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and we will continue the conversation from the moment that the president mentioned yesterday, this will be a historic day, it was a historic day yesterday, the report of the european commission, and now we will talk with the former vice-prime minister from the era of european integration, nor the people's deputy of ukraine, ivana klympush tsintsadze is in touch with us, mrs. ivano, congratulations, glory glory to ukraine, heroes, i congratulate you, the historic decision of the european commission, so called, and it means that the european commission recommends starting negotiations on ukraine's accession to the eu. about the procedure itself, we will ask you a little later, i just wanted to ask a basic question , first of all, to understand the two countries that the european commission recommended, one way or another , have occupied, uncontrolled territories, these are moldova with transnistria and this is ukraine with a temporary occupied territories. is there any practice, is there any algorithm of the european union for expansion. on those countries that have territories

occupied and uncontrolled? well, i would like to take this opportunity to really congratulate us on the fact that we have this victory, we have been coming to it for at least 10 years since the beginning of the revolution of dignity, and this is really a serious new step in relations with the european union, and we hope that he will continue with the decision of the european council already in december . as far as practice is concerned and as far as... whether there are any precedents in the european union, well, during the heat of war, uh, obviously there are no such precedents for someone, any country to enter into european union, but i would like to note that a lot of things are actually happening in the experience of ukraine for the first time, and it is important to understand that there is such a serious geopolitical sub in general in

the settings and understanding and approaches to expansion on the part of the european union, and this is exactly what happened after full-scale invasion of russia against ukraine, and this happened when the european union made a decision for itself to grant both us and moldova candidate status already in june of last year, but there is experience that countries that have territorial claims or have e well, the territories that are either occupied or under dispute are parts of the european union, so the european union certainly has some experience in this context, but look, mrs. ivano, it looks like something to us, well, there is serbia, there are its original lands, some of the states recognized these lands as a separate state of kosovo, some did not, including... ukraine, and there

is a very similar case, then they run to kiss putin, then they again consider european integration, as in the case of serbia, and kosovo separately, or together, the same, this experience and can this scheme be applied to ukraine or not? i don't think that this is exactly the example that we should take as a basis for ourselves, well, in particular, due to the fact that really more... countries of the european union at the moment have recognized kosovo as an independent state, and, that is, there we have a slightly different situation, and it is obvious that kosovo will not be able to join the european union until all the member countries of the european union recognize, recognize its independence as a separate state, yes, that is, here we, you and i understand that this the situation is slightly different, but it is, for example, about the situation... in cyprus it is about the fact

that such examples, when a part of the territory is considered occupied and is, is the territory. claim to other countries from the side of the member countries of the european union, it is this experience. ms. ivavanna, we have our own history here with who recognizes what and who does not recognize what, but the hungarians, after we gave them a road map on how to resolve disputes regarding national minorities, they have now come up with a new idea, and but the head of the ministry of foreign affairs of hungary sierto said no will we be able to get into the union during the war, but there is no question about it at all, because we do not have freedom of speech and we do not hold elections now, that is, from the stroke of an idea, a concept, why not, why only deny it, they find phenomenally quickly and, and that, and they will do it in the future, that is, if we solve one problem, then they will come up with something else, come up with something else

, please tell us what to do with hungary, because we understand that it is not only a problem of brussels, somehow agreeing with them, but also we need to work with hungary, and i would rather probably said that this is not only our problem, but also the problem of brussels and washington, and, well, due to the fact that hungary is not only a member of the european union, but it is also a member of the north atlantic alliance, and therefore . methods of influencing its members so that, well, it was not appropriate to repeat to anyone, such

the way that hungary is going today, and therefore our interaction is definitely needed here , we conduct it, we conduct this dialogue, but we must also clearly understand that in reality hungary is not at all interested in a constructive dialogue, she, we can, you know, for sure , everyone switch to the hungarian language in ukraine, this will still not be enough for hungary to believe that we do not oppress national minorities, this actually has nothing to do with the real, with the real situation with national minorities, if you if you go to transcarpathia, and i know this region well, you will communicate with ukrainians of hungarian origin. there, they will definitely not tell you that their rights are being oppressed in any way at all and that they have problems with self-realization, rather on the contrary, not knowing the ukrainian language, they cannot realize themselves in other parts of ukraine, outside of bereghiu the district

, for that matter, or the berehiv community, which today is quite large there, and therefore you and i must understand that this is how we have a dialogue to continue, we have to do everything that needs to be done within the framework of international law, but at the same time we have to convey to every member of the other member of the european family, the european community that ukraine has done everything necessary on its part, and hungary's wishes or manipulations must be stopped there, with side of the european union itself. and here it is necessary to look not only for those financial instruments that the european union uses today when it restricts hungary's access to certain financial instruments, well, financial instruments that

were, for example, given to other countries in the framework of covid, and hungary was deprived of them precisely because it violates, indeed it itself violates, the rules, european approaches in the area of ​​the rule of law, in the area of ​​freedom of speech, so here we have serious serious problems with by hungary itself and with its observance of basic political freedoms, basic political copenhagen criteria of the european union. mrs. ivan, thank you for your comment, in ivan klympushsa, people's deputy, in the past ex-vice prime minister for the euro and euro-atlantic integration, and i i actually think that nothing will happen without a peace agreement. on paper it will be, in reality no, in reality no, but there is already a lot of news about hungary today, well, relatively fresh, here is what should have been expected, the european commissioner for finance, johannes hahn, says that hungary alone will not be able

to block this tranche of increasing the eu budget, in particular, in order to allocate to ukraine this large package of 50 billion euros for four years, accordingly, the european parliament will also work to somehow resolve the situation, in fact, the case that i was talking about, that not only we have to work with that, but... on its part, it is also doing some good, it was such a beacon, i understand it to fitz, who had time yesterday, the government, the new fitz government, so that they didn't have time to make even more fools, they blocked what the previous government had decided, i.e. concrete aid to ukraine, and this also applied to gods and everything, remember, it seems to me that they are sending such signals, there we are here, we , we don't know how to block here, comrade fitso is helping, by the way, it still applies yes: otherwise, this is their russophilism, i decided so that, if our viewers

have already had a normal breakfast, then we can already tell them the news from the so-called temporary, well , it’s called the russian federation temporarily, it’s here, they give the news themselves, i ’ll leave it to you i will share with you the initiative of the vice prime minister denys manurov, who offered to work with the mentality of the russians, you know what they worked on, tell me, to teach them. mukh, well, it has now received a new, now even legislative design, it turns out that now at the request of the russians billionaires, the government in october established a new order, breeding flies, a black lioness, now they will make sausages from those flies, here are the interesting initiatives of the russian government, against the background of import substitution, listen to what we can talk about, if... what is there

people are sold, well, in my opinion, just for pennies, they are ready to change everything, but it is already known who leaked the coordinates of askold's location, for which we of course thank you, we will remind askold that it was no longer possible to swim and shoot, it did not swim , it hasn't even floated yet, not anymore will float thanks to our special services, so the commander of another russian ship simply took and leaked the coordinates , as it was agreed by our special services, so the captain, the captain, that for 1000 dollars he would provide this information, well, they did not agree for 1000, for 1500, imagine what a relatively small sumetan of the same missile ship ingushetia, this captain who fired at us with calibers, that is, the one who had already shot at our citizens in the rear cities, he handed over another captain and the exact coordinates in 15 times, and the skolda near

dry dock in a quagmire, well, it’s good that minus two captains, because we dealt with one ship, and with the other, with the one who drained, they will surely deal with it themselves and we won’t even have to waste time on it, efforts, no resources, we wish victory to both old men, so good, in the meantime, we will add to the conversation the head of the communications department of the national police of the donetsk region oleksandr havrylko, in touch with us, ms. oleksandr, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, i congratulate you too, how do you look like the extreme ones for several days, you see that, as they say, the eastern flank of our front looks like, we have a difficult situation, in principle, as always, constant shelling, we are documenting the consequences of shelling both in the avdiiv direction and in the bakhmut direction,

in toretsk, in the last day, unfortunately, we have lost people, two civilians died in different cities, and if we take a day later, then a whole family died there, three people in the direction of velikonovosilkiv, in the village of bogatyr. therefore, unfortunately, shelling continues, people continue to die the most terrible thing in the war, and we, in turn , the police, our evacuation groups of white angels, continue to work in all directions, and carry out compulsory evacuation, and also carry out compulsory evacuation, which concerns children. madam, oleksandra, we know that various pre-trial investigations

are ongoing, specifically in the donetsk regional prosecutor's office, regarding criminal proceedings based on the facts of violations of customs, laws, rules, any war, and we know that there are simply a huge number of such violations, we are different from the russians already expect we cannot, please tell us how these war crimes are recorded in your region, is it easy or difficult to do , do local people help, or do local people actually support, contribute to finding out more information, discover some new facts, suggest something, maybe i declare myself. is fixed in such a way that when shelling of any nature occurs where there is damage, or infrastructure, or damage, to the homes of civilians, or there is injury to people or to the death

of local residents of civilians, to the place events, an investigative team is called. we have investigative and operational groups specially created to record the consequences of shelling, that is, there are investigators , criminologists who already have experience in collecting the consequences of russian crimes, we have to work at the scene, in addition to gathering, in addition to collecting all evidence, we still have to provide help to people who have suffered or are in a situation where our help is needed under the rubble, we always cooperate in connection, let's say, with other structures, this is the prosecutor's office, this is the security service, this is necessarily the state service for

emergency situations and everyone is doing their own thing, i will tell you this, we really have a lot of experience, the donetsk region, the donetsk region has a lot of experience in investigating war crimes, because it has been going on since 2014, now we really understand it, the specifics have changed , now a lot of people are dying, and the scale that is happening now, this too, needs to be taken into account, so... when there are mass shellings, where there are several e- eh, several eh houses, big ones, multi-apartment buildings, civil infrastructure, etc., where there are fires, there is a certain algorithm of actions, and each police officer is marked with

this, with this algorithm, the house of actions is marked, and we operate completely according to this scheme, everyone has their own tasks, we also work paramedics, this is a new unit that was created by her in response to the call of war, that is, we understood that ambulances cannot always come to those places where there is shelling, so for this we need paramedic groups, specifically the police, where i will be... provide assistance, mostly this civilians, but it also happens that we also provide assistance to the military, but mrs. oleksandro, i wanted to ask you, these are two short questions, we are with your colleagues, including those who work, as the crews of the white angels have already said more than once, and they quite often they told that it is necessary to persuade in

several stages, sometimes for evacuation, sometimes it is necessary to arrive empty-handed. talk and go back, then go back again and re-convince what it looks like now, since the intensity has increased, including, we can see the number of dead, civilian and wounded, how is it now easier to communicate, as they say, to agree more quickly? i can't say that it's easier, i can't say that they agree faster, there are just different situations, it really happens that people ... wait for us a lot, they call us, call us, and they wait a lot and get together very quickly, because they understand how dangerous the situation is, but there are people who, in principle, have already decided everything for themselves, you know, decided that we will not leave and no matter how much you come to them, no matter how much you

communicated, did not communicate, it is very, very difficult to convince. mother, but, but all the same, i am often asked exactly how you do it, why, and you know, sometimes even we do not understand why, we understand that people are so used to being at home , they believe, like every person, that their home, their house, their apartment is like a fortress, it will protect them from everything that is there, when you are at home, you don't need money, you don't need anything, there is some vegetable garden there, there i will survive, nothing will happen to me here, and it. the biggest, the biggest such lie

that a person tries to impose on himself, so our, our duty is to show people examples, to explain that, listen, it does not happen that this will happen to someone, but not to me, on unfortunately, unfortunately, we see a lot of examples where children die where we come. we record it on video, the communication of the mother who does not want to leave, she screams, she says that you are all wrong here, i know what my child needs, you want to evict me, well , that is, the person is trying to do something, yes, get the wrong idea, and then the next day a shell comes and kills this little child, and the mother stays alive, eh, so these are terrible cases, terrible, which, our job is to prevent them, we do a lot of

prevention, even if we understand that the family there refuses, we still visit, inform, maybe this family is in some informational vacuum, you know, they have no internet, no communication, and we are trying to dream what is happening with you here around in the village that sometimes it works, when you come and say listen, you are the only ones left here, you understand, alone, and with you our task is to make sure nothing happens to you, and when they hear that everyone, all the children have already left, everyone parents agreed, and they understand that we also need to think like that, prepare and everything, now we already have... what, this is our fourth, fourth wave of forced evacuation, in different directions it started with a bang, then later switched to

bakhmutsky district, then to maryansky, krasnogov direction, there are no more children there, and now this is the fourth wave of forced evacuation, which has taken hold of several communities in krasny. communities, several okhered communities and then the entire tserets community , well, in the turensk direction, we currently have the most active evacuation, there are many settlements that no longer have children, both new york and the northern ones, and now we are already working on the city itself and the surrounding territories, i can tell you that we currently have 124 children left, that is, the turkish community, in the city of toretsk itself, there are 84 children, this is really

a lot, i’ll tell you, it’s really a lot, yes, mrs. oleksandr, we have the last minute, just tell me, please, how are you now on this, on the turkish direction, on other directions, there were cases when rusnia hunted white crews angels, in turkish... there is no deliberate shelling in the direction to try to eliminate the crews, we have 30 seconds literally, so i understand, i will tell you that this whole story, it really continues, we are constantly preparing for this, and our crews are constantly come under fire, it's true, uh thank you oleksandra havrylko, head of the communications department of the national police of the donetsk region, thank you for. conversation and for all the work that you are doing, for saving those families and those children that you care for, by the way, regarding the evacuation, gur published

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