[000:00:00;00] therefore, regarding people's deputies, ministers, representatives of other authorities, the well-founded suspicions gathered by ukrainian counter-intelligence agents were slowed down for some reason, they were not given the go-ahead, why did so many traitors appear in the leadership of, for example, the sbu, at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, and on management, not somewhere in secondary positions , in my opinion, this is the answer, and it is in such actions that we will be able to get... a public, true answer to what happened, and most importantly, apart from the answer, it is necessary to do conclusions, so that this does not happen again in the future, so that collaborators and traitors do not get into leadership positions, especially in the defense and security forces of ukraine. mr. valentin, another story that is being spread today, especially by the russian mass media, is that the ukrainian

special services, and more precisely, colonel... sso roman chervinskyi, who, we remember, testified in the wagnergate case, and then his was put in sizo for luring russian planes to one of the airfields on ukrainian territory, and then arrived at the airport. for example, the washington post and derspiegel, a respected german magazine, write about the fact that the special services of ukraine were preparing a special operation on gas detonation. nord stream-2 and well, taking into account those materials and references to materials published by the washington post and spiegel, it looks like the ukrainian, ukrainian special services are quite strong in conducting such special operations, why did chervinskyi appear there, or was he was involved in this or was not involved, the publications write about what zelskyi did not know

about this, from your experience and from the knowledge that you have, as a member of the parliamentary committee on national security and intelligence, what is happening around this case, the north stream-2, the detonation of the gas pipeline and the involvement of the ukrainian special services in this? i will make a small one, i work in the committee on european integration, but twice i actually managed the ukrainian special service, which is called the security service of ukraine, so i claim precisely from my experience of the national security of ukraine that the ssbu has neither operational nor other opportunities for this kind of sabotage, as happened on the northern stream i, or not only the northern stream two. moreover, the security service of ukraine mostly works on its territory, that is, protecting the territories of ukraine, including the temporarily occupied

territories. therefore, balttia, the northern streams are quite far and quite problematic, this is my personal opinion and my personal professional conclusion, but regarding what is happening in the foreign press around, including information that western journalists collect from various sources and then taught in my materials, i think that this is the normal work of the free world , of free journalism, and it should be given credit that journalists such as bilt, other publications, the washington post, by the way, the american one, work, as a rule, with different sources, and these sources can to prove clearly that, for me, the first source of various information regarding certain special operations , especially during the russian aggression, is officially the general staff of ukraine, the official security service of ukraine, and yes, the president of ukraine, because the

security service of ukraine is subordinate to the . to the president of ukraine, nor to the parliament, nor to the parliamentary committee, nor to any other bodies, directly and directly, i tell you , this is like the head of the sbu twice, and moreover, my subordination meant that for serious operations, for serious use of the forces of the security services, i always received approval from presidents, i worked with more than one president of ukraine, but about serious operations, the head of the sbu reports to the president, about the results, both positive and negative, he reports to the president of ukraine. roman chervinsky through his the lawyer denied any involvement in the sabotage of the pipelines, and in your opinion, can the russians in this situation be one of the sources of information for respectable publications, where , in principle, they could influence the

information that then appears in world... media, how widespread is this practice in the world's special services? i think, yes, mr. serhiy , you as a professional immediately grasped the main point, so journalists could bump into, persuade, or... listen to either agents of the russian federation, or directly to false persons who money, any tales will be told to journalists, passing it off as some reliable, operational, or intelligence information, my conclusion is the same. i also want to ask you about information that is widely discussed today in social networks and online publications, i don't know how they talk on other tv channels. nor about the possible rotation of three commanders in the armed forces of ukraine, the commander of the medical forces of the armed forces of ukraine tetyana ostashchenko, the commander of the operational-strategic grouping of tavria oleksandr tornavskyi and the commander of the united forces

of the armed forces of ukraine serhiy naev. sources , in particular ukrainian pravda, say that ostashchenko had questions about medical care, both from the military and from volunteers, there were a lot of them per year. kan, regarding tarnavskyi, regarding naev, here the publication assumes that they are the closest to general zaluzhnyi, and this may be one of the reasons why they want to change them, do you know about possible personnel rotations, if they do happen, or , they are within those powers that exist in the country, well, that is, there is a minister of defense, he submits a submission to the supreme chief. the commander and he can submit these submissions, as far as i understand, and without coordination with valery zaluzhny, correct? yes, now during martial law, why, here is my short answer, i do not see intrigue , secondly, i will add, why i do not see intrigue, because

during martial law, all power, yes, we gave to the supreme commander of ukraine, to the president of ukraine, and he can change at least 100%, if that is his decision, and we all have to fulfill. during martial law and our servicemen must comply with any orders and orders. as far as i understand, we are mostly talking about personnel decisions now. i still think that this is, you know, the continuation of russian information special operations, then some rumors were spread about it, now that they were asked and ukraine did the right thing , they questioned these rumors, now about the commanders-in-chief others, well, my questioning is very short, look where i was , the head of special operations, general naev, is not long ago, worked with western partners, as far as i know, all of them and the leadership of the general staff are preparing for the next ramstein, which will be right, the day after tomorrow

, that is, serious and combat work is actually underway, and the international work of the commanders, the general staff, and commander-in-chief zaluzhnyi, and the supreme commander -in-chief of the president of ukraine, therefore intrigues and such , you know, semi-russian information operations, i suggest to all ukrainians to keep calm, as we did at the beginning of the aggression, to believe in the armed forces and our victory. but, mr. valentine, if the russian information and psychological special operations prevail or defeat us, it means that we are not doing enough to prevail over the pso, not just enough, but i'm sergey, i'm sorry, i apologize for interrupting you a little, i actually... emotionally reacts like this, because he is convinced that you, journalists, should have been admitted to the verkhovna rada a long time ago, so that you could work with us, so that you would be the first, you know, among the primary sources of information that the citizens of ukraine should know, let it

be different, in different ways evaluated, and other bodies the authorities should also work professionally with our professional journalists, just as i believe that it is possible and necessary to restore freedom of speech on both digital and other channels, on youtube, to give opportunities to ukrainian journalists to cover the true situation, true events, listen more to the press center of the armed forces of ukraine, to broadcast and show more of the truth about the combat work of our defenders, in my opinion, the time has come, otherwise we will swallow the echoes of russian special information operations. at the very end, the question is how professional, regarding ukrainian work. they are on international media platforms, earlier in the times of the soviet union there or soviet ukraine, we had other broadcasting there or publications that were made for abroad and

influenced abroad, and it is clear that at that time, the soviet special services influenced in this way what happened in the west either informed, we now have almost no such channels, or they are, they are... quite weak, and why does the verkhovna rada of ukraine, well, not initiate the creation of such platforms in order to, well to beat russia in the international arena and create its own copper. field, including presenting true information through their platforms, without using time magazine there, because it is not clear what they write to journalists, or others, there british or german knowledge, well, i think that it is necessary to use all international media, electronic, digital , any to convey the truth about the events in ukraine, about the crimes of the aggressor, and so on, and so on, this is the first position, the second, i would not even

talk so much about... the council and proputativ here now, i emphasize this much once again, in my opinion it is possible and necessary to support that there is more ukrainian information product, but about the defense of the country, about combat work, about volunteers, about the wounded, about humanitarian needs, about the use of humanitarian aid, about old hospitals and so on , and so on, that is, about the real state of affairs in the country, which is fighting against russian aggression, not about politicians, i repeat, not about... not even about the parliament or the office of the president, that is not important, but for some reason we think that our intrigues are interesting to someone, that's me i declare to you responsibly, no one is interested in how to do it, well, i not only join you and thank you for such opportunities when you provide, but i even work with arab tv channels, it would seem that where am i, where are the arab tv channels, as i worked in america, in finland, with american, british, and other countries, i still work, but sergiu, including at night... on arabic tv channels, so there is arabic language, so there is

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ends. we are talking about ukraine, the world, the economy, the war, the elections, everything that interests you, dear tv viewers, today the guest of verdict, ivanna klympushtsadze, people 's deputy of ukraine, european solidarity faction, ms. ivanna, i welcome you and i am glad to see you in eteri, good evening, thank you for zalia klymenko, people's deputy of ukraine, voice faction, mrs. yulia, glad to see you, good evening, and oleg dunda, people's deputy of ukraine. servant of the people faction. mr. olezh, glad to see you. i would like to congratulate everyone and my colleagues in the same way. mrs. yulia, good afternoon and evening. good day. in the course of this program, we conduct. survey both on tv and on our youtube and facebook platforms, today we ask, dear tv viewers, viewers, do you think fsb agents work in the ukrainian government, yes, no, two options for the answer, if you have your own answer, please write in the comments

on youtube or facebook, if you are sitting in front of the tv, you can vote by calling the numbers, yes 0800 211 380. no 0800 211-382. all calls to these numbers are free. at the end of the broadcast, we will sum up the results of this vote. well , ladies and gentlemen, let 's try to answer the same question in the form of a blitz poll. well, taking into account the fact that today the security service of ukraine has accused ukrainian people's deputy oleksandr dubinsky of treason. they work in your way in the ukrainian government. fsb agents, let's start with ms. klynpusze. you and i know that until the 14th year, russia did everything in order to spy on all the power institutions of ukraine, with agents of its various structures, so i do not rule out that today

we still have unfulfilled agents, well, i would like to believe that no new ones were introduced there. thank you, thank you, ma'am. well, they are undoubtedly working , we have a whole opzh faction in the parliament, which now consists of two groups, so there is no doubt, i would rephrase the question, how many are there, that is, there are none here doubts that they are present in all state authorities. thank you, mr. olezh, how many do you think there are, as ms. yulia asks, fsb agents in the ukrainian government, mr. serhiy, if i knew how many there are, of course they are, but i wanted to start a little bit differently, i would like to congratulate your colleague yehor chicherenda, to wish him good health, so that he may return to us unscathed from the ssu, healthy and, of course, victorious, may he be lucky and may he fight for ukraine and for us and you as much as possible ,

neutralization returns to us, returning to your question, of course they are, they are definitely in the session hall and the verkhovna rada, what we saw, they are in the local session halls. most likely they are in law enforcement agencies, over 30 years the fsb has played a lot of russian games or whatever it is called now, the main administration seems simple and it spammed all echelons of the ukrainian government, among the opposition of the former and existing, and among the authorities, there are certainly such, in by the way, by the way, there were more than 2 million ukrainians unofficially counted before the 22nd year citizens had russian passports and they would be everywhere, then according to this time i , the sbu, and counter-intelligence are on it, so that they and the gur are on the order to be caught and destroyed in our warehouses. mr. oleg, and the fact that the sbu is now raising suspicions against your

former party member and fellow faction member, it does not upset you very much, what do you mean, if his guilt is proven, it will make me... happy, because in the end such a person was kidnapped and convicted, this is one less traitor, but on the condition that if he really is a traitor, and what it is will be proven by law enforcement agencies and will be proven in court. well, now the trial is ongoing, or the trial on the selection of a preventive measure for oleksandr dubinsky, a break in this session, we will keep an eye on it, of course, but let's talk about foreign affairs, about how the world comments on what is happening in ukraine, which proposals, what ideas does the world community have on how to help ukraine, the former secretary general of nato rasmussen put forward a proposal for ukraine to join the alliance without the territories occupied by russia, about

it is reported by the guardian that, as the former secretary general of the north atlantic alliance said, it is time to take... the next step is to invite ukraine to join nato. we need a new european security architecture in which ukraine will be at the very heart of nato. the absolute reliability of article five guarantees would prevent russia from intensifying attacks on ukrainian territory within nato and would thus free up ukrainian forces to be sent to the front. to make article five convincing , it is necessary to give russia a clear signal that any violation of nato territory will be met. in response, this is the statement made by rasmussen, mrs. ivanna, what do you say about this statement, taking into account the fact that , in fact, such a statement goes against international

law, and ukraine, according to the version of the former secretary general of nato, should become nato, but without occupied territories, that is, was there such a practice in nato, when countries that had occupied or annexed territories joined the alliance, but let's be careful, after all. read what the former secretary general of the alliance proposed, eh, because, well, the first example comes to mind, then this is an example of germany, a divided germany, a part of which first entered the alliance, and then there was the reunification of germany and, as a result, another part of it, which until then was supposedly a separate state, but under the direct influence of ... of the soviet union, part of the so-called warsaw bloc, and it joined, joined the alliance

, respectively, as part of germany, already united germany, we do not have exactly the same history and this analogy is not exactly direct, but as i understand it what mr. suggested rasmussen, he did not deny that ukraine, as a matter of fact, the entire internationally recognized territory should be... a member of the alliance and join the alliance. the question of extending the fifth article to one or another part of the generally recognized ukrainian territory is what rasmussen proposed today, well, i also analyzed the proposal of our other colleagues, well, a large number of american and former, and well, former diplomats, military, analysts who not so long ago, well, in cooperation with the kyiv

security forum, they came up with a proposal, regarding the need to invite ukraine to the alliance right now at the same washington summit that rasmussen is talking about, they too, as a matter of fact, if we go into details, they also talk about a certain gradual spread of security guarantees by the alliance to those territories that controlled i believe that some creative approaches to how, as quickly as possible, ukraine can be anchored in the alliance, they should have the right to discuss, this is important in order for the alliance to actually accept all of ukraine, because it is obvious that nato is the structure that doesn't give a damn. territorial integrity of ukraine, and how to implement it step by step?

perhaps, well, this is one of the options that, when it is put on the agenda , that it was accepted for, for general discussion in the alliance, and unfortunately this does not happen at all, yes, if it was accepted for discussion, it would allow to come to some decisions that would really seriously bring ukraine closer to either an invitation or, as another step, already to washington in washington next july. mrs julia, it is clear that what rasmussen says does not fit into the current logic of the north atlantic alliance, because there are some rules, there is a practice of how countries join the north atlantic alliance, there is a procedure, but it is clear that the war that is currently raging on territory of ukraine, this is also a challenge for the north atlantic alliance, because for the first time since the second world war such a large-scale full-scale war is ongoing on

the european continent, and it is clear that nato must also be much more flexible in the current situation than anyone else, given the threats that the russian federation poses not only to ukraine, but to the north atlantic alliance, in your opinion, what and how can change the position of nato in this matter. what is ms. klynpush tsintsadze talking about, that is, what can push nato to adopt some decisions that will lead to a positive result specifically for ukraine? well, first of all, you understand, the international order has actually been destroyed, and at the moment neither international law nor the international order as such is valid, russia invaded the territory of ukraine in the 14th year, then in the 22nd we

we see, let's say, the regrouping of authoritarian regimes, in fact, i think that for nato any expansion and expansion beyond... ukraine, which is actually the only country among european countries with practical experience of war, a million-strong army, and the ability to use the nato weapons, it will significantly strengthen nato. i think that nato, including, must understand and must inform them, those who communicate that the inclusion of ukraine as such, as a whole, with, as a rule... said my colleague, ms. ivanna, with the distribution of the fifth article on unoccupied territories, in the future after de-occupation and on de-occupied territories, will significantly strengthen nato, because nato so far looks like a very parquet structure with a lost, i would say compass, that is, they need, countries like

ukraine will give them more added value than, than any other countries that have not tried in war, that do not understand modern war , that do not know how to build, let's say, defense strategies in modern war, so i think that this is one of the options that should be considered by ukraine as well, mr. oleg, please tell me please, we know that the nato summit was held in july 23rd, and ukraine told ukraine that your future is, of course, in the north atlantic alliance, but you have to follow that path, which is not usual there, but at least you are making a commitment , which you fulfill, you become a member of the north atlantic alliance, there are many hopes for the washington nato summit, it will be an anniversary for nato, and i would like it to be, not an anniversary, a celebration for us, because we could become the 33rd a country of

the north atlantic alliance, what about you can ukraine do, and is it possible for the ukrainian leadership and the ukrainian authorities to convince our alliance partners that we can be worthy participants in the north atlantic alliance and that this will only benefit europe, first of all, well, and to the whole world, because ukraine under the umbrella of nato is security for the rest of the world, which can suffer from ... aggressive russia? well, the path is quite simple and clear, but it is very difficult to complete it, but this is the path, victory, there are no other options, and after victory, it will already be a political decision, the acceptance of ukraine into nato, another question is what it will be for nato, what will be its function and tasks after the victory of ukraine, this is another question, and as i understand it, another topic for conversation, not now,

but in relation to rasmensan , returning to it, it is quite strange. for the past month, i have been closely following this topic, and who is saying what about nato, and to me, rasmussen's statement resonates very much with me, for example, with aristovych's statement, which aristovych said something similar for about two weeks, or statements from goncharenko are the same, and it seems to me that such statements, they feel the ground for the conclusion of some kind of peace agreement or truce, or negotiations with the russian empire, so i want to say that this is a completely pointless conversation, those people who they try to say that, they don't really understand our enemy, they have already forgotten what started the great war, it didn't start on february 24, it started a few months before , the big one, of course, the war started on the 14th, but this is the offensive , it began somewhere at the end of the 21st year, i will remind you from the statements of moscow,

regarding the ultimatum regarding the expansion of nato, not even expansion, but the statement that there should be less than it is today, and here is some kind of miracle, although i have never heard that moscow changes its position, it somehow has to agree with the fact that ukraine will partially join nato, well, this is a very strange story , i do not see such an option as it will happen, in general, such conversations and such proposals, this is weakening, this is actually the creation of preconditions, on the part of those who declare or are preparing such speeches. new minsk agreements that will not work at all and will tear apart ukrainian statehood in general, moreover, i note that i would not pay attention to the statements of mr. rasmus, of course he is an absolutely respectable person, he is the former secretary general of nato, he is a good specialist there, but here it is necessary to consider that it is not he who makes the decision, the decision is ultimately made by the leaders of those countries who