[000:00:00;00] will give more added value than, than any others, are able to build, well, let's say , defense strategies in a modern war, therefore, i think this is one of the options that should be considered by ukraine as well, mr. olezh, tell me please, we know that the nato summit was held in july 23, and ukraine told ukraine that your future is, of course, in the north...atlantic alliance, but you have to go that way, not the usual way, but oh well at least you make a commitment that you fulfill, you become a member of the north atlantic alliance, there are many hopes for the nato washington summit , it will be an anniversary for nato, and we would like it to be, not an anniversary, a celebration for us, because we could become the 33rd country

of the north atlantic alliance. what do you think ukraine can do and whether it is possible for ukrainians from the alliance, that we can be worthy participants of the north atlantic alliance, and that this will only benefit europe, first of all, and the whole world, because ukraine is under the umbrella nato is security for the rest of the world, which can be destroyed suffer from aggressive russia? yes, it is quite simple and clear, but it is very difficult to implement it, what will be its functionality and tasks after the victory of ukraine, this is another question, and as i understand it, another topic for conversation, not now, but in relation to rasmens, returning to him, then it it's quite strange, because i've been closely following this topic for the past month, who 's saying what about nato, and to me, rasmun's statement, it very much echoes, for example, aristovych's statement, which has been there, aristovych, for

about two weeks. said something similar, or goncharenko's statements are the same, and i think so from the peace agreement or the armistice, or the negotiations with the russian empire, so i want to say that this is a completely pointless conversation, those people who try to say this, they do not really understand our enemy, they have already forgotten why the great war began, it did not begin on the 24th, february, it began a few months before, the great war itself, of course , began on the 14th, but this... the offensive, it began somewhere at the end of the 21st year, i will remind, from the statements of moscow, regarding the ultimatum regarding the expansion of nato, not even an expansion, but a statement that nato should be smaller than it is today, and here , strangely enough, although i have never heard of moscow changing its positions, it somehow has to agree with that , that part of ukraine will join nato, well, this is a very strange

story, i do not see such an option, how it will happen , such conversations and such proposals, this is weakening, this is actually the creation, they will tear away ukrainian statehood, moreover, i note that i do not would consider the statements of mr rasmus, of course, he is a respectable, absolutely human being, he is the former secretary general of nato , he is a good specialist there, but here it should be considered that he is not the one who makes the decision, the decision is ultimately made by the leaders of those countries that are currently members. it's hard for me too, it's really hard for us to see hungary , slovakia, make political decisions that during the war, when it will still be, walking on our lands, in our cities, firing rockets, firing small arms, etc. guns are firing, at this moment these leaders of these countries will agree that partially, ukraine will join nato, it is difficult for them to even include sweden in

nato, let alone talk about ukraine. look at the statements, for example, that of orban or fitz, and do you think that they will be able to convince these people, no, not at all, the only option is to convince them and involve them in this and give their consent, it is ukraine that must win and prove that the eastern on the borders of these states there is a large country, which, in principle , is nothing compared to hungary and slovakia, moreover, it must be considered that there are many, there are many appeals or analyzes regarding the fifth article of the nato charter, i want to, after all, there is not a 100% sample, during the entire existence of nato , no one has ever copied the fifth article of nato, and moreover, i want to note, recently i was in brussels, they talked about including the brussels bureaucrats about it, and they say not publicly in private that they don't want to check whether it works at all, so whatever this organization will try

to avoid at all any... any possibility, even a theoretical risk, that someone will check the capacity of this of the fifth article, everyone understands it, and no one even wants to ask the question whether the country is worth the great war with nato, they don't even want to ask the question whether klaipeda is worth the great war. that's why all these conversations , well, i would just call the word promiscuity, there is only one option for obtaining the status of a nato member - this is a victory in this war and not for part of ukraine, in general for all of ukraine. well, here you are twice during your short story, we discussed with you during the last program, and your assistant dropped me a link from yours. well, there is no such thing as goncharenko, there is goncharenko, goncharenko said that, they will drop more additional ones, about the three minsk agreements, there is not a single word there, this is manipulation, mr. oleg, so , well, gaiastovych, i agree with you, once again, you

can to quote goncharenko, he says there that as a proposal he, to the washington post journalist, talk, talk, talk, talk about the third minsk agreements, which you said, is not there, and there is not a single word of nato accession, once again there is a partial nato accession, in the same place is the same as arestovych says. look, god is with him and arestovich, and with goncharenko, i am not a lawyer for aristovych, or goncharenko, and of course i am concerned about the conversations that are currently taking place about possible peace talks, because zelskyi should agree to the proposals for peace talks and not send ukrainians to die, about that. said on the evening podcast of scientist lex friedman, let's listen to this particle. i simply would not advise sending the flower of ukrainian youth to die

in the trenches, whether he talks to putin or not, just don't do it, any offensive means loss. mrs. ivanna, mask - enough an influential person in the world, well, in particular, with his public speeches, because the person has an audience of millions, or tens of millions, hundreds of millions of people who read him, who listen, who listen, it is clear that musk is more inclined towards russia, and that is why he is obviously in in november, he is going to an it conference in moscow, which will be held at the end of this month, there is a need to hold peace talks in any format, it is russia that is working with musk. whether it is political forces working in the united states of america, and russian forces working with them, or what kind of force is it that constantly promotes this thesis about the need for peace talks, and peace talks on moscow's terms, when

part of the territory, as they say, will remain under the control of the russian federation, you know, musk behaves almost like mr. oleg, he he takes a part there, some piece of the truth, and then twists it and twists it in such a way, people think that it really has some kind of preparation under it, mr. oleg, for example, said there, why does someone think that moscow must agree that ukraine joins, moscow has no time for anything, joins nato, moscow, i'll just tell you, mr. oleg, it doesn't have to agree to anything, we won't ask it, it's simple and that's how every mantra says that there are new there will be no minsk agreements, there is something to talk about, it would be if... we concentrated on this , but let's talk about musk: musk is the representative, unfortunately, of that part, the influential part, including american society, but not only american

society, which is really, constantly looking for options to advise the country to the victim, instead of advising to influence and put pressure on the aggressor country and , in fact, to use... one's ability to influence in order to stop those who destroy, finally, break down the remnants of international law, and who believe that the law of force can determine the future of the world, not realizing that if those who today propose the right of force instead of the right of law, a direct and immediate serious threat to the united states of america and to its national security. unfortunately, the voices. whether it is short-sightedness, whether it is business interests, whether it is influences, including from the middle of the russian federation, it does not even matter , of real importance, because unfortunately, these

voices, they will sound, and they have sounded from the very beginning of the russian language, they will intensify, in particular because of the fact that in a large number of countries, and we are entering, or rather, a number of countries are entering election processes, and this, unfortunately, will become all these - ideas that cannot in any way, realistically... be transformed into some actions, and, because it is not possible to have a conversation with the russian federation until then, here i can to agree, and pay reparations, or any other things that would be related to her defeat, but at this point, it is clear that we understand that russia is in no way demonstrating and has never demonstrated its ability to abide by any agreements in which

she... entered, signed, gave assurances and so on, so we just need to look for hard, clear truths, including the american society, in order to convince them that the defeat of russia in this war is in the national interest of the united states of the states america, and precisely because of that, the united states of america should not give masked advice to the ukrainians on how to behave in this war, but instead focus as much as possible on helping the ukrainians to win. well, but mrs. ivano, it is absolutely obvious that the defeat of russia is interpreted as the defeat of russia for the west, and what is the defeat of russia for ukraine? well, for this we need to have a common vision together with our partners, what it is, what is the victory of ukraine, what is the victory of the free world, and what is the defeat of the russian federation, there, i have

there are their own... understandings of how it should look, but obviously, today we have heads of state who propose rates there, because he is the president of the country, there is a reason to take this opinion into account, whether to take it into account, whether to agree or not to agree and work around what the president of ukraine is proposing today, but this is how we must come to an agreement with, first of all, and with our partners, allies on what the defeat of the russian federation should look like, the biggest problem today is that there is no unity in the approach of the moment, until ukraine wins, because of the fact that we value, extremely, extremely value the fact that they help us and we very much expect that, in particular , the american military aid will be extended and a decision will be made on the allocation of additional funds for the next year, on completion. this year in order to allocate weapons to ukraine and help us

purchase weapons and deliver them as quickly as possible, but at the same time, as i always want, i miss the completion of this phrase, how much is needed for the ukrainian victory and for the defeat of russia, then even the wording is this and the clarity of this wording will allow us to jointly come to a conclusion on what it should look like and what it should consist of, what it should be, how much it should be... weakened russia, how much it should be isolated russia, to what extent it must be punished so that it can never again carry out and wreak havoc in other parts of the world, as it does now and with the help of its allies, friends, such as north korea, iran and all terrorist organizations like hamas. mrs. yulia, why do you think the world is not ready for the time of... russia, and

what is holding the world back in order to topple this pro-russian regime, carry out de-racialization, a safe world, because the existence of russia in the form in which it is now yes, it threatens not only ukraine, but the whole world, i would say planet earth, serhiy , it seems so to us in ukraine, in fact the world and america see a completely different enemy for themselves, and this is written in their strategic documents, and this enemy is china. therefore, we definitely live in region with russia, for us the biggest enemy, other, other, let's say, dimensions, because there are many countries, and there are many, let's say, conflicts where china plays a much more important role than russia, and accordingly it is the biggest enemy , therefore, i fully agree with you that

with the existence of the integrity of whole russia within the existing borders with the existing kremlin regime, we have no chance of not receiving reparations, even if we win, and there is no chance of a safe life, since the concentration of resources, money, weapons, natural resources in the kremlin leads to that actually they have too much money and too much free time to think about where they're going to attack next and distract their own citizens, so the only stable peace we can...get is separation, well de facto federalization, the real federalization of russia with the distribution of its resources in return from the kremlin to the regions, then we will have a stable peace, since the kremlin will have neither financial, nor

armed, nor intellectual, nor political opportunities to fight with its neighbors, it is possible draw an analogy with... germany, which was de facto federalized as a result of the second world war, and resources were sent to the lands, well, that is, to the regions, and thus, as a matter of fact, once and for all, was deprived of the opportunity to concentrate these resources and terrorize the whole world with these resources, i think that this fate should await russia, and actually the marshall plan that was proposed, which... for some reason we are being promoted as the marshall investment plan, in fact the marshall plan was, imp and should be for russia when it is deprived, the kremlin will be deprived of any resources, including nuclear ones, in order to be able to threaten the whole world,

as they did a year ago, threatening everyone, nuclear weapons, de facto, so i see no other option , unfortunately, with this concept, our partners and our international partners have not yet accepted it and do not understand that, i think, over time, maybe they will understand, but we do not convey this, this narrative and these messages correctly to our partners, respectively, they do not see this final result, which we actually speak we want, if we are right, to formulate my personal opinion, we want russia to be divided into parts, resources to go to russian regions, these regions were sufficiently independent, and in this way we will provide ourselves with stability that also applies to america and other countries, which must apply india is also paying attention to this, and there is a much bigger game there, let's say. thank you, ladies and gentlemen, let's take a short break in

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the delegation that went to the united states of america led by the first vice prime minister, minister of economy yulia sveredenko, and this delegation , including, at the head, shall we say , not at the head, but with the participation, raises, well, if absolutely completely... a logical question, and why exactly did sveredenko and yermak fly to the united states of america , we do not have a minister of foreign affairs, or are there no representatives of the ukrainian parliament to work with senators and congressmen who are hesitating about future help from the american government. mr. oleg, why do you think foreign policy has shifted so much, well, logical questions, why foreign policy is managed by the head of the president's office. and his former deputy in the office of the president, not the minister

of foreign affairs of ukraine. well, look, we have according to the constitution, the president is responsible for international affairs, the president, let me remind you, and a minister is appointed according to his quota, by the way, there is an ambassador, but to finish the previous question, i would like to quote one small quote from the washington post: instead of fighting, as zelensky wants, for expulsion russia from the territory of what it is aborasmy, this is a quote from the washington post regarding honcharenko, it is with you. there is, on this, i think that we will close the question, returning to the previous conversation, i want to interrupt, to note that we have in the last year a lot has changed, and this is also thanks to the work and the office of the president, by the way, i would like to mention the recent statements of olaf scholz, this is the person whose ability to support ukraine two years ago, when he became president, we still doubted, and now he is talking about the fact that no big step for germany is ahead, and thanks to all the work, including the deputy, of the president's office. but not enough, as mrs. yulia noted, there can be no victory for ukraine without the existence of the russian

empire, it will always threaten us, and our only victory in any form is, let's be honest, this is the dismantling of the russian empire, and should not exist, and this year was quite important in this direction, we can ask prigozhin's march, which actually proved how much, and those marches and that we have created, certainly through the rdk and the freedom region through the bryansk-kursk region, it is just as much, it gives us opportunities, it proves that we have the ability, and therefore one of our opportunities that we must use for victory , and we cannot do it without it to do, this is the transfer of the armed forces, this is the transfer of active military forces and the front to the territory of the russian empire, to these regions, in fact, we have to : the russian empire was falling, then the old, now the new, neo-empire, in fact, we can offset this at the expense of what will be chaos inside, due to the fact that the orcs

who are in the trenches at the front will understand that it is not clear what is happening behind them, we can do it in such a way that they will run back and we will be able to win, there are no other ways, this war, and the way it is happening proves that either ukraine or the russia of our descendants can exist here, because russia in this form as a metropolis, as an empire... must disappear and in fact it must not have any resources for to somehow again commit aggression against ukraine, influence the european union , finance political parties, etc., and this is the only way we can achieve victory, there are no other options, and it is our task to convince the same oleh sholtz that he did the next that did not exist, by the way last week i was in brussels and some of the members of the european parliament... by text, for example, from poland