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the bayraktar reconnaissance and strike unmanned complex for the first time. greetings, this is svoboda live, my name is vlasta lazur. we will discuss the most important and resonant topics of the day in the next hour. 128 separate mountain assault brigade. confirmed the death of 19 servicemen as a result of a russian missile attack in the zaporizhzhia region, according to preliminary data, the missile arrived during formation. the military accuses the leadership of the brigade of negligence, the sbi is conducting an investigation, and we will try to find out what is the root of the problem. treason, someone deliberately lined up the military and informed the russian side about the gathering of ukrainian servicemen near the front line. is official negligence then. the one, what conclusions should be drawn, and how often it happens similar in the ranks of the ukrainian army? let's talk. the american press writes about the disagreements between the military and civilian leadership of ukraine, referring to valery zaluzhny's vze-ekonomst column, where he

states the stalemate on the battlefield, and the reaction to the column of the president's office, where they said that the above-mentioned statements are harmful, so harmful, or still help, we will ask about it from people who are directly engaged in advocacy. ukrainian interests in the us, and volodymyr zelenskyy, meanwhile , calls on the us congress to preserve the military aid to kyiv and invites donald trump to ukraine. details today in svoboda live. like this stream, here we go. in the 128th separate mountain assault brigade of the zakarpattia region, the death of 19 servicemen as a result of a russian strike in oblast, that the russian troops struck the ukrainian troops from the 128th brigade with an iskander empu missile, the armed forces of ukraine reported on november 3, the ukrainian media wrote that a russian missile hit the servicemen during an

award ceremony in honor of artillery day in one from the front-line settlements of the region, the very fact of holding such events, not far from the front line, outraged many, some military men noted that such events should be held deep inside... the rear and under the protection of the pppo, we will now discuss this in detail, and about the dead , previously ukrainian pravda , citing sources in the ministry of internal affairs, reported the death of 20 soldiers. verkhovna rada deputy oleksiy kucherenko claimed that 28 people died. according to the people's deputy, 53 people received injuries, although in the brigade itself, i will remind you, officially, as of now , 19 dead are declared, but there is no official information about the wounded. president. volodymyr zelenskyi reported that a criminal case had been opened for the death of the soldiers of the 128th brigade, defense minister rustem omerov assured that all the circumstances of what happened would be clarified, and the brigade itself informed that

an investigation is currently underway. now a thorough check of all the circumstances of the tragedy is being carried out, until it is over, please do not distribute unverifiable often fake information. our best fighters died. we express our sincere condolences to them. relatives and promise to take revenge for our brothers in a hundredfold amount. well, i will also add that none of the officials directly confirmed that the rocket flew at the military, that it happened literally during the formation, but the only thing i will add is that in the dbbr, for example, it was indirectly confirmed, so to speak, hinted at there they said that the bureau initiated an official investigation into the actions of military officials who organized the event for the day of the missile forces and near the front line, this was reported to the state bureau of investigation today, and there i will remind you, they have already started, they have started to conduct an investigation and check, we will discuss everything in detail from minute to minute now, i just want

to share one more important piece of news on this topic , in particular, our colleagues from the publication hromadske report that the alleged commander of the 28th separate mountain assault brigade, his name is dmytro lesiuk was late for the western day of missile forces and artillery, well, actually this event itself, the very event that was organized near the front line, according to military analysts, it happened approximately 18 km from the front line, that the servicemen waited for kombrig for more than half an hour, and during this wait, a flyby occurred, as a result of which there were both dead and wounded, and here, in fact, with reference the public publication does not name the source, but they retell his words. the award ceremony was originally scheduled for 9:00 a.m., but was postponed to 9:30 a.m. at this time, the military was already lined up and waiting for the commander, and about 10.10 minutes it happened

a russian strike and combrich arrived literally two minutes after his arrival. well , a public source also reported that the russian military was watching the soldiers of the 128th brigade from a drone. that they were correcting the missile strike, and that, while delivering this strike, the russian military made a mistake, because they hit a building behind the military closer to... and just and just then the actual soldier died and was injured, but as if it could to die even more if the blow landed, so-called, where it was planned, yuriy butusov, the editor-in-chief of the censornet online publication, has already joined our broadcast, yuriy, good evening, good evening, yes, i am right now, allow me, you are also following this topic, and i want to immediately clarify about the victims, i think you also suggested

figure, 19 dead is the final figure, but it seems to me that you wrote that there were more dead, or is this already corrected information, i don't hear , i think we have some communication problems again, let's redial, probably yuriy butusov, we will redial from minute to minute, official information that 19 dead people were reported today in the 128th brigade itself , but, as i have already given the data, both meddy and individual journalists, and with reference to sources in law enforcement agencies, called the number higher, and 20, and 25, and 28, actually, is this the final data on the 19 dead, we will also try to find out now, well , the number of wounded remains undetermined, i quoted kucherenko, the people's deputy from the homeland, who voiced the figure

53 wounded, and another, the other side of the medal, a number military personnel, or military correspondents who follow the situation, some publicly, some not so publicly comment on it, they say that such cases have taken place on the ukrainian front before, that similar situations occurred when there was an accumulation of military personnel, or for awarding, or for lining up, and the russian flew there too. or some other russian weapon, that is , the question arises as to who and what lesson will be learned from this situation, i will remind you that the minister of defense rustem umirov announced that there will be an investigation has been carried out, and that the investigation will find out in detail what happened until the end, but so far there are really, well, more questions than answers, the first question is how it could have happened, whether it was really official negligence, or whether it took place

some, out of treason, not treason, induced or not induced, in short, a lot of questions, yuriy butusov has already joined us by phone, we can't connect the video because of a bad connection, yuriy, can you hear me, congratulations, i can hear you, and i i immediately wanted to clarify with you about the dead, whether 19 is final figure, is it possible that you have other data, because in particular you, as far as i remember, and not only you, called the number higher, yes, unfortunately, a few more people died, uh, just not about them yet report officially, well, the 128th brigade made public the figure of the dead from its composition, ugh, i think that there was not only this unit, ugh, but wounded, something is known about the wounded, yes, it is known that several dozen wounded, yours may be subjective point of view, or, you put together, so to speak , this puzzle, so informative, from this one information that comes from your.

sources, it’s a coincidence, so to speak, they just hit the place where the crowd of people or the place where the telephones are crowded, or was it targeted to hit the brigade, knowing what was happening there, the line-up of the military, i didn’t really see it there, to be honest, i don’t see it myself lining up, i see a large on video, a video from the scene of this tragedy, i see a gathering in one place of a large... number of cars that converged, as we see in the video of the enemy, converged, and at this moment the enemy the drone lit up, and it was aimed hit. i think that it is really necessary to consider the version that some data allowed the enemy to strike at this very moment, it cannot be ruled out that these were release versions, perhaps penetration into

the mobile phone, military personnel, perhaps the ground agency that gave some hint, ah, but in my opinion the most favorable version is that this village , which is located, which is important and communication, it is on the dna arishiv highway, which is very intensively used by our military, was a planned target of aerial reconnaissance of the enemy and and it is quite likely that after noticing the crowding on the day during the aerial reconnaissance flight, it was identified as a target. in my opinion, if the enemy was really preparing, had reliable intelligence or reliable intelligence, for example, from the interception of some messages, if he had such information that a group of military personnel, including officers, had really gathered there, i am sure that they would have let them in

not one rocket, but they would hit with several rockets and necessarily then try to cover the evacuation group, in this case you we see that there was, only one rocket was launched, and thanks to this, we have dozens of wounded, but the enemy in principle did not finish, did not finish this, this place, therefore, in my opinion, this is just the regular work of fire intelligence of the enemy, and a big underestimation, and the biggest question i have now is the first thing, why was there no warning, why was there not , or was there no warning, or why did they not react to the flight of the enemy drone, the correction drone, it is far enough, there somewhere from 20 up to 30 km from the front, the village

is located in the deep rear, and it should have been a warning was received by the command of the brigade about the operation of the drone in the area, and there should have been a response, this is the first question that arises, why ... there was not such a response, and the second question, who posted the video with the results of the defeat? this really raises the question of who recorded all this, put it on the network, how did the enemy receive this data, yui, but yuri, but it seems that russian sources were the first to distribute this video, perhaps this russian side filmed it or not? i don't know, i wish there were now. uh there was, there was an analysis of the internet, it was carried out as part of the investigation and it was clearly determined on which channel this video first appeared and which person filmed it, this is the person who was there at the time of the impact, yes, on the ground, directly, huh

, yes, directly on the ground that posted the footage of the deaths of servicemen, that is, this person very quickly leaked this data to the internet, you need to understand what kind of person this is, how it got from... got to the internet, it is possible, it can be one from such threads, by which you can pull and untangle this story, and here you said that from your point of view this is probably the kind of normal staffing situation that can happen in war, i dare say, so it happens a lot, or is that a misjudgment? well, fortunately not often, but of course we have already had such cases , let's remember how we had a blow in march 22nd, how in our country, the adviser of the president's office podolyak and the head of the servant of the people faction arakhamia visited yavoriv, posted a photo that they were taking pictures there with foreign volunteers and a few days later

a rocket flew there, there were victims, they died people, then we had a defeat in march as well. the barracks of the 137th battalion, up to 200 people died there, because of this strike, then several dozen servicemen died in the gums in the training center during the strike, we really do have such cases, and the enemy is now actively stagnant and always and before uses aviation, missiles , therefore, of course , with the help of drones, he is trying to adjust the strike, to deliver an accurate one, to hit our places of deployment. it's a common story, it happens all the time, well, luckily, luckily, not like that often they get it right how they report on it, but the problem is that you see, no conclusions are drawn, a drone over the meeting place, and that's all, people are concentrating, no one notified them,

but i guarantee you that if there was an alert , these officers, among whom there were certified people, heard that there was a drone above them, there would have been no gathering at all. that is, there was no warning, for some reason the information was not brought to them. yury, this is a question, but do you have any questions, claims, claims, to the actual brigade commander dmytro lysyuk, his name is, today our colleagues from public affairs wrote about the fact, with reference to their sources in the brigade, that he, well, scheduled a meeting, the soldiers lined up, but the meeting there was postponed from time to time, they were waiting for him. at 10:10 there was an attack, two minutes later he arrived, and there were many complaints , well, in particular in social networks and from the military, i see exactly him, dmytro lysyuk, that we are not familiar with this officer, i can’t nothing to say, but i immediately, immediately it is obvious that

the person responsible number one in this case - it is him, because it is obvious that combrich determined the place and time of the meeting, that is, combrich took and had to take responsibility for security measures, for control of the air situation, and there is nothing in this. this is the normal course of action that they had to follow, and of course the fact that the meeting place was chosen very poorly, this is a big problem, that is, inside the village, on the highway, it is very visible, everything is clearly visible, the accumulation of cars, this is basically great danger, yuriy, i have the last question, actually about the brigade commander, i have such a big one a bright touch in his biography, in 2019 there was a court verdict against then still under...' colonel dmytro lysyuk for smuggling and subsequent sale of cigarettes from the so-called lnpr. lysiuk was then fined, he

paid uah 119. he had an accomplice, they both actually agreed to a deal with the investigation and ended up with fines. and in principle, it was a long time ago, as if this story can not be remembered. but in the context of current events, how important is this stroke in the biography of the brigade commander? this is just a case in point, unfortunately, it's a demonstration of what. that we have in in the army, even people with criminal offenses can still make a career without any problems, they are promoted in positions, because they are useful people for someone, convenient people, and the presence of criminal offenses allows them to be promoted in ranks, promoted in positions, the same bulovin was convicted as a battalion commander, now he is a kumrich, he has titles, orders, that is , the political leadership of the country and the military leadership. the army likes that they have convicted felons, teams, and

this does not prevent them from making a career. i want to say that we also have senior officers, there is commander otu , on whom you can find a criminal case on the internet, well , this is an absolutely normal situation for our army, which actually speaks, well, that we have serious problems with awareness of what a moral and ethical principle is. in the army, what is an officer like, how should he make a career , here are the requirements, and the result, in fact, it shows that we have loyalty in the army and good relations with the superiors, which allow us to make a career better than awkward people demanding something, something advocate, there, we need such leaders who can decide for themselves, find funding for something themselves somewhere, by any methods, but people who have combat merits at this time

are not given promotion, that's why there are such problems in the army, thank you very much for your comment, yuriy butusov, editor-in-chief of the censornet online publication, a military correspondent, was on radio liberty, and we will continue this topic , gennadiy druzenko, lawyer, public activist, co-founder and manager , has already joined our broadcast of the first volunteer mobile hospital named after mykola perogov, gennady, good afternoon, good evening, or rather, good evening, who and what lessons should be learned from this story. from the death of the soldiers of the 128th brigade in the zaporizhzhia region, first of all the military command, of course, because i want to start with sincere condolences to those relatives, relatives, friends, comrades who lost their loved ones, when it was possible not to lose them, because the war, on sorry, it's about death and ruins, but there are cases when it can be prevented, this is one of them, so...' there is some, well, i would say, soviet logic of this

shows, when it is necessary to search, even more so, to search the sky in the pro-front zone, it is always a danger, and the investigation should be conducted not just a formal investigation, but an investigation that will convince the public why 20, well, 19 officially announced men died due to the actually criminal negligence of the command brigade that is, yuriy analyzed very correctly, i listened to his analysis, that's why people were exquisite in the open air, why was this search necessary, why did they wait quite a long time on the street and why, when the drone was actually transmitting over them if the enemy drone hovered and transmitted information, this award was not canceled, that is , the society must receive a convincing answer to these questions, and unfortunately, the dead cannot be... brought back, but the one who made these mistakes must

be punished. 19 officially killed, this was announced by the 128th brigade, but yury butusov just told us that these were only the fighters of the 128th brigade, according to his data, there were also fighters of other brigades or units, in other words , the same is true, that is, the dead are more. what do you think, is this official negligence, ot as you said, could there have been any kind of treason, did you lead, did you deliberately inform the russian side about the fact that the military is there and you can hit there, you know, well, this is an assumption, what an unreasonable sentence sounds, i want to believe that criminal negligence, that is, everything after all, 128 is a well-known brigade, known since the time of the ato, oos, in particular , it became famous in debaltsy, we cooperated with them many times, and therefore, well, i want to believe that it is not treason after all,

although, unfortunately, the fact that we know, until now , the ukrainian army, the ukrainian special services. to are not fully cleansed of those who work for the enemy, i repeat, i really wish that even this lateness of cambrig was explained not only in accordance with the criminal procedure code there, since the case has already gained resonance, but also the society heard convincing answers to the questions, on which there are currently no answers, you say that you crossed paths with this brigade, maybe you also know the commander of the lysyuk brigade, no, we , him, him, not i, no, we do not know, that is, well, we cross paths to a greater extent zhanmedami, plus it crossed 28, we met just when they were coming out of the debalts, and we were just then standing on artemivska and carrying this endless rosary of wounded people from the crosses, who, uh,

you said, well, you noted that the case gained a lot of resonance, probably because it was public, about it, yes so to speak, you know, the military radio, which is called, reported, people transmitted to each other and the information reached, became public, generally known, and, but how often, perhaps from your experience , this happens, in particular, due to negligence, or due to the fact that, that soviet traditions of the soviet army are still living in the ukrainian army, these are the eyes of the line-up, some are there from the day of the occasion of some holiday, well, on the front line, it's really a little. everything sounds good, especially since, well, the holiday was artillery day, this is not an artillery brigade, that is, there is no 44th there , so there are many questions, unfortunately, that is, i will say that there are many more cases of non-deaths at the front, which could have been avoided, than it could and should be, and part, the main reason

for this, that at the moment a dead soldier, a dead fighter, is much easier to spear. knife, armored vehicles, for example, although we declare, that a person is the highest value, what makes us different from the russians, that is, partly this is true, partly these are declarations behind which there is nothing, therefore we should look for not just commanders, you know, those of the zhukov spill, who at any cost carry out the orders of the higher the leadership, there military or military political, and those, well, take care of the soldier, i always say that we will become different, when we have a film, to save private rain, it could be filmed about ukraine, about some of the ukrainian cases, that is, this one myth, legend, classic, movie classic, which and sets standards, as a civilized society, which is a democratic, free society, should take care of the one

who protects it, and here is the shock, well, i had people who received encouragement awards a year later, nothing terrible happened, but there are no awards expiration date, so i repeat, not only law enforcement agencies, but society in particular, since the war is now a very bloody war, very well , many injured people pass through our hands and, unfortunately, those who cannot be saved, i know the order of the numbers, i don't know the numbers, but i can imagine the order, and when we lose a few dozen more people , well, simply because of... the criminal negligence of their commanders, this is unacceptable, that is, i really hope that according to the words of the president, who has already said that these victims could to avoid, the reaction will not be the same as for borisov, you know, they removed a few aphid goats, the stakes for these vlk certificates have risen, that is, for risks, as people in