stepanenko. diplomats met the day before for the first time since the european commission recommended starting accession negotiations with ukraine and moldova. in kyiv, they expect that this step will be supported by the leaders of the member countries - said dmytro kuleba, a colleague of the video communications ministers. but the prime minister of hungary has already announced his intention to block the negotiations. according to viktor orban, ukraine is far from the european union, and his subordinate, the head of the hungarian ministry of foreign affairs, added that ukraine is in a state of war, and therefore, if it is invited. in his opinion, this can also spread to the block. do they support ukraine's membership of hungary? the local government plans to hold consultations with its population on this topic. colleagues yesterday demanded an explanation from the top hungarian diplomat and criticized him for the blockade of the next tranche of the eu fund for ukraine's military needs, which has been going on for months. we welcome the progress that ukraine has made on its way to the eu and the significant efforts, especially

brilliant for a country at war. we hope that ukraine will continue reforms and move forward, i also want to note how important it is that the eighth tranche for the european peace fund was allocated. i do not understand the continued obstruction from the member state, it is not justified. after the meeting, peter sijartto said that pressure was put on hungary to lift the blockade, but it was not possible, and the hungarian diplomat added that it will continue until there is a quote "guarantees from ukraine that hungarian" banks will not be included in the list of international sponsors of the war. budapest does not want to support macro-financial assistance to ukraine. the eu is considering allocating 50 billion euros to it for the next four years. that is why the european commission is preparing plan b, contact each member country with a request to develop its own aid package so that these bilateral initiatives total the same 50 billion. another plan of the european union is facing resistance. it already refers to military aid.

top diplomat josep borel proposed to fill the eu special fund with 20 billion euros, but some eu countries are in no hurry to support the initiative, there are still chances to reach an agreement - the head of the lithuanian foreign ministry said yesterday, and if it does not succeed, he spoke about the plan being considered in this case, to allocate funds for the account is not of all eu states, but only those willing, although lansbergis noted, the load will increase. putin is getting ready to blow the dust off his victory day plans, which he has been putting off for a while, but seeing the debate in washington, europe's inability to move forward, europe has been able to push so that the only day of victory in this war is certain. separate initiatives in this direction are already appearing. biel reports that germany has earmarked an additional 4 billion euros for military aid to ukraine in its budget for next year. dmytro kuleba called the day before colleagues from eu countries to increase it and speed up the delivery time of weapons and ammunition. the bloc's top diplomat said that

discussions were ongoing about the security obligations of the european union to ukraine, and in december a mission will be sent to kyiv to present the unification's proposals. borel said that the european commission is currently finalizing the work on the 12th package of anti-russian sanctions, and kolek urged to be ready to support ukraine in the future, as the details will be discussed today already at the level of eu defense ministers. from brussels, zoryan stepanenko, marek hajduk, radio liberty. dmytro tuzhanskyi, an expert on ukrainian-hungarian relations, joined our broadcast. i congratulate you. good day. well, we heard that the state secretary of the ministry of foreign affairs of hungary announced that the country will even hold a referendum, during which citizens will have to answer the question of whether ukraine has a place in the eu. we have heard statements that ukraine can bring war to the european union. it seems that hungary is not just against ukraine joining the union, but

will also oppose it . it can become such a serious obstacle, it can become a serious obstacle, this alone will not block the movement of ukraine to the european union. viktor orban is starting big deals, long-term deals, that is, he wants to bargain at the very beginning, that is, now he sees that the accession of ukraine, the integration of ukraine into the european union is real, and it is the same... time, according to his logic, you know, to disrupt kush , and several times, he will trade, first of all with brussels, with whom he has disastrous relations, including financial ones, there is no money, money is badly needed, that's why it should be taken seriously, but you know, it's this kind of trick, when you have to understand that hungary will try to block not for the sake of blocking.

the accession of ukraine to the european union, and in order to extract as much as possible from, i don't know stakeholders, as much money, influence and so on, that is, from evros it is banal money and there are other moments where hungary is under sanctions, because of such statements, viktor orban announces casting in the european union, they say, hey there in germany, i don't know, in france, in in the netherlands or somewhere else, if you doubt ukraine's entry into the european union , you don't want to see it there for one reason or another, don't do this dirty work, i'll do it, just offer us something else for it. russia is also on that list, of course, but it is not the only one, so here we have to, you know, be very careful and work precisely in the capitals, first of all, i say once again, these are brussels, berlin, paris, if we are talking about the european union, well now the situation with

financing, the european union of ukraine, this is such a revealing story that can serve as an example, we know that hungary has again blocked a tranche of military aid to ukraine in the amount of 500 million euros, orban's government wants guarantees from kyiv that hungarian companies will no longer be included in the list of international sponsors of war, from ukrainian, and if it is possible to agree here with hungary, will it become such an example that it is possible to negotiate, it is just necessary, as you say, to take certain steps, and go here to meet hungary, and do what it asks, what it requires? well, no, you don't always have to do what hungary demands, not always... hungary demands something substantial, well, this demand that you voiced, it's funny, actually, it's just a pretext for conversation, for blackmail, i'm not that , that i am absolutely convinced that the issue

of military aid, which is currently being blocked by hungary, will be resolved there by the end of the year, i have deja vu this past year, the same issue arose with the loan, if i am not mistaken, of 17 billion, and gochina also said, for i don't know honor, dignity, or worldview about this issue, we will never vote for it after all, they voted for it, so the problem here is bigger than that hungary, because of its special relations with brussels, with the european commission , is taking us hostage, and you know, we are, well , losing time, precious time, time that is measured in ukraine at the cost of life, this is not the first time that hungary is a negotiating country. when there is such a dilemma and then they come to an agreement with hungary or we come to an agreement with hungary, you know, i would simply put more effort, more communication, more arguments on the side of ukraine on the bilateral level, that is, kyiv-budapest,

and on the multilateral level, that is, for example, today i conducted negotiations with budapest directly and through paris. i can't imagine viktor orbán refusing something today, emmanuel macron, or saying, emmanuel , always, i'll play around a little more here and we'll decide on the aid in a month, i think that if the question came up like that, then it would be , you know, everything is quite fast, there is another example of communication, time will tell whether it is successful, if we are talking about an issue that is acute standing in the hungarian-ukrainian relations regarding national vehicles, here is the deputy prime minister... minister of european integration, olga stefanishyna, she stated that ukraine has handed over to hungary a road map for solving issues related to national vehicles, is this possible in your opinion there should be some kind of communication that will bring a certain result, is this really a serious issue that stands between hungary

and ukraine, look, for the sake of understanding, for the approval of a compromise between hungary and ukraine, on the issue of the rights of the hungarian national minority in ukraine, everything is ready, ready for a long time , er, this is a matter of political decisions, which is not profitable for viktor orban, it is not profitable for him to end this dispute, because then if there are no substantial grounds for his, well , anti-ukrainian behavior, then everything else will be, you know, like sweden, well we don't like something there and so on and so on, you too, he will also be able to drag out time, sweden has already been dragged there for almost a year or more, yes, but with... ukrainian-hungarian relations, that's the question, it must be resolved, we held a forum on the weekend, and one of them spoke there of the leaders of the hungarian community in ukraine, jozef borto, and he also proposed a map, there are three options, with all that you know, even he said that otti, well, one of the options, he

based it on these very radical statements of budapest, he says , we understand that this is not a working option , so please here are two more, so everything is ready, now it is up to the politicians and the key is the responsibility of these politicians, i really want to believe that finally, in particular, viktor orban and his team will stop exploiting, to instrumentalize, it is very sensitive, important issue, the rights of the hungarian minority, and they will start to solve it, i would also like to draw attention to such a point that in all strategic documents of hungary, it is written that it is a strategic, i don't know, national interest of hungary for ukraine to be a member of the european union and nato, more moreover, it is a worldview interest for them, because due to the integration of ukraine into the eu and nato, the hungarian nation must unite again, overcome this trauma of trianon, that's why i asked it, by the way, a question to józef bort. he replied that it was very unpleasant for him to hear it, i asked him if it was pleasant

you hear the words that they don't see the ethnic hungarians, for whom they fight so hard, it seems, they don't see them in the european union, well, as for me, it's terrible, it's terrible, dmitry, i thank you very much, this should be one of the reasons to the ukrainian side, which should confirm, as for me, budapest, to stop playing these games, i thank you very much for explaining, because it is always not just international relations, especially when there are such exacerbations, in political statements, at least there are i thank you, dmytro tuzhanskyi, an expert on ukrainian-hungarian relations, was a guest our broadcast. this is the freedom of the mornings, my name is kateryna nekrecha, and further on this broadcast we will talk about important topics. almost 3,000 explosive devices and almost 2,000 hectares in a week. the sappers of the special services, transport, and defense are working at such a pace, but they say that even this is not enough. ukraine is currently the most mined country in the world, according to data. magazine and its demining will take, say, 700 years. how to demine

ukraine and where to get money and means for this, we will talk further. citizens of ukraine who were evacuated from the gas sector were brought to odesa. now there are about 50 people, mostly women with children. they told our correspondent kateryna bankova how they gave birth to children under shelling and how they survived without food and water. why not all family members managed to get out and what it's like to return from one war to another. important news, statements and exclusive comments on our broadcast, all this is here on youtube, on the radio liberty channel, every weekday from 9:00 a.m., join us. during the day , a record number of foreigners were evacuated from the gaza strip to egypt through the checkpoint in rafah, 826 were evacuated the day before persons this is the first evacuation after a two-day pause, as reported by the american cnn. egypt's border guard said it was a record number of foreigners evacuated from the enclave in one day since the escalation between

israel and hamas militants. according to the latest data, 214 ukrainian citizens were evacuated from the gas strip. they are evacuated together with citizens of moldova and sent to chisinau. this is being done by the ukrainian ministry of foreign affairs, the main intelligence agency and the ukrainian embassies in israel and egypt. after that , people go further around the world, if they have somewhere to go. but there are those who don't care. there is no place to file, or their documents are not in order. so, about 50 people, refugees, were taken to odesa from kishenev, they were resettled in the social center of the city, now they are being helped to solve problems with documents and are being provided with humanitarian support. ekaterina bankova , radio liberty's correspondent in odesa, visited the social center where the refugees now live. how many people came to odessa, in what condition are these people, what will they tell you. katya, good morning, yesterday really until the very evening

talked to people who were lucky enough to evacuate from gaza, there are about fifty people who were brought specifically to odessa, and who were brought specifically to odessa, these are mostly women who have lived in gaza for a long time, they married palestinians during their student years and went to permanent residence there, and here they escaped with their children and came to odessa, as for their condition, i think they have not recovered from what they had to go through, they came here literally on saturday evening, late at night, crossed the border of ukraine, everyone says so far they have the feeling that they simply haven't woken up from the horrors they experienced, katya, but do you know what the fate of these people is, what they will do, is it possible to stay in odessa, or do they, maybe there is some kind of program from local authorities for their permanent accommodation?

they have now been settled in one of the social centers, they receive all the necessary help there, public organizations work with them, they help with documents, because some of them have expired documents, for some reason, and in fact they are not given things, you understand, that in gaza the weather is completely different, and they came here literally... in what they were wearing, literally in summer slippers, that's why they had to be here, not to give them clothes, food and everything they need, yesterday, when i there was, already for... about a third of those who came remained, those who went to see their relatives, and those who went to their native cities, but still, some remained, because many people were from those cities, which are now under russian occupation, some were from those cities which are now quite densely shelled, and therefore

they simply have nowhere to go and they stay there, they are not told anything about the duration of their stay in this center, they can stay there as long as they need. katya, you talked to many people, which story impressed you the most from what you heard, and which stories did you manage to record for our viewers? i wrote down four stories, the destinies of these women are quite similar, they all studied at a medical university, met their future husbands right there to study, and after graduation... nature, they went to live in palestine, and many of these women worked and, by the way, continued to work even during the war, and i cannot say which of these stories struck me more or less, because in fact, although these fates i will repeat and are similar, but nevertheless, each of the women experienced and experienced

these events differently, well, it was very interesting to hear about how they morally supported themselves and will support... those whom they treated, i suggest now to listen to the story of svetlana, she is a gynecologist, and just under fire and had to give birth and support parody when we received the message that we were being evacuated and our names were already at the checkpoint, i was in a surgical suit and a white coat, and i was wearing these slippers, so i crossed three borders in them. in the first week, i prepared all the warm things we have, our weather is different, and i left these things in my apartment when the apartment was bombed . during my student years

, i married a palestinian student, after... the end of the internship, both of us the doctors went there to the gas sector, we have lived there for 21 years, we have survived more than one war , if we count, maybe five or six, but we still work, the children were going to the institute, to school, and then this started, not even i don't know what to call it, in the first week of the war, my apartment was bombed, although neither i nor my husband are in any organizations, we are not connected with them in any way, we are both doctors, i... koloh, well, what's up it happened to us, the work was psychologically very difficult, many women came to give birth and died during it men, brothers, there were a lot of girls who gave birth for the first time, whose husbands died, here she is crying, in addition to the fact that during childbirth she will take over her pain, and she cries and says: my husband died, psychologically it is very

it is difficult, or my whole family died, my brothers, my father , well, of course we tried, how we tried to anesthetize... such women, to give birth to them as soon as possible, if possible, and then they went somewhere with these newborns, to school, lived in schools, there were 40-50 people in each class only women, men spent the night at my brother's house, because he has his own house, not an apartment, and we live on the fifth floor, i generally walked home from my brother for an hour every day, because i had water at home, and we did laundry there and bathed with the children , then they returned to their husband's brother again, that day i was like a child, we don't know what we will do tomorrow, we don't even know tomorrow what we will do, will it survive there, will anyone survive there? here my children have arrived, as if they are warm and with food and everything, but they cannot sit, because dad is left there, what will happen next, i don't know yet that the only purpose is to issue documents that are not in order, i am generally from the occupied territory of ukraine from the city of horlivka, that is , i have nowhere to go, nowhere, more

stories of people, interesting stories, dramatic ones on our youtube channel. radio liberty ukraine, join. next, we will talk about demining ukraine. representatives of the state special transport service of ukraine, which is part of the ministry of defense, demined almost 200 hectares in a week. it is about cleaning up the territory liberated after the russian occupation. only during this time, how informs the service, sappers discovered, removed and neutralized 2,804 explosive objects, and in general , since the first days of russia's large-scale invasion of ukraine, officers of the state transport service have neutralized almost 85,000 explosive objects and demined an area of ​​almost 37,500 g. earlier in time it was written that ukraine overtook afghanistan and syria and became the most mined country in the world, and

it will take 757 years to demine the ukrainian territory using conventional methods and resources. in september of this year the prime minister of ukraine denys shmehal stated that as of the end of september , about 174 territories in ukraine remain potentially mined. tens of billions will be needed to clean up these lands. dollars how long, what modern technologies can help in demining, we will talk further. vitaly kyrylov, the spokesman of the state special transport service, colonel, joined our broadcast. i congratulate you. good morning. mr. vitaly, here are the territories, which region in ukraine is mined the most today, and in which areas do your specialists have the opportunity and are working today? well, i want to say that there are no such areas. which are less safe or more safe, because in any areas of the introduction of hostilities, danger remains in areas where

demining specialists did not work, our units work daily in de-occupied territories, mainly work is carried out in kherson, kharkiv, mykolaiv and chernihiv regions what is the situation here, is it even possible to forecast in the occupied territories and in those territories where now are there hostilities? where hostilities take place, there is constant danger, especially for the civilian population, for civilians, because when the front line moves in one direction or another, all the remnants of the war remain in the ground, and this exposes anyone to danger, regardless, these are people, animals, until these areas are demined. vitaliy, how

is the priority of demining determined, for example, when the territory is covered, the populated areas are demined first, and then the fields, or what is the logic of these actions? are defined priorities, yes, these are critical infrastructure objects, the first is roads, where they will be used for the delivery of products, critical infrastructure, it is meant , well, it is roads, bridges, where the movement of civilian transport will be involved for the first time, and then it is already said according to priorities, in any case, all territories are marked , delimitation signs are made, markings are made for the population where it is possible to walk in or come freely, and those areas that are dangerous, beyond which it is not possible to enter. if we speak from

the experience of what there are, how abundant they are russian mines, which are most often mined by russian forces, what is the logic of their actions, there it is possible that it is railway tracks, crossings, roads, including some important objects of critical infrastructure. well, mining is done in order to slow down our troops in the offensive, mining is done in order to simply make traps, mining is also done in any way, and there is a practice of mining civilian cars, just remnants in houses, where they are. .. mined, i believe that it does not lend itself to logic, because they do not want to

use our lands for their intended purpose and are not going to demine them, so they are doing everything to cause more harm to ukrainians, we hear from some statements that there are some modern methods of demining, and we will talk about it now, but before that i want to ask you, and the russian methods...mining, are they soviet or some modern ones? war changes the course of hostilities, everyone learns, and therefore from the russians in particular, we do not expect that they will do something according to methods or according to some algorithm, there is a defined territory with danger, and it is demined... completely, until the last debris from this territory is removed, there are so many trap mines, they remain, well, there are also on the roads,

there are, as i said, also in houses, a lot of cases , when cars drive out of uzbich and detonate themselves on anti-tank mines that the enemy left behind during the retreat. vitali, if we talk about the means by which this demining is currently being carried out, how many are classic, familiar, how many are modern, and what means are possible and could speed up these pace, however, they are not yet available to ukraine, we demine in any way , we detect, yes, modern demining drones are now used, which determine magnetic deviations, precisely for the presence of metals in the soil, this is a remote inspection of the territory, this is not demining, this

the determination of areas where potentially explosive objects can be located is also involved with thermal imaging, because the difference between soil and metals or any objects that are in the soil, temperature is a deviation, it is not a novelty, these are just the realities that we have... reached, in addition, there is a technical survey of the territory by a mechanical method, when demining equipment is used, it passes and throws all the mines to the surface, where they either blow up themselves, and this is very good , which

destroyed the lives of sappers, because sappers have a very dangerous job that requires constant attention, and the lives of other people who will use these lands depend on their work. probably, these modern tools are not enough for work, so how critical, how many percentages are enough, let's say, the eyes are covered how much would you like to spend these funds? well, i would like to have as many means as possible, which, well, do not endanger the sappers themselves, but the work of the sapper , precisely, if we take humanitarian demining, then even after the demining machine has passed through the territory, all absolutely

fragments, and so that the detector does not indicate anything, only in this way we can already say that this area is cleared and already transfer to the balance of communities that it is not explosive, i thank you for joining, tell about your work, important work, vitaly kyrylov, spokesman of the state special service of transport, colonel, because in our on our air we talked about demining ukraine, my name is katya nekrecha, our whole team wishes you... have a good day, see you tomorrow at 90.