in euros for four years, why? because hungary wants to get the money that has been blocked due to its problems with democracy , from the post-covid recovery funds, pan-european, hungary will not receive them , and they are important for orbán in principle, so he is creating this kind of scheme until you give us the money, european, we will croak for russian money. i think that since february 24, the prime minister , excuse me, the minister of foreign affairs of hungary, has already been to moscow several times, i think four times, then, peter szijjártó, then, i think that agreements on the supply of energy resources are, in any case, russian , because they are usually closed, that is, there is secret... information about the volumes, about the price,

etc., therefore, they use it with russia, as an element of flirting with russia, as an element of positioning oneself in relations in the european space. evgeny, but look, evgeny , this is not only about money, for which both orbán and his entire cabinet of ministers are so greedy, we see that this story is with all kinds of imperial na...' in a scarf with a big hungary, then with statements, which border on such easy fascio , the one that peter szijarto allows himself when he comments on the transcarpathian, ukrainian, hungarian community and the law on education, but it is not only that, look, they are historically all the time, now we are just in this have added to this list, all the time they have some kind of complaints against their neighbors, fresh information

, slovakia, where it seems that another orban appeared, only in the form of a prime minister, according to the results, slovakia is simply shocked by activity of hungarian spies on their territory, this actually on the portal of journalistic investigations , today i will make this information public, and there have always been claims to bratislava, and there was no talk of russian gas or brussels money, in general, what is being done with this government of hungary, europe. union, which has claims to the right, to the left, including ukraine. well, there is the well-known trianon trauma, when after the first world war, 3/4 of hungary at that time, they went to other countries, and this trauma remains until now, this trauma is especially strongly felt by viktor orbán, it must be said, and he therefore behaves exactly in this way, there is nothing in it.

by the way, there is nothing strange about slovakia either, because fico only recently became the prime minister, and accordingly it is quite difficult to curtail any intelligence activity on the territory of slovakia, which hungary can now consider friendly, although in fact, it is a paradox when the spies of one nato country and the eu, spy against another country, members of nato and the european union, i am more interested in this sense. another thing, what about the hungarian spies in transcarpathia and in general the entire territory of ukraine? something, to be honest, not long ago nothing was heard in this sense, because i think that any counterintelligence revelations, they play in favor of bilateral relations, because when the state shows its teeth in relations with such orbans, it shows its more a strong position, it is in principle beneficial.

sir, one more short question, because unfortunately time runs very fast, do you think brussels will be able to invent something, create some mechanism to block hungary from any aid and support to ukraine calm down, and even if they shout there that no, we don't agree, we don't form a bigger budget, we don't allocate so much money to ukraine, despite that, they will work exactly as planned, hungary. ukraine as a competitor, therefore it will cling to its position and seek support among the countries , at least the visegrad four, well , bulgaria, romania, that is, among the neophytes of the european union, so we need both the visegrad four and the bucharest nine, it is possible with the bucharest nine by the way, if we don't want to be with the visegrad four, to talk about the fact that we need their support, we should reach out, not just criticize... orban and his orbanov

mother, you see, we should talk about things that resonate in the hearts of local voters, throughout european politics, they are sensitive to voters , and orbán is no exception, he won the parliamentary elections in april 2022 with the thesis that he would not allow ukraine to be drawn into, sorry hungary, ukraine's war with russia, and he is using this very actively today , and we also need to take this into account, and in fact, i am actually chasing the same topic of the question, it is normal when hungary, being a member of the european union, being a member of nato, pursues such a policy, i am talking about whether there are any internal, perhaps unwritten rules, it is something like etiquette,

the one that fits and the one that doesn't fit, even if there is a cap, a cap, as you like, and when they communicate directly with russia, shake hands and love it terribly, is it possible. if it is possible at all to talk about hungary in that regard about morality, aspects of some such unwritten rules diplomatic etiquette. you know, no matter how many rules of etiquette are written, but, as world history shows, there is never a shortage of people who want to hang out at scatartyna at a banquet, so a complex is needed here. actions, and i think that these actions will be implemented in the near future, because the european people 's party, which, by the way, are political opponents of orbán, is interested in winning the elections to the european parliament, and it is going to them with the thesis of expansion of the european union, due to which the corresponding

curtseys were distributed to ukraine, moldova, georgia and bosnia-herzegovina, and accordingly this is the responsibility not only of ukraine , but also of our european parties, that is, the european people's party of the leadership of the current european union, it is also necessary to pay attention to this, mr. ivan, we must say goodbye already, but say one word, because also one word in fact, the candidate for the presidency of the united states, vivek karamaswamy, said yesterday that he called names, lied and even called zelensky a nazi, i understand that it is an eternal whirlwind, but in principle, what are the chances of such freaks these elections, negative. that's all, we put a minus, thank you, mr. yevhen, yevhen magda, the executive director of the institute of international policy, explained to us the incident, orban, yes, we even had time to smile a little here,

because the two words do not go together in any way, orban and morality , once upon a time, mr. yevhen simply mentioned the fact that there is an opposition in hungary, it must be everywhere, even in hungary. whether people in the required number are ready to vote for this opposition, here we can see that half the people live in one city in in budapest, in the rest of the territory of hungary, in budapest we have seen considerable , absolutely decent protest actions, which are not satisfied with the politics of fidesz, orbán, or all these flirtations and trips of rasha of various sijarts, so in principle there are chances, but. let's run on, now we will talk about our internal ukrainian affairs, which we can solve , in fact, should we decide it ourselves in the end, for this we are adding to the conversation

yulia klymenko, people's deputy of ukraine, good day, mrs. yulia, good day, ms. julia, before we move on to the budget. after all, he wants to hear your opinion on the draft law, so the tax on the income of individuals, in particular from the military, was redistributed by law, voted in fact through the center and so on, and in this case, what is your vision, have they effectively found a mechanism for all , cheerful cobblestones, and those who decide whether it was the right way out or if it was necessary to go the other way, because the practice was different in different communities and in different local budgets, and now pdf is all under one hat, under one law. yes, yes, indeed, yesterday the 10.037th law was voted, which actually

does not apply to all vat, but to military vat, i.e. vat paid by military units assigned to the territory of the community. and, in some it was not evenly distributed in some communities, it reached there, for example, the military pdf for the period and they really put it there. already almost and up and down as much as possible in other communities, it has started where there are no military units, but actually, let me start by saying that next year, on the 24th, this redistribution will mainly be about , because this one the law will be in effect until the end of the 24th year, so next year we have a hole in the budget, it's 42 billion dollars, not hryvnias, dollars, because not a penny.

foreign funding of grants has not yet been confirmed, block grants are also blocked by slovakia, and they cannot be, well, grants and loans cannot be confirmed, because it does not function normally, not their, their, corps, so can the congress, therefore, actually moment in fact, i think that if this is how the situation will develop, and indeed we will not be able to get an external one funding in the amount we need for the next year, 42 billion dollars, is only the beginning of the redistribution of funds, since the salaries of the military are paid from the central budget and we understand that everything will go to payments, any of our income will go to payments, first for everything military, for weapons and for defense and security, this is our priority, and unfortunately... in this case , the rear will suffer the most, this is the situation,

that's why, that's why the redistribution, for now , this is the redistribution, i think that actually the first redistribution i think in '24 with that approach, the lack of external funding that has been confirmed so far, this is not the first and not the last redistribution , let me say so, ladies, so we are adding to our conversation your colleague, people's deputy of ukraine nina yuzhannina, ms. nina, we welcome you to our airwaves, congratulations, we are also in touch with you, your colleague yulia klymenko, and we have already started without you, but now we will definitely involve you to talk about yesterday's decisions regarding the military pdf, so we ask for your opinion on this topic, how good and wise it is decision at this moment, i heard what my mother said colleague yulia, and here i can only say one thing, with all that deficit and in general

what kind of framework law we adopted yesterday and the state budget for the 24th year, we have no right to make mistakes that will lead to an even worse state than is for today, and today the hall considered blocking resolutions on the draft law adopted yesterday, i do not accept the justification... of the actions of the deputies who voted for it, that everything should be concentrated in the center, because there are no resources, in fact, look, what even after that movement, let's analyze a specific example, the law was adopted with its effect from october 1, this means that now the treasury service of ukraine is blocking the distribution of pdf from october 1, because almost one and a half months have already passed, and during this period there were payments twice. military military security, which means that the tax is withheld and not distributed. first of all,

this is a direct violation of the budget code, which the treasury allows, because by not distributing the pdf now, they are making irreparable mistakes. this means that the pdf is delayed, and will be distributed from october 1 onwards directions that were adopted yesterday. it is 50/50, today the ministry of defense and the ministry of strategy and industry, but please tell us that we have a month and a half left until the end of the year, are you sure that these funds will be fully disposed of in a timely manner by the central government, the central government, this ministry, on what will this money go to and what goals will it go to, why talk about cobblestones and stadiums in the regions, if it is the same brick... instead of cobblestones, eggs, instead of stadiums, uniforms and all

the other violations that the central government allows, well, it is definitely necessary here continue to live supporting each other, finding a compromise with communities, well, how do you see that more than 160 communities have accepted an appeal to the verkhovna rada, find a compromise, talk with them, make more balanced decisions, and we did not pay attention to them, i received calls from three regions, they say, well, it can’t be that the central government says, and we ’re not interested in your opinion, it can’t be, even during the war, that we neglect the opinion of our own people, who hold this rear, not us in the pechersk papagorby we hold him, me this is the most surprising position, why we were not able to think about the prifont regions after all, look at the proportions , make a blocking, blocking procedure for spending funds, and in the end, leave

at least 10% on the ground so that they could complete the fortifications, which they started to do, in fact, in continuation, in principle, of this law, we can ask you, because you have seen this huge law, it is the main, financial law for the next year, that is , the budget, mrs. yuliyu, you start, mrs. nina, continue your analysis, as far as i have it the first question, we did not hold it in our hands, we only see framework figures that relate to the financing of defense, weapons, financing of social... expenditures on medicine, education, well, we see even separate articles for business support for demining, but these are framework figures , to what extent, tell us, is this budget realistic? well, let's go back to my previous comment, she said, i think that we, in the absence of external

funding, will be forced to revise it there literally already in february. and in march, it looks semi-realistic at the moment, but we must, here i support nina petrovna, must understand how this budget will be used, because the effectiveness of using money, what at the local level, what at the central level causes, for example, in my big questions, we have a lot of government functions that can be reduced at the moment of the war, or stop duplicating, it applies to infrastructure, it applies, i think, to absolutely all sectors, so strictly speaking, the question is not how much we allocate, ski what can we buy with this money, effectively for that purpose, that is, relatively speaking, for 1000 hryvnias you can buy either two drones or one drone, yes, and it will depend on how the ministry of defense will implement it,

what transparent procurement will be, this applies to the ministry of digital, state intelligence and ministry of strategy. many other bodies, the problem seems to be that we have these funds, how effective they are, the problem is that no one can actually control them properly, because there is no parliamentary control as such, public control as such is absent, because the numbers are hidden and closed. the media is absent both in the verkhovna rada and in the cabinet of ministers, that is, again, the media cannot analyze, as you correctly say, you see the general figures, and when you start going into each article... and see what is really there, are there salaries of bloated personnel that are absolutely not needed at the moment, is there a duplicative function, such as, for example, in ours, in our committee it is being discussed whether we need a separate naval fire service and the same service that is in border guards, yes, they duplicate each other, why do they eat millions every year

instead of spending 200 million on drones, and me. each department and sector can add many millions and billions of hryvnias, the problem of the efficiency of the state, what to clarify, you said that in february at the earliest, they will return to that budget to review whether there is already a concept, maybe even what exactly they will review, where implement changes so that next year is somehow there, make ends meet, it will concern and depend exclusively on whether we can get external: funding, there will be no external funding, we will have to cut many more articles, including at the local level, please specify what, what exactly will fly in the first place, well, you know, i can tell you this, the question of the ruling party, who will watch, and the minister of finance, who will have which articles and which will not, i would say that there is no way,

defense and security should definitely not intersect, social welfare definitely should, and then ... it is already necessary to cut, without which it is definitely possible during the war to live, i can give many such examples, i am sure that there are many control bodies that can be reduced, especially if, for example, we did not have inspections for two years, as much as four years, we received a salary both in the tax and in all control bodies, and so on further, you understand, that is, our efficiency is quite low , so we will realistically see in february whether we will see what kind of income we have, including external borrowing for 20 for the 24th year, and then i think we need to make decisions about what for what for leaving, for what cut, ms. nina, but i will ask you right away, look, we can see, as we say, that there are problems even with the receipt

of funds that have already been promised, but they go in tranches, not all of them arrive, some amounts are blocked, some somehow stop , is it correct in general to strategically write the budget to take into account external financial support, which is unknown whether it will be, that is, why exactly did you choose such a strategy to write the budget during the war? i think that we will generally live next year, what is called from the wheels, and will there be an adjustment of the budget in february or in march, everything will depend on the availability of these small loans, opportunities, agreements, which the minister of finance spoke about yesterday, he spoke about the fact that they have already started negotiations there with other countries. and these will definitely be some small amounts, but we will interrupt until we receive an answer regarding the

full support of 42 billion, which is currently planned in the budget, so what the minister of finance said is true, that the situation today more difficult, in the spring of the 24th year it will be more difficult than in the spring of the 22nd year, and this means a lot, and you are right, and i am now giving a description, i just don’t understand why yesterday, well, they talked so pathetically about the presented document, the state budget, as a self-sufficient document where everything is balanced, where everything is regulated and it meets the challenges of the present time , well, the truth is that society must be prepared for what i understand that we can provide... only the security and defense sector, and it is not necessary to say that we can provide social expenses, because if we have enough of

42 billion is only a third, then a third means that even if we completely stop paying the budget spheres, it will not be enough reduction to ensure payments for the armed forces, well , let's talk like adults, there's no need to hide everything, i'm just i don't understand, but yesterday, instead of everyone talking about real things and looking for mechanisms, because our government is now completely fixated on the president's office, we are in such a terrible situation, but we do not see a common opinion, a common responsibility, well absolutely, in this is us the strategy does not work, we are not israel, we are a special country in general, where everything is built on... personalities, but now the president is a personality, and he has grouped this entire atmosphere around himself, including the creation of such a document as the state budget, yesterday

people they vote, i look, but they see the real picture, all this inconsistency, summarize literally 10 seconds, because we have to say goodbye, that is, we have a lot of articles, but they will not be enough to avoid cutting all of you if the situation arises, that we will not have enough external borrowing, because we will not cover internal borrowing, which means we will simply start printing money and inflation will develop at a faster pace. thank you, thank you, people's deputies of ukraine, yulia klymenko and nina yuzhannina were with us, thank you for the conversation , roman and i also say goodbye, stay sheltered while the alarm lasts, take care of yourself, have a peaceful and safe day, and stay with espresso. tired of heavy and bulky forks, then the compact and powerful strong saw from unpack tv is just for you. now you have it easy

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we summarize the informational morning for ukraine, news in eter espresso, khrystyna parubiy works in the studio. a large-scale road accident in the poltava region, due to heavy fog on the kyiv-kharkiv highway, collided. more than 10 cars. the accident occurred between the villages of tsyganskyi and ryshitelivka of the poltava territorial community. as reported local media, due to poor visibility, cars flew at high speed into already damaged cars. currently , there is no information about the incident and the victims. ihor kolomoisky was kept in custody. his defenders petitioned for house arrest, but the court decided not

to change the previous ones. precaution. lawyers explain.