[000:00:00;00] others there, the highest sbu leaders, who were put by bakanov, or rather, put by zelsky on bakanov's proposal, and how is bakanov doing, well, we somehow know bakanov and there is no conversation about him, well, like, well, there was a person and he is not, the last information that we heard that he is a lawyer in the poltava region, there are no more questions for him , and this is only one example, i'm afraid, without talking about specific names, because i cannot claim that the same bakanov is a russian agent. maybe he was just so stupid that he understood what was around him it's just a whole spy, you know, some kind of nest, but, but it's obvious that there can be more such people, you know, if a person doesn't understand, being in such a position, it's also a state crime, because if, if you don't understand

, but then, mr. serhiy, it is a state crime of the person who... appointed there, when bakanov was appointed head of the security service of ukraine, i went to the podium of the verkhovna rada and said: you cannot appoint a person just because he is your friend, brother, matchmaker, relative, business partner, and it's wrong because it special service, there is a video of my speech in the verkhovna rada, there is a transcript, and i'm sorry, if now it turns out that it really was a problem, then not only bakanov should be responsible, but... the one who made bokanov the head of the sbu. well, actually the verkhovna rada of ukraine voted, but the president of ukraine appointed, yes, yes, definitely. one more news, this day, the court arrested in absentia the former people's deputy of ukrainyuk kyiv, 14 years in prison, there are four articles for which kyiv was convicted, public appeals to the population changes in power, treason, public

use. symbols of the communist totalitarian regime, public calls for an aggressive war, since there is no kive in ukraine, he was sentenced in absentia and for 14 years with the confiscation of all property, well , the same thing with a kive, in principle, it turns out that the person also worked for russia for a long time and it is not known how long he worked there, moreover, constantly under different flags, he became a leader of the socialists, then he was in the opzzh, then he fled from the opzzh to russia, now he became a member, as i understand it, of the only russia, what he became there , that is zivoy also has a question, why kiva was not questioned by the special services earlier and why it suddenly turned out that he was the kind of person who delayed four articles, well, you and i all understood that kivo was definitely a russian agent, but

here i have no, i'm not a judge, i'll repeat myself. but, but i have no doubt, and the court of ukraine has already sentenced him in absentia to 14 years , and i have no doubt about it, and really, only one question, how was he given the opportunity to escape from ukraine and not bear any responsibility, that's the only thing a question i would like to ask all of us and our services, to the special services of ukraine, but there is nothing to say here, kiva is exactly leino who should bear responsibility, and i very much welcome this court decision. thank you, mr. oleksiy, it was oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine from the european solidarity faction. friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube. don't be stingy, please like this video so that it goes up in youtube trends, and take part in our vote, today we want you

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an application for dismissal. three commanders, tetyana ostashchenko, commander of the medical forces of the armed forces of ukraine , tavriy oleksandr tornavskyi, commander of the operational-strategic group of troops, and serhiy naev, commander of the combined forces of the armed forces of ukraine. so far, there is no official confirmation that there is such a representation, but since they merge into the ukrainian truth, it is obvious that it is more likely than not. in your opinion, what can these personnel rotations be connected with, are they directly connected with - the leader, with the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, valery zaluzhny, and can this be considered as one of the elements of the confrontation. the civilian leadership of the country against the military leadership of the country, so come on, let's go in order, so i

've been watching a lot lately influences that take place in the media, in particular, we all remember volodya ariyev's publication about the industrious himself, there was a stormy reaction and so on, now another publication regarding others, commanders, what can i say, first, overcome the consequences, god forbid the industrious's release, it would certainly be more difficult there than to prejudge it, true, true, i think that volodya ariyev’s publication regarding zaluzhnyi played a good role, well , at least a call from the answers, let’s say, from the relevant world rang out, and thus the situation in if it wasn't so it wasn't, so no one is going to touch it, it's also good for us, what is it, what is it, the main thing is that it remains, because the process of demoralization of personnel in the troops is a very unfortunate story, and it

would lead to demoralization, because there is trust in the hard-working in the troops, this is the most important thing, let's go further, according to today's information, another commander, the commander of the medical forces , had to be driven in the neck for a long time, and i think that no one will ... i doubt it, because i don't even see any complementary statements, her the address, directly from military personnel, from those who know that there is a stopover in the troops, and so on, at the same time , if we are a goy, if we are talking about a goy, well, here is a completely different question, i would like to hear the position of zaluzhny, if zaluzhny there will be deputies of other commanders there without... agreement with him, that’s what it’s called, you take the government into your own hands, relatively speaking, and we’ll give you a job, it’s not good, i don’t think that zelensky would like it after his inauguration to see ivan bakanov as the head of the sbu of ukraine, and relatively speaking,

there is another person, probably not, he wants to be with his team, that's why he tried to take positions with his team, if he is worthy, it's ok, so that means. this is a rotation, if not ok, then, this is the second part of your question, this is an actual opposition of politics, and an opposition of politicians, precisely to the armed forces of ukraine, by whose hands this is done, whether it is done by the hands of zelskyi, or it is done by the hands of umerov, whether it is done by anyone's hands, it is the decision of the political leadership of the country and we have to continue then, accordingly, our own. have, but want to say that without getting attached to surnames, the armed forces of ukraine will fulfill their task, because we understand that the enemy, the primary enemy, is the one on the other side of the trench, and we will deal with our nits later, well, there is another option we

just don't have it, of course, nits can make more patriots die, mr. igor, somewhere, lapin, mr. lapin from... from the air, igor appeared, right? yes, yes, that's it, i just use the phone to get in touch, if someone calls, then the connection breaks, so the situation of course, the decision will be subject to implementation, because we live in a legal state, according to the norms of the constitution and so on, but trying to oppose politicians to the military is a very bad story for our armed forces. i think that these things must agree with the industrious. well, if so, regardless of the names of those who are called by the internet publications that want to change, it is clear that there were a lot of questions about the commander of the medical forces

from both volunteers and the military, about medical support, here in principle the story is clear, but regardless of how these rotations should go, uh , where can zelensky, relatively speaking, over his head and whether he can make a good man over his head, this is taking into account the fact that he is, after all, supreme the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine and where there are the powers of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, well, relatively speaking, can he solve an important issue, through his head, he can, of course, because he is supreme, because he is the president, he even has the authority industrious, as in his time, changed khomchak, he also has the authority according to the current legislation, the question is, i emphasize once again, if you want to bring.

to victory, of course, you need to take into account all sides, but if we are talking about a hard worker, then i believe that this will demoralize the personnel, if , god forbid, someone out there, the hotheads in the president's office will look at the ratings, and not on the realities that are happening at the front, because the rating-dependent team of the president's office is a disaster for ukraine, well, they have nothing there is no saint and all this is done for the sake of it. mr. igor, regarding the future of the war. nato secretary general jen stoltenberg said that it is necessary to prepare for a long journey. in the north atlantic alliance, they say that the fight against the russian invaders will be difficult, long, and progress will be difficult. well, actually, what is being talked about at the highest level in ukraine in the last few months. and at the military level, that is , they already recognize that this war will be very long.

in your opinion, what does the long war mean for europe and for our partners, and what does a long war mean for ukraine and ukrainians? well , let's talk frankly about what it means for europe, well, if, as soon as we see that the entire western world stopped cooperating with the russians, stopped transporting and selling their oil. and so on, then this war would end sooner if greek tankers continue to go to spain with russian oil and unload it there, then the war will last longer, which means that the owners of tankers will earn, the owners of weapons, those who manufacture weapons will earn, and we will fight , we don't have another option, which concerns, is mighty russia so great, it is traded, it is

big. a total embargo on russian campaigns and on those campaigns that provide services to russians to circumvent sanctions, this would cause much faster processes, but the world is not ukrainian-centric, which means for us, as i have already said, on the shoulders of those who in the 22nd year we will not reach lammanov's military commissariat, for us it means that we have to think in the direction of the past, and what will we do, these grabbing people in the middle of the road, there in the middle of the highway, throwing them out of cars. throwing in military coups and sending to the front, this does not solve the problem, well, this is a kidnapping of a person , in fact, it looks like this, sooner or later someone will be sent to prison for this matter, including tsk employees, and they will be right, because it is not it is done, well, it is simply not done, as we know there are many of these stories, but none the less, which means that the state does not want to demonstrate another approach yet, they do not even listen to you and me, because there are a lot of things, which we can today... make up for our losses on

war, i am talking today about the personnel, but where else to recruit them for, well, at least for the rotation of units, i am not saying for demobilization, but for rotation, but politicians continue to engage in politics, they , unfortunately, deal with the country's defense capability, and they were lying in this direction, please tell me, well, who still does not know what a military brotherhood is, please tell me, if people who are not ready to take orders at the beginning will be called to dig on the second line of trenches and will communicate constantly with those who come through through these trenches, as they say, forward to the attack, will they help their brothers, they will, this is exactly how brotherhood is formed, our soldier's, and this is how it always happened, in the 14th year volunteers came, and some of them simply stayed in the units, they continued to go into battle with us, that was it, that is, this experience should be implemented then, further. a cohort of security forces

, well, of course, in order not to go to war, they will carry out any political orders, will pack criminal cases, and against the military, against whom, whom they will point to the fas team, in order to show their importance, they will do it, carry out commissioned , as they say, criminal proceedings, or they will still fabricate, if only not to go to the front, and such a cohort of security forces will grow in our country, state officials, 2,000 state officials, well, they say there are about 40 or 50,000 of them men, i think that in this situation, there are many servicemen who have finished their military career due to their health, were wounded and so on. they can take positions in officials' offices, and for what to keep such a colossal resource of people who are actually civil servants and here now not only law enforcement officers and so on , transfer from the country to military rails, well, of course, this will be a strong centralization of power, because military rails is a very strong

centralization of power, here i i can say that this is how it will happen, but the economy of ukraine must work. everything for the front, everything for victory, i understand that the service sector will not be able to ensure our victory, with the production of coffee, cocktails and so on, but frankly, it can ensure our victory with a conditional 50 percent tax, well, for example, i won’t get into the economy right now, but before the war, an entrepreneur paid 5%, and today he also pays 5% and hides all this through the media, that he is engaged in the economic front, but how it has changed in terms of percentage, how much you paid before the war and how much you pay today, not at all, but what is this front, what is this economic front, well, we also have a cultural front in restaurants, in taverns and in various shows, well

, that has nothing to do with the front, that's why we need to change fundamental approaches, we have ukraine's mobilization resource, if i'm not mistaken, more than 6 million. somewhere they said up to 9 million, the russians have 25 million, we have nine, okay, a million in the trenches, where are the other eight, or six, well, there are students, okay, let them study , so there are five, well, where are the 5 million, then go out to the people, tell them honestly, it will be like this and so, communal enterprises can leave 20-30% in order to to have the critical necessary mass of people to perform their , their work, but no, what the hell, what kind of armor, what kind of armor, it's not armor, and such we have, listen, we have such armored personnel now, believe me, several million , it’s not, it’s not an interesting story for those who today without rotation, without 24 by 7, the second day

in the trenches, that’s it, if we don’t change mobilization approach, then what kind of victory do we expect to hold out for years, decades, well, well, okay, zelensky said i will not work with putin , he even issued a decree, well, okay, putin is going to be president until the 30th year, that is, zelensky is ready to fight until 2030 -th year, well, i wonder then, what forces are on the shoulders those who broke down in the 22nd, and we will finish earlier, that's all, that's why all these things need to be solved in a complex, we need to land our, let's say, landing forces in western countries in the context of cooperation with the parl of other countries, well, it can't , well, yermak doesn't want to travel everywhere and decide everything, and to malta, and to the states , and somewhere else there, well, no, he won't have time, and zelensky himself won't have time, then he asks himself, which one more, stepanchuk earns himself in good faith 364 articles of the criminal code, abusing power, not releasing deputies

on a business trip, to a meeting of the united nations, he will be there and so on, as for what reasons, why criminal proceedings have not yet been initiated. they turned ukraine from a parliamentary-presidential to an office-presidential one, and it will be very difficult for us with this trash, but it is impossible to hold elections, how can we beat the negativity out of power, so that without holding elections, radical changes in the context of the fight against corruption will take place in the government and so on, okay, since we cannot change those whom we have chosen, well, because it is martial law and this cannot be done, replacement an army of officials... this is exactly who was appointed to elected positions, well, that's all, in this way we can solve the issue of anti-corruption, well, for example, what kind of structure is that, the office of the president, i don't know such a structure, in the constitution of such a structure in we are not there, 80 people work full-time, freelance, part

-time, advisers, advisers, contractors, a company of personnel, well, okay, a company, well, let's keep half of them, half a platoon. this story is what they are for, they are fund-raisers, so they are not officials, they are not are responsible for nothing, but nevertheless, yermak can come out and say, i have instructed the prime minister to find out who you are, what authority do you have to give instructions to the prime minister, the head of the executive branch of power in the parliamentary-presidential republic, this trash will not fall on our heads, but nevertheless we will have to fight with him, it is true, it will be difficult , more of us will die, it is true, corruption is slowing down the decision-making on aid, this statement was made by president litvyseda, the delay in the decision on providing us with airplanes . causes to the fact that my two brothers have now caught a cab, well, this is a controlled aerial bomb, and are now in the hospital, physicists, taxi drivers,

yes, the arbitrary decision-making regarding airplanes, i directly believe that it is he who is responsible for all the corruption in ukraine , to date, he is the one who brought this trash to power, all the trash came under the name of the president, he did not come under the name of yermak, we did not even know who yermak was, he was not on the lists in the election campaign even, you understand, but in this trash went to the name of the president, so be it are responsible, what the hell, my two boys are now in the hospital , from the fact that the cabal was caught, from the fact that we were detained, the decision with the planes, well, if it is related decisions, and who will be responsible for it, society's request for justice eh, justice must be done, lack of justice will give rise to tyranny, tyranny is the loss of the state, i don't want to lose the state, thank you, sir. igor, thank you for the inclusion, it was an officer of the armed forces of ukraine, major of the armed forces of ukraine, igor lapin, friends, we

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dubinsky's call sign was apparently, pinocchio, how do you perceive this information, and what do you say about the possible presence of russian agents in the highest echelons of the current government of ukraine. in my opinion, it is necessary to separate the two. business, one thing specifically, oleksandr dubinsky, a people 's deputy, a deputy from the servants of the people faction, and the second, more serious situation, this is really a hostile agency in the authorities and in the ukrainian government. let's start with the case itself, oleksandr dubinsky, now the court session has started in kyiv , here with us, and the court session is closed according to the petitions, the petition of the prosecutor's office, and the court went to a meeting in the prosecutor's office, that is, the prosecution, the people's deputy on behalf of the people, and the sbi and the security service of ukraine, put forward, both in the

criminal organization, participation in the work of the criminal organization aimed at undermining the international authority of ukraine, and secondly, it is cooperation with the special services of the aggressor, that is, in treason. either way, both articles are very serious, the only thing that is a little surprising is that before the court session, before the official... beginning of the proceedings even in the court of evidence, so much information appeared in the press, who provided it, declassified it, and so on, i i think, including now, it will be clarified in court, but as for the more serious issue, it is the agency of the enemy, the enemy in the authorities, this is actually a huge problem, because, well, we already four more years in the opposition, but it is clear that the opposition is not interested in the agents of any enemy special service, the special services are always looking for an approach and opportunities to conduct their hostile activities in the government and in the authorities, so i urged and

urge that indeed during the war , now during actions: martial law, it is possible and necessary to carry out a serious, one hundred percent , i emphasize, one hundred percent counterintelligence check of all, and now who should be checked, people's deputies of ukraine, there are not so many of us left, less than 400, all ministers and deputy ministers, starting with the defense and security forces, and on , all who are responsible for the budget and so on, and in addition to: government officials, i would also conduct a background check of judges, and at least key judges of ukraine. in addition to the counter -intelligence check, i also believe that a lie detector check should be carried out during the martial law, on lie detectors, how it is done, the mechanism in the legislation is simple,

the relevant agency must be registered with the ministry of justice or relevant firm. to have a license and then it is possible and necessary to conclude a contract on outsourcing and check on a lie detector those same people in power or in authorities. well, and thirdly, what is already underway, and i fully support it, is an anti-corruption inspection, because espionage, the state council, and the hostile activities of special services are always associated with huge amounts of money, and make no mistake if you look for top traitors among the top corrupt. mr. valentin, you mentioned declarations, property, and what officials, civil servants, or people's deputies own in ukraine, in relation to dubinsky, there were also journalistic investigations about the large auto park in dubinsky, and this phrase: "mom likes speed, how he answered the question of where he has so many cars from and why they are registered to mom, and it turns out that since

2016, well at least, if you believe the investigation or the material of the operative work of the sbu, he worked for the main intelligence agency of the russian federation, so when we talk about the success or failure of the security service of ukraine, obviously we should talk not only about stating the fact that we caught dubinsky, who has been a people 's deputy for 5 years, he turned out to be a russian agent, and when he was at the stage of a candidate for office or when running for the upper house. council, we see a certificate from the sbu that this person works for the russian federation in general, that is, based on the prejudice that such people did not get into power at all, why now we see that many people who were connected to russia are in power, who worked for russia, who during the war went over to the side of the enemy, or surrendered the south

of ukraine, as is the case with the head of the khersonsk administration. his sbu administration, that is, why do we not have a prejudice, why, why do we constantly state the facts, when already , well, relatively speaking, when he was already caught by the hand and it is clear that he is already an agent and has done a lot of damage to ukraine, i will answer you very professionally, i i think that the sbu, other ukrainian special services , and the state bureau of investigation had materials on people's deputies even before the start of the war, and at the beginning of the full-scale aggression of the russian federation, regarding the possible involvement of enemy special services, of the aggressors as such in connivance, in collaboration and in treason as such, i would, in my opinion, now only independent, professional investigative bodies should carry out a serious check, why

these materials were not allowed to pass, why operative and investigative materials, materials of the operational activities of the ukrainian counter-intelligence were hidden under the table, were not brought to court, why were the well-founded suspicions gathered by ukrainian counter-intelligence agents about people's deputies, ministers, representatives of other authorities delayed for some reason, they were not given the go-ahead, why in the leadership, for example, the sbu, at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, so many traitors were revealed, and in the leadership, not somewhere in secondary positions, i believe that this is the answer and it is in such actions that we will be able to get a public, true answer to what happened , and most importantly, in addition to the answer, we must draw conclusions so that this does not happen again in the future, so that collaborators and advisers do not get to leadership positions, especially in the defense and security forces of ukraine, mr. valentin, yet

one story that is being spread today... especially by the russian mass media is that the ukrainian special services, and more precisely the colonel of the sso, roman chervinskyi,