glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. from now on, the verdict will be issued in a two-hour format, from 8 p.m. to 10 p.m., we will talk with you about what is happening in ukraine, outside of ukraine, the entire front-line chronicle, as well as the economy, elections, all of this will be in our program. today in the program. russian attacks on avdiivka. the occupiers will not leave the city alone. what is the purpose of the russian offensive? fake appeals from the heads of kozs, who invented the resignation of the hard worker and wants to quarrel him with zelenskyi? ukraine is on the way to european integration, what decisions will speed up the accession of our country to the eu.

we will talk about this and other things during the next hour with our guests, this is veteran of the russian-ukrainian war oleksiy hetman, politician and diplomat oleksan oleg rybachuk , and diplomat oleksandr khare, and our colleague tetyana vysotska from brussels will be included. before starting our conversation, i suggest watching the video of the consequences of shelling by the russian occupiers of kherson, again. the russians shell kherson and suffer again people, let's see, i'm a wife, i think, a person, well, as if there were targets there, this is how it looked, armored glass was standing, uh, such, it turns out that the armor did not hold up.

god, what a hit there was, well, i think so, from my words it was recorded correctly, i was in the kitchen, he is still, you can see it is a pit, it passed by me, it rustled in the house, i was sitting in the house rustled, and then there was a sound like that , and i'm straight. i think that's it, the windows, that's it, that's it,

and i suggest you watch another video of how f. drone of the wing to hell unit of the lviv 103 separate tro brigade in the kupyansk direction destroys the tor anti-aircraft missile complex worth about 25 million dollars. let's see.

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at 8:30 a.m., as a result of a car explosion , the so-called deputy, the so-called supreme soviet, lpr filiponenko mykhailo yurievich was eliminated. previously, it was said that he was involved in the organization of executions on occupied territories of luhansk region, where prisoners of war and civilian hostages were subjected to inhumane torture. filiponenko himself personally brutally tortured people. the special operation was carried out by huriv residents together with representatives of the resistance movement. well, mr. major, we see another one. a collaborator who was blown up in a car and a person who mocked ukrainians , killed ukrainian servicemen, tortured in the torture chambers of the so-called lnpr, and it is clear that the destruction of such collaborators is part of the work of our

special services, how do you think such actions affect special operations and destruction of those who continue to collaborate with the russian occupiers. well, you know, well, first of all, they, these enemies, collaborators and traitors, they, well, all of them must be neutralized, because they are enemies, and enemies must be destroyed during war, i think that these are the people who, who are subject to destruction, first of all, there are certain, i think, such, well, even lists in the security service of ukraine, in the main intelligence agency, and well, when there are opportunities, i think that a lot of such operations are being prepared, when there is an opportunity for this person , neutralize it are neutralized, that is, here, well, we can say that it is again, thank ours , the main intelligence department, i think there were also people from the special operations forces involved,

because this is not exactly an intelligence operation, it is more of a sabotage operation, so i think that these people were also involved, well, what can such people think about, who was destroyed today, the last name, i don't even remember it, i don't want to remember it, i think that they are all beginning to understand , which sooner or later gets to them, well, there is another collaborator, i saw him today speech from kherson, this is salda, well, the last name, you see, some of them were remembered, he is planning there, he is asking the russian federation to help evacuate people from kherson, which, as he says, the russian federation decided to come to us, he says that we need to rest there, well, a lot of fools, he says something, but i just watched how he moves his hands, how they run, etc., then i understand that he feels that soon

they will reach him, that is, it is for sure that it is morally wrong to undermine their morale is not so high, and if the enemy is...' scared and will walk, well, look around, well, this will only disorganize them, by the way, by the way, mr. major, today saldo was sentenced to 15 years in prison in odesa, for the fact that he collaborates with the russian occupiers in absentia this condemnation, yes, we adopted, yes, changes were adopted that it is possible to condemn in absentia, it is very good that such decisions were made, it concerned yanukovych as well, and he was almost the first person to be sentenced in this way in absentia, well, the only thing that it is surprising that it has been there for 15 years it's softer, what he was given in mitigation, well, arguments or defense, well, there

were probably lawyers there and why, what the court took into account, it's just interesting, because for the same it's life imprisonment, and if there's something there are nuances, then i would like to, no, it’s normal, that is, i don’t want the court to make a wrong decision, they definitely relied on certain evidence of both the defense and the prosecution, but what were mitigating factors, well, it’s just interesting, well, because i have a judgment, well, when i read, taking into account you there, and then they have to say these words, i wish maybe someone heard, or i read that what advantages were credited to him, well, it's not fundamental, but i think it's too early. will we catch him sooner or later, it's easier for him, it will be better for him to surrender , maybe there after udo, somehow in 12 years it will work out, because if he flees to the russian federation, well, he has already seen what is happening, well, he is there too will get it, it is easier for him, i think that he will come to this opinion sooner or later, mr. major, general

zaluzhnyi announced the transition of the russian-ukrainian war to a positional one, that is, a trench one, what this means for the front and what this means for the strength of ukraine, not in a trench, in a positional position, in a blind corner, that is, everyone, it is by and large, well, you know, when we say the same phrases, then... a lot, and this, and they are more or less specific, more or less , even an ordinary phrase is perceived by people from other professions, from other specialties, well, not quite in the way that the person who said it meant, there are, well, they are, well , not military terminology, well, it is used in the armed forces, that is positional war, positional war in our country, it's trench warfare, it's nothing, it's not trench warfare, it, it means that significantly advance our weapons... the forces can't, because there, well, more on that a little later, and the russians can't do the same, but they will

there are constant counter-battles, this is a positional war, this is not a trench war, these are slightly different things , each of the sides will try to seize, win back some part of the territory, what is a dead end, what was meant, a dead end, cat , a cat again, a dead end is when we, having the forces and means that in we are not capable of these forces and means in the form in which our army is now, and with those capabilities, to significantly advance in destroying the enemy and liberating our territory, i don’t even want to say that why, why is this happening, there is not enough this, that, we have all heard this many times, but there are still fewer of us, there are fewer of us, that is, it is altogether strange that we somehow try to advance, attack the enemy, who surpasses us both in manpower, and in technology, in everything else, but we are making progress, but you know when it is being prepared

combat order, for example, for offensive actions, then such forces, such means, that is, we have to calculate it, the commander, well, not to mention the command, the commander of the unit, here he is, and what opposes, opposes such an enemy, well and , if the enemy is much stronger, then you understand that it is possible not to give such an order at all. because this, well, it can end badly, or you understand that there will be promotions, but they will be 100% non-existent. zaluzhnyi says that today the forces and means we have are not capable of breaking through such a powerful defense the russians, whom they built, by the way, both british intelligence and american intelligence, there are various war research institutes, they say that they slightly underestimated the fortifications that the russians built, underestimated the importance of such dense mining for defense. which were built by the russians, therefore, we cannot do, there is nothing, there is nothing, not that we cannot

, there is nothing, there are no people, there are no means, in order to make a substantial advance there 20-30 km behind day, or even just 20-30 km per day, we advanced 17 km in 5 months, and this is already a feat, this, this is one side, the other side is the russian federation, they have much more than everything, but thanks to our modern equipment, modern tactics, thanks to the courage of our... military personnel, the russians also, having an advantage, a multiple advantage, the russians cannot advance and capture some territories, well, there is a non-essential ironing in some areas, this is what was meant by the phrase deadlock, that is, neither side can achieve any significant advantage on battlefield, and that is why the positional struggle for small sections of the front began for a small advance, this is, firstly, this is not betrayal and not everything is a dead end. corner, well, what is a cat, and secondly, a positional war is not a trench

war, it is a completely different meaning, which in his words, in all, well, in interviews, in these publications, he had in mind the merits, just well, why did you interpret people like that, some , well, it is unknown, that’s why, but the zaluzhny didn’t say it so that, well, everything is bad and he seems to almost want to remove responsibility from himself, or there will overwhelm us all. no, he said that in order to do something, well, not something, but in order for us to further liberate the territory, we need to do the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, then we will get out of this impasse, kuta, then we will stop the positional war that exists today, and then we will be able to drive the enemy out of our territory more quickly, and for this we need, far away, well, that is, everything is there, everything is calculated and that is all about what has been said in the voice, as they say, that's why i don't know, this is some kind of reaction to

the president, oh, to the president, well, listen, what fainting, for the commander of our armed forces, here to people, just here to people who, who do not like what we are not , are advancing frivolously and say about it, well , first of all, we constantly hear about the fact that battles are going on, well, in the direction of takmav, once again, we have advanced 17 km in 5 months, we, we fought very well, it is surprising that we advanced, but this is a small distance, well, this is the first, for those who there is something, to whom something is not, secondly, it was said by our military and political leadership that many people, analysts, specialists, that the war is unlikely to be over, even next year, most likely it will continue for another year, and most likely two more years, and everyone agreed to this, and after that, well, if you agreed, i'm sorry, well somehow, well, i don't at all

, that nothing happens if we all calmly agreed that the war will last two years. so this means, take a ruler, measure how many kilometers you need to cover in two years in a day in order to get to the line, to the borders of our country within the 91st year, that is, we agreed that it will be slow, that it will be long, but the fact that we are advancing slowly, i will tell you about it in my voice, or they will start to annoy me, well, dear, it is, well, either a cross, or, well, we know it, i don’t want to repeat it, sorry for the emoticons, well, it’s just strange, very strange, just a strange reaction. i agree, i completely agree and i completely share your emotions about how zaluzhny's words are perceived, we will follow what zaluzhny says, we will understand the real situation that is developing on the russian-ukrainian front, thank you for the inclusion, it was a major of the national guard ukraine is in reserve, oleksiy hetman, and we

are working with our correspondent in brussels , tatiana vysotska. tatiana, congratulations, congratulations, sergey, greetings from brussels. thank you, today the european commission said that negotiations with ukraine regarding ukraine's accession to the european union are recommended. that is, ursula funderlaijen says that today is a historic day. the final decision on the start of such negotiations will be made in december, as far as i understand what is currently being said in the political sidelines of the european commission regarding accession of ukraine to the eu and regarding the prospects, well, it is meant, regarding how quickly ukraine will overcome this distance of negotiations and before joining the european union, and what is the mood in general in eurokisia and among the representatives of the eu member states?

well, the mood is generally positive, because today is a really historic day, the european commission recommended to the european council to start negotiations with ukraine on the issue of joining the european union, but nevertheless it should be emphasized that the decision of the european commission is not a decision at all, these are recommendations, decisions in the european union is accepted by the european council, it is a summit of the leaders of all eu member states, and unanimously all 27 leaders of the eu states must decide in december, from december 14 to 15 this year, whether they give a signal for permission to: open negotiations on ukraine's accession to the eu . but the question is that even if the leaders of the eu member states make such a decision in december and ukraine is supposedly given the green light, before the negotiations begin, ukraine must still complete the seven steps, seven reforms, obligations knitting to fulfill, which she took in 2022 in

june, when she received the status of a candidate for membership in the european union. at once the european commission stated that ukraine has completed only four of these seven reforms and three remain, in fact, two of which are key - de-oligarchization and the fight against corruption, and the third reform - bringing the legislation on national minorities of ukraine into compliance with european legislation and, in particular, with recommendations of the venice commission of the council of europe, that is, before the negotiations begin, ukraine still has a lot of work to do. and a report of the european commission is planned about this, about the work done by ukraine, the next similar report, similar to the one we had today, and it is planned already for march 2024, that is , it is more realistic that ukraine will start negotiations on joining the eu already

in the spring of 2024, which is true, today i spoke on the condition of anonymity with representatives of european council officials, they said that everything is decided... the leaders of the member states of the eu members, and if there is political will, if the leaders come to a certain consensus, it can change and the negotiations may start earlier, but for now i am in the european parliament, a meeting of the european parliament committee was held today, the relevant european commissioner was also present regarding eu enlargement, and european deputies are already talking about the fact that the negotiations will begin in the spring of 2024 year, but we will...' the european union summit in december and let's see what it will lead to, what decision the leaders of the eu states will make. and if the european council does not make such a decision regarding the beginning negotiations with ukraine, then everything will go back to the european commission again, we will be tested again, well, like the external examination before entering a university, absolutely exactly, absolutely exactly, that is, then

in march the european commission will again make a new report similar to today's and everything will start over again and will be issued for the next summit of eu leaders. a few months ago, it was said that ukraine's path to the european union could stretch until 2030. we know how turkey tried to join the european union, this path began in 1987 year, and since the founding of the eu, turkey has been very active about this union, and has made a lot of curtseys to this union, but in 2016 turkey, the negotiations with turkey about joining stopped because the turks were accused of violating the rights person and there is no supremacy, rights there, is the european union considering the possibility of accelerated accession of ukraine to the eu, because being in the status of a candidate there for 20 years for

ukraine and for ukrainians in the current situation is enough, it seems to me, a lot. here just today at the meeting of the committee of the european parliament, european deputies, friends of ukraine asked this question, what is good, the negotiations will begin, this issue is already almost resolved, but when will they end? and she also gave an example not only of turkey, but for example of the baltic states and poland, which completed similar conflicts in three or four years, because then there was a political will for it, and despite the fact that neither the european union nor these states were ready for admission, they were still accepted, therefore, in fact, it is the same here in kuluary they say that everything depends on political will , on what decision the leaders of the largest european union states will make, and what will lead other states to this decision, that is , it is important for ukraine now that it is important for ukraine to show that it really wants to make reforms, because we the rest are the most important reforms, the fight against corruption, this is the most important thing in ukraine now, the fight against the influence of oligarchs

on society, this is also very important, and just as soon as ukraine demonstrates that it really wants to fight corruption, then, i am convinced, and just today i spoke with several european deputies, they are also convinced that ukraine can become a member quickly, if it will. it is true to carry out reforms, but if this does not happen, then there will be 20 years of victory. thank you tetyana, it was tetyana vesutska, our correspondent in brussels. friends, i remind you that we are conducting a survey for the continuation of this program, we are asking you about whether it is necessary to criticize the government during the war, yes, no, please vote for us on youtube, and you can also vote by phone lines, yes, phone number 0800-211-381, no, 0800, 11382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, then we have

a politician, a public figure and a vice prime minister in contact minister of european integration of ukraine in 205, oleg rybachuk, mr. oleg, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. to each other, congratulations, today, as ursula fonder said, is a historic day, and she also spoke about how ukraine did its homework and how it did it, let's listen to what she said. ukraine did it, i was there over the weekend and was able to verify over 90% of the necessary steps we outlined last year in our report, just to give you an idea. major progress has been achieved in the field of constitutional justice, in the reform and selection of the supreme council of justice , the anti-corruption program, the fight against corruption in important measures to curb oligarchs in public life, and there is also progress regarding national minorities and the adoption of a new media law. on this basis

, we recommended today that the european council should start accession negotiations. we also we recommend that the eurocouncil approve the framework for the negotiation process, only for ukraine to implement the current reforms. mr. oleg, on the eve of the publication of this information, it was not about 90%, of course, the completed homework, but more precisely it was four out of seven, four points out of seven, that is four out of seven, is this a lot or a little for joining the european union and for starting a conversation about joining the european union, and why these three requirements that were in this playlist of the european union were not fulfilled, although when they announced to us when we received the status of a candidate with these conditions, i remember very well what the ukrainian authorities said, and what a question, we will do everything in three months, what's up with everyone?

conditions, and it is simply important to remind, because again about expectations, i have already heard from our prime minister, that we will pass this stage of negotiations in two, maximum three years, and i remember the 2005 sample , when i told the ukrainian truth, in my opinion, leshchenko was then a correspondent, that i think that this is the orange team, we will be in three years european union, he laughed at me for a long time: he even noted it in his book, so i would like to talk about it, it is not a question of how much we have accomplished, it is clear that a political decision has been made and we will start, well, not now, but at the extreme , we will start negotiations in the spring, the issue is different, before i convinced president yushchenko to create the position of vice prime minister for european

integration, i studied the polish experience for two years, very briefly. why did the poles succeed, because you referred to poland there as a country that in three or four years passed this distance, the poles made a very effective mechanism, i studied this mechanism for two years, i took yushchenko to warsaw, gave him a presentation, i was sure that we would also succeed in this way, what is the essence of the polish experience, for the parliament there was a short path for laws to europe, that is, the polish parliament of those times knew perfectly well that all european integration laws follow the green line, are adopted out of turn, and regardless of whether it is the government or politics, it is accepted by the entire parliament, that is what the short path to europe was called, the executive power, because here the overwhelming majority problems in the executive power, the executive power created such a committee on european integration, well, a committee on european integration , very young people joined this committee, the average age there is up to 30, they recruited students and

myself poles... that they needed young people , who would believe in this european perspective , who would come to the civil service for the first time and would be fans of the european future, this committee, he served as a secretariat for whom, for the prime minister, and maybe the vice prime minister, i then tried in ukraine to create something similar, how they worked, once every week, once a week the polish government met, the committee prepared the agenda, and every minister in this government reported on what was done in a week, i repeat, in a week, in order for poland to get closer to to the desired result, i tried to make this model and adapt it to ukrainian realities, but the trouble was very cruel, before that i talked to the president, i asked the president, well , at least, i didn't know how it would be then, well, although would be done there once a quarter or once a month,

we had such a practice that i started when there was a joint meeting of the cabinet of ministers with the president of ukraine on particularly important issues, and i was then with yulia tymoshenko as the prime minister, i was sure that we would work like this, but i was brutally broken. because eight of my reports to yulia tymoshenko to get together as a team at least once, my two meetings with the vice prime minister at president yushchenko's, we talked about anything, but not about european reforms, and the formula that yushchenko... tymoshenko supported , every time we had a meeting, we didn't talk, y we have a whole vice-prime minister for european integration, but if we don't make such a mechanism, we don't have one now, so we won't have a short path to europe. well, let's listen to another president, volodymyr zelenskyi, because he has already responded to the decision of the european commission, what the president of ukraine said. and already in december we

expect. a political decision from the european council. ukrainians have always been and are part of our common european family. our country should be in the european union. ukrainians deserve this and their protection of europeans values ​​and the fact that even during a full-scale war we keep our word by developing state institutions. we make all the necessary decisions. thank you all. who helps among the countries that are in the european union, and that have claims against ukraine , well, the first is hungary, because prime minister orbán and his administrative services say that they demand that ukraine cancel the law that obliges minorities to receive at least 70% of education in the ukrainian language, it is clear that orban...