tv [untitled] November 12, 2023 8:30pm-8:54pm EET
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for us, it's just a matter of time, let's say, the delay of the next stage of the war with the russians, it's impossible to go for it, from our side. thank you, ihor romanenko, founder of the charity fund "zakryyemo nebo ukrainy", lieutenant general , we were in touch, and now we will talk about another one, the 37th day of the war in the middle east, which is also becoming such a long-term war. sova, deputy speaker of the knesset of israel. congratulations, mr. yevgeny. greetings, greetings, good evening. so, let's talk about exactly this, this long-term war. how far is israel in in principle, i am ready for the fact that the war will really last, maybe more than a year, maybe more time, because we know that ukrainian citizens, they were not hospitable citizens, that the war will not last 627 days, but 2,000, or 30, 3,000 days , they will not accept this reality and we have very few people.
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who realize that the war is the reality and everyday life of new generations of ukrainian citizens in the coming years, at least, if of course it will not be possible to end it on conditions that are quite difficult for our state, well as far as i understand, the jewish state also does not want to end the war on unfavorable terms for itself, and the question arises, is israel ready to fight for a long time , because we know that all of israel's wars were short-lived, well, this is a good question, sejách po at least in recent days, israel is trying to prepare for the fact that this war will be, as you rightly said, a long one, but the active phase will still not be, by the by by the example of what is happening in ukraine, because to be honest, here in israel also, a year and a half ago, they did not think that the war between russia and ukraine would drag on for almost a year and a half, and it is not known when it will end, but then how would some international factors always intervene, and here i will give you an example, for example, there is a protective the wall, and the operation that was on the territory of the western bank.
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in 2002, somewhere on, well, almost already on the fourth week of the active phase, when israeli tanks were in palestinian cities, president bush said the famous enav iznaf, that is, enough, well, and then there is more there was active action for a few weeks, and then israel gave itself freedom of action - in the territories, that is, in the palestinian territories, and thus changed the reality in palestinian cities, that is , a wall was built, and this has been happening on the west bank for 20 years now... periodically , when necessary, israel enters these or other palestinian cities, refugee camps, and so on, what will be in gaza, at least, this is what our leadership is announcing, this is what we understand, what was presented to us at the commission on foreign affairs and defense, that the first phase is the complete destruction of the military and administrative capabilities of hamas, they set only goals, by the jewish new year, by the jewish year next year, this is already next year, yes, this is already next september next year, so i i think
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that we still won't drag on until next september , and the next one, let's say, for some time, i don't want to say specifically, because then there will be a headline, the deputy of the knesset said that the war will last 3 weeks, yes, so no one he's raising the army, i'll remind you to you, that we started a ground operation only on the 20th, almost the twenty-second day of the war, that is, the 20th and 16th days, on the twenty-second day , the connection phase began, that is, we divided gaza into two parts, the northern part of gaza is no longer under the control of hamas this is an official statement, this is not me saying this, this is being said by officials, our military leadership, the head of the army’s press service , operational work is being carried out there , tunnels are being destroyed there, weapons warehouses are being destroyed there, here are more than twenty hamas fighters now transferred, detained in gas, transferred to our territory with them, literally in the last few days more than 100,000 palestinians have also crossed this border, which the army created between the northern and southern parts, because we all the time... urge the population to leave, and
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moreover, even i do not i know, have you seen this picture, when israeli tanks, israeli soldiers, actually cover civilians who want to leave the northern part of the gaza strip, but until that time hamas did not give it to them, that is, hamas, we have evidence that hamas in he shoots his back tried to fabricate how they killed, then they said that supposedly israel destroyed them when they tried to find this humanitarian corridor, so today in the northern part, according to our estimates, there is practically no population, that is, there is, maybe 100-150,000 population, even less, and there is work going on, i don't know when it will be finished, the second part is the southern part of gaza, that is, there, it is also unclear what happened to the kidnapped, it is not clear what we will have in the southern part, but when will it be finished these two phases are active, we will move on under the pressure of these centers of terror, and it can take some time, here already the society is trying to prepare for the fact that it can take some time, i can't tell you months.
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hours, but it is clear that the economy must return to normal, because we have losses from this war every day, which is approaching a billion shekels, that is, about 250 million. dollars costs us every day of such a war, taking into account the fact that we have many people evacuated from their places, that is, they are not they are returning, the northern border is also restless, and there is a constant escalation, now, today, too, there was shelling , hezbollah is shelling, and we are looking, of course, there too, if there is a full-scale war with hezbollah, no one excludes such an option today, then it is not it should be long, there is nothing to do long there, there is no gas, that is, there will be a completely different situation, therefore everything ... it definitely affects, these factors affect the duration of hostilities in the region as a whole, so they will run out of gas there is no complete answer, there are different concepts, there are different conversations, but we say from our side that people cannot return to the north, while on the border with the southern part of lebanon, that is, on our
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borders, there is a subdivision of radwan-hezballe, such as militants who are ready to do what hamas did on october 7, that is, enter settlements, start cutting people there, kill them, take hostages. naturally, in such a situation, we cannot send our people back to the cities, there to mytula, to kiriatshmona or to the settlements, which are in the safety of our people, and of course, this is also taken into account when making decisions regarding hizballah, and resolution 171 does not work, that is, what was after the second lebanese war, in august 2006, savbest adopted unanimously, according to resolution, then hezbollah should not be located in the southern regions of lebanon, that is, south of the litana river, which is almost 30. you know, just before our broadcast , a large investigation by the washington post came out, and in this investigation it is said that the main goal hamas
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of this attack, that hamas knew that its attack on israeli cities and villages would receive a rather harsh, harsh response from israel, but it did this to change the discussion around the palestinian issue, so to speak, so that as many as possible were peaceful about this, and in order to create this kind of instability and this kind of global criticism of israel in the world, how to prevent the development of such a situation foreseen by the leadership of hamas, as american journalists believe, already at the very stage of preparations for the invasion, well, here look, what is the difference between a wasp and a bee, right? it can sting, and then it will sting again, and then it will sting again, right, a bee bites once and dies, right, that is, in this case, hamas hurts, or did they understand, for example, that as a result of this attack, israel will say so
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, be in shock, we will not be able to gather, we will not be able to because of internal political disputes, which we had before the war, very fierce disputes, our society here has split into two parts, we will be lost, they will not be drafted into the army, pilots will not come, the reservists there will refuse. serve, this is the first miscalculation of hamas, that is, hamas clearly miscalculated in this matter, because the call is 200% here, and the miscalculation of hamas, further now what is happening, is hezbollah ready today to take such a step, to enter this war and because they they see what is happening in gaza, they see what, what ruins gaza has turned into, they see that today hamas has actually found itself on the brink of its existence, will hizbullah want to strike tel aviv today or else rockets over there in other cities' does it want to be on the brink of its own - its existence, that's the question, which now , as you know, is in such a situation that - hamas will cease to exist today, it is real, that is, hamas in that form, in which he was until october 7, he will no longer be in gaza, they can be there in lebanon, he can, they can go somewhere
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there to expensive hotels, they will find them, that is, they will find them sooner or later, i am in your by the way, i have already said this on several occasions, that is they themselves signed the death sentence, the second question is, what will hizballah do, do they enter a full-scale war? so you said that one of the theories, that this is a battle with the rapprochement of saudi arabia, because saudi arabia, like a player who is watching now, who will win, where, where the wind will go, it, too, you know, ended now vopos, vopos of saudi normalization arabs, this was partly iran's idea, because it is not profitable for iran, and it is not excluded that iran warmed up hamas for such... for such an attack, and an unprecedented attack, we know that the militants have cadres, they are flying, we have these cadres , we show some of them, some of them we do not show, we have police, a special police that deals with cases, specifically individual,
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individual violations on the territory of israel , he has 50,000 at his disposal, it is very important, very important that you talk about this, mr. yevgeny, i just want to end ours with this. and these words of yours should be paid special attention to, because i have colleagues who say that there is no evidence in israel and on this ground everyone and we know how dangerous these voices are for the future position of ukraine in the civilization of the world, we continue after the advertisement, why am i here, i have sensitive teeth, i eat ice cream, pain, cold air, pain, sweet, pain, dentist lacalot sensitive, before i wouldn't have to come here at all, lacalot sensitive hope. protection against pain. pain can become an obstacle. walk up the stairs, not with my knees. for pain in the knees, try
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let’s do sports, will sports help, if a person really immerses himself in sports, in any physical activity, then he really changes , i say, it changes both morally and spiritually, everything overflows in us. we continue the political club, vitaly portykov is with you, and our new interlocutor on this broadcast, igor ayseng, a professor at the university, i congratulate you, mr. vitaliy , i congratulate you, i congratulate all the viewers, well, mr. igor, there will be a meeting between the chairman of the forum and the president of the united states of the states, by joseph biden. what can we really expect from this
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summit, which has already been confirmed by both countries, i think that if you and i are expecting something extraordinary, then in reality we should not expect such breakthroughs, extraordinary decisions, i think that they, by the ministry of defense and the general staffs, which was suspended... by the chinese side after nentsipesi's visit to taiwan, they can agree on some things related to trade, there are many very different issues, of course, that they will discuss the situation in the world and and uh, joe biden, i'm sure i'm not going to discuss things that are then used to make weapons, they can also discuss north korea, because china has a lot of influence over it, and the united states, of course, i think
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it is also necessary to prevent the aggravation of the situation on the part of north korea, any provocations against south korea, against japan, which could lead to a military conflict in that region, things of the soviet and american leaders at the time during the cold war, when there was... . which in china is now called such a controlled, controlled confrontation, that is, it is good that they will talk, at least, at least it is better than fighting, well, by the way, if you compare the meetings of the soviet and american leaders during the cold war, there was still life according to the rules, there were agreements, there was yalta, there were decisions in helsinki, nor between russia and the united states, there is simply no, there is no established order, after all, maybe this is a new world, a world without order and without rules, well, the world is currently without
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order and without rules, but even then, look , yes, there were rules, there was the helsinki act of 1970, but at the same time the soviet union was doing what it did in in the same year 75, when the kielce final act was signed in august, the soviet union, well, it was in in may 1975, at the same time, after the revolution in portugal, the soviet union tried to bring the communists to power in portugal, at the same time, the soviet union facilitated the seizure of power by communist forces in the former portuguese colonies, in angola and mozambique in africa. that is, the soviet union is the same as he did, on the one hand, there was order , well, at least in europe, order was observed, that europe was divided into spheres of influence, there is no measure of secrecy anywhere, i completely agree with you, this is a world without order, therefore that this old order no longer exists, and there is no new one, well, it is important
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to understand whether it is possible to get used to living in a hybrid world at all, because this is important for ukrainians, who, it seems to me, are still waiting to return to some such world , which seemed stable to them, well, at least there until 2022, or maybe until 2014, you know , the world is stable, the world of recognized territorial internationals is like that, a normal world, well, i don’t know if it is possible, if it is possible to return to the past in principle, i think that it is impossible, what is it to us we will have to wait for some kind of solution to all of the biggest problems that exist in the world, then, well, they probably will. big powers should try to establish some order, agree on something, some order in the world, because at the moment i completely agree with you, it is a world without any order, when there is such a state as the republics, which russia does not actually recognize, as independent states, but look, recently there was another article by medvedev about poland there in
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russia on november 4, there is their so-called holiday, the anniversary of the victory over the polish disappeared. that there are just threats against poland, that poland is not an artificial country at all, er, which exists only thanks to russia, but russia will not exist if it wants, it has thousands of nuclear warheads, and when it does not recognize in fact, in general, that there is a world with fixed borders, of course, that this creates absolute instability in the world, and until there will not be, there will not be a situation when it will be possible to create a new order, no, we do not... we should even hope, that it is possible to return to the world that was there not only until the 22nd, before on the 14th, by the eighth year, i would say, when russia carried out aggression against georgia, captured it, almost, please tell me, if we talk about what is happening with the american aid to ukraine. the senate refused to vote for the bill, which provided for separate military aid to israel without
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taking into account ukrainian needs, what next? back to the discussion in the palace. representatives, some new consultations, how the event will proceed, i am just before our inclusion with you, i studied what, whether there are any but, is being developed, the draft law, which should follow what the white house requested, that is, it is aid to ukraine, aid to israel, aid to taiwan, expansion of production, american, american submarine fleet, and this is the allocation of funds to strengthen the protection of the southern border of the united states, and that is, the senate is dealing with this , and such a bill will be presented next week , ah, the fact is that the senate cannot consider budget bills on its own initiative, because according to the constitution,
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they must come from the house of representatives, but the house of representatives, it adopted its version, that is, the senate... now has the right to take this version and develop its own, and if it is adopted, they will be sent back to the house of representatives, there is a problem, you see, i have almost no money , he has, since the first day of his speakership, he, and until today, he draws such a line that he wants to pass bills that he can only pass with the votes of the republicans, the republicans have a very small majority, only votes, if they lose four votes, then that's it, they're not can accept nothing, and since there are about a hundred republicans who do not want to help ukraine, he votes... a bipartisan vote is needed and he knows very well that if he puts such a project to a vote, which, say , the senate will accept, then he is in
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the house of representatives will pass, he will get more, more than 300 votes, for sure, despite the fact that 218 are needed, but he is afraid of his fellow party members , in fact, he looks, he published yesterday, that is, his project on how to avoid another shutdown, because the temporary budget , according to which now i live in the united states... one means partial funding of the budget until january 19, the other means other ministries and other programs until february 2, that is, it is simply a mechanical continuation of the budget articles of the 2023 fiscal year, an extension and an extension for one and a half or two, respectively months, but at the same time there are already three republicans who have said that a republican who won't vote for it, then one more, that's it, so it won't pass with republican votes, and the white house has already said that it doesn't like the idea,
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that he would like the adoption of a full-fledged normal budget by which the country would live, that is, the speaker needs to become the speaker, unfortunately he is afraid of what his predecessor was afraid of, because according to, according to the same clause of the rules, any republican can any what he is, so he will not be the speaker, most likely then, that is, this is such a, i would say stalemate, very critical, very unpleasant situation in the house of representatives, which, well, when the speaker was not there, we all said , that the chamber is not functional, well in fact, it remains so, because with this approach, it is not able to simply pass bills that have a chance of becoming laws, because in order for them to become laws, they also need to be passed and it is necessary... a propaganda campaign, that's not me i know, maybe it’s called politics now, well, in my opinion, it’s not true, it’s a shame, i can’t call it anything else
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, tell me, now according to pre-election ratings, the former president of the united states, jose donald trump, is ahead of the current president, joseph biden by four points, 49, against 45, does it mean something that we can make some predictions for the election, or is it just a preliminary one. some such arithmetic, which also does not take into account the peculiarities of the american pre-election, electoral system, well, yes, there are quite a lot of polls, according to which, especially, let's say , polls conducted in individual states, in swing states, in particular, that trump warns biden, there was a new york times poll a week ago, well i would say it's too early to look at those polls because the election will be in a year and people now... uh, this , i would say that this is a poll, they should be paid attention to, say, biden's advisers and the heads of his campaign headquarters, that is,
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they have to change something, because, for example, they they absolutely cannot convey to the society the positive effect that biden's economic policy creates in the economy, the society does not perceive it, why, because it is simply bad... who will win the election, it should be somewhere from february.
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