[000:00:00;00] because, well, putin will shoot at the polling stations, the military will not be able to vote, er, the ukrainian temporarily stationed persons will not be able to vote, obviously the legitimacy of such elections will be under great question, that is why this statement of the minister of foreign affairs caused such indignation, it was not some additional rumors and the president's position now, it can only be welcomed, it is absolutely correct and fair and it is good that he expressed himself clearly. mr. oleksiyu, if with the elections. of the verkhovna rada is more or less clear, because the powers of the people's deputies of the next convocation come into effect when the powers of the current people 's deputies cease, and that is, until a new verkhovna rada is elected, the verkhovna rada will be in the legitimate field. when it comes to the president, according to article 103, regular elections of the president of ukraine are held on the last sunday of march of the fifth year

of the president of ukraine's term of office. well, that is , on march 31, 2024, the powers of the president of ukraine zelensky will expire, and what to do in the event of elections, or if these elections fall under martial law, the constitution does not say anything, how to be in this situation, will the legitimacy of the president be confirmed in this case? thank you, well, first of all, let's find out, we are talking about national interests, national security, the fate of the country in general , what we are talking about, there are necessary changes to the law, if, if necessary, then probably make them, then let's leave from what life needs, what ukrainians, citizens of ukraine really expect, the security factor of the world and so on, i absolutely support the article collection

83 of the constitution, it unequivocally defines the position regarding the inadmissibility of elections of deputies of the verkhovna rada. that is, this issue has been removed from the agenda altogether, no one will make changes to the constitution now, why is there a buzz around this, now regarding the president, there are relevant regulations, laws on the implementation of martial law, it is expressly forbidden to hold elections under the president during martial law, and i think it's logical, now it's expediency, yes, well, tell me, please, is mr. mykola correct, princely roman says, ukrainians are categorically against, suppress, you understand, the logic is that security cannot be ensured, it is impossible, campaigning is impossible, elections in themselves are unimportant, they have counted the money, for this we need

billions of hryvnias, which are not in the budget today, because we do not have enough for drones, i'm sorry , you see, and here to speculate on the fact that some foreigners demand it from whom is a banal manipulation, you see, well, in this situation we have to proceed from the interests of the country, so i don’t even see any expediency in this, and the law for today is directly also forbids today's speech of the president, well, let's say so, due to the coincidence of circumstances, such as he is in my opinion, he must put an end to this issue, for the work, for the work, thank you, mr. oleksiy, mykola knyazhytskyi wanted to add something, i understand, to deny the thesis about the fact that the powers, well, the legitimacy of the president will be questioned, yes, because according to the current legislation, the president also fulfills his duties until a new one is elected, and we had an example with leonid kuchma, whose

term has already ended, but during the elections , between and where viktor yushchenko and viktor yanukovych competed with each other, as we all remember, the orange revolution, leonid kuchma performed his duties longer, it seems for three months, that is, this is already a practice that shows that and for by law and in practice, the president can fulfill his duties, if it is impossible to hold elections, then they cannot be held, colleagues said about this, but the absence of elections for both the verkhovna rada and the president... does not make it impossible to create a government of national unity, which is what we are talking about now a discussion begins, in particular, the same mykola knyazhytskyi started within the state as well, and the whole state had to work exclusively for one thing - for victory, well, look, from the very beginning, when the new government came, this is the servant of the people and president zelensky, they came under the slogan , not all are different, only we are

correct, we remember that. then it was from the very beginning, that is why the question of unity was not raised at all, i remember, at the beginning, the representatives, leaders of the faction gathered there, when they did not know what to do, and nevertheless gathered all the heads of intelligence and the heads of the security forces reported what was happening in general, and at that time there was hope that some such body would be created that would be fully responsible for the security of ukraine and for making decisions when someone was sent there for negotiations, about something agreed on the part of the ukrainian people, yes, but some part knew, i consider it wrong of course, everyone should have been involved in it. i think the time will come and we will find out who agreed on what and how these agreements will affect or have already affected on the one hand or the other, on the one hand, on the other hand, on the one hand

, we are often compared to israel, and i would not compare, well, we all know the political history of israel in general and how their political processes heal , much livelier than ours and much more emotional, you even have to see... how long this government of national unity, first of all , is maintained in them, secondly, they even set an example there for their mobilization, on the contrary , i suggest that we are better we demobilized and demobilized better, in front of the face a bigger enemy than it was in israel, so here i would set an example on the contrary, our country and israel still have a lot to learn, and there are a lot of people who are now talking about what, look, in israel it is so, in us it is somehow not so, no, we just had everything, a lot of things were right , there is a lot to learn, and we were mobilizing in the face of, once again, a bigger enemy, as far as, again, going back to unity, well, i think that

now, in the beginning there was united society and it united, i remember myself saying that now there are no political parties, of political factions, we are a single party, a political force , that is, independent ukraine, but now politics has already begun to be introduced and no matter what, let's be honest, whatever the president says, but there were talks about elections, elections, talks about the elections, they were bogus, because these questions that you are now asking my colleagues, the speakers, i think that in the office they were trying to answer themselves, legitimate, illegitimate, right, wrong, and here we as a state are probably just that. .. as political parties, in the unity government we are talking about, we have to provide our president, the supreme commander, whoever he is, from which political force, knowing that elections during war can split our society,

to provide him with trust and legitimacy, but not one-sided, there must be two-way trust, the president trusts the opposition and all political forces, the opposition... gives its trust to him on behalf of the ukrainian people, and in this way we go to victory together, this is my position. mr. mykola, at the beginning of the war, in the first days of the war, on february 24, the president, in particular, he met with the leaders of factions, including opposition factions, and discussed the situation in the country , did the leaders of the opposition factions gather and convey their opinion to president zelenskyi already during the full-scale war, were there such meetings, what were these were there meetings? look, well, i don’t know about this, i know that there really was such a meeting when the war just started, and then, the leader of our faction, petro

poroshenko, they calmly and very friendly talked with zelsky, together feeling the threat that exists, but were there any meetings? after that i don't know, at least the leadership of our faction did not tell about it, there was no meeting with our faction, it seems to me that the president should have met with the representatives of the faction in the parliament, this is absolutely normal, and i may have a little debate with my colleague kostenko, so that in this case, when we talk about a government of unity, israel can be an example for us, because in us and in us and in them the society was divided, in them even more, because in fact they had supporters of netanyahu and opponents of netanyahu, netanyahu was blamed in that it restricts democracy, and there were reasons for that, including their ... mistakes before the start of this terrorist attack by hamas is the result of this restriction of democracy and populist various attempts to protect completely different regions because of the wishes of certain politicians, not those

, where there could be a threat, and there were many other problems, by the way, everything is very similar to ukraine, although there is indeed a lot of difference, and it is not surprising that we criticize and rightly our authorities that we were not ready for an attack, but they were less prepared than we are, no matter how strange it is now sounded, but with regard to the unity government , what netanyahu did, he regularly calls representatives of all opposition forces and reports to them about the situation at the front, even his biggest enemies, and they were much bigger enemies there. among themselves than the leaders of our opposition factions and president zelensky. he did propose to create a government of national unity to unite the society, and this is an israeli tradition, that 's what all governments did during the attacks, there was always a unity government. another matter that not all opposition parties agreed to enter this government, one of the largest opposition parties entered, and others, such as lapid's party, for example , lepit, one of the famous opposition leaders, the former prime minister, refused, despite this

conversation between the president and even by those leaders who did not enter into this unity government, it continues, and all the same, everyone stands together against the enemy, we also stand together against the enemy, but unfortunately we have enough time to organize attacks on and from pro-government politicians in social networks on the head of the general staff is lazy, organize confrontations, pay various commissioned bloggers, embarrass each other... political forces, this is the worst, these elements, bad elements of peaceful life definitely cannot be accepted during a war situation. mr. oleksiy, i am turning to oleksiy kucherenko, tell me, what about your political power, if there was a proposal to join the government of national unity, would your political power agree to join such a government, and is there such a need, in your opinion, now? from your allow me to speak now not

as a politician, not as a political scientist, yes, but as a state administrator, as the father of five children, yes, who are in ukraine, and with whom i connect, connect the future, i state, on today, i have a deep conviction that the system of managing the economy of ukraine today, the executive power in the country is completely ineffective and completely inadequate to the challenges facing ukraine, corruption is one of the parts, what people understand very well, corruption is a manifestation of this , but i see many in different directions, especially in my own way, energy, communal services, you know, and so on, i see absolutely nothing that is illogical, well, about anti-state management things, this is clear for me, now the second thing is that something must be done, because we just agreed that the elections it is no longer

possible, it is not allowed, but it is necessary to change the governing body itself, is it possible to do it? it is possible, unequivocally, and it is necessary, yes, it must be done immediately, this government can no longer give us anything except harm, this is axiom number two, axiom number three for me, i am not what it annoys me personally, i think that this is some kind of state treason, that in the verkhovna rada for the last six months, in fact , almost every draft law is so correct in name, but scandalous in content, where there is necessarily some second bottom , must be voted together with opzzh, 35 votes of deputies, how do these oligarchs, these millionaires and so on sit and press buttons, how do you say, that is, a sufficient part, i understand, patriotic servants do not vote for it, them? there are not enough votes, they select these votes in

the opzh, so i turn to my colleagues from the vote, with jesu, the first thing we need to do there is to adopt the relevant resolution of the verkhovna rada, which bans a deputy from the former opzh , it is forbidden in our country, to ban participation in committee meetings and in meetings of the verkhovna rada, and now we come back, there is an absolutely normal majority in the council more or less adequate. logical, patriotic ukrainians, they are capable of forming this government of national unity, the trust in us had already rejected unity, i want to say right away, i personally definitely do not want to be in this government, so that i am not accused, i am asking you, i speak my honest word, baptizing here in front of the screen, but i am ready in my position in the verkhovna rada to control and set tasks for future government officials , regarding how to save the economy,

energy, all other sectors of ukraine, and this is the main task, which can be done calmly, without tantrums, to decide, at home in the hall of the verkhovna rada, together, definitely with the president, because we understand that the servants of the people of the actual political leader have the president, and the latter, and our leader at the last meeting with the faction, unfortunately, proved to us the information, there was no meeting of the president, well, at least with our leader, i think, as well as with others, in the format of communication between the president and parliamentary leaders. factions for one and a half years of war, this is abnormal, thank you, well, actually, mr. oleksiy, he said about the role, in fact, of the parliament, and what its role is during the war, because the deputies from opzzh, who were elected from a party that has been banned for a long time in

ukraine, but they continue to write laws, continue to vote for laws, according to which ukrainian society then lives, which fights against the russian occupiers, and this party is a collaborator and worked for the russian federation. mr. colonel, what do you say about the fact that opzz deputies are still sitting under the dome of the verkhovna rada, and in principle, during martial law, such issues should be resolved much faster than we even talk about it on the air. well, my colleagues have already said that, and what i was saying. that it turns out to be some kind of, well, not a government of unity, but probably a parliament of unity, we still have a partial one, but we see that the party of mono the majority votes with the representatives of the former party, opzh, and in principle there are no questions, because of this there is loyalty to them, and because of this they are in the parliament, because of this they continue their parliamentary activity,

because the authorities understand, in principle, the depth of what do we say, instead of negotiating with pro-ukrainian parties with parties that have a pro-ukrainian, pro-european position , whose parties there have, let's say, common interests, in principle, everyone who is here, they have many common interests, they differ from the party there well, we will call opzh by its names, although it is already banned, but for some reason the party , let's say this, the authorities, the authorities in the coalition, it is easier... to work with those representatives of the pro-russian parties than with the pro-ukrainian party, this is the question that needs to be answered to answer, first of all, to ourselves , and to the voters, why it is more convenient for the majority party to work with pro-russian parties than with parties that defend the national

interest. mr. mykola, you said that in israel, it is a tradition to create a government. of national unity, but there for the glory of god there is no such tradition of creating national telethons, we as media professionals understand very well that the existence of a single telethon implies monopolies not only in the government, but also in the media, and of course, when the president says that there is no need to hold elections in the 24th year, but we understand that this election will be in the 25th or 2 years after our victory, what do you think the monopoly in the media can lead to, in what way this monopoly can be broken, in what way, this national

telethon should disappear, because it does not give in principle idea about what is happening in the country, well, you know, it seems to me that such a time of truth must come for all of us, and that volodymyr zelensky, who for words...' kuli considered the possibility of holding elections, now from this was refused and heard by the society, says precisely that we all and our society have such a keen sense, yes, i am such a supporter of the national-democratic ideology, as are actually my colleagues, and this ideology includes several things, the first is a determined protection of national sovereignty, russian the church should be banned, the opzh should be expelled from the parliament and they should be banned from voting and holding positions, but at the same time, i am a person... with democratic views, but there should obviously be normal competition between democratic forces, and that is why when we use the marathon again after all, to fight against the chief of the general staff, when representatives of the president's office come to one of the well-known channels and begin to falsify articles or materials that he wrote, or for other propaganda, obviously

this is absolutely unacceptable, the opposition the channels must be returned to the air, they must work according to standards, of course in war conditions it must work... military censorship, but military, not political, and these democratic rules must exist, we need representatives of democratic forces, here are our colleagues with me, both from the voice and from the homeland, i am generally a supporter of the formation of a single, strong national democratic force , we had such experience, we were once in the united opposition of the homeland, it was called before the maidan, and thanks to the fact that we had such a large faction, in principle we managed to stop yanukovych and win on the maidan, and here i am a supporter of... the same movements, and when we talk about the opzzh and the church, let's all ban this moscow church together, and not adopt a quasi-law proposed by the government, let's ban opzh, but at all levels, well, i'm in the eu party, we also have some actions of our representatives in the regions that we do not support, or which are wrong, that is, in the kyiv city council,

for example , voted for such a ban, activities, mps from opzh, and european solidarity and vote gave 65-75% there, unfortunately, the homeland gave only 17, and therefore i think it is time for us to get together and synchronize this policy, there are things that will be difficult for us to synchronize, because obviously. motherland is a more left-wing party, so solidarist, the voice or european solidarity is more right-wing, but we are all national-democratic parties, we all stand for the independence of ukraine and have experience of struggle and values, and therefore it seems to me that these values ​​should be agreed, to move together, and democracy, i.e. free access of opposition channels, limitation of any political censorship, they should be the fundamental cornerstone of building such unity. well, it seems to me that so are the voices of the motherland.

support the idea of ​​banning the branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, i understand correctly, mr. roman and mr. oleksiy, our vote, the vote in the council on the first reading, we are waiting, we just mr. mykola after the vote and discussed the bill and we have our own opinions there, well, let's start with this, mr. mykola, will continue, you know, a struggle it continues, we just need to start talking about what is already... to win together with our democratic political forces , this does not mean creating one party, look at the elections in poland, there were three parties that formed a coalition, sir mykola, we were just talking about the channels, about the fact that there should be equality per channel, i am as much a democrat as you are, and i am convinced that on any channel there should be, if guests are invited, they have take turns talking calmly, you support it, right, thank you, that's it. on the channel, we all sit together and the representatives of the authorities, i understand, but well, but the host turned to me, i don’t get up, and i don’t have time to put

even three words, no, i respect you, i love you, but i want to say something intelligent , and look, don't listen to what they say, listen to what they do, the law on the bill on , well, religious, it is not a bill on the ban, i support mr. mykola, this is not a bill... on the ban of the russian orthodox church, it is a law that gives the possibility is completely under some legal procedure, really hostile religious organizations with centers, in the countries of the aggressors, makes it possible to ban and eliminate them, and in the first reading they voted, and you know that everyone is the only one, which, by the way, which, which force, which deputies, from which force did not vote for this law. what do you think, but guess on the first try, well, of course, these are the former latecomers, who now

have a new name, but they were and are latecomers, they did not vote for this law, you see, here is the answer about pharisaism of this mon, mon construction, you understand, when something needs to be done, there is no doubt that opzh will vote for it, 35 votes, and when the patriotic forces are right for... here are those who voted, the patriotic forces voted, so there is no doubt that all this can be done immediately to decide, unfortunately, or, but these are realities, we understand that the leaders of the factions are powerful political figures, well, i mean the factions we are talking about, which could do a lot for this government of people's unity, but here supertask for them, for dear peter oleksiiovych, yulia volodymyrivni's party voice is concentrated there and mon and servants of the people to create this new

correct coalition of national unity, to make a professional technocratic government that will save the economy, and not be a department or a department of the president's office. let's call things our own. let's assume, mr. oleksiy, that the first constituent meeting of the government. and in principle , you can continue the dialogue that we started in the verdict program already in the session hall, nothing prevents you, after all, once upon a time, there was a people's council in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, which united and there were communists, there were 239, i'm not drawing any analogies, but in the end there was a people's council that ruled, nothing... prevents you from becoming that nucleus , about which, mr. oleksiy, you are talking about and you, mr. mykola, and

you, mr. roman, so it is only up to you, i will tell you only one thing that we... during the program, we conducted a survey and asked our viewers whether it is necessary to hold elections for the president of ukraine in 2024, moreover, this poll was started earlier than president zelensky said about it, so we see how 95% of ours tv viewers were told that elections in 2024 are not needed. gentlemen, is the point in this story with the elections finally put, here is the statement. president, what do you think, let's take turns, mr. roman first, only very briefly, it's very difficult to say, first of all , because some processes were going on, today they were turned into other processes, i don't think it's a full stop, i think something else we will hear about the elections one way or the other, some options, thank you mr. mykola, i would like you to finally

put an end to the war someday, and then we will decide how put an end to this issue, of course, we all depend... unfortunately, not on us, but on the scoundrels who attack us, and therefore the situation will develop depending on this, mr. oleksiy, ukraine does not need such elections during the war , and therefore mr. president must fulfill and not just speak, but fulfill what ukraine needs, as well as people's deputies and all citizens of ukraine. glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, gentlemen, thank you for participating in the program, roman kostenko, mykola knya. and oleksiy kucherenko were today's guests the verdict friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, please like this video and also vote in our poll, today we ask you about whether it is necessary to hold elections

for the president of ukraine in 2024, although we see that in all the polls and on television and on our platforms, in particular on youtube, citizens say that there is no need for such elections, today the same statement came from the mouth of president zelenskyi, that someone seems to be saying that elections are needed in ukraine and we will not allow these elections to be held during the war, because it will only shake society, but we can see that 95% of those who participated in the telephone poll today survey on telecanan espresso, also believe that elections during the war are not necessary, neither presidential nor parliamentary, and we need to keep calm and win in the current situation, because victory is our goal. on this, friends, i will put an end to our big broadcast, yet i will remind you that from today and every day, every weekday, we will be on the air of the tv channel from

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