tv [untitled] November 6, 2023 8:00pm-8:31pm EET
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[000:00:00;00] it was very beautiful, it was obvious, the air temperature will be around +14° tomorrow in the capital, on wednesday please prepare umbrellas, suitable shoes, a cyclone will come to us with rains and on wednesday it will be noticeably colder, but i wanted to say, but it is not certain, well, that is, not much , noticeably colder, but not to the minuses, not to zero, not to frost, this is the nearest synoptic perspective in ukraine. goodbye to you until tomorrow and further serhiy rudenko, verdict program, let's watch together, good evening, we are from ukraine, glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good
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health, starting today and whatever. on weekdays, the verdict will be released in a two-hour format, we work from 20:00 to 22:00 , we will have two parts and five guests, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, the economy, the elections, everything that concerns you, friends , is interested, today in the program, the tragic line-up, the missile attack on the 128th brigade, who should be responsible, the split in the ukrainian leadership, is there a conflict between president zelskyi and the head of the zsu zaluzhny? elections during war, how and when can ukraine vote? we will talk about this and other things over the course of the next hour with our two guests, people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service of ukraine valentyn nalyvaichenko and politician and diplomat roman bezsmertny. however
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, before starting our big one. conversations , i suggest you watch the video of the consequences of the attack of the russian occupiers on odesa this night, they struck a powerful blow on odesa, according to preliminary information, the russians used onyx, iskander mm, and shahedi missiles. air defense forces shot down 15 drones, the defense forces of southern ukraine inform. as a result of the night attack of the russian federation , the odesa national museum of art was damaged, which somehow... turns 124 years old, are we looking at the consequences of the attacks of the russian occupiers? two windows, now they have completely poured out, this is with
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nothing stops it. the ceilings and walls of several halls from the front part of the museum did not withstand, the apartment is not available, we are expecting a delegation in the coming days unesco for recording the details of the crime. friends, for those who are watching us live on youtube right now, please like this video and also subscribe to our
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youtube page, also you can... take part in today's phone survey, today we ask you about is it necessary to hold presidential elections of ukraine in 2024, so for those who say yes, phone 0800-211-381, no, 0800-21382. please call these numbers, all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will summarize of this vote, and for those who are currently watching us live on youtube, you can leave your comments about the 2024 election in the comments below this video. we are in contact with people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service of ukraine valentyn nalyvaichenko. mr. valentin, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. let's go mr. valentin, let's start with the tragic story
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of the 128th separate mountain assault brigade. unfortunately, unfortunately, 19 people died, more than 50 people were injured, this happened as a result lining up the brigade in zaporizhzhia. direction, the sbi wrote today that it had begun to investigate the circumstances of the death of servicemen, and they wrote that the commander of the 128th brigade also testified in this case, from unofficial sources it is known that the commander himself arrived at the line-up two minutes after the attack of the russians, that is, these servicemen were waiting for the brigade commander, as a result of... the negligence of the commander, unfortunately, people died, people were injured, what do you say about this situation, especially in the conditions of war, well, losing people like that it seems that this is simply not negligence
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, it is simply a crime against the people who are currently at the front, i will start with the main thing with my sincere condolences to all the families who lost the most dear ones, did we lose all of ukraine the most? mourning has been declared in transcarpathia, i think that all of ukraine should have been declared mourning, because these were our defenders and the best 128th brigades, since they were shocked to be awarded, you need to understand the conditions under which it happened. next, our servicemen are the best of the 128th brigade did not die as a result, during the firing, as a result of terror. attack of the russian federation, in the terrorist, terrorist missile, this time, they used iskander, we are on our land, and our guys are defenders in the zaporizhzhia region, even from zakarpattia, but they were on their native land and
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protected us, just as during , and now as a result of the terrorist missile attack of russia, the local residents of the zaporizhzhia region, this settlement where this terrorist attack took place, were also affected, so it is necessary to clearly understand and call it a terrorist attack. second, as for who to blame, i would, you know, act in a completely different way, it is not necessary to blame now, but to understand , most importantly, why until now at the front, in the front-line and not only districts and regions, our military is being used, diverting from combat work, for all kinds of solemn, powerful, political and other events. well, the ban has been in effect for a long time and it must be strictly enforced, it was established by the general staff so that no politicians would go to the front lines, no, you know, officials there would do pr and take selfies and ask
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soldiers, shoot a couple of times, i need it for my position, this must be stopped harshly, especially since this is not the first unfortunate case when we lose our best defenders as a result of some sort of line-up or from the side. remember what happened in vinnytsia, do you remember when the officers gathered for a meeting, they were covered right in the meeting place in the center of vinnytsia, this also happened because it was in a civilian place, because there was a leak of information, and we lost ukraine lost defenders, and it is very important that i wanted serhiy, preparing for to say on the air what to do next, apart from strict order and stop shocking, meetings and so on, at the front and in the front-line areas. the time has come to transfer military counterintelligence to the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine. i know what i'm talking about, military counterintelligence is precisely those who are supposed to protect our
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defenders from hints, from traitors, from spies and so on, because i am convinced that this raketostan terrorist attack on our military, during formation, was a consequence , or with the reference was used first, there was someone from or from the locals or from others, who directed this missile strike, who reported, and so on, and so on, we need to secure our defenders, and it's high time to hand over ... military counterintelligence professionals who know how to work so that nothing is heard on the air too much, how to work so that guidance does not take place, that there are no enemy agencies around that would guide or , you know, inform the aggressor and so on and so forth, this is a step that needs to be taken, and even more so in times of war, and thirdly, i believe that the general staff and the leadership of the general headquarters, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces must make strict conclusions and prohibitions for all
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brigades so that our military personnel are not distracted, i am already talking about this, to any formations, whether they are powerful, whether political, or any other, or combat work, or rest, sanitation, hygiene, our soldiers, give them peace, give them the opportunity to recover, after all, as i already said, bring sanitary and other hygienic conditions under the front line, this is much more important to the soldiers now. than any public or pir events. well , volodymyr zelenskyi has already instructed the minister of defense rustem umerov so that he would find out all the circumstances of what happened in the zaporizhzhia region, let's listen to what zelensky said. this is a tragedy that could have been avoided. minister of defense umirov reported to me about the actions taken to find out all the circumstances of what happened. who specifically and what
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orders gave, criminal proceedings were also registered due to the fact of the tragedy, the relevant investigation is ongoing, the main thing is to establish the full truth about what happened and prevent such a thing from happening again, everyone a military man in the combat zone, in the enemy's range and air reconnaissance zone knows how to behave in the open sky, how to take care of... safety, now the investigation should give honest answers to the relatives of the fallen soldiers and the society, how the tragedy happened, whether the orders were wrong. mr. valentin, the commander-in-chief, supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine , says that the full truth about what happened is needed. so, during the last few weeks, we see discussions about what is happening in ukraine on the front line, what
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what is happening in our country with a counteroffensive, that we have with the prospect of an offensive, well, that is, there is a lot of different information, and a lot of new information for ukrainians is coming, in particular from the western mass media, so where is the border, where ukrainians should know the full truth about war and about what is happening, as it is in the case of the 128th brigade, and where it is, zura is a military secret, and where should i, maybe not tell the whole truth to the ukrainians? the criterion is very important and it is one, the life of the defender, everyone, before to say something, not to say, to do or not to do, one must think about the most important thing, the life and safety of the defender, and at the front, including the unit, the brigade, the whole front, and so on, and my answer, i insist, is that no one
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else better not to do this than professional commanders, commanders-in-chief and the general staff, and by the way, by the law on martial law, why are we declaring it, we give all power, including the right of censorship, to the general staff of ukraine, i believe that not you don't have to invent anything, including and the western press and everything else, it is possible and necessary to contact the official armed forces, the general staff, with those sources who have true information, and in the case , even if there is a need to make this or that material, the plot, then the consent and support must to be provided by the armed forces of ukraine, directly to those combat units that have been allowed, for example, by general zaluzhnyi, that they can declassify what operation they have completed, in what condition and what combat tasks they are performing as of now or yesterday, but about military plans, about what is being planned, where they are being moved to... what weapons will be used and at what
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enemy object, it is definitely a secret. here is the second criterion. that is, what has been done, by the decision of the general staff only, it is possible and necessary to make public what our military, our national defenders are planning, or will do, is definitely a military secret. i emphasize again and again, that is why i believe that the military horse should be provided to them, and thereby strengthen the security of our military and technical personnel. means of protection and others that we have international partners are received by our armed forces, but i believe that it is not enough, more is needed. mr. valentin, against the background of the state of war, talks about the possible holding of elections, in particular the presidential one, in the spring of 2024 have been renewed again. at first, dmytro kuleba, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, suggested in an interview with skynews that such elections could be held, but so far the authorities do not understand how to conduct them, and literally yesterday on the air of our
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tv channel oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, referring to his sources, said that such elections may take place, the president of ukraine is meant on march 31, 2024, i suggest you listen to what honcharenko said. according to my data, zelenskyi made this decision and gave the appropriate assignment to the president 's office to prepare the presidential election for march 31 of next year, this is like a constitutional deadline, the last sunday of march , the election, to explain to the public that they are going, that's the time. then this is the demand of the western partners that, they say, if these elections are not held, then zelensky loses legitimacy, and especially against the background of the fact that putin will hold elections in march, so when goncharedko talks about the loss of legitimacy, he is referring to the 103rd constitution of ukraine, according to which elections should be held in
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the fifth year of the presidency, well, the term of office of the president, respectively, but no later than the last sunday in march. well, it actually happened on march 31, 2024 , what do you say, do you know whether zelenskyi's team is going to hold elections or not, and if so, in what way? we, like the whole country, heard only two or three public statements, one of them, you mentioned one about one of them, and not even ukrainian zmi, but skynews, british. telekanan suputnikov, that the presidential elections will continue according to the text, and i will say it like you and i have in our native ukraine, what elections, we have a war, who misleads the president and who doubts his legitimacy, this not the parliament, we in
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the parliament have no doubts about the legitimacy of the supreme commander, about the legitimacy of the fact that we are defending ourselves in the country as well... not the state and there is no doubt that now to start any political campaign, election and so on, this is betrayal of our defenders on the front line, this is to hit them in the back, you know, and here we have an election, political or other campaign, in whose head is it, so be it in front of the people of ukraine and will tell about his so-called plans, if there is nothing else to do during the war than to plan some political... and you know who wants to return to the president's chair, for whose sake the presidential elections will be held, for the sake of the one who fled abroad , one of the former advisers of the same office of the president, also announces himself a candidate for the presidency, and who is interested, especially from the fighters who are now on the front line, thirdly, and this is very serious, i work in
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the committee on european integration of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, i have not heard from any of our european partners, . requests, questions about presidential or other elections during the war, during martial law, once, secondly, precisely the opposite, that during the actions of martial law and russian aggression, we just mobilized everything possible in the body and in the parliament, for in order to from the status of the country as a candidate for membership of the eu to start negotiations on membership in the european union, and even during these negotiations, no one from ukraine has enough sense, but even international partners do not mention any elections, because everyone understands that under during the war, elections are impossible, period, but mr. valentin, i am watching how the presidential team is swinging this topic, because i
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remember how ruslan stefanchuk raised this topic and said that we are consulting about the elections that may be under war time, then kuleba, that is, all the same... these are some test layers that the presidential team is throwing, although the same representative of the president in the verkhovna rada, fedir venislavskyi, said that presidential elections during the war would contradict the constitutional principles of electoral law and, most importantly, the results, if such elections, god forbid, will, they will , contradict or question the legitimacy of the president hypothetically elected during martial law, and why, if... there is such a wide discussion in the presidential team, why should the president himself not dots over her and say, listen, people, now there is a war, what elections, let's wait for the victories. because a lot of people have gone abroad , they will not be able to vote, a lot of people are on the front line now, they will not be able not
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to run for office, and they will not be able to vote either, because any gathering, as we see from the same story 128- brigade can end simply tragically for people who gather in one place, why is there no such clear from the office of the president, if there is this discussion, because the office of the president is not an authority, it auxiliary... so these are their questions, what they will discuss there and everything else , in the parliament we do not hear them, we do not see them, and even more so such conversations about some doubts about the president, about the fact that some elections should be held during the war , because in the parliament, well, you ask me, i and we clearly know the legislation, we adopt it ourselves, moreover, i emphasize that we declare martial law for a reason, we give all, have given all power to the supreme commander. full stop, who
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will be re-elected, let those who are with this idea they are playing, they go out to the people of ukraine and explain, but you, mr. serhiy, touched on much more serious aspects, that in fact , any election, it is not only those who think, elect me to power, it is also a question of the participation of the right people in the elections , our defenders, i am convinced that their participation in the elections is the first and most important thing for ... after the victory, they must determine after the victory over the enemy what the country will be, who will be in power in ukraine, and that ukraine will never again there will be no corruption, that's the whole answer, give the opportunity to the defenders first of all to take full participation in the elections, which will not be the only ones after the end of the war, there will be elections for the president and the parliament and local authorities, and this is actually very important, and now about what i wanted to say, for those who may be watching us today,
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i think that those who throw out the idea of possible elections, any, during the martial law, on the territory of ukraine, are trying, whether they want it or not, to justify the elections that the aggressor held under the muzzles of machine guns and automatic machines for temporarily occupied territories of ukraine. i advise you to think seriously and seriously, you know, we should all not accept these measures so that, you know , in no, in no situation does it turn out that the aggressor, or in the country of the aggressor, will say, well, you see, ukraine is also in action of the military, i absolutely agree with you, mr. valentin, urgent news arrived, just outside kiev, assistant zaluzh was killed by a grenade explosion near kiev. we are talking about the fact that this tragedy occurred as a result of careless handling of a grenade in the village of chayki in
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the kyiv region, as reported by the spokeswoman of the ministry of internal affairs maryana reva and the sources of ukrainian truth and the sources of espresso, because we also received this information, in the village of chayki at home due to careless handling of ammunition , a 39-year-old military man died, his 13-year-old... was seriously injured, he was hospitalized, and according to sources, ukrainian pravda, the deceased is gennady chestyakov, he worked as an assistant to commander-in-chief valery zaluzhny, during the inspection of the apartment, according to the publication, the police found five more whole grenades, well, this is the story of what really happened there, i think the law enforcement officers will already find out, there will be more information, especially since we are talking about the assistant... of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, but we, mr. valentin, let's remember how the president's office
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reacted to the article by the industrious veze economist, because foreign mass media are already writing about it, about the fact that the deputy head of the office of the president of ukraine began to comment on what valery zaluzhnyi said in his column for the british publication, and the new york times writes about what military and political the leadership of ukraine has opposite views on the course of the war and its future prospects, that is, what happens in the ukrainian public space, it reaches the western public space and intersects with the western public space. in your opinion, the absentee discussions that we are currently seeing between zelenskyi, between zaluzhny, between zelskyi's entourage or the team, let's say the president's office and zaluzhny's team, how do they perceive... on how we are received in the world, especially in the context of the current stage
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of the war. let's sort through those and what to us interferes with a correct assessment, these are people who have no right to comment on the war, and even more so the commander-in-chief of the industrious general, no matter who they are called and in whatever offices they work as advisers, we remove this and what is really important remains, the important thing is that the commander-in-chief is a diligent general in the article, in the material for the economist , there is both a column and an article, he laid out important positions for the defense of ukraine, there are several of them, well, let's not take away the air, i already think that the majority of ukrainians have read the translation as well. articles and columns, most importantly, international partners, i will tell you about the american partners with whom i personally communicated and communicate, the most important thing they said is that it became clear to both republicans and democrats that in this situation it is really necessary for ukraine and the armed forces to
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so that ukraine does not freeze the conflict, so that russia does not take advantage of this situation, in order to... pressure ukraine into negotiations and thereby influence the reduction, possible reduction of american or other international aid. article by zaluzhny and the position of commander-in-chief is important to the professional, american and european militaries who are the real advisers to their presidents and governments and parliaments. and, we know that general zaluzhiny communicates directly with the chiefs of staff, with the heads of military units, from... western countries, countries of the anti -putin coalition, they are all nato member countries, and for them, for the military, this was additional arguments for to talk with the leaders of their countries about what and how ukraine should be further helped, especially armed forces of ukraine, and lastly, my conclusion is that the next ramshtein, the defense assistance group of ukraine, the next
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meeting will be precisely focused on that . to speed up the transfer of combat aircraft to ukraine, we are talking about the f-16 and zaluzhny said this, and to speed up the transfer of additional radio-electronic and other complexes to ukraine to suppress the suppression of oppression, shaheeds and other drones, barrage munitions, with which russia continues to terrorize, and now we began broadcasting to odessa and all of ukraine. applying such dangerous weapons, for which we still do not have enough means of radio-electronic warfare, as well as many other issues, which , by the way, general zaluzhnyi did not mention in the article, but they are discussed and proven by our general staff with international partners, i say first of all about the american partners, and the last, i will summarize, for the supreme commander,
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for the president of ukraine, zelsky, i don't really see a big intrigue either. he is the supreme commander and controls all the commanders of all branches of the army. and the rate works, and we know that rhythmically, and the military cabinet, and the national security and defense council, all the tools are in the hands of the educational commander, so i would not intensify or look for intrigue, intrigue where there is none. thank you, mr. valentin, it was valentin nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service of ukraine. friends, live on the channel and also on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube, please like this video, subscribe to our page, and also take part in our survey, on youtube we conduct a survey and on television, whether it is necessary to hold elections for the president of ukraine in 2024, yes, no, those who are currently watching us
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on the espresso tv channel, please take part in our voice... and we have two options, if you think that it is necessary to hold elections for the president of ukraine on the 24th, please vote by phone 0800, 211-381, no, 0800, 211-382, you can now see on screen that 93% of those who took part in our survey on the espresso tv channel did not they want... in 2024, the presidential elections of ukraine were held, well, because of the war, of course , so continue to vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, then we will be in touch with roman bezsmertny, politician, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the republic of belarus in 2010-11. mr. roman, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air.
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