[000:00:00;00] bodies can be long enough, we have appointed all the heads of anti-corruption bodies , we have fully fulfilled the basic requirements, or rather our voluntary obligations regarding the start of negotiations on the acquisition of membership, and now the issue is only political, regarding the leaders of the member states of the european union, and this decision i i really hope that in december it will also be positive, despite certain manipulations on the part of hungary, so far none of the leaders of the countries, members of the european union has expressed such a remark, of course, from the authorities, we, especially, as representatives, minorities, now we don't have the luxury of talking about the opposition, you can't be in opposition to your own country during the war, but there is a controlling minority, and we will constantly put demands on the authorities to ensure that

the fight against corruption is not in words, but in deeds , and for example, if there are people in the team... of the president, god forbid, on whom there are any, even suspicions of corruption, so that these people actually, regardless of whether they are the president's team or representatives of the opposition, but so that, well, they would be untouchable, well, so that they were not untouched, so that they were responsible , in principle it would be useful if they were suspended from performing their duties at the time of the investigation, because unfortunately, this was not done with mr. tatarov, for example, when...' him, as a deputy head the office of the president, anti-corruption bodies, claims were made regarding possible involvement in corruption, of course, the presence of such people in the first echelons of power will constantly raise questions not before international partners, but before society, how effectively we fight corruption, but i will return to the requirements of the european union, they have been met, no one can deny that, there are

requirements that require longer work and longer work, and of course we will continue to fulfill these requirements, but there are no obstacles to start negotiations on acquiring membership , and any steps on the part of our european partners, to add something again, to put forward something, can be perceived as simply unwillingness to actually fulfill our part of the agreements, we are fighting, not always the first time, very often with very frank discussions but as a partner country , we are ours part of the agreement has been fulfilled, now the question is for our partners, whether they will be able to make this decision politically, taking into account the hungarian factor in particular, which will act regardless of how perfectly ukraine fulfills its part, because we understand in whose interests it acts mr. orban, and it is very unfortunate that there are such

open putin agents in the european union. thank you, mr. oleksiy, the head of the office of the president of ukraine, andriy yermak, in an interview with a politician, said that there is no more corruption in ukraine than in other countries, the main thing is that we are carrying out reforms in this difficult time, and that these reforms are a sign that we strive for ukraine to be different, can we say in this case what mr. yermak said: to the world community and the european community, who say that the steps have not been fully completed and the anti -corruption system in ukraine has not been fully launched, that we have reforms, but we will deal with corruption later. you know, i have so many reactions to everything i heard, you can give 500 interviews to a politician, and then

keep tatarov as your deputy, more to keep shurma as his deputy, after the scandal broke out, how his brother owns solar power plants in the occupied territories, for which the state continues to pay money, and well, sorry, all this is empty, you can no longer investigate the activities of another former deputy of irmak, kyril tymoshenko, everything is fine with him, but how is the big construction, where are the affairs, where are the results, and how is riznichenko, the former head of the dnipropetrovsk regional state administration, who , including during the war , provided a total of 15 billion hryvnias. in a row in the company whose owner was a fitness trainer, with whom, as we now know, he constantly crossed the border together, entered and left ukraine, probably this training took place constantly, so these 500 interviews will not help the politician, no one is blind , no one is deaf in the world, and time magazine and other things are only the beginning, it will be worse in the future, if we do not urgently come to our senses, what can be

said there, we control there, and what we control as a minority, i would like to ask , mr. yarosla, he says, we are controlling, so what we control what the verkhovna rada controls in general, but we are completely ignored by the verkhovna rada, who comes to us, even the prime minister comes to us, no one comes to us, we do not control anything, we just press a button , as to whether there is an opposition or no opposition, then everything is simple here , there would be no opposition if our volodymyr zelenskyi really behaved like winston churchill, with whom he was often compared, especially at the beginning of the war. cherkhel invited the leader of the opposition to become a deputy, to introduce the opposition into the government united the entire parliament, well, there really was no opposition in britain, during the war, in ukraine, who was invited anywhere. who was involved in what, and nothing at all, you can’t not break through, not reach, nothing, i turned to the president for the first time in more than four years, according to the law, people’s deputies have the right to be received by leaders, well , i want to meet with the president, well, i

'm a people's deputy, also a representative of the people, for more than four years i haven't applied once, i don't have any personal questions, it just seems to me that the president does not give himself up, at least in some directions. council about the level of challenges and problems that exist, and i would like to tell, explain some of my thoughts , share, that's all his rights, he can reject it and move on his way, he is the president, but to hear, well, that's the least, probably what could be, no one hears it, no one needs it, so unfortunately , well, once again there are a lot of reflections, and the topic of fighting corruption in our country is a failure, and by the way, let's also say, no. ... we don't have, you know, we have such a situation that here nabu, sab, that's how they are, i have many questions for nabu and sap, many questions when i open the nabu website and see the news about how it means they have submitted to court the case of stolen seeds for 3 million uah, that's two trucks

carrying , well, this is also an important matter, two trucks are two trucks, but this is not nabu, nabu about top corruption, where is the tymoshenko case, where is the shurma case, where is all this, where are the concrete results, why... women, here i am i was in lutsk yesterday and i was asked on television there about some women in volyn were given five years in prison for stole a piece of lard from a supermarket, well, it wasn't the first time, she was on probation, five years, for a piece of lard, well, i need to remind you again about the amounts, as i just listed, hundreds of millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions, billions, well, that's eggs for uah 17 and half a year. riznikov is talking about the ministry of defense and this is a reaction, so, unfortunately, i repeat, an interview with a politician, no politician, is good, but the main thing is business, with business, business is not good at all. and it must be corrected urgently, because

today corruption is not only an issue there problems, there is theft from the budget and so on, corruption today, it simply threatens the existence of ukraine, because sooner or later they will stop helping a corrupt country, but we can do whatever we want, so our task is to show that, yes, there are no perfect countries in the world in terms of the level of corruption, well, but to tell that we are the same country in terms of the level of corruption, as yermak says, like france or britain or germany, well, let's not mock people, because they are not all blind there anymore, well by the way, when anti-corruption laws were passed in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, then i remember very well, as from the rostrum. of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, the same viktor chumak, who worked a lot on the development of these draft laws, said that we have the best anti-corruption legislation in the world, in europe, if not in the world, and that we

will create this anti-corruption system all in order for it to work effectively, if we are talking about what, well, at least mr. yaroslav and mr. fedor are talking about the fact that there is no political component and no one is putting pressure on the anti-corruption bodies, that is correct, i understand so, then a completely different question arises, what is the best anti-corruption system, if it allows the deputy minister of defense of ukraine vyacheslav shapovalov to spend money, or to buy jackets instead of winter jackets, to buy summer ones, to report on this, and the waste goes to the amount of 1 billion hryvnias, that is, if there is no flight... in what way can this large anti-corruption structure miss it? mr. yaroslav? well, first of all, there is a criminal

case against mr. shapovalov, and no one allowed him to do anything, but if the investigation has to deal with the case now, if you think that in a legal state , after discovering the fact of corruption, a person will sit down for tomorrow. whether she is sentenced, it is not quite so, or not so at all, the lazarenko case in the united states, seven years, 11 months of hearing, well, we are currently undergoing a pre-trial process and a suspicion has been raised, and so i extremely did not like the reaction of mr. riznikov about the fact that he was there when these problems were discovered, and which were largely directed by that system, the actual procurement, which was allowed to purchase from a direct supplier, and this was argued it is quite logical that we need to provide the front with everything we have, but

the human factor is not taken into account, and actually performing the duties of the head of the department , bohdan khmelnytskyi, who is now arrested in this case, and mr. shapualov actually failed and allowed , and they probably took advantage, at least the khmelnitsy punk, everything indicates this from the existing corruption schemes, so they will be punished and so, in fact, everything will be done so that the damage that was caused to the state was...' returned, if possible , actually those who were involved in those scams, the reaction of the ministry was inadequate, they began to say that the journalist-investigator was a pest, almost promising that they would go to court and the like, but the process of establishing justice is happening, or can it happen so what was discovered today, imprisoned tomorrow, we are not in a totalitarian country. everything because of the court, everything because of investigative actions, and of course

you can compare there the case about the fat, and you can mention the case about mr. knyazuz and the head of the supreme court for a moment, and you can compare there about things that have not yet suspicions have been raised, although there are criminal cases in fact and in relation to large-scale construction, and it can be recalled that the previous convocation voted for the amendments to the law, which allow factual cases to be brought to some, conditionally speaking, tymoshenko, the investigation did not reach to raise suspicion, just to close this case in 12-18 months , and unfortunately, this convocation has not yet managed to correct this right, this big mistake, we will do everything to make it happen, at least the corresponding bill, in particular the power of authorship, in re-registered, so that we can correct this mistake , is one of the most progressive anti-corruption

mechanisms in the european community worked out at the level of legislation, definitely yes, now we are being set, our legislation is setting an example for both georgia and moldova , that is, for those countries that are integrating together with us and for the balkan countries as well, but here the question of implementation is, yes, whether there are any political influences on anti-corruption bodies, the body may not be influenced, but it is possible, as in the case of tatarov for... the prosecutor general, simply transfer the case with nabu to the security service of ukraine and the case falls apart, that is, there are certain possibilities of manipulation, yes, it is legal, not quite legal, but always the best law can be, leveled by the poor quality of implementation, and we as the anti-corruption committee, both the representatives of the majority and the representatives of the minority, really have control functions , and we summoned mr. reznikov, and we asked... questions, and therefore to say that

the parliament has no influence in principle, yes, i am very dissatisfied the way it is now is often ignored, and the position of the parliament, or the parliament is actually put in the phase of a mindless executor, but the parliament has every opportunity not to accept what it does not agree to, all things being equal, mr. oleksiy, will not deny that the reform laws and mr. fedi... also supports, er, laws related to national security, the requirements of the european union, they are adopted by more than 300 votes, that is, by the entire parliament, if certain loopholes are introduced, then they pass with great difficulty, and it is not the fact that they pass, but because there is always a possibility oppose even with the limited mechanisms that we currently provide, and it is a pity that the parliament has closed and does not show its work, i do not understand why we already have everything

transparent, everything is normal, but the parliament, if you can see it, is only in recording and only there, at night, not after an hour, not after two hours, yes, okay, the question of security, why journalists who visit the front line in our country, who have accreditation, still cannot get into the verkhovna rada, this is also a question for me , which we constantly put, so we can talk about what we are at the moment we can work... actually it is better, but with regard to the anti-corruption system, it is necessary to divide and divide where there are achievements and where questions can and should be raised. unfortunately, it often happens here. that before expressing suspicion, a person is given the opportunity to flow, like mr. kirill, ah, shevchenko, like mr. dubnevich, like our colleague, all these issues need to be shown, i will be with oleksiy, i agree, it is possible to build the most ideal

countermeasure system corruption, but when there will be no final results, when there will be no verdicts , but both acquittals and sentences. with the definition of guilt, well, the whole system will not demonstrate the efficiency that we are supposed to show now, that is why we really have one of the most progressive legislations, the issue of implementation, the issue of adjusting the work of this system, well, the issue of not actually creating such situations as tatarov's case, when the inconvenient nabu is not allowed to investigate this case, but is handed over to the security service, although in fact here the general pro even exceeded his powers, because there is only the jurisdiction of the national anti-corruption agency. mr. fedor, during election campaign of the 19th year, volodymyr zelenskyy at the olimpiyskyi stadium asked his then opponent petro poroshenko when your friends will be held accountable for

corruption, why are your friends all with their hands, well , it is meant, why their hands were not cut off for what they steal and why. friends or, let's say, the employees of the office of the current president of ukraine, still do not answer for those accusations and for those accusations, including oleksiy goncharenko and yaroslav yurchyshyn, in why is it a problem, if we have such independent anti-corruption bodies, which hinders the same tatarov, shurma, or tymoshenko, tymoshenko is already without positions in general. as far as i understand, to appear before the anti-corruption authorities and give evidence and to go through the full procedure of the anti-corruption authorities. well, first of all, i would like a few literal words as a reflection on what was said on the air, i know here, well, some

such a certain dissonance arises, because on the one hand, the political force represented by mr. oleksii, it is absolutely mine belief rightly credits herself with the fact that she initiated the creation of a system of anti-corruption bodies in the 14th year in general, and starting there from the 14th to the 19th and then we joined already as a new convocation, we adopted those laws that have to ensure the maximum independence, impartiality and independence of all anti-corruption bodies, and this is a fact, and here mr. yurichyshyn is absolutely right, the anti-corruption legislation of ukraine is recognized by all our partners as one of the most... effective, perfect, and we continue to improve it, the system of anti-corruption bodies, it is independent, and to talk about any influence, well, there is definitely no basis, certain manipulations, i admit, you know, when the human factor is at work, there is always an opportunity to influence in some way to one or another process, but here it must be understood that

those who are involved in corruption processes and corrupt actions, they also very unitedly and systematically oppose the anti-corruption bodies, it is enough to mention the judicial decision of the constitutional court of ukraine, which was in fact, an attempt was made to destroy the entire anti-corruption system, and this decision was supported by many shadow players, and only thanks to the consolidated position of the majority and the minority in the parliament, we very quickly restored the legislation and did not allow interested parties to destroy it, besides , when we talk about the fact that someone is not responsible for his own... then it is necessary to understand that democracy, it requires clear observance of procedures, including in criminal proceedings, and the very fact that in the case of some leaders there are criminal proceedings in the office of the president, they are being investigated, maybe not in the way that someone would like it, maybe not even in the way that i would like it, but at the same time,

there are criminal proceedings, let's remember in retrospect, about which leaders , acting heads of the president's office, criminal proceedings were registered, they were investigated and the cases were in the field of view of law enforcement agencies. in addition, when we talk about the fight against corruption, i also want to remind you that there are very clear examples when representatives monomajority, people's deputies of ukraine, according to the decisions of anti-corruption bodies, among others, there were preventive measures taken against them, including detention, and now they continue to be in criminal proceedings, consideration of criminal proceedings, and this is all confirmed by the the fact that the fight against corruption is not just some kind of, you know, ephemeral situation, it is concrete... actions, and finally , we can remember that thanks to the activity of the anti-corruption court, we

currently have quite a lot of convictions for judges, and mr. yury chichyn told the chairman of the supreme court, who is currently in pretrial detention , that is, it is all in a complex, you know, well, we can say that a whole series of such copper discussions about abuses were really allowed in the ministry of defense. here i can partially share, agree, partially disagree, because i am just a representative of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, and in our committee, when we consider these issues related to high-profile affairs, including mr. shapoval, well, we must remember how the war started and what kind of army we had at the beginning of the war, on february 24 last year, and this army was counted, i want to remind you, 256 - 26,000 men and immediately after the declaration of the general mobilization, the number of servicemen tripled, it was necessary to clothe them, shoe

them, and provide them with material property, and the state , including us, deliberately went for a significant simplification of procurement procurement procedures, and some abuses, they undoubtedly took place, therefore that, unfortunately, we cannot avoid the desire of unscrupulous officials to make money, including from the state's misfortune, but the very fact that the deputy minister of defense is currently in a pre-trial detention center, that a preventive measure of detention has been chosen for him, is also an indicator of the fact that the process of combating the corruption manifestations that we are talking about is underway, and these are not just words, these are concrete examples, that these cases, they have a concrete continuation in the form of concrete investigative and procedural actions, preventive measures, and i am convinced that in the future the verdicts of the court, if the charges that are brought forward are proven, to talk about mr. shapovalov about the fact that he appropriated a billion there, you know, this is pure manipulation,

because we are talking about what took place there are some low-quality uniforms that could hypothetically lead to such losses to the state, therefore the fight against corruption must definitely be strengthened, and society expects from us, as the government, from the president, who is associated with the main, such a leader of the anti-corruption strategy, more clear actions, but we must understand that... ' the verkhovna rada fulfills its task, its direction of work, anti-corruption bodies, which are independent, must demonstrate their effectiveness and bring all these matters to a logical conclusion. mr. feder, we are not talking about the appropriation of 1 billion hryvnias, but about the embezzlement of 1 billion hryvnias, i am talking about this and i am saying that here it is necessary to understand that we, look, here i cannot blame mr. shapovalov, although we communicated very closely at the committee meeting, he was one of the most frequent guests, oski... the committee controls defense procurement and we asked him these questions, i can personally say that, let's say, i have very strong

doubts that mr. sapoval deliberately allowed those actions that led to such potential or hypothetical or real losses to the state, because he acted in conditions of extreme necessity, when it was necessary to provide those guys who came to defend the homeland with everything necessary, you just understand, those guys who came to defend the homeland are watching... this is what we, there at the front, think, and they are there for themselves they are being packed, and they are being packed, you see, that is the problem, and this is the biggest problem, and you see, president zelenskyi , let me say, in august of this year he said that for corruption crimes, these actions should be equated with treason, and said that he would introduce a bill that would equate whether the head of state introduced this bill to the verkhovna rada. ukraine, i am speaking honestly in this case, i missed this moment, mr. yurchysin, probably, as a representative of the anti-corruption

committee, can correct it, i know that draft laws were prepared or introduced, now i am afraid to be mistaken, and were not introduced for one good reason, in fact , consultations were held with our partners from the european communities, and as far as i understand, they are still being conducted, and such an initiative, since it was not an initiative of the parliament , and the president's office communicated at the level of the president's office itself, as far as i know, our colleagues from the european communities expressed reservations, too broad wording, and now there is a discussion about whether to limit such initiatives are actually in the field of security and defense during the war, which is quite logical, because corruption in this field is the most dangerous, and therefore it requires all eyes. to speak first of all to our girls and boys at the front, but as far as i know,

there is no final draft of the law at the moment, here we can only really emphasize that we first decided to consult, and not to introduce, and then receive a negative conclusion, which is a good practice, if we further want, shall we say, to synchronize our approaches with those which work in the european union, although again, we also have a strong position on strengthening responsibility, this is about the fact that not a single, not a single country of the european union is in an active phase of full-scale aggression, ah, by the actual russian so-called federation . thank you, mr. oleksiy. in what way can the state, ukraine, put an end to corruption during the war, because corruption is looting, and it is quite easy to deal with marauders during the war. well, again i have a lot of reflections, maybe shorter, mr. oleksiy, we have there is not much time left. then, you

know, let me give you a simple example, i'm far away. i will not go out, today there was a meeting in the verkhovna rada, i spoke there, and in the framework of this speech i remembered the story about the people's deputy hunko, he is a servant of the people, so it seems that he is now excluded from the faction, who was detained by nabu for a bribe of 85 dollars. if i'm not mistaken, and he was, this is another tsc, there the servants of the people accepted a bunch of tscs, tishchenko leads one, there is someone else, over there gunko, as we understand it. this tsk was created as a tool of racketeering, and it was used for this, ah, and then he was detained, there was even such a funny episode, well, funny, when in the verkhovna rada about a month ago , the issue of the report of hunko's temporary investigative commission was on the agenda, and hunko had to report as the chairman, but he was in sizo, and it was difficult, so for such reasons he had

to report to him, but we considered the report, well, imagine. the absurdity of this situation, and today i remembered it, and at this moment , suddenly, a person stands in the hall and says, so i gonko, well, i'll tell you honestly, i'm a gonko, even my face is there, well, i don't remember, he was still getting there, he says, yes, i'm a gonko, i'm here, and that's what i say, that's it, you're not in siso anymore, he says , here i am, i am here, i have returned to you, i am with you, i am in the session hall of the verkhovna rada, i do not know, i still need to say something, make some comments. is this comment enough? i think that is enough, mr. oleksiy, unfortunately, the time of our program is coming to an end. we know about hunek, that he appeared in the session hall today, he tried to sell the land of the national academy of agrarian sciences, 85 dollars were taken from it in cash, this story, i think our tv viewers remember, sorry, gentlemen, the time of our program is coming to an end, i hope that

in the next programs we will discuss corruption, how the authorities fight with oleksiy goncharenko were guests of today's program. thank you, gentlemen, for participating in the program, and let me remind you that during the program we conducted a survey, we asked you whether corruption decreased during the war. we will now derive the results of this survey and let's see, please take it out. so, 70, 78% believe that corruption did not become less since the beginning of the war, and only 22% believe that corruption became less during the war. these are the results of our survey, friends, i say goodbye to you until tomorrow, come until tomorrow, tomorrow at 20:00 we will have a big

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