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well, i would like to start. our conversation on the analysis of the so-called dagestan pogrom, which on the one hand did not materialize, on the other hand we saw how they tried to organize the picture needed by the kremlin, on the other hand there is a feeling. that the kremlin ceases to control the perimeter, in particular, this concerns dagestan itself, and in fact , i would like to ask you, who can be behind the attempt to organize all those things, as for these events themselves, look, they started, maybe how it is it often happens, with ethisoda from some, from some post in the telegram, from some call, accidental, as a reason , you understand, not a reason, well, let’s say, yes, the morning of dagestan turned to the salafis, the salafi youth... which is abundantly represented mainly among avartsev, as far as i understand, in dagestan and makhachkala, to be supported by active actions, direct actions, actions , that's what it means, the clearing of jews, well , a certain amount could be ignited to run, but here's another question, after all, they

were running all day, where - sometimes in hosoverte to a hotel, here to the airport, there even a rally the next morning they suggested that they would announce, that means they would go, check the documents, break into the airport, then take out the lyktechnik, break down the door, and no significant force could be seen that would prevent this there, not even the russian guard, which is growing, that is, from under the ground, there's the fsb, there's something else, there's nothing like that, they run around the airport, the airstrip all day and evening, they ask questions, that is, they search for jews and so on, in my opinion they didn't find anyone, as far as i understand, and literally that's it probably, at night , the next morning, only some appear the forces that were there, they didn't go anywhere , they didn't land, they were stationed there directly, in dagestan there are forces of the roshvardiya and the army, and there are only those who are not in the north caucasus. can it be said that this situation itself was provoked as a reason, i emphasize, we will say the reasons, but by the fsb themselves or by the curators there, who

somehow act through their structures, because this is the morning of dagestan, as they say, there - they are in turkey there are several people sitting, true, false, well, in general, some such dark history, do they act, do they interact with any of these people? yes, from dagestan itself or from the kremlin or from lubyanka, i don’t know, but i can allow such a thing, why not, because they provoked this audience, they ran away, they were looking for something in the fans there, but they were looking for propellers in these turbines, now about the reasons, well, first of all, unequivocally , the completely anti-semitic atmosphere in the kremlin, and it has already completely ceased, the kremlin will portray something, yes, the power structures, they were such before, anti-semitic, such absolutely anti-jewish, anti-israeli. whatever, any epithet is suitable, now even these have ceased to portray there any kind of tolerance, tolerance, any kind of reciprocity , that we are on the subject with others, openly in direct text, at the level of the former, well-known soviet

state of anti-semitism, the positions are clearly indicated: jews, they are so-so, they are unreliable, citizens of the jewish nationality, which means that these are some special people who should be labeled as such, because they are not at all... clear what and how, and the kremlin took this position by no means by chance, supporting hamas, namely hamas, by no means by chance , listen, they are their allies, they are their allies for many, many years, already under putin, i’m not even talking about the previous years, well hamas itself appeared there, after all, not so long ago in relation to op or fatah, of course, they are their direct allies, they support them in everything, these support these, those supported those, sorry, hamas came out in february, at the end of february, when the operation began last year, the so-called special military operation in relation to ukraine with the full support of moscow, against ukraine, made anti-ukrainian statements, yes, well, we are not talking about iran, everything is clear with iran in general, it is asked why ukraine itself should not have supported israel in response,

that is where the logic is, not to support what if hamas, yes, ukraine should have been, that is, how it understands everything, the statements that sound, well, look, at this meeting, putin says, my fists clench when he sees those dying there in the gas, peaceful population and that you have them shrink, where do you shrink? with whom do you want to fight with israel or in the face of israel with the western world? no, well, if we have already talked, you know, about the suffering of the arab population, it is worth mentioning the bombardment with phosphorus bombs of the same aleppo and not only aleppo, you understand, or what the wagnerites created there, yes, yes, yes, and i want you, sledgehammers , they killed, they killed with sledgehammers on camera, they killed, therefore, the participants of this syrian... and there they used chemical weapons, moscow used chemical weapons, tried it in syria, and something

that no one had anything to shrink from, and the victims were completely incomparable . so on, but they have reached the goal, the islamic world as a whole, if we are talking about it as a whole, yes it is on the side of hamas, on the side of the palestinians, if hamas is the frontman of this topic, when they talk about the freedom of palestine, the safe of gaza, that’s all about hamas, it's not just about there palestine, you know, palestinians live in different places, somewhere on the west bank. no one throws bombs, do you agree that they throw bombs, kill children or someone, what is there? no, it is fighting with hamas, yes, the fact that the peaceful population is dying is completely and entirely the responsibility of hamas, if there was no action on october 7, it was not only the murder of 1,400 israeli citizens in the south of israel, but also the taking of 220 hostages, well , now they say 220, then 240, it is not known exactly how many died, but forgive me, the fullness... responsibility for everyone

the consequences lie with hamas, because it was always possible for you, for them, to be more precise , during the time that passed on october 7, to return the hostages, lay down their arms, stop the resistance, and so on, and this was offered to them, they thought that they could to play like this with the population of palestine in the gas sector, exposed it to the most terrible threat of danger, death as a result of the response actions, this is a question of ensuring security, this is a question of punishing the guilty. and israel will not refuse this, yes , the ground operation is going on, it is going like this in phases, sectorally, it goes on, not so to say, on a large scale, but nevertheless, it continues , and from this point of view, of course, moscow has taken an unequivocal position, anti-israel, pro-khamasov, and is doing everything to ensure that israel loses first in the information war, it already lost, that's a fact, and then lost a purely military situation, so to speak, stopped the actions. look, mark, why did the kremlin, so to speak

, fit in so actively against israel? we remember how putin was riding on bibi's shoulders netanyahu, we understand that they had longer ties, but no, it was at this moment that putin decided to get involved actively, and we understand that hamas did not come up with this attack on israel by itself, that is, we understand that it is iran, and someone else advised him, well, there is an assumption that the hint came specifically from the kremlin. it is not excluded, because first of all, the western press writes that they have been preparing this operation for 2 years, 2 years, what are they for 2 years? or in peter, they were at the summit, it says something, they are constantly traveling, they are constantly consulting, they are meeting not only with lavrov, but with the leadership of the special services, with the army, and so on, they have the closest relationship, as for why exactly now she took an anti-israel position moscow could have maneuvered, but somehow, well, the events of october 7, they said, let's go to

peace, let's go, no, i think they are interested in dragging out this whole story in order to shift attention from ukraine to the neighboring east, if israel quickly it will win, it will win, hamas will solve the issue, it will deal with iran, but this is moscow, they will not be happy, because they will have problems of the second nature, there, well , iran is supplying soldiers, it is supplying shells, there are many things, if military objects are bombed , there are nuclear infrastructures, there are some centrifuges, and so on, then these factories may also suffer, for sure , and this will help ukraine a lot, but ukrainians will stop being killed by these missiles, as for hamas itself, you know, hamas is uncontrollable, let's put it this way , significant by the forces of the arab east, a force that can provoke, look, it would seem that such a large-scale and terrorist action, but it was just a momentary one , carried out in a flash on the territory of israel, and the consequences all over the world, global consequences, today he looked at angelina. even supported palestine, yes, well, in the same context, yes, that is, it says

something, that they know where to press, they know where to hit, they understand how it works, in moscow they understand exactly how it is работает, jewish question, middle eastern question, palestinian, israeli question - this is the most painful, the most sensitive question, they pressed there in order , i repeat, to solve their problems in eastern europe, to solve their problem with the war, which they are not winning, at least to move peace towards something. because listen, let's agree on ukraine , let's sit down, leave us the occupied territories, let's demilitarize ukraine there, let's, well, here's the whole set, and then we'll pile on all together and let's decide the middle east problem, we, he says, offer it, we are members of the middle east four, says moscow, we are ready to take hostages, we are ready, therefore , to assist in the creation of a palestinian state, to participate in negotiations between the parties, we have contact both there and there, well, that’s it it sounds straight and open, and we say, there is a peace plan. that's why it's being done, and it's not profitable for moscow for

israel to crack down on hamas quickly now, it's very unprofitable, because the problems are going away and everything will be switched to ukraine, and with great bitterness and ferocity, because israel will certainly support ukraine more decisively now, there is still an extremely characteristic moment, some internal russian poll conducted by levvada center, they are starting to measure the mood, i don’t know if such numbers helped them to form, so to speak, or this is true... it is possible that there is such a statistic, such a reflection of moods, that two-thirds, about 70% of russians would like it, they would accept with gratitude, if putin would stop it. aggression against ukraine, but at a characteristic moment that less than a third of those people would like putin to return our illegally and temporarily occupied territories, but we understand that all these dances , starting from dagestan, ending with those and all the polls, this is rather all about the

events in six months, when putin will re-appoint himself, well look, we really can't judge the credibility. we cannot judge all these figures, that is, they may be partially reliable, they may not be, they reveal a trend, after all, the war has been going on for more than twenty months, already twenty one a month, it's very much, it's a lot for ukraine, it's a lot, for the world , it's a lot, but after all, it's a lot for the russians, it's also a lot, because every day the number of dead increases, and the costs of this war, in the economy, in in the social sphere, yes, in many ways, but it is not that they are so happy, russian citizens, yes, they can... certainly feel some desire that it would all be over sooner, they can feel it, there is no doubt about it, another question, you understand, after all, we are dealing with a totalitarian system, it already is developed as a totalitarian system, there are separate elements, some clusters, that remain from the previous authoritarian period, so to speak

, they somehow exist, like lacunae, and there is simply an opportunity to go to turkey for a vacation, you know this, from the times so to speak , even authoritarian putin's. of the previous two decades, and whether or not in internet access, it’s even so to say , it’s also been reduced from there, but still it’s from the previous life, the question is how much putin should be listened to in connection with the elections and it is necessary to listen to this kind of mood? i am not at all convinced that this can shake his decision to continue doing what he was doing, you know, sociology is interesting, of course, you can maneuver under it, change some of your actions, but rely on public opinion, which... changeable, putin definitely does not gather, the elections will be held very casually, there are no elections, that is, they will announce this figure, but they will also measure whether it will not cause a riot, a response, that is exactly why there are discussions about the new mobilization, whether it will be conducted or not, to elections, after elections, and so on , of course, this is not only a question of mobilization, this question

is more likely connected with public sentiments, which should not contrast too strongly with the actions of the authorities, too strongly. i think that within the permissible range, moscow maneuvers well between its interests, it still realizes them, at least for war, at least in elections, and actually with the dissatisfaction of citizens, yes, that is, they generally quite understand the border that they do not need to cross , that's why i personally think that these sociological polls are more likely evidence of war weariness in russia itself, than of any readiness, the desire of the population to change... their fate, but these plans are not correct in the main, in general, will force putin to give up the war, only a military defeat can , a truly military defeat, and this is a combination of all efforts, this is a military defeat itself, and there is desertion from the front, and pressure from the west is more decisive with the provision of a type of weaponry that

will decisively change the balance, and so on, and so on далее и так далее, that's it, that's the mood of the people, that's what they will demand, let's stop fighting, we don't want to mobilize, no, i won't look at it, well, i can't help but remember, so to speak, the great prophet who hides putin has been around for more than a year, the legendary professor solovya, i don’t know, you already know who to believe, well, at the moment we see, if not a hologram, then at least the unchanged putin policy, if putin really would be lying in a refrigerator, you know, in white slippers, well, clearly something has already started a different process, that is, we understand that irreconcilable clans would start fighting among themselves, but the key story is that if valery solovei is sincerely mistaken, then who can actively benefit from this case, and why is it so actively bubbling? everyone wants him to die, i want, you want, everyone wants him to die, so, you know, imagine, and they tell you, but he died, and

people, oh, how, how, how warm it was, in the stomach , everything, that is, it is from a huge desire, you see, and people want to discuss it, because it... creates such some kind of, you know, somewhat playful, somewhat cheerful, but joyful internal mood , that they finally got rid of this cannibal, that's why people are very fond of it, i think valery dmitrievich exploits it, that's the feeling i have, he knows this and he consciously parasitizes on it, this is what i can explain, now that concerns putin in the refrigerator, but by the way, i already said that this is an excellent meme, putin in the refrigerator, so here he is, it sounds very good, putin in refrigerator, exactly the name it is good for streaming, yes, it means, eh, i think that of course there is a benefit to the buyer from this story, you know, the kremlin rushed to comment on it in the face of peskov, of course, but i could not comment, say, listen, there like they comment, does that mean? that it might even be profitable for him, that he is buried all the time, buried, put in a grave, put in a grave, then he has cancer, then another, but he outlives everyone, that is, putin is not killed, that is

, forget about it, that putin can be destroyed, and even prigozhin went against him, and where is he? your handsome man, you see, that means it can be for the kremlin, this is purely netshanskoye , you know, like zaratur, so zaratur said, what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger, and, accordingly, putin’s rumors about his death make us stronger, do not kill the ego. and maybe the kremlin, maybe, even out of pure trolling, some of these are considered , he is also ready to eat on this topic, show off, somehow, you know, show, well, sit at the meeting and so on, that you are buried early, you know , like rabinovych, don't wait until anecdote, so here, they are ready to satirize it a little, but they knew, with distant goals, that putin was moving towards the elections on his own. in the second year, he is quite healthy, vigorous and so on, so he is pursuing some kind of goal

, they say he has cured cancer, so what, he is cured, let’s say, if this is really true, because he is a man, who is ill, not even fatally, but with a serious disease, he is just like putin, and does not appear, does not look, does not conduct business, even because we you see, you see, i wanted to ask you, mark, about the american election cycle, we understand that there are ongoing debates, debates are unpleasant, well , we understand for what purpose, on the one hand, the stabilization of the geopolitical situation, on the other hand, we understand that powerful attacks on biden are currently ongoing, because the democrats would rather nominate him, perhaps specifically him, and accordingly, an article by simon shuster appeared, you see , well, it was done by the shusters in ukraine, well, but in any case, a person who had some kind of access to some ...' and the article quite unpleasant, although it is quite symptomatic, because it caused a tremendous resonance in various serious

political circles, i.e. the article is more serious than the introduction, for example, of the svr general about the dead putin in the refrigerator, well, frankly, such an article could have appeared an hour ago, well, a year and a half ago or so, well, during the war, it seems to me, no, it seems to me, no, still somehow in general, ostracism, at least, they are expressed so softly, here we would see the order, see would interests of the kremlin, but now after some time, no one accuses him of the fact that this is some kind of commitment he has, that he went, well, somehow he found out everything , he gave such material, like an interview, and zelensky accepted him and so on, here he is wrote such a thing, yes, you know, it is definitely... regardless of the fact that in my opinion the article is bad, in my personal opinion, yes, because it is so poisonous , it does not have the degree of

objectivity that i would like to see, but it doesn't matter, there are no surnames, you see, it refers to some ephemeral ones advisers, there are no specific names, somehow it’s like that too, well, yes, like the president’s entourage, really, that’s who it is, what such things, who says such things, well, okay, fine, i think that this is herself the atmosphere is exactly like that now. which we said above, that after all, the war has been going on for too long, the public opinion is really exhausted, and the most important thing is that it affects everything inside america, precisely inside american problems, i mean the elections, this aggravation is precisely connected with the elections, because president biden is definitely now yielding to this narrative that arose there, well, he is somehow personified with trump, the republicans, that is where the sin lies, now they are gaining points, they are not losing. point, because the middle east crisis has aggravated this whole situation, let's help israel first, then ukraine

, this is a priority and so on, in this situation, of course, of course, and biden and his administration look quite faded, because it turns out, they did not complete the problem of one in ukraine, their k etomu they called, they talked there since december of last year, well, with a successful operation an hour ago, in september, kharkov... what is needed decisively, now, using the moment, giving all the necessary weapons, to achieve more decisive success, yes, to reach the sea, something else, in the course of the counteroffensive and so on, and there was a pause, time, now he is being pecked for it in america, on the one hand, on the other they say, well, if you missed everything like that, then god be with him , let's leave it all, we won't be to such a degree to get involved depends on the situation in ukraine, it is more aimed at not at ukraine , not... at zelsky, or at the public opinion in ukraine, but above all at america, it seems to me that this is to a large extent, precisely

related to this, that's for sure it will continue until november, until elections will be held in january, when the inauguration of a new or former president of the united states will take place, this situation will only get worse, i would like to remind you simply that it will be next year, yes, because maybe someone will confuse, of course, of course, in on the 24th, in november, the elections will be held, and if, so to speak, the opponent of the current president, biden, will win, then in january, somewhere around january 20, 2025, he will take the office of the first person, that is, the president of the united states, but before that. .. there is also a lot of things that can happen, a lot of things, it is important to state that if israel succeeds in the foreseeable future, but it is a month, a month and a half, there, i am talking about such a time frame, it will deal with hamas and even prepare the ground for strikes on iran , and i think that it is inevitable, here is my opinion that it is already now inevitable, together with the usa, separately, but nevertheless, it will aggravate, worsen the situation for moscow, you know, delaying is beneficial

now and then and there, so that these conflicts continue, continue, this is what happened, and in the end, moscow also played on this biden 's opponent in the elections within the united states was playing on these sentiments . well, to achieve an obvious result, to cause some inspiration, that everything was not in vain, that we still achieved it and so on, but the hostage indicated that it was necessary for this. yes, he said about it, that is, to reproach that you did not achieve what you had hoped for, he says, we only moved 17 km, we need to go 30 a day, well, you understand how that would be all well and good, but even now there are still no planes and an insufficient number of missiles, a long range and many other things, and even current ammunition, there are problems with them in ukraine, there are problems with them, so america really needs to be determined, because

bayna requires determination, if you fight, then fight to the full without any restrictions... give weapons, after all, not to american soldiers are dying, solve this problem that is in israel, that is in ukraine in part of its own powers, part of its competences, assistance, first of all military, which, well, in israel the situation is a little different, of course, the task of america there is to prevent the escalation of a regional war in a regional war, if not a global one, yes, then in ukraine the task is more local - it is simply to give ukraine the opportunity to simply reach the sea and cut off the eastern and southern fronts, now it is not even possible, because taking it in one day will liberate the entire territory ukraine, you have 19-20% of the occupied territory of ukraine, just let the fronts be cut , for this of course additional forces, funds , resources and so on are needed, and then they will figure it out, corruption means how well or poorly managed, that’s later, then yes please just like in israel, now no one,

no one comes to the head to immediately remove natinyaha, yes, no. my friend, it’s clear, we’ll figure it out with you, come on, solve a question for us with gazai, and then we’ll figure it out with you, that’s how questions are solved, thank you very much, mark, for this extremely interesting conversation, i want to remind our viewers that now in mark fegin, a member of the russian opposition, a former member of the state duma, worked on espresso. the time of our program has run out, stay with the tv channel, my colleagues will inform you about all the most important events this day, take care of yourself and your loved ones, see you on the air. i flew, flew, and the cough stopped me, cough is a symptom of a respiratory disease, so we treat it with respiratory, we do inhalation , lordegial is an inhalation agent for cough, lordegial is a direct way to expel phlegm, the world

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