[000:00:00;00] its positions, for some reason it must agree with the fact that ukraine will partially join nato , well, this is a very strange story, i do not see such an option as it will happen, in general, such conversations and such proposals, this is weakening, this is actually the creation of preconditions, on the part of those who announce or prepare such speeches, the new minsk agreements , which do not work at all and will tear ukrainian statehood apart, moreover, i note that i would pay attention to the statements of mr. rasmus, of course, he is a respectable, absolutely human, he is former the secretary general, nato, he is a good specialist, but here it must be considered that he is not the one who makes the decision, the decision is ultimately made by the leaders of the countries that are currently members of nato, and it is difficult for me, it is really difficult to see into the future,

to realize such an option a scenario where turkey, hungary, and slovakia make a political decision that during the war, when it will still be, rockets are fired, small arms are fired, cannons are fired, at this moment , these leaders of these countries will agree that ukraine will partially join nato, for them it is difficult, even the inclusion of sweden in nato, let alone talk about ukraine, look at the statements, for example, that orban or fitz. and you think, someone thinks, the same rasmos, or goncharenko or rysovych think that they will be able to convince these people, no, not at all, the only option is to convince them and involve them in this and give their consent, it is ukraine that must win and prove that the eastern on the borders of these states there is a large country, which, in principle, is nothing compared to hungary and slovakia, moreover, it must

be considered that there are many. there are many calls or analyzes regarding the fifth article of the nato charter, i want to note that if we remove iraq, well, because it is still not a hundred percent model, in the entire existence of nato, no one has ever copied the fifth article of nato, and moreover, you i want to note that recently, i was in brussels , they talked, including with the bureaucrats, from brussels, about this, and they do not publicly, privately say that they do not...' want to check whether it works at all, so whether this organization will try to avoid altogether any possibility, even the theoretical risk that someone will test the validity of this fifth article, everyone understands this and no one even wants to ask the question whether ukraine is worth a great war with nato, they don't even want to ask the question whether klaipėda is worth a great war, therefore, all these conversations are, well, i

would just call the word promiscuity, there is also the only option for obtaining the status of a nato member - this is a victory in this war and not for a part of ukraine, in general for all of ukraine. well, you mentioned goncharenko twice during your short speech and arestovych in the same context, well, to be honest, we discussed with you during the last program, and i have a link, your assistant removed it from the washington post, well, there is no such thing as goncharenko, there is goncharenko, goncharenko said it, they will remove it again. there is not a single word about the three minsk agreements, this is manipulation by mr. olezh, so, once again , you can quote honcharenko, he says there that as a proposal, he told the journalist washingtonko that ukraine can partially join nato, there is such a thing , mr. sergey, listen,

speech, speech, speech, speech about the third minsk agreements, which you said, is not there, and once again, there is a partial introduction to nato, there is the same thing that arestovich says, look, because god is with him , with arestovich, and with honcharenko , i am not a lawyer for aristovych or goncharenko, and of course i am concerned about the conversations that are currently taking place about possible peace talks, because these topics are constantly, constantly thrown into the information field, musk is already throwing out the proposal for the second time. that zelensky should agree to the proposals for peace negotiations and not to send ukrainians to die, he said on the air of the evening podcast of scientist lex friedman. let's listen to this part. i would simply not advise sending the flower of ukrainian youth to die in the trenches, will he talk to putin or not? just

don't do it, anyone. an offensive means the loss of a huge number of people. history will not treat them kindly. ms. ivanna, musk is quite an influential person in the world. with, well, in particular, his public performances, because a person has an audience of millions, or dozens millions, hundreds of millions of people who read it, who listen, who listen, it is clear that musk leans more towards russia, and that is why he is obviously going to an it conference in moscow in november, which will be held at the end of this month, and yet , who in your opinion and in what way is testing no... the need for peace talks in any format, is russia working with musk, or is it political forces in the united states of america, and russian forces are working with them, or what is it for the force that constantly advances

this thesis about the need for peace talks, and peace talks on moscow's terms, when part of the territory, as they say, will remain under the control of the russian federation, or, as they say. russian diplomats accept the new territorial reality, well, simply put, agree to the occupation, you know, musk behaves almost like mr. oleg, he takes a part, some piece of the truth, and then twists it and twists it in such a way, people think , that it really has some kind of preparation there, mr. oleg, for example, said there, why does anyone think that moscow should agree to the fact that ukraine joins, moscow has nothing to do with it... weather, joins nato. moscow, i'll just tell you, mr. oleg, it doesn't have to agree to anything, we won't ask it, it's simple, and so for every thesis that you, what you said, including about, about the mantra,

that there will be no new minsk agreements, there is something to talk about, it would be if we concentrated on it, but let's talk about musk, musk is the representative, unfortunately, of that part, the influential part, including american society, but not only american society, which is really, constantly looking for options to advise the victim country, instead of advising to influence and pressure the aggressor country, and in fact, to use its influence opportunities in order to stop those who destroy , finally, breaks down the remnants of our people's law and who believes that the right of force can determine the future of the world, not realizing that if those who today offer the right of force instead of the right of law or the right of agreement, they

will win this war, then it means straight directly a serious threat to the united states of america and to its national security, unfortunately, the votes, whether it is short-sightedness, whether it is business interests, whether it is influences, including from the middle of the russian federation, it does not even have a real meaning, because unfortunately, these voices, they will be heard and they have been heard since the very beginning of the russian aggression, but , i mean since the 14th year, and including at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, and now they ... will intensify, in particular because of , that in a large number of countries, we let's go, or rather, a large number of countries are entering the election process, and this, unfortunately, will become all these - ideas that

cannot in any way be really transformed into any actions, and, because it is impossible to have a conversation with the russian federation, before that time, here i can agree until it receives... ' defeat, when russia receives a defeat in this war, then we can talk about some negotiations that will allow, for example, the obligation of russia to pay reparations, or some other things that will be related to her defeat, but for now, it is obvious that we understand that russia does not and has never demonstrated in any way its... ability to comply with any agreements that it entered into, signed, assured and so on, so

we just need to look for tough, clear, factual arguments that will make it possible to reach different stakeholders, that is, different parts, including american society, in order to convince them that the defeat of russia in this war is in the national interest of the united states america, and precisely because of that, the united states of america should not give advice through the mouth of musk to the ukrainians on how to behave in this war, but focus as much as possible on helping the ukrainians to win. well, ms. ivano, it is absolutely obvious that the defeat of russia in the interpretation, the west and our interpretation, these can be different concepts, i.e. what, for the west, is the defeat of russia and what is the defeat of russia for ukraine? well, for this we need to have a common vision together with our partners, what it is, what is a victory for ukraine, what is a victory

of the free world and what is the defeat of the russian federation, i have my own understanding of what it should look like, but obviously, today we have heads of state who offer, well, their own vision of a peace formula, and obviously, everyone, well , the whole world has reasons, due to the fact that this is the president of the country, has to...' take this opinion into account or not take it into account, agree or disagree and work around what the president of ukraine is proposing today, but yes, we have to agree with primarily with our partners and allies as it should be look like the defeat of the russian federation, the biggest problem today is that there is no unity in the approach that ukraine must win and that we need to ... help until ukraine

wins, because of the fact that we value extremely, extremely that they are helping us and we very much expect that, in particular , american military aid will be continued, and a decision will be made to allocate additional funds for next year, at the end of this year, in order to allocate weapons to ukraine and help us to purchase weapons and deliver them as quickly as possible, but at the same time, the formula works for now, we will help ukraine as much as necessary, i always want, i miss the completion of this phrase, as much as is needed for ukrainian victory and for the defeat of russia, that's when, even the wording is such and the clarity of this wording will allow us to jointly come to a conclusion on what it should look like and what it should consist of, what it should be, how much russia should be weakened, how isolated russia should be,

how much it should be. should be punished for so that she could never again carry out any attack, neither on her neighbors, nor on helping in the attack and stirring up wars in other parts of the world, as she is doing now and with the help of her uncles, friends, such as the north korea, iran and all kinds of terrorist organizations like hamas. mrs. yulia, why do you think? the world is not ready for the defeat of russia, and what is holding the world back in order to overthrow this racist regime, carry out the de-rasification, deputization of russia, well, and create the prerequisites for a future safe world, because the existence of russia in in the form in which it is now, it threatens not only ukraine, but the whole world , i would say the planet earth, this is how it seems to us in ukraine, in fact, the world and america

see a completely different enemy for themselves, and this is written in their strategic documents , and this enemy is china. therefore, we definitely live in the region with russia, for us the biggest enemy is russia, but for the world it has a little different, different , let's say, dimensions, because there are many countries, and there are many, let's say, conflicts where china plays a lot more important role than russia, and accordingly he is the biggest enemy, so i fully agree with you that with the existence of the integrity of a whole russia within the existing borders, with the existing regime, the kremlin, we have no chance of not getting reparations, even if we win, and no chance of a safe life

, because the concentration of monetary resources, weapons, and natural resources in the kremlin leads to the fact that, strictly speaking, they have a lot of money and a lot of free time to think about where they will attack next time and divert attention from their own citizens, so the only stable peace we can get is separation, well de facto federalization, true federalization. of russia with its distribution and distribution of resources away from the kremlin to the regions. then we will have a stable peace, since the kremlin... will have neither financial, nor armed , nor intellectual, nor political opportunities to fight with its neighbors, an analogy can be drawn with germany, which was de facto federalized as a result of the second world

war, and resources were sent to the land, well, that is, in the regions, and thus, strictly speaking, once and for all, was deprived of the opportunity to concentrate... these resources and terrorize the whole world with these resources, i think that this fate should await russia, and actually the marshall plan, which was proposed, which for some reason is being promoted in our country as an investment marshall plan, in fact the marshall plan was implemented resources in exchange for federalization, this is the marshall plan and should be for russia, when it is deprived, the kremlin will be deprived of any... resources, in including nuclear ones, in order to be able to to threaten the whole world, as they did a year ago, threatening everyone, with de facto nuclear weapons, so i don't see another option, unfortunately, with this concept, our partners and our international partners

have not yet accepted it and do not understand it , that the existence of russia in this form strengthens china, and this, in fact... speaking, is a threat to the entire european continent and not only the european one, i think, over time, maybe they will understand, but we this, this narrative and these messages we don't communicate correctly to our partners, so they don't see it the end result, what we actually want, if we pra, if we formulate my personal opinion, we want russia to be divided into parts, resources to go to russian regions, these regions were enough' and in this way we will ensure a stable peace, and next is the issue of china, it is a much bigger issue that concerns both america and other countries that should pay attention to it, and india, and there is a much bigger game there, let's say. thank you ladies and gentlemen, let's take

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tomorrow, the government introduced a three-week quarantine in ukraine due to the coronavirus. the government allocated 100 million for the additional purchase of masks and equipment disinfection. film zemlyane 2005 watch all. the sbu announced suspicion of a man who hijacked a bus with passengers on july 21 in lutsk. shelter in the apartment building where i live, can strangers be allowed there? yes, during an alarm , people who do not live there can and should be allowed into the shelter of the house, because everyone has the right to civil protection, even if the person is not familiar to you. everyone has the right to be safe. the verdict is in progress, today we have ivan as a guest of the clip. tsintsadze, yulia klymenko and oleg dunda, we are talking about the most important thing

is now in the foreign policy, first of all ukraine, and i cannot, ladies and gentlemen , not mention the delegation that went to the united states of america, led by the first vice prime minister, minister of economy yulia sveredenko, and this delegation, in including, at the head, shall we say, not at the head, but with the participation of... the head of the office of the president of ukraine , andriy yermak, raises, well, if it was a completely logical question, why did sveredenko and yermak actually fly to the united states of america, we do not have a minister of foreign affairs, or there are no representatives ukrainian parliament to work with senators and congressmen who are hesitant about future aid from the us government, mr. oleg, why do you think that foreign policy has all moved to the office of the president, and

absolutely logical questions arise, and why foreign policy is managed by the head of the president's office and his former deputy in the president's office, and not the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine. well, look, in our constitution , the president is responsible for international affairs, let me remind you, and he is appointed according to his quota minister, by the way, there is an ambassador there, but for preliminary questions, i would like to quote one small quote from the washington post: instead of fighting, like koche zelenskyi, for the expulsion of russia from the territories it has occupied since 2014, such as crimea, vancharenko claims that ukraine should seek security guarantees from nato to protect the territory it receives, it does not remind aristovych, or rasmussen, this is a quote from the washington post regarding honcharenko, you have it, i think that we have closed the issue, returning to the poper conversation, i want to interrupt, to note that a lot has changed in us over the last year, and this is also thanks to the work and the office of the president, by the way, i would like to mention

the recent statements of olaf scholz, he is the person in which capacity to support ukraine two years ago, when he became chancellor, we still had doubts, and now he says that there can be no negotiations until the return to the borders of 91, this is a big step for germany ahead, and thanks to all the work, in including the deputy, the president's office, but not enough, as mrs. yulia noted, there can be no victory for ukraine without the existence of the russian empire, it will always threaten us, and our only victory in any form is, let's be honest, it is the dismantling of the russian empire, and it should not exist , and this year was quite important in this direction, we can recall prigozhin's march, which actually proved how fragile the internal structure of the russian empire is, how it can be destroyed. and those

marches that we created, of course, through rdk and the legion of freedom, through the bryansk-kursk region, it is just as much, it gives us opportunities, it proves that we have the ability, and therefore one of our opportunities, which we must use for the sake of victory, and without it we cannot do it in any way , this is the transfer of the armed forces, this is the transfer of the active military forces and the front on the territory of the russian empire, to these areas, in fact we must... go there with raids through these territories, and in fact we must make the ptil of the russians burn, only at the expense of such , by the way, it was 100 years ago, when the russian empire fell, then the old, now the new, neo-empire, in fact, due to this, we can destroy it, due to the fact that there will be chaos inside, due to the fact that the orcs who are in the trenches at the front will understand, that it is not clear what is happening behind their backs, we can do it in such a way that they will run. back and we will be able to win, there are no other ways, this war, and the way it is happening, proves that

either ukraine or the russian empire can exist here, together we cannot at all...' in any way to be, and this is a question of our descendants as well, because russia in this form , as a metropolis, as an empire, should disappear and in fact it should not have any resources in order to somehow once again commit aggression against the country, influence the european union , finance political parties, etc., and this is the only way we can achieve a straight line, there are no other options, and it is our task to convince the same scholz to take the next step from the borders of 91, in general, so that this country does not existed, by the way, that week was in brussels, and some of the deputies of the european parliament directly, for example, from poland or from france, spoke, for example, the french mep glaxman, spoke about the fact that they understand this, are aware of it, and they believe that russia is also a threat to their

statehood , as well as for ukraine, the only... option in which the european big project can develop safely and successfully is that the russian empire should be destroyed in general, and i hope that our delegation with this task, in that including and will prove our goals and purpose in washington , thank you, mr. oleg, ms. ivanna, you have a word about our foreign policy activity and who and in what way articulates it, and look, of course, the president of ukraine has the authority to conduct foreign and security policy, and actually the tools of the president of ukraine, in this proceeding is the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, and it would be important for us to act in a coordinated manner at all levels in

the foreign policy arena, but this is really it is quite strange when the vice-prime minister for the economy goes to meet , in principle, absolutely not those of her counterparts with whom she could supposedly enter into negotiations precisely on the economic track, which would be logical if, if it were precisely with them that she met, but she is accompanied by people from the president's office and it looks like she is really not the main actor in these relations, i am sorry that today people who do not have any electoral mandate or... legally prescribed duties and legally prescribed powers they determine and are delegated by the president of ukraine, as i understand it, they determine the foreign policy of ukraine and lead, carry out the foreign policy of ukraine. i believe that this is a big risk for the country, because when the question comes, and who made this or that decision, it

will turn out that there is no one responsible and there is no one to ask, that's why. therefore, it is a risk for us. thank you, ms. ivano, literally, ms. yulia, you have 30 seconds to reflect on this topic. the next question is that no, none, in any political and non-political discussions one delegation is not enough. everyone who can and knows should go and deliver this message. and deputies, and the government, and the president's office, and volunteers, and public activists. no, there cannot be such a thing as one person. all the problems, no one ever listens to one delegation, any politicians always ask for several opinions, thank you for the brevity, yuliya klymenko, oleg dunda, ivan ivanna klynpushze. i thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for participating in the program, it was a verdict program, throughout the program we conducted polls, polls, asking you about so, do

fsb agents work for the ukrainian authorities, so 96% said yes, 4.5 no, that's the end of it , i'm saying goodbye to you, see you tomorrow