[000:00:00;00] it seems that in the last local elections, moldovans sent two clear signals, the first is that moldovan voters did not want to turn local elections into a geopolitical vote, so moldovans in almost all populated areas voted for specific people, for specific things directly does the re-elected chisinau mayor, but nevertheless everyone admits that he managed to transform the city, with this... it is impossible to argue, so the actual voting was purely pragmatic, although again it shows a kind of split in the moldovan society, because if he was re-elected in the first round by 50.6%, then actually, well, rounding off half of the voters, the second signal given by the moldovan voter, they confirm their european, pro-european choice, the moldovans do not have such an obligation, they have clearly

shown that they want to be: in europe, in the twentieth and twenty-first years, elected a pro-european president for the next year , the party supporting this european president, and thereby more obligations every time we reaffirm that we want to go to europe, the moldovans, which they did, is the right one, so to sum up, these local elections were not elections for... europe or russia, these were elections for specific people who have large communal economy is behind it, that is, geopolitics does not smell here. thank you very much, thank you very much, oleksandr, flenke, director of the initiative for peace association of the deputy prime minister in moldova, called france. alla lazareva, deputy editor-in-chief of the magazine ukrainian week, is with us now

will be in touch, i hope, i'm waiting. i, oh, i saw and now i waited, thank you very much, mrs. alla, for finding time for us, and can you explain why this humanitarian conference, under the auspices of france, under the auspices of president macron in paris, they don’t like it, we always have , this is the main slogan, nothing about ukraine without ukraine, here it is about israel, but without israel, why is it for the establishment. the president, in particular. well, first of all, france is home to two, probably the largest communities in europe, both muslim and udayin, and, accordingly, events on in the middle east, they are pushed to a certain confrontation, everyone supports their community, israel, its right to self-defense, and this was not well received by the representatives

of muslim bodies, that is, they left. demonstrations are quite numerous in many cities of france, where such objections were expressed that france chooses the side of only one of its own, one of the communities that is present on its territory, and disregards the interests of the other, so this humanitarian conference, it is specific people, they have the right to live at home, on their land, to develop, learn, and so on peaceful people, money was collected for their sake, apparently to calm internal political disputes , to somehow balance attention between two, two large, very large communities, that is , the event is international, but the message, primarily internal in ukraine, was spoken several times, and maybe several dozen times, i always asked one question and now

i will ask you, and on october 7... the leaders of the muslim communities somehow reacted to the hamas attack on israel, that is, when i asked very selectively, this is the main thing, because when we speak, very very selectively, there were a few isolated voices, there were brave people, the work of the french republic among the muslims, well, i don't know, enlightening, well, because when i see now and i see these frames, which you also saw, we broadcasted, a few days ago , there was just such a big pro-palestinian action in france, in paris, and i always think, well, what about you , what muslims themselves can say, if all muslims either speak wrongly, and condemn, or simply criticize everything, then non- muslims they mean they are all against muslims

and we will fight for our own, regardless of the fact that some are good, some are good, some are ours, and just ours, well, such sentiments certainly exist, and it is clear that france is not very successful in coping with this problem, because we will remember 15- and a year from now, let's remember the terrorist attacks, the shootings at charlie hebdo, which everyone remembers, and it is being conducted without a doubt, but i would not allow myself to say that it is being conducted successfully, because again, this is the awareness of collective responsibility for one's community and one's its duty to convey any position that is possible is not mainstream, but which corresponds to the general interests, we observe very little of this, again there are such examples, but they are not what i had yet, to be honest, from your words it appears that this is some kind of impasse, that is, no, no, it it turns out that this is the path, that we are somewhere at the very beginning

of the tunnel, that there may be a little light somewhere, but it is very far and it is very far to go, and it is clear where to move, it is not clear how, my grandmother said so , it is clear, but how to do it is not clear, but see. it is so clarifying the moment i talk to my western colleagues there, they say that britain , because, you can refute me, i'm just quoting, in fact, that britain has created the conditions for the social growth of anyone, black, muslim, yellow, white, it doesn't matter, but france has created much worse conditions and good, good, good growth of a muslim - he is a taxi driver in paris, he lives near paris and all the muslim centers, and this is his, but to enter the university, i would say, quote ,

grow up, get more education, become more french, let's say, yes, muslim, the whole world, but more french, then the french republic did not cope with this, unlike the british monarchy. where, is there any truth here? well, there is the truth that social elevators work better for different origins, it's easier, non-indigenous, say, easier to break through in britain than in france, that's for sure, absolutely, france is much more clannish, say, and hierarchical than britain, but let's remember, let's say the minister of justice, rashida dati, who is going to run for president, this is a woman, which, i think she was born in france, but her parents are from morocco, and her mother worked, and there are a lot of very boys, girls, very talented, young people who are either from mixed families or just from muslim families, and they

find myself, and a job, and a very good salary, that is, they are not closed all the elevators, but they work worse than in britain, here i agree with you mykola, let's take the case of benzema, such a football player, but what would be the reaction of the french, for example, mr. benzema, a great modern football player, said: and i condemn hamas, and i think that it was absolutely inhumane, and i and well, that is, he would have taken a position, well, how can i say, well , such a position, not neutral and not pro-muslim, but pro-jewish, pro-israel. what happened b, they would have thrown eggs at him, or whatever happened to him, they would not have thrown him, everyone would hear it and everyone would know about it, and you would definitely hear about it in ukraine, such

interim results, that is, the only, as i understand it, the only way to convince the muslim community that it was more objective, let's say cautious, is to wait until the muslim... community itself produces people who will say this, and so on in 5, 10, 15 years, so that there will be a more objective view of what is happening in the middle east and so on, i understood correctly, well, i would say that the message must come from the inside, absolutely, i also agree here , because from the outside it is perceived as an insult, as a misunderstanding, as persecution, as xenophobia , often, that is, it is very difficult, it is quite such closed hermetic societies and it is clear that it is necessary for this vision to mature from within,

there must be a position formulated internally, here i completely agree, let's go to ukraine, mrs. alla, look, well , we are already used to it here in ukraine, in lviv, i live, sometimes i return to kyiv for two or three days, we already hear the word decisive for the war, probably starting from march 22, which was supposed to be decisive, then april became decisive, then may, will be decisive for the war in ukraine, but i wonder, he somehow justified, there is some logic to the french establishment, not only in the president, well, maybe the minister of foreign affairs or the minister of defense, says: he will be decisive, because there are the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, or is it just that we said so, like the russian language, they say the figure of things is like this , it is not always easy to decipher why he decided that december... would be decisive, i still don't dare

to say, but what i can state is that it is an obvious pressure, let's say a copper one of this order, on er, various ukrainian intellectual or pro-ukrainian expert platforms in order to promote the idea negotiations, coercion for peace, and yet zelensky has a quote on french television, and the topic returns endlessly. it is obvious that maybe macron reacted to the sky discourse that prevailed now in the media environment of france in relation to this war, and it could also be related to the war in the middle east, that is, for sure, that it would be desirable that all these wars, foreign wars for the french were finally running out, to somehow stop reporting and live a quiet peaceful life, it may be that this is the answer to

and to such an internal question, ms. alla, the last question, look , and that is, these specific relations, as i understand it, are connected with the president, with general de gaulle, specific relations moscow, paris, always cultural exchanges and so on and so on something like that, that is, they continue, that is, in france they pay attention to the interests of the russian federation, well, i wouldn’t say that, i would say that powerful russian influences are very present here, there were and are, about kremlin lobbies, very active, and because of this, these are all narratives, they are fast find a way to, let's say, tv screens, to some copper resources, on the other hand, at the level of society, everything has changed very much in the last one and a half years of sympathy on the side of ukraine, this is new, it's a pity, the blood of the best sons of ukraine is paid for, but i

definitely saw the last polls, it seems that 58% of the opinion on the side of ukraine was even more, that is, i would say that public opinion has changed very much recently, and russia, at this level of the average frenchman, has little sympathy, okay, thanks, interesting mrs. alla, interesting. thank you, it is, it is, it is strange, for me it is, i am not into it, here you are telling me, i personally believe you , but i don’t believe france, but i don’t know, come, i will introduce you, i will tell you, then, just for me always, always france, i remember the soviet union well, there are even visits to france, but if you were in a capitalist country, then most likely in france, for some reason it is difficult to go to france, to america, but to france somehow so quietly , and tourism, and something, and sports

tourism, and all that, absolutely exactly, but, but the sense of justice here is very common in people, if we take an ordinary average frenchman and the fact that it was wildly unfair, what started in ukraine, after all, the fact that we live in times when every soldier and every volunteer and every resident has a mobile phone, on which he can take a picture or record something on video, and all this is possible, for example, when bucha was released and when all these reports from there began. in particular the french press, then people were shocked, that is, it is clear that there was sympathy and sympathy on the side of ukraine, so it has changed, it has changed very much, but it is a very new this is a trend, absolutely, that is, everything you said in previous years, it was all true , it was really difficult to break through with ukrainian, now no, now they distinguish, understand the flag, recognize the colors, and many, you must go to other topics, that's right, kala lazareva, deputy editor-in-chief of the magazine. ukrainian week from france, yes, and you see how

she hinted to us that civilization is against russia, the emergence of the internet, the emergence of such gadgets, and so on, and when a person can film, take pictures, and this is evidence of behavior the russian somehow works for ukraine, for ukraine and against russia, which is always nice , well, since i am already an economist at the bureau of investment programs, if he appears now, i will... especially in the evening, and here is my question, and 22 percent of budget expenditures for 24, a year will go to security and defense, the question is good, bad, mediocre, a large budget, this is also an interesting question, well, i want to correct you first, mr. mykola, sorry, not 22%, but 50 % of the state budget and expenses goes to

defense and the defense and security sector, because we only have salaries military personnel, it is approximately 400 million hryvnias per year, the entire defense and security sector, which includes the ministry taxes 1.6 trillion hryvnias, this is a colossal figure, indeed, and it is even more than half of 51%, to be precise, of all state expenses that you and i as tax payers collect in the state treasury and spend on all state. priorities, but not only us , as taxpayers, but also, of course, international partners, which is not as before there 3.5%

of gdp, all 50% in our country currently the state deficit, so of course it is a lot, answering this question, more than half of all state spending is not on medicine , not on education, not on development programs and cultural development, on the defense and security sector, but this is obvious and logical, because, well, let's look at the numbers, really last year on the 22nd, and in principle on the 23rd, the deficit, that is , how much money in dollars we needed monthly from international partners, amounted to about 3-4 billion dollars per month, if they were not given to us , then, i'm sorry, it's not for us what would it be like to pay pensions and salaries to teachers, and i remind you that you and i, as taxpayers, ukrainians, spend all the money on the army and the defense sector, all those international borrowings, and these are mostly loans and

borrowings, this is not free money , unfortunately for us, they go precisely to the humanitarian and social sector , simplified so that everyone understands, i.e. pensions, salaries to all state employees, communal services, network heating and so on, this is paid for by our international partners, and in principle, to close the grates budgets, that is, ours and yours taxes are not enough to support pensioners and pay salaries to teachers and doctors, so in the 24th year this amount will be 41 billion dollars, that is, divided by 12 months, it will be exactly somewhere around 3.5 dollars, that is, nothing changes, and these borrowings will increase, i.e. at the moment 10 billion dollars each, by the end of the year we predicted that there will be somewhere around 115-120 billion dollars, state borrowings, do you generally think that the american senate

will allow money to be given to ukraine and the european the community also, well, yesterday borel, i think it was the day before yesterday, said that if the americans will give less, then we will have to give more, as far as we are concerned, the situation is quite dramatic with this deficit of 41 billion dollars for the 24th year, there are still no sources of guarantee sources, that we will receive these 41 billion dollars in the 24th year, because of this money, this is precisely monetary assistance, because pensions, accordingly, are not paid to pensioners with ammunition and not shells, which is logical. so this is live money that is sent to our treasury accounts international partners in the form of loans, mostly, sometimes grants, the ratio of loans to grants at the current moment is approximately 70 to 30, 70% are loans, which means that at the moment we have a guarantee of

12.5 billion euros in money from the european union for the 24th year , this is from the program that they were talking about 50 billion euros... the european union will provide ukraine along with canada, germany, france, together, it will be approximately 5 billion dollars next year, and the main tranche, the monetary one we expect from the americans, is 24 billion dollars, money we should receive money from the senate, there is no decision, and when it appears, and it will be 24 or 825 million dollars per month, as it is now, and multiply it, at the expense of which to pay, yes, all budget, well, social expenses , it will be good if mr. borel and the european commission... will cover this hole for us , but it also has to be a consensus among all the member states of the european union, so it

still raises another important question when i look at the budgets of the united states, the european community, money is not measured, but there are some, some such suspicions, some such there are rumors that the european economy will survive. will the american economy survive, according to my boyish mind, not a specialist, not something that you will not notice, not something that will survive, but not notice, if it even doubles, and money, and defense, weapons and everything, and they will not notice, in the american, european butter with bread will cost the same as today, and tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, nothing for the americans. it's not going to change so here, am i right or is it really

a problem for them to find the money? i agree with you mr. mykola, you are right, because against the background of these colossal billions and trillions of dollars at the disposal of the american senate, and i will remind you that the gdp of the united states of america is 25 dollars, it is the number one economy in the world, in germany, for example, 4.5 dollars by the dollars, when they decide when the money, where to send the money, therefore, this is also one example, sweden, in this heating season, which was, the 23rd year, they, sweden itself, the swedish government sent 120 is from its about the budget for compensation of high tariffs

to its population, you see, there are 120 billion, compensation of tariffs to the swedish population so that they would not have a communal service, for one heating season , i.e. those who swedes, 10 million swedes, not 100 million swedes, 10 million swedes just like that, so that's right, that's why there are eyes for germany our 40, 50, even 100 billion per year, well, it's such a drop in the ocean, so it's really a political