[000:00:00;00] they have been doing them for years, so that israel was carrying out some bombardment there, it could not solve this problem, and how, if israel will control the gaza sector, then even if some hamas members remain there, someone will sneak there and somewhere , it will no longer have such consequences, there will be no rocket attacks, there will be no such propaganda, which was there in those schools when children were there from childhood. were brought up in hatred of jews, and the only thing they dreamed of was to start igil at that time, that is, when igil was left without territory, when these former iraqi soldiers who were in charge of this mire were actually eliminated, and what remained were some, you know, ideological some sheikhs, well, in fact, igil has already stopped carrying such a threat, and so

has hamas itself... ha hamas he little by little, remaining in this territory, it degrades and turns into one of a large number of some warring islamist groups there. mr. vadim, the evacuation of ukrainians from the gas sector took place only this week, although we understand that the situation was and was becoming hotter by the day, literally, we couldn't achieve similar things like ours. partners, when we evacuate not only our citizens, but also their members, the speed of the reaction of the ukrainian state and the quality of this reaction to protect its citizens in this critical situation? well, the reaction of the state is the reaction of the state, but we see that the hamasites did anything to prevent the release of this peaceful population, which they actually held hostage, so even you see that the americans cannot do anything to

get your... citizens out of there, russians generally waved their hands on this matter, or despite the fact that they and hamas are there , kissing and actually being their henchmen, they don’t care about their citizens there at all, and a lot of russian bloggers even accuse them of this , well , they did what they could, and the family members of these ukrainian women, who left, got married. for the gas of the gaza arabs, well, it is good that they were able to get them out, because egypt does not approve of letting the residents of gaza into its territory, and hamas itself, is not in this in any way, interferes, in principle, if we talk about what is happening now with the time of israel's operation,

how much in israel for yours. last week, the statement of the president of the french republic, emmanuel macron, who said that israel should not kill civilians in gaza, women and children, was harshly answered by the prime minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu, who said that hamas was responsible for this killing, but we we remember that emmanuel macron was one of the first western leaders to come to israel on a solidarity visit, and when he arrived, there were no comments on israi, that the french president is changing. rhetoric, doesn't that mean that time is running out, we know how it happens, first france, then germany, and then at some point the united states, so what a time distance, well , we see that actually in power, that in france, in germany, and now in the united states, there are people who represent, let's say, the left political center, and that's why they always,

let's say, gravitated towards such, you know, well, let's somehow sit down, somehow israel something will be given to them, and for this somehow we will come to an agreement, and that is why even the harsh statements that were initially sounded, it is for macron and representatives of the entire left spectrum of europe, it even surprised the israelis, who are used to being blamed for everything , and well, we see these rallies and we know what kind of politicians... such as macron are there and maybe those who are a little to the left of him, well , arabs always vote, that's why this community is arab and this community the left, which succumbs to this, all palestinian rhetoric, to these fakes that they throw out about such, you know, the suffering of the palestinian people, which has been happening for not the first year, even before

the fear for them took hold, and they you on and on macron and on other deputies of the french and in america the same thing is happening and in england, we see who is occupying the empty mayor's office there, who is the mayor of london, who... the first minister of scotland and what what these countries are somehow trying to be a little bit objective, it's very difficult for them to do it europe, well, it fell into under this under this is the islamic factor and so am i i understand that it is very difficult for them to resist this, mr. vadim, how much, how much, how much time israel will need, well, israel, well, you know how russia is at the moment, to set a date and throw bodies, no one will stand, because israel is very, well , treats every life, very well, with such , you know, piety, this, well, it even follows from religion

, judaism, which treat life with great trepidation, you know, as and therefore we will, will do, you know, as quickly as possible, but how with less, with less, with less blood i yes, we see what, what the losses of israel of the army, well, how can you compare it with what is happening in davdiivka now, you know, it’s just like a police operation, it looks like an anti-terrorist operation, but mr. vadim, what successes have there been, at least at the level of agreements, regarding prisoners, or some dry, we had information that at least 100 to 100, such numbers appear in the public space, who this state wants to take away, and who... instead , i want to get hamas, well, what i heard was some kind of previous agreement, well, they see, there are some proposals, who are they

who nominates who supports, then they are canceled, what i heard was that they were going to exchange women and teenagers, pro-hamas, who are in israeli prisons for crimes, for women and children who have been committed, let's see, we hope that it will work out though although to start with this, let's say, uh, briefly, if possible , the west bank of the jordan river, how the situation looks like here, because, well, certain movements, israel also carried out in relation to the population that is here, well, israel, from the beginning of this, this war began very active, active actions on not our term, which we perceive and there are several very dangerous enclaves there, like jenin itself, where the eyes, groups and hamas and islamic jihad and so on are very active, there are a lot of them, they arise from time to time, there is a lion’s den, there

was such a thing, recently they were defeated by the israeli army, and preventive detentions immediately began, several hundred hamas militants were detained there, and that is why it was possible to maintain the situation in these territories, say, in those cities, although, well, there were hopes that the palestinian autonomy, they have there are power structures which as if they have to maintain order there, but on some days, even they, they took part in clashes with the israeli army, so it is a matter of their loyalty, you know, when they need them, they are loyal, and so they are there, to whom they are subordinate. sometimes it is not clear, well, i hope that it will be possible to contain the situation there, because there are quite significant forces operating there, and they may have stopped there, as even the first time

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15% in pharmacies traveller, bam and saving and we continue the saturday political club. thank you for being with us, as always, the second part of our program is devoted to a conversation with vitaliy portnikov, what about mr. vitaliy, i'm starting to cast a fishing rod and i really hope to catch, as always, quality thoughts from you, i'll start with your permission, from what she promised. viewers, let's take a little retreat, take a step back and return to the military situation in our country, which obviously still leads to what the russian federation is thinking, and wherever in the world to invade, buy out, or somehow get additional weapons for themselves, with egypt they allegedly even agreed to take away engines or some components for helicopters, which may indicate a desire to drag out hostilities as long as possible, because they are really

trying to find weapons everywhere they are, not strange their agreements with iran and north korea look like, by the way, we understand that this offensive near avdiyivka may be the result of real agreements between vladimir putin and kimchanin, why, in principle, i always say, khrystyna, that the war in ukraine, it leads to some kind of global upheaval, because we see by and large what is happening, vladimir putin , reckoning with those who give him weapons, the latest, let's say, some technologies, russian weapons, which may not be needed on the front of the war with ukraine, but can be given in signs on some other fronts , iran has strengthened, but we said, you know that this military cooperation with russia with iran, it can lead to stunning results in the middle east.

and it seems to me yesterday that i heard that the drone that fell in eilak, on the school in eilak, it could have been a shahet, and i kept asking my israeli colleagues, don't you think that the supply of drones by iran to russia in general is not just such a great friendship and mutual understanding, but this is just an attempt to test unmanned aerial vehicles on to another training ground with live people as targets in order to then rob israel of these drones and understand how to do it, how the air defense systems work, how to disable them, how to bypass them, and that the russians are not just firing,

with drones, of course also in their military interests, they also give iran an opportunity to see how this is happening, and on the other hand there is the hamas organization, iran 's iranian proxy army, which is also closely watching, let's say, the armed forces of ukraine, which do not have an advantage over the russian by the armed forces, in terms of numbers, in terms of technology, as they operated in the first months, and this, too, it turns out, can be used in the war with israel. and when we talked about the danger of these drones, i didn’t meet any understanding , it’s just that many people in israel refused to believe that we were just watching the tests at the training ground, that this was not a purchase of drones by russia, but just an ordinary testing ground for ukraine , to then destroy israel. and this is the first such serious

consequence that can be, well, globalization. this of the conflict and an explanation why ukraine, let's say, was needed by iran at all as a test zone for its drones, now there is a second story with a different type of weapons, with shells, with north korea, again, if putin starts calculating with what kind of latest technologies, huh , then sooner or later, of course, this will lead to new unpleasant results for the far east, i.e. for whom ukraine may no longer be a training ground, but simply a means to strengthen its military power, and if russia's war with ukraine continues. even longer there will be many more willing to test their capabilities, here as a training ground, and it must be clearly said that ukraine is an ideal testing ground for dictatorships, or exchange their services to the russian federation for some real opportunities that may arise as a result of

cooperation with moscow. all this will happen at the same time, that means, except for the war in ukraine, which will be just such a background, uh , to which they may not pay much attention, as no one pays attention to many of those who follow these conflicts, look at the world press , to ukraine already, as it should be to wait, moved to five tenths of the news, it is about the european integration of ukraine, they are talking more than about the war, it is true, it seems as if everything is over, but the background of this long, slow, uninteresting war, where armies stand against each other and months there is no change on the front line, the background for this war will be much more interesting wars. here in the middle east, what an interesting war, then there will be an interesting war in the far east, well, listen, of course we cannot offer western society and media such amazing stories luckily the middle east has to offer because

now we don't have a butch, luckily no warty luckily, no stump luckily, we have a rocket attack of course it's always interesting when the iskanders fly or something other ballistics in the big city, but fortunately nothing happened, in the gas , you see, we are discussing the plot with the hospitals, the hamas members are sitting under the hospital, where else will you take such a drama, and how difficult it is to solve all these issues, i will remind you, that we have already been the heroes of such a plot, azavstal, that’s right, that means, in order to be interesting to the world, you need to offer it... plots with the mass death of the civilian population, it’s interesting, intriguing, and then the rub will ask the question, fortunately, this is our big achievements, we don’t have, is the world used to blood, here we are, no, the world never gets used to blood, only there should be a lot of blood, both different and different, but

fortunately we can’t offer such plots to more of the world, and this is a huge success, we have the armed forces to thank for that to ukraine and the ukrainian people, but... you understand, i very often hear from journalists , and we say that we live in an amazing time precisely for journalism, because journalism is always a story of tragedies, and the less tragedy we will see in ukraine, the less chance there will be for our profession, and thank god, but then the question arises of what to do with other tragedies, so that, as strange as it sounds, here we go to this topic of weapons, so that to reduce the number of tragedies in the other world, must stop this war, ukraine should no longer be a training ground for dictatorships, russia should not pay for the opportunity to kill ukrainians with opportunities to kill israelis, or with opportunities to kill someone further in the far east, residents of south korea or

japan, i don't know with what coin kimchenin will pay with, with vladimir putin, and vladimir putin with kimchenin. and putin and kazakhstan went to takayev with the same goal of seeking military support for something else, i think that putin will not find military support in kazakhstan here, christina, that, well, he allegedly dreamed about it at the start of a large-scale invasion of britain , people close to the military circles in kazakhstan themselves are talking about it, but that's it. you see, i think it's a completely different story with kazakhstan. russia sees its influence in the post-soviet space diminishing. every day, and this is also a direct consequence of the russian-ukrainian war, because what is the commonwealth of independent states, it is such, you know, a pack of dictators, and this akele, he clearly gave a swing, missed,

so when we see, it's not us some see it, and tokaev sees it, mirzeziev sees it, i'm not saying anymore. about ilham aliyev, who is simply already playing some such game with putin, which simply does not allow the russians to hope that they will be able to subdue azerbaijan, never again in his life, aliyev skillfully played this chess game, but what about kazakhstan, look at what started to happen after the attack. putin, the president of the people's republic of china, xi jinping, the first... after, canceled the policy of zero tolerance, against the coronavirus, and uh, he started traveling to different countries, he made his first visit to kazakhstan, although

it was optional, he should have been able to go immediately to samkandao samin slanghong authorities, pin specially flew to astana, said that china will be the guarantor of territorial integrity and sovereignty kazakhstan, then the president of kazakhstan also attended the china central asia summit in china, he came to china for a couple of days. to celebrate their 70th birthday together with xijianping, they and their wives celebrated their 70th birthday there, kasim jamart, tokayev, that means the second episode, yes the third episode, french president emmanuel macron in vastana, german federal chancellor olaf scholz in astana. everyone goes to kazakhstan with different proposals, even if you imagine that france and germany think that kazakhstan can be

part of china's economic sphere of influence, they are also satisfied with this, hiding the economic relations between china and the european union, well, in this situation, putin needs to go there go to remind you that, and you notice how putin constantly confuses the name and patronymic of kasym zjomar tatakaev, and you think that he is. the truth is, he doesn’t know his name, it seems to me that you and i have already been clinging to this moment and you said that this is such a deliberate neglect, you know, of course, everyone in russia knows exactly what kasim jamarta’s name is, tokayev for one simple reason, tokayev has been present in this post-soviet political arena since the 90s, i even remember the times when he was the minister of foreign affairs of the republic of kazakhstan, and my acquaintances who were involved in kazakh-russian relations there called him simply a zamartsik, he had such. as to say, such a cute name, so that people always know about it, but what, here nazarbayev has made some kind

of decision, and what will zhomartsik do now? will he go somewhere for a visit now, or will he stay in kazakhstan and do some other things there, i have heard it a million times, and i am sure that putin also knows very well who he is, that he is not some person who went out there and that putin doesn't know how to say it, no, he just shows that you are something there, a brilliant scene, you saw it when khtokayev started the press conference with putin. in the kazakh language, the same never in there was no life, otnusultan nazarbayev never allowed himself such a thing, and there was a scene when they, members of the russian delegation, began to turn in their chairs so that they put on headphones , vastani headphones, what a shame, and they were just naked, it was obvious that they're right there, they're all fighting, and putin, he was watching it. what is your name and patronymic, i will now arrange such a scene for you that you will

remember for the rest of your life, and even this paragraph in kazakh, which simply sounded like a protocol speech, well, part of it is kazakh, part of it is russian, by the way as they do let's say, leaders of canada, who deliver part of the speech in english and part in french, because it is such a tribute to the two state languages, takayev went straight. in the same way, although it is obvious that the kazakh language is now a priority in his country, no, it still clearly caused such a misunderstanding, which means that kazakhstan, of course, tokayev's kazakhstan will maneuver and drift at the same time, that is nazarbayev's kazakhstan, he is not drifted, he was only maneuvering, this was the policy of the first president of kazakhstan, that he, and the opportunities of drift for kazakhstan takaev is already unlimited, yes. so in that regard, i think what putin needed was not weapons, because if they wanted weapons in kazakhstan, they would smuggle them, negotiate with

specific military units, give money to specific officers and generals and buy these weapons, and negotiate they will not, even putin had to say that he respects the fact that kazakhstan takes into account its international obligations, it's just please, kasym zhamar tsymilevich. there is no need to violate the sanctions, you see, i have something it succeeds the first time, well, you succeed, and i'm not even putin, you don't have to respect your own international obligations, don't help russia circumvent sanctions, that's all, and it's an absolutely perfect story, i would say about a visit to kazakhstan, which is once again being told that look, russia is losing influence in burma, russia is losing influence in azerbaijan, i warned. i think you and i once talked about this, that as soon as the karabakh problem, i will not say that i like the way it was settled, i really

it is sad to see the fate of people who were forced to leave their native homes. in which they and their families lived for centuries, but as soon as the karabakh problem ceases to divide armenia and azerbaijan, at once, with all the tension in their relations, the influence of russia will be very small, russia is now clinging to this influence, and says, we agreed that if there is a corridor, yes it should be controlled by the fsb of russia, you see, in general, everything in this world should be controlled by the fsb of russia, but kazakhstan's influence is decreasing, its influence is decreasing. in other former soviet countries in the republics of central asia, it is not as obvious as in kazakhstan, but they are also trying to drift to others where they will be guaranteed, i would say guarantees of sovereignty, first of all, this is what really worries them all, even dictators are worried about sovereignty, they do not want to be the first

secretaries of regional committees or governors of putin. and, if in... actually recalling your thesis about the closeness or demonstrative closeness of kasym zhomar tokayev with sidinpin to such an extent that they are even ready to spend some time with their families together, well, they talking, this meeting between joseph biden and xi jinping on november 15 could be the subject of at least some mention during putin's visit to kazakhstan, i do not think that takayev and putin can seriously discuss the biden meeting and because they both did not attend this meeting influence, they can discuss anything between themselves, but you know, putin does not seem to me to be the kind of player with whom tokayev will talk about sidzempine's meeting with biden sidzempine, maybe he would like to discuss this meeting, because these are the transit routes , well, that's two ways, which is the way, which, i would say , is lobbied by the americans, there is the way, which is lobbied by the chinese, then, of course

, i would like kazakhstan to go through all the ways. so, in this regard, he can discuss with sidzempin how the american-chinese economic relations will be regulated in general, this is an important topic, but putin has a lot to add to him here, which is why they are blocked, well, that's why , it's such a huge territory , which actually ceased to be a transit route, remember two years ago, all the planes that flew from from europe to asia, everything went through russia, everything went through russia, i remember how my russian colleagues told me after the maidan in 2014, please, do we need a plane, but i didn't understand why more or less, well, a shorter way, well, for a few hours, but just you know, i didn't think in this category yet, i thought that i had to get on a plane, in frankfort and get off in tokyo, they explained to me, no,

by upper air space you can't fly to russia, because... the introduction of sanctions