tv [untitled] November 7, 2023 9:00pm-9:30pm EET
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we have bbc news, then i will come back to you again, one month from the moment of the hamas attack on israel, when the war will end and what conclusions can be drawn a month later, we talk about this in today's issue of bbc news ukraine. olga polomeryuk works in the studio. pogroms, shelling, humanitarian crisis and evacuation. the war between israel and hamas has already changed the middle east. analysts say, let's remember how it all started and what is happening in the region a month later. on october 7, exactly one month ago, the palestinian group hamas carried out an unprecedented attack on israel, in which militants entered kibbutzim and towns near the gaza strip, killing at least 1,400 israelis and taking more than 200
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hostages, these events were described as the worst intelligence failure in 50 years since the doomsday war. in response, the israeli army launched a large-scale operation, the hostilities have been going on for the fifth week and are becoming more intense every day. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu said that a ceasefire is not possible until all the hostages are released. he said about this in in his interview for the abc news channel and announced plans for the future. according to him, after the war, israel will assume responsibility for security in the gas sector for an indefinite period of time. not today at 11 a.m. local time in israel, a moment of silence was observed in memory of those who died on that most deadly day. the bbc's middle east correspondent , yolanda nel, reads more. a month has passed since the blackest of days. here, near the wailing wall
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of the holy place for prayers among jews, candles were lit in honor of each of the 1,400 lost lives, the faces of some of the 240 people held hostage in the gas were projected onto the walls of the old city of jerusalem. israelis are still reeling from the horror of october 7 , the deadliest day in their 75-year history, the day a festival site turned into a massacre site as thousands of hamas fighters broke through gaza and massacred entire families. when avihai brodoch left the house to see what was happening, his wife and three children were kidnapped. 31 days is too long to be apart without my children and wives, and the fact that they are being held captive in another place, underground, in a small room.
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i don't know how they feel, whether they are being fed or cared for, for four weeks, ordinary gazans are paying a heavy price as israel lays siege to this small coastal strip and strikes it with airstrikes in an attempt to destroy hamas , who controls the situation here, oon calls it an inhumane collective. the numbers are staggering, gas health officials say, more than 10,000 people died, more than four hundred of them children, about one and a half millions have become homeless, let one of them go. the situation is getting worse every day, yesterday our relatives, fifteen people, came under fire, and we displaced people had to leave our homes. there is no food, there is no water, when my son goes to get water, he stands in... the bakery has been bombed, we
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have no bread. as israeli ground forces advance in gaza, israel's prime minister is ignoring international calls for a ceasefire and hinting for the first time at what could happen after the war. i believe that israel will be responsible indefinitely for security, because we saw what happens when we don't have it, when that responsibility for... security was absent, we got an explosion of terror by hamas, on a scale that we couldn't have imagined. however, in the region , israel's actions are being watched with increasing anxiety, fearing the spread of the conflict. last night, israel announced that it had struck targets belonging to the powerful hezbollah armed group in livno. their skirmishes across the border have already become the worst in recent years. last month beat a lot of unusual records including scale. suffering the end
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and edge of this conflict is still not in sight. the scale of the tragedy is truly enormous. as a result of the attack, hamas died on october 7. 1,400 israelis, evacuees took more than 240 hostages, on the other hand, in a month of shelling of the sector, said to be in the hamas-controlled gaza health ministry, more than 10,000 palestinians were killed. according to the un, a million people are currently refugees in the gas sector, and more than 2 million are left without drinking water, food, fuel and electricity. well, about the hostages, in hamas they say they still don't have a complete list of those. who was taken prisoner on october 7, because people are being taken by different groups and in different places, a member of the hamas politburo, musa abu marzouk, said in an interview with the bbc. the conversation began with a question from faras kilani, correspondent of the bbc's arabic service. did the hamas leadership lose control of
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the situation that day? the reinforcements that were supposed to arrive from israel were late. and that's why the residents of gaza also rushed to the kibbutz. israel has released many photos of video footage taken by hamas fighters' helmet cameras, which show that many in some cases, the targets were precisely civilians. and what about our children? aren't they human, is the bbc asking about them? most of the israeli civilians who were killed were killed by israeli forces, and the best proof of this is the houses where they were killed, they were destroyed by tank artillery and fighter jets, not ak-47s. let me clarify again, we
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are talking about a thousand civilians killed, this is separate from the military, it is all documented, and their families have been informed. this does not justify murder either. palestinian civilians with help american warplanes and ammunition. i will move on to another question about hostages. a hamas spokesman said a large number of them, 50 or possibly more, were killed in the bombing, followed by another seven killed in the jabalia camp. do you have any definitive numbers on who was killed out of those hostages and information about them. we can't even make a list of them yet, we don't need them and we want to free them, but for that we have to stop hostilities, that's because they are held
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by different groups or in different places, why don't you know that, and one and the other, they are received by other groups and the military wing of hamas in various places. therefore, both are true. let's take the russians as an example. i tried to help free two russian women. our brothers in gaza searched for and found these two women. they said, "yes, we will release them" and asked us to tell the russians to tell the israelis that they had stopped fighting, they would hand them over to the red crescent, as we did with the two american women. the russians went to the israelis and asked them to read and they said no. hamas managed to build a huge protected network of tunnels from where they fight, as we have seen in recent days and hold back the advance of the israelis, but the population of gaza has no shelter, you ask me to put 2.5 million people
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in the tunnels, we built these tunnels and now it is clear why, to resist the occupation, and thanks to these tunnels we will defeat them. the israel defense forces shelled the gaza strip after a four-hour break during which residents of the besieged gaza city were able to escape to the south. in this footage, the consequences of an airstrike in district town of hanyunis in the south of the sector, local residents say, at least 23 people died. israel insists it is targeting hamas militants, who often disguise their positions as civilian targets. the world health organization has said that israeli forces have carried out more than 100 strikes in the past month. in medical facilities in the gaza strip, and that more than 160 children die there every day, the organization accused israel of violating international law, while israel accuses hamas militants of launching rockets on israeli territory from the emergency hospital. israeli forces said
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they took control of a hamas stronghold in the north, where they found anti-tank missiles and rocket launchers, as well as intelligence materials. doctor. the bbc has been broadcasting from the sector every day for the past month. together with his family , he moved to the city of hanyounis and this is how he describes the latest shelling. it was one of the heaviest strikes in khan yunis, more than 30 people were killed in khan yunis, rafah and deirbaloh, these three cities in the south of the sector, right here the israeli authorities sent people from the north , and today many more people arrived here on foot, they said that the main highway from gaza city was damaged, and they spent a lot of time on the road on a detour route. today and a month after the start of the war, hamas launches rockets on the territory of israel, the battles are... on eight different fronts, mostly in the northern part of gaza, and also in the west
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and south. israeli ground operation expands, defense forces tighten ring around gaza city, while worsening a humanitarian situation that some call catastrophic. i spoke to one father who stayed in the city, he says: there is no water, food, basic necessities , un humanitarian aid, although it is little, only goes to the south, to gaza city, where there are still about 5,000 people, nothing reaches here in the south it is calmer, they are not shelled so often, but the humanitarian situation is not much better , hospitals do not have enough medicines, well , it is also important to mention the evacuation, the first group of ukrainians living in the territory of the gaza sector received permission to leave, this is 101 a citizen of ukraine, they say in the embassy of ukraine in israel, still. more than two hundred are expected to leave on wednesday. well , returning to the results of the month since
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the hamas attack, one of the consequences of those events was the increase in demand for weapons in israel. more than 120,000 israelis have applied for firearms licenses. however, almost 20% of israel's population is made up of israeli arabs, who told the bbc they felt unsafe and feared reprisals. feverish efforts to arm themselves, the citizens of israel are trying to acquire tens of thousands weapons units. in jerusalem, near one of the largest weapons stores, we recruited dozens of people for shooting training. now that all restrictions have been lifted, weapons are easier to obtain, but there are both advantages and disadvantages. we see what is happening in the us. it's not an easy decision, but i feel it's what i need. make the people of israel feel safer. omri says: after
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hamas attacks on israeli territory, the only way out of the situation is citizen action. because of the situation in my kibbutz, we decided to purchase weapons and formed a neighborhood watch. this emergency team will intervene if, god forbid, there is another shooting or terrorist infiltration. but while the jewish population finds ways to feel safe, local israeli arabs say they have never felt more fear than they do here in the city of lod, where there have been violent incidents between arabs and jews in the past, now that there are more guns among the jewish community, arab citizens told us that they are afraid to go outside. suhair hamduni, a teacher for children with special needs, she has lived through everything own life. we have already been attacked, at our home, stones have been thrown at us, we are already traumatized.
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what are you most afraid of right now? as long as the israelis exercise their right to defense, i and my sons may die, not because i have done anything wrong, but because i am an arab woman. if the jews in my neighborhood have the right to bear arms, so should i, or both sides should be restricted. when we were returning, we passed many arabs. the bridge, then the streets, the shops, seemed abandoned. i stayed at the abu restaurant amira to ask him why he has no customers. jews do not come, no one comes, no one calls, arabs are afraid to go to jewish quarters, and jews are afraid to go to arab cities. and while the gas war continues, the question arises as to whether the two communities, the taraba jews, can once again reconcile. and that's all for today,
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so if you watch us live on youtube and facebook, please like this video in order for it to be promoted in the trends of these platforms, from today, or rather, from yesterday and today and from now on, every day, in the afternoon, we will be working for you live from 8 to 10 p.m., we have already completed the first part of the verdict program, we are starting the second part, and we will talk, in particular, about the fight against corruption in ukraine, i want to introduce... our guests today, this is the people's deputy of ukraine, a member of the european solidarity faction oleksiy goncharenko. mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you, i am glad, that you joined our broadcast. i congratulate you. people's deputy of ukraine from the party yaroslav yurchyshyn. mr. yaroslav, good evening. glad to see you. good evening. and representative of the president in the verkhovna rada
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of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people party fedir venislavskyi. mr. fedor, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. during the program, gentlemen, we conduct a survey. we ask our viewers. and viewers on youtube and facebook platforms, or there has been less corruption in ukraine since the beginning of the great war, for those who are now watching us on the espresso tv channel and can vote by phone, phone calls, all calls to these numbers, which you will see on the screen now, are free. we formulate the question as follows: has there been less corruption in ukraine since the beginning of the great war, if so, then 0.800 211. 381 no 0800-211-382. once again, all calls to these numbers are free. well, since we're asking our
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viewers this, we'll ask in a format blitz survey, first our guests. in your opinion, has there been less corruption in ukraine since the beginning of the great war or not? let's start with yaroslav yurchyshyn. it moved into the national sphere. of security and defense, because funds have now appeared there, but its amount has not fundamentally changed, unfortunately, it still affects political decision-making, we are doing everything to change it, fedirnislavsky, to answer your question precisely, then i am convinced that it was precisely with the beginning of the war that corruption manifested itself has decreased, but i agree with mr. yaroslav that after about six months of understanding that priorities have changed significantly, we need to save the state, those people who were complicit, complicit in
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corruption, they understood that war is not can always be an obstacle for such actions, therefore , probably today, corruption risks, they are somewhere at the same level as they were before the war. mr. oleksii, oleksii goncharenko, unfortunately, i think i cannot say for all areas, because it is actually very difficult to assess, but in some areas it has obviously gotten worse, it is obvious, and unfortunately, it is difficult not to quote time magazine here , which said that some officials are stealing like there is no tomorrow, and this is a huge and crazy challenge, that ukraine has strengthen the fight against corruption, says the european commission, well at least... the report of the european commission, which should be made public and has already reached the press, radio liberty published a part of this report, it is said that
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ukraine's readiness for negotiations on joining the european union, four of seven steps completed among the steps that have not been fully completed is the further strengthening of the fight against corruption, it is about the appointment of a new head of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office and the director of nabo, and there are also a number of requirements for anti-corruption appointing bodies regarding the extension of powers to the prosecutor general's office, and i hope that during the program we will mention this, mr. fedor, as a permanent representative of the president in the verkhovna rada, i have a fairly simple question for you, and what is preventing ukraine from implementing this anti-corruption package. required for entry of ukraine to the european union, and in particular regarding appointments, well, look, if you are asking precisely about the state of legislative regulation
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of anti-corruption issues, then in my opinion, the verkhovna rada of ukraine, well, by 90 there 5% of its mission in the matter of anti-corruption legislation, those anti-corruption bodies have fulfilled , which should directly demonstrate dynamics in the fight against corruption, they were created, there are legislative grounds for them, so you know, i do not think that there are any significant problems in the field of legislative regulation, there are of course those wishes, recommendations of our partners, european, european institutions, regarding the improvement of the activities of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office, and the parliament is working on this and the anti-corruption committee is working on this, i think you know that when it comes to such, let's say, defining things for the future of ukraine, the parliament demonstrates its unity, and regardless of party affiliation, we vote for those initiatives that bring ukraine closer to the european union, so talk about
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something hindering the parliament, because the parliament has a lot of unfinished homework, well , that's hardly true. i am addressing you not only as a representative of the servant of the people faction , but as a person who belongs to the monopoly power, because there is a monopoly power in ukraine, and the monopoly power is responsible for everything, including the fight against corruption, because the more power in monopolies, the more control over corruption. well, actually, we and at all levels, i can say, now we ensured the activity of anti-corruption bodies. i think the doubt is that, for example, the same the national anti-corruption bureau somehow depends on the preferences or wishes of the authorities, well, this is definitely not true, because precisely those mechanisms that in the legislative regulation were supposed to ensure the maximum independence, impartiality and efficiency of these bodies, they work, they were introduced and influenced to these
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anti-corruption bodies, not to the highest... anti-corruption court, not to the national anti-corruption bureau, not to the national agency for the prevention of corruption, the authorities certainly do not have, so now they have to demonstrate the results that society expects from them and we, as politicians, also expect the same results from them. mr. yaroslav, does the government, the current government, monopolies, have control or responsibility, political responsibility for what is happening in the country with the fight against corruption, because, for example, the same sociological data of democratic initiatives for september 2023 indicate that zelenskyi is responsible for corruption in the government, and if for corruption, then, accordingly, for the fight against corruption, because it cannot be that the government not responsible for anti-corruption bodies, but also not responsible for corruption, because where there is power, there is corruption, well, let's divide.
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first, does the government have an influence on corruption, on anti-corruption bodies, everything has been done to ensure that there is no such influence, unfortunately, in reality, there is still organizational dependence of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office on the office of the general prosecutor, for example, sap cannot independently file questions about extradition, and we know that some inquiries, such as, for example, the ex-head of the national bank, shevchenko, are timely are slipping, so it really needs to be changed, and to talk about the political influence of the government on anti-corruption bodies is actually inappropriate and has no basis, but here the question is to actually separate two concepts, that is, political influence and responsibility, whether the government is responsible for the fight against corruption, just like any government, and here it is very important
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that you emphasized, society puts the president in charge of the fight against corruption, there is such a question, why, because the president communicates quite often and, let's say, announces your initiatives, such as life imprisonment or equating corruption crimes with national treason, yes, of course society hears this and gives its analyses, but i would like to add something to mr. feder about the actual requirements of the european union, and if you read the report correctly, then it is completely fulfilled, and there are four requirements out of seven, what does this mean, because there are requirements that , let's say, there is no limit to perfection, it is possible to improve self-government, independence, and the effectiveness of anti-corruption bodies for a long enough time, we are appointed all
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the heads of anti -corruption bodies, we have fully fulfilled the basic requirements, or rather our voluntary obligations regarding the start of membership negotiations, and now the issue is only political, regarding the leaders of the countries, members of the european union, and this decision i really hope, in december will also be positive, despite certain manipulations on the part of hungary, so far none of the leaders of the countries, members of the european union has made such a remark, of course, especially from us, especially as representatives of the minority , we do not have the luxury of talking about the opposition, no you can be in opposition to your own country during the war, but there is a controlling minority, and we will constantly put demands on the authorities to ensure that the fight against corruption is not in words, but in deeds, and for example, if in a team...'
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