situation, serhiy sgurets, director of information and consulting of the defense express company. it has come close, the whole country remembers those who died in the russian-ukrainian war. let's honor the memory of ukrainian soldiers and peaceful citizens of ukraine who died in the war started by russia with a moment of silence.

greetings, this is svoboda ranok, my name is kateryna nekrecha, and in this issue we are talking about the following topics: the assistant to the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny, major gennadiy chastyakov, his 13-year-old son died due to a grenade explosion in the kyiv region. son hard traumatized, a box of grenades was presented to the soldier on his birthday - minister of internal affairs klymenko said. what are the versions of this tragedy and what has already been established by the investigation, we will tell you everything that is known. during the investigation into the circumstances of the death of the soldiers of the 128th separate mountain assault brigade in zaporizhzhia, the commander dmytro lysyuk was suspended. the brigade confirmed the death of 19 soldiers. ukrainian president zelensky promises that the guilty will be punished. in uzhhorod,

meanwhile, people came out for the requiem for the dead, telling about the dead, how the investigation is ongoing and what conclusions can already be drawn, we will talk further. polish carriers blocked the movement of trucks at three checkpoints on the polish-ukrainian border. entrepreneurs are on strike due to alleged excessive competition after the simplification of international transportation between ukraine and the eu. what is the situation at the border, what are polish carriers demanding and how will this strike affect ukrainian goods. and prices important news, announcements and exclusive comments. all this is on our morning broadcast on weekdays from 9:00 svoboda ranok, here on youtube radio svoboda channel. the minister of internal affairs of ukraine, ihor klymenko, urged not to spread unofficial information about the death of valery zaluzhny's aide, major gennady chastyakov , and to wait for the results of the investigation. in his telegram, he spoke about the primary investigative actions at the scene of the explosion, according to klymenko, the deceased major

chastyakovov had a birthday, he returned home from work with gifts from his colleagues, which he began to show to his relatives. he knows more details about the circumstances of major chastyakov's death our correspondent taras levchenko. he is now at the scene of the incident in the village of chayki , kyiv region. taras, congratulations, tell us what is currently happening at the site, are there any further investigative actions in progress, what else has been learned about the circumstances of this case as of this morning. good morning, katya, indeed we are now near the house where the explosion rang out the day before at 8 p.m. this person, and what i managed to find out, in particular from neighbors who refuse to talk on camera, but are ready to talk face to face, they said that mr. chasnyakov was

a native of donetsk region, a graduate of the military lyceum, he also graduated from the odessa academy of dry forces, the chitopak institute of the ground forces, then he served for a little while and then engaged in business and already at the beginning of the full-scale war of russia against ukraine he joined the ranks of the zsu, in fact valery zaluzhnyi called mr. chastyakov his reliable shoulder, here near the house where the explosion took place, investigative actions are ongoing, but they are already inside now, i understand that since the consequences of the explosion, they have already been removed and, in principle , nothing is visually visible. so, the versions of this event differ, at least they differed as of yesterday between the versions of the ministry of internal affairs, i mean, the versions of journalists. in the ministry of internal affairs about the initial circumstances of chastyakovov's death, they write, i quote, it was his birthday, he returned home from work with gifts from his colleagues, which he began to show to his relatives, however,

andrii tseplienko reported that these grenades, which chastyakov received, were included in the gift set that a colleague gave him, it was an ordinary wooden box containing a bottle of troops. and six grenades, as tseplienko writes, and this is allegedly confirmed by three witnesses, and in the end, this is what happened when chastyakov picked up one of the grenades, let's listen now to the official version of the ministry of internal affairs, took out a gift box with grenades inside and began to demonstrate one of the ammunition son, these were grenades of the new western model, first the son took the ammunition into his hands began to twist the ring, then the serviceman took the nut from the child and pulled out the ring, provoking a tragic explosion. i read a number of russian media , they are angry about the death of the major of the zsu, a number of russian state media, i mean, but they do not write about any story

related to the russian special services, or about any russian trace in the death of mr. chastyakov. here it is worth noting that they do not talk about the deliberate murder of a major of the armed forces and in the ministry of internal affairs, but the police found a colleague, a serviceman, who gave a gift chastyakov received such a gift, his office was already searched and two more grenades were seized , actually i should add about these grenades, they are german grenades of german production, it was already visible in the photo yesterday, they wrote it in theirs. the ministry of internal affairs, ukraine received such grenades from germany already after the start of russia's full-scale war against ukraine. they have radio fragments, at least 25 m. this is such a universal grenade, which is used on the front line. again, as ukrainian journalists write, perhaps mr. chastyakov thought that these combat grenades are

gift set and as a result there was an explosion where he died and his son was injured. katya. taras, thank you for including. taras. radio svoboda correspondent with the latest news from the village of chayki, kyiv region. therefore, the police are currently officially investigating the incidents involving the death of zaluzhny's assistant under two counts, manslaughter and illegal handling of ammunition. in the meantime, discussions are going on in social networks, whether it really could have been an accident, given chastyakov's position and activities. in particular, the journalist andrii tsaplienko, referring to his own sources in the law enforcement agencies, says that the probability is 9.9%, this is a tragic case. according to him, the deceased chastyakov allegedly thought that there were not live grenades in the box, but glasses of a specific shape, although the interlocutor of ukrainian pravda at the general staff notes that chastyakov graduated from the military academy in odessa and knew exactly how to handle a grenade. the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery

zaluzhnyi himself, confirming the death of his assistant in a telegram, noted that i quote, in one of gifts, an unknown explosive device went off. source espresso with reference to the wife. chastyakov was also informed that the explosion occurred when one of the gifts was opened. maryana reva, spokeswoman for the ministry of internal affairs of ukraine, joins our broadcast. greetings, maryana, i would like to clarify what is known as of this morning, has the main version changed, yesterday minister klymenko described the circumstances of the explosion, precisely as an accident, or the death due to careless handling of ammunition, is this still the main version for the ministry of internal affairs? congratulations katerina, congratulations. ukraine, you know, as of now, from the work carried out by the investigators, during the primary investigative actions, it has been established that it was really careless handling of ammunition, and all the collected evidence, testimonies, just indicate that

it really was an accident, a pre-trial investigation is currently underway , further interviews of... persons are being conducted, all the necessary evidence base is being collected, ammunition has been seized, items have been seized from the house where the tragedy occurred, they have been sent for examination, and all this work is precisely aimed at objectively naming the reason for what happened, but previously the version remains the same, that is , it is careless handling of ammunition. maryana, that is, it can be argued that these grenades were real, combat grenades, a grenade that exploded, and also , as far as i understand, five of the same grenades were found on the spot, that's right, five more unexploded grenades were found at the scene, they were also

sent for examination in order to establish whether they were all combatants, but you know, the fact of the tragedy, the fact that unfortunately we have losses, just says that this grenade was combat. maryana, the investigators have already determined who exactly gave these grenades to the helper of the mercenary, such a gift, and already... they talked to this person, is this person in custody and is he in the case as a suspect or as a witness? yesterday, the police identified the person who presented this gift to the deceased , his office was already searched, two more similar grenades were seized, they were also sent for examination, accordingly, the investigators conducted first-order urgent investigative actions and will continue already in the process... the social order will determine his status, is it possible to name this person, on the eve

of telegram channels, it is worth noting, mostly russian ones, they wrote that the donor was a deputy head of the zsu with the surname timchenko. can you confirm or dispute this information? i can neither confirm nor deny this information, because an investigation is underway and this is all the data of the pre-trial investigation, it is the secret of the investigation. at the same time , i can say that the person who probably gave these gifts, she confessed to to this, she said that she really gave this gift to the deceased, and did not think that she would take seriously, not seriously, the words that he warned that the grenades were live, unfortunately, that is, the person who presented this gift, she knew, was conscious that these are exactly combat grenades and warned about it, chastyakovova.

according to the information that we received as a result of primary investigative actions, exactly as we were warned and probably the deceased did not believe this information, he did not believe it, that is, at the moment when he held this thunderbolt, grenade in his hands, and pulled out this check, yes i didn't understand myself, i didn't know that it was a combat grenade, what do you know, most likely yes, the facts speak for it. can you tell me what type of grenades these were, how they work, maybe different from what we all seem to understand, because these are common known facts about a grenade, if you get a receipt, it will detonate, or could, hypothetically , if you imagine not knowing the military, chistyakov, how they work, that it is dangerous to take out this ring, that you know about these circumstances, well, now let’s talk about some omissions, could the deceased or not to know, to understand, it is obvious that if he is a military serviceman and has relevant combat experience, then most likely he should know and understand how it works, what kind of

grenades they are, what type, after all, it is worth refraining from any conclusions, wait for the decisions of the examination, maryana, and how normal is the practice of donating military weapons during the war, or how does it get into hands there, will this also be investigated, where did it come from, where can it be purchased, taken, because it a really dangerous gift. these grenades, well, logically, it would be use at the front, can they be freely available? of course, all this will be established within the framework of the pre-trial investigation, how these grenades arrived, by what means, how they ended up in the possession of one or another person, on what grounds they were already transferred to another person, at the same time, i would like to note that the national police, for its part, is reporting all efforts to reduce the illegal circulation of weapons and ammunition on the territory of the state as much as possible, including

checkpoints for this purpose, including inspections for this purpose, precisely in order to reduce the likelihood of such tragic situations in relatively peaceful regions of our country. mariano, what is the threat to the suspect, the person who gave the grenades to the suspect, or if the investigation establishes that it was indeed an accident, that there was little warning, that is, how can this case be qualified and possibly reclassified, tell me, like this legally , as it can be, from a legal point of view it is difficult to talk about anything now, because everything depends on the evidence base that will be collected, i would not like to talk about any requalification, so that my words are not interpreted correctly, from what we have at the moment, accordingly, the maximum punishment is up to 15 years of imprisonment, but at the same time, i want to note that, first of all, everything will

depend on the evidence , who will gather investigators, who will be approved by the procedural manager and according to the court decision, whether the case will be reclassified in the future , it is not excluded, but at the moment the police is acting within the procedural framework that we have, i thank you for joining, told all the details , which can you tell me, maryana reva, spokesperson... of the ministry of internal affairs of ukraine, was a guest on our broadcast. to another tragic topic, the commander of the 128th separate mountain assault brigade. dmytro lysyuk was suspended from his duties during the investigation of the tragedy that occurred in the zaporizhzhia region on november 3. this was announced by the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi, according to him, the mass death of the fighters of this unit was discussed at the meeting of the commander-in-chief. zelsky promises that there will be those responsible for the tragedy punished the commanders of the brigade have been suspended for

the duration of the investigation, the whole situation is being analyzed minute by minute, it will be established who specifically is responsible for the safety of people in the enemy's aerial reconnaissance areas, there is no evasion of responsibility. the 128th brigade officially confirmed that 19 soldiers of the brigade were killed in the village of zarichne, zaporizhzhia region as a result of an attack by russian forces. public sources told the publication that brigade commander lysyuk arrived at the scene two minutes after the explosion. public sources also say that the russian military followed the soldiers of the armed forces from a drone and corrected the strike, but made a mistake and hit the building behind them. it is worth noting that a video from a russian drone allegedly tracking the soldiers of the 128th brigade quickly got online, but we cannot quickly confirm its authenticity in wartime conditions, but the russian ministry of defense also confirmed this strike. the day before

, the state bureau of investigation announced that it had initiated an official investigation into the persons who had organized a festive event near the front line, earlier zelensky announced the opening of criminal proceedings after the tragedy. as a result of this attack , local residents were also affected. according to the head of zaporizhzhya, ova, nine local residents were injured, and about 30 buildings were damaged, according to the dbbr. our correspondent yevgenia nazarova spoke with a local resident, deputy of the village council of zarichny, whose wife almost lost her arm. together with her sister, the woman stayed with her parents, whose house is not far from the place of arrival. both women were seriously injured even after the operation are in the hospital in zaporizhia, but their father and mother, although also operated on, have already returned home to save what survived, the house of the wife's parents was completely destroyed, says oleksandr, and shows a photo of the house, the kitchen and the garage are also developed there them there, well, a better house, because they lived there

normally, everything is there, well, the force of the impact was very terrible there, so what? if they were closer there to the street, then everyone who was on the street, in an open area, all in favor, because there was a high-explosive fragmentation charge, which was a large of power, a fragment even flew into my apartment, broke my window there, flew into the apartment there, i think that if someone had been standing there, they could have been beaten, well, a lot of people here had windows broken, more in principle, this my wife was injured, i just don't know how she will be, because i came to see her yesterday, she says, i don't have an arm, i say, well, i don't know, they said that you have an arm, well, i here later, oh, i asked the doctor fer, he says, no, he says, we just did the operation, maybe the vessels were white, and if the blood had not flowed into the arm, then it would have been an amputee , well, they said that the blood had flowed and that's all, well,

now there, i look at it, it's a terrible structure, it has such a folded arm. he says, oh, god forbid, everything will be fine, of course, the rehabilitation course will be long, well , everything will have to heal, everything will be fine, of course, it's a shock for her, for all of us, it's a shock, of course, the tragedy is such, and she is afraid of everything, now she is afraid, she says that i should take my son out of here, well, to the city of zaporizhzhia, because she, well, she is afraid for him, meanwhile in uzhgorod, people gathered to honor the memory of the fallen soldiers of the 28th separate mountain assault brigade, which also has the name transcarpathian. hundreds of people carried flowers and lighted lamps to the city center in zachun region, where three days of mourning continue. our correspondent spoke with those who came to the commemorative event, this is what people say. we needed to get together, just to cry together, hug, and feel the shoulder

of each other, feel the shoulder of our citizens, feel the shoulder of our nation, because we are now... we are living in very difficult times, one of the most difficult times, because we have lost friends , we have lost brothers, we have lost the best specialists, this is the whole tragedy of this story, we will definitely demand a fair, honest and impartial investigation of this case until the end. i have no more words, i have only emotions and i am just a person, i understand that you are to blame for this. our enemy is to blame, but i strongly suspect that there is an enemy, and unfortunately, among my own, i am very glad that today. in fact, when i crossed the pedestrian bridge, i already saw the crowd and

i think so, damn it, seriously, uzhhorod, finally, it is necessary that so many people died , damn it, uzhhorod came, thank god, that so many people who do not care, at such a price, serhiy kuzniv died during this missile attack, this is one one of the officers i met back in the 15th year after debaltsev, he took all his boys out without being injured, my grandmother then tied their socks and the first thing when he arrived, he wanted to talk to my grandmother, thank her , yehor cherniv, people's deputy of ukraine from the faction. narodu, deputy chairman of the committee of the verkhovna rada on national security, defense and intelligence, joined our broadcast, a difficult broadcast, yehor, thank you for joining. good morning, there are many topics,

tragic and important, i want to ask you first about the death of zaluzhny's assistant, major gennadiy chastyakov. which version of the investigation seems most likely to you, but does it sound plausible that a military major pulled the ring out of a combat grenade, not realizing that it was real, it was a combat grenade, what are you leaning towards? there is an official version that is voiced by the minister klimenko, the minister of internal affairs, that he is 99% sure that it is, after all , careless handling of weapons, and we have seen what is there, the son could have participated in it, so it is possible that just like that, unfortunately, maybe, again, yes, the son who pulled the grenade and maybe, again, the father just

covered with himself, i don't know, let it be, law enforcement agencies, but it's also quite strange for me not to understand, or to understand , that a military man does not know how to deal with grenades, even if these grenades are not so ordinary. familiar as soviet-style rgs, they are german, i understand that there were grenades, but still, it is quite clear how they behave , so i think that it was an accident after all , but let the investigation establish exactly what happened , it happened, not with an ordinary person, it was this tragic incident that happened, and because chastyakov was an assistant to a servant, in this someone, an attempt and a kind of signal, maybe to the commander-in-chief, do you see such a context here and what versions will be discussed in the parliamentary circles now? well

, actually, once again we return from what it is known to date, and the law enforcement agencies, i don't know if they detained, but they definitely already had a conversation with the person who gave it and it was also given by one of the representatives of the general staff. that's why i don't see any other versions here, it's strange to me that such gifts are given by the military, well, i know about prize weapons, yes, and it's normal if a prize weapon is given in the form of a pistol or a cold weapon, but to give grenades, it's really somehow it's strange, but to be honest, i don't think it's an attempt or some kind of signal. and what can you tell us about gennady chastyakov, did you know him personally, what functions did he perform, what information do you have

and how important was his figure for the ukrainian military leadership. well , actually, we didn't cross paths with chastyakov, so unfortunately i won't be able to say anything here. regarding the donor, we have just been confirmed by the ministry of internal affairs, they said that this person has been detained, but is it possible because of...' and the parliamentary connections there, you know the name of this person, again, this is for law enforcement agencies, i will not to comment here, with this person are held investigative actions are currently underway, we were told about this, and now i want to return to the tragedy of the 128th brigade, we know that the brigade commander dmytro lysyuk was suspended for the duration of the investigation, what conclusions can be drawn, whether he could be somehow involved in the death of his as for the military, can this be interpreted as negligence. or cooperation with the enemy, in your opinion? well, actually, all conclusions will be made by law enforcement agencies, but in my personal opinion, not even the second one. the year of

the large-scale invasion, on the ninth year of the war, that's enough , strange behavior , let's be honest, i remember the 128th brigade from the past, where i served in the ato, and i remember many officers from there, and indeed in the 14th and 15th years, when i was there, even then there were no shocks in the war zone, because everyone understood that it was impossible, dangerous, to put it mildly, for everyone to be in one place, because we are under constant, surveillance, observation of our enemy, and this when the use was not yet so widespread

drones or yes for reconnaissance, now we see that even, well, in relative terms, i cannot say that it is the rear 20, there 25 km from the front line, because now we, even in kyiv, cannot be safe, so that rockets are flying everywhere, but there was the intelligence of the russian federation, from what we see from the video that was made public, and to honor with awards in the combat zone, you can do it differently, you can come, yes, i understand that it is more pleasant before , all the whole brigade to get an award, but is it worth the lives, i think it is definitely not worth it, and there should be reviewed all, well, although it is already in the provisions that there should not be accumulations, this, you know, is just common sense, there should not be accumulations of people in the holding area.

hostilities, and i think that all our other units should still learn a lesson from this, and perhaps there should be a separate order of the minister of defense on this matter. egor, how exactly in practice can these conclusions be drawn, perhaps by legislation, i don't know, by-laws, what should happen now after this tragedy in order to prevent such a thing from happening again. well, actually. this is a statute of the army service, it is, you know, written in blood, written in blood, because something once happened, and it was recorded that this should not happen again, and this should not be repeated, i think that either it is changes to the statute, carrying military service, or in time of war, or the orders of the secretary of defense, this will be sufficient to make the necessary changes. suspended lysyuk has a criminal record for smuggling cigarettes

in plain sight. to the territory, does it mean something in this case, is there no connection here, and in your opinion, why exactly are people with such they continue to serve as background, especially in advanced positions, they need more attention, perhaps increased attention, well, first of all, if the criminal record is cleared, then there should be no questions here, because the person has suffered his own punishment, secondly, to connect it's with, well, potential negligence, but still... it's a court verdict, i wouldn't stand for it, just like working for the enemy, but negligence, i think that's a possible article under which this one can be prosecuted, this leader, yegore, i still have one more topic that is important to our discussion with you, this is your colleague on the national security committee from somiya bobrovska, a member of the party's voice , spoke on our air yesterday about the dismissal of the commander of the special operations forces of the armed forces of ukraine, general viktor khorrenka, and she did not

connect it with the personnel announcement. tay last week, but says that was the president's reason, this is a quote , let's hear what she said and then you react, to me it seems like you know, like that, or a gift to the russians, because when we remember the towers kremlin, how did the drones fly there, it was done under the supervision of the commander, who was gathered, major general viktor horenko, when we recall the strikes on the base of the black sea fleet of the russian federation, it was the work of the resistance movement, when we recall the hacked railways, the hacked ammunition warehouses, it was also the work of strong operations, and it seems to me that the logical picture is so consistent, that is, there is efficiency means we shoot, means we don't, means we're not interested in success, that's one side of the coin, and the other side of the coin is, you know, what i get...