[000:00:00;00] support until before we liberate all the territories, and 43% for the war to end as soon as possible, slightly worse percentages on how much aid should be, for example, 41% of americans say too much is being given ukraine, but for us there are two other positive figures: 33%, that is, a third believe that the aid is sufficient, and a quarter that it is insufficient. that is, it is possible to work with american society, they support us in all wars, another question, the worst picture is this, so this party division, 2/3, 62% of republicans believe that too much aid is given to ukraine and only 14% of democrats believe that it is too much, that is, in principle , we have a margin of safety, support in american society, on this spectrum, from useful idiots such as tucker

clarkson, by the way... we should definitely expect a voice from him in the near future , because he will defend one monster who worked for russia openly and under the guise of a parliamentary mandate, who actually directly addressed mr. tucker clarson, who is a very popular person among rednecks and conservative, let's say, supporters of the conservative way, i am not saying that he is a qualified liar. since foxnews parted ways with him paying almost 800 million dollars for his lies related to trump support, that is, these are the people who want to earn their dividends on the hype and they are trying to, well, actually advance their agenda, yes, in a word, a game is still ongoing, we will also carefully monitor, but why did i start with you specifically about the head of our

ukrainian delegation, because i see how now, the lying enemy publication that justifies this war, i mean, tas is authorized to declare, imagine, today tas is quoting the head of the office of president yermak, precisely with his statements earned in washington, they are joyfully applauding and saying that andriy yermak is authorized to declare that the idea of ​​the former nato secretary-general, anders rasmussen , that if ukraine is urgently included in nato without the occupied territories, finally , the fifth article of collective security will work immediately on the territory of ukraine, andriy yermak criticized rasmus's proposals on happily quotes tas, tas fully declare, and andriy yermak is authorized to declare regarding the euro-atlantic integration of the whole country, because i forgot something, how many voted

for yermak in the last elections. well, i understand your criticism, but here i would, for example, still be on the side of the critics of the former general secretary, from several purely practical things, not internal ukrainian politics, i understood, first and foremost, when germany was almost, that is, on on the only step towards unification, and the germans wanted anything to unite, and therefore could go to gorbachev's concessions. and gorbachev then wanted nato not to expand even to east germany, and then the americans said to their german allies, this does not happen, there is no shared security, that nato will protect western germany, eastern germany will be unknown in what status, so either you will be completely in nato, or you will not be in nato, and actually we see history as the right one, went the right way, the same with ukraine, ukraine should

be in nato completely with all... territories that have been internationally recognized since 1991, and whatever -what other options can we have there to forget a little for a certain time, not to recognize the illegal annexation of crimea and other territories, this is from lukavov. the second point is that the fact that part of ukraine will become a member of nato and part of it will not change anything for our western partners . the most important issue is the presence of nuclear weapons of the russian federation, and that is exactly why we were not, we are not...members before, and we will not become members in such a way, in parts, let's say this, that is, this is the issue of nuclear weapons and the possibility of a direct confrontation of nato and the russian federation, does not disappear anywhere according to this excellent idea of ​​the former general secretary. that is precisely why i believe that absolutely, this is from lukavov, and it is impossible to implement such and such a scheme in the near future. let's imagine how germany will vote, because

germany will also have...certain reservations and reluctance to escalate the situation with the russian federation, and the same hungary, namely orban, who blocked aid to us, blocked the introduction of powerful sanctions against the russian federation. can we imagine that he will vote for ukraine, which is at war with the occupied territories, to become a member of nato, and they will also be obliged to fight against the russian federation by force of arms in the event of the fifth article being invoked, no, that's why it seems to me that this idea is from lukaov, it is unrealizable, and that's exactly why, and another question is that you you are talking about legitimacy, absolutely, mr. oleksandr, i have to clarify, because orbán's position, like his party's, is not. does not depend in any way on the idea of ​​gradual integration of ukraine into nato, or into these within the borders of 1991, because first of all, the exit to these borders may be tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, or maybe

to be in 50 years, and they are blocking everything, they are blocking not only military aid, they are generally starting a long game now, but let us ask all hungarians if hungarians want ukraine to be a member of the euro, to be integrated into nato, and from when the orbán era will end in budapest, yes, you are absolutely right , mr. roman, the issue is that they are trying on the one hand to get certain dividends and concessions from the european union, the unblocking of the aid that the eu provided to hungary, and here there are two points, one is that that hungary is blocking aid to ukraine, and precisely because of this, the eu is now making certain concessions, and the second issue is actually that there are problems with the supremacy of the judicial system and freedom of the press in hungary, therefore, from the very beginning, there were such ideas that something should be fanned

screw hungary, and the second point, well, hungary is the tryanon horse of the russian federation in the body of hugo, i apologize, nato and the european union, and of course that this, let's say this, this cooperation with the russian federation, which is about gas, russian, of course, it will not go anywhere. ago of course, hungary has no objections, but about how they want to integrate themselves into our internal politics , of course, they have wet dreams of returning hungary's original territories, which means they have access to their own citizens . , we understand that hungary is a small country, they need to solve their demographic problems, and they want to do it, including at the expense of ukraine, so with... of course, this is a complex problem, and i'm talking about something that can't be like that, whether it is mr. yermak, or president zelenskyi, or anyone, i agree with rasmontsen's formula, and the next day everyone votes, and this is how it was, for example, from the same finland,

although everything would not be without problems there either, but more, more precisely , less problematic than with this sweden, it will not be like that with us, and therefore, when such things are offered to us, i understand. that it is simply impossible to harass such people, mr. oleksandr , i still want to argue with you, look, you mentioned again finland, which was neutral and became a member of nato, well, at one time, manner actually followed this path, that is, finland donated part of the territory occupied by the muscovites, specifically for the sake of security issues, and now they are full members of nato, and when karelia will return to finland is a matter of a distant perspective, and suddenly we are in a state of this protracted war, as budanov says, for many years, in for us, the issue of the occupied territories will drag on for tens of years, so we should not fulfill the constitution of ukraine in this part that ukraine seeks full membership in nato,

postpone it also for tens of years, well , look, with regard to finland, finland does not puts forward territorial claims to the russian federation, because there was a final act of the csce in 1975, which established border claims. in europe, this is the most important moment, and historically there, these are already other moments, the second moment, about which i say that nuclear weapons, the factor of nuclear weapons has not gone anywhere, and that is why it holds back, not because ukraine is corrupt, not reformed, or there is some other, does not meet the standards, the high standards of nato. hungary meets democratic standards, and in terms of economic indicators, half of the european union, which is part of nato, meets standards, and from the point of view of interoperability because... capabilities, the same bulgaria, it is the least combat-capable country in our region, of course not, but they are members because certain political decisions were made under certain security conditions, the nuclear factor is

is not going anywhere, we are not going to give up our territories, and it would be foolish , even if we would take the finnish model as a basis, since crimea in russian hands is a domoclaw sword over us, we saw from the invasion. and we see every day when the black sea fleet is chasing us, we actually see the price of the crimea, yes, it cannot be, yes, it cannot be a question. trade and not because i do not want ukraine to be a member of nato, but simply because it is impossible from the point of view of our western partners, we have heard your arguments, mr. oleksandr, thank you, actually, because this is an interesting discussion, which was started by rasmusin's light hand and already has, as they say, opinions and evaluations on both sides of the ocean. oleksandr khara, expert on foreign and security policy, center for defense strategies, was together with us, and just when he mentioned this great price for... the regime of the occupied status

of crimea, about this and not only about crimea, we will also talk with the head of the joint coordination press center of the defense forces, southern ukraine, captain of the first rank natalya khomenyuk, in connection with our studio, ms. natalya, we congratulate you, glory to ukraine , glory to the heroes, i also congratulate you, ms. natalya, we cannot verify, we are sitting in a bunker, like the whole country with that mig from 31 -m, there was information on operational news. about what was upset air defense near tokmak, as if the holy hymars flew to visit them, but i can't see anything else, because they are in a bunker, maybe you can tell us a little more, well, even if i see it, it's a nearby area of ​​the tavria operational-strategic group , and most likely they will tell, i don't want to eat their bread, because i have enough , what will happen, the corresponding actions will be carried out on

the enemy's logistics and on locations in the deep rear, this is clearly the strategy that the defense forces are promoting in all directions , so nothing surprising, and on to any point in the deep rear, the enemy should not even be surprised, but simply wait. yes, well, now i actually returned to your site, i was just thinking quickly, maybe something is already known, i am talking about the long-suffering and heroic kherson region, yesterday there were also tragic pages, this one, shelling of a car from artillery by russians to kill and the whole family, with a small child, but we know it, we saw how they hit kherson, including with rockets, and in this case, can you quickly tell us why they were so mad to suddenly hit kherson again kherson and its surroundings.

well, it is quite likely that they were simply , as they say, maddened by scraps, because they , after all, procrastinated the date of the liberation of kherson, one might say, the weather did not allow them to arrange the fireworks that they obviously planned, because they gravitate to dates like this, as soon as the weather subsided, as soon as the thunderstorm warning, the storm warning was lifted, they immediately activated all their directions and all their resources that they have on that shore. in particular, our effective work on elimination their heavy artillery, led to the fact that in some areas they were advanced up to 80 km, but the mortars there already cannot work on the right bank, but they rolled out then the rocket salvo systems, and in particular

they used them on kherson. ugh, and this is not related to all this information, their warlords are now exaggerating information about the fact that our paratroopers on the left bank have even cut the path, as they say, from the spit and to the new tile, that is, about this they spoke yesterday, and now there is confirmation that andrii, the head of the delegation, is also yermak, the head of the presidential office, told the americans about the same thing, literally, a couple of hours ago, it is not related to this, to these actions that are taking place on the left bank of kherson. it is obvious that the enemy is mad because the defense forces have certain successes, and they cannot boast of anything else, except to destroy the civilian population, and they have essentially twisted the brutality of the measures on the left bank. and in addition to the shelling of the right bank

, the settlements of the left bank are also shelled, currently with the message that this is the work of the defense forces and to set the local population against, in order to activate, in particular, the male population for the units of the so-called territorial defense. in fact, people understand what is happening, they saw all this back in the days of the occupation of the right bank, the same practice, the enemy used, based in the same settlements, they tortured the equipment, covered the village with fire, and then returned from their bad fate defense forces, that they are behaving in the same way because they are trying to release, is propaganda which works for the enemy, and it seems to them that the way they believe, believe, everyone should

believe, also watched very interesting material, walks, maidensha, by the way, where are they, in such a great style, they tell how they operate.. . are moving their black sea naval forces, that is, they have really left all the bays after the arrival of the crimea, or is this just one of the propaganda plots, it should not be taken seriously, they still keep something in the bays of the temporarily occupied crimea, a very vivid example of trust in serious and balanced information messages from the russian side, there is an example yesterday, when they first... posted an official message, then immediately removed it, apologized, our meeting was a mistake, and according to a classic example, as they say, they again throw in the information they consider necessary , to lay the basis of our future military decisions, we know how to filter

, we know this from informational hygiene, and therefore we can state that the process of displacement is going on, but it is... not so rapid that everyone immediately pulls off the anchor and immediately goes to novorossiysk or tobse, in fact, the logistics that are arranged on the crimean peninsula are quite complex and multi-layered , and it is not easy to move it just like that, so we see that the ship and boat depot is being moved to base in novorossiysk tupse, it is visible, but the dependence on service on the crimean coast remains, so not everything is happening so quickly, even a powerful storm that raged for several days in a row did not allow everyone who wanted to move to other bases, so last evening we observed the alleged deployment of a ship

group up to five units against the background of the fact that before that there was one, and then it became clear that this rebasing was just happening. and now two units in the black sea, one in the sea of ​​azov, are engaged in exposing the surface situation and patrolling, and large amphibious ships are hiding in the bays with missiles. look, strategically, this is very interesting, we have reached such a story when they already keep their ships under novorossiysk in tuapse, god forbid they will get to gagra and sukhumi, but where are they they keep the ships, and we also asked the military, they also told us that i leave them in the crimea... two plus one mobile, well, in short , three dry docks, so to speak, this is the only place where you can normally service it, as their logistics looks like then, the ships are there, the docks are there how it will look in practice for them , so long as long as there we try to make it so that

they already have them and do not need them well, that is , we will repeat what we saw in kirchi correctly somewhere like this. ok, and that's all, actually, in conclusion, you already mentioned that, nature and the weather were on our side, for a certain period, how it looks at sea now from the point of view of safety, because i also watched a video of the destruction of an anti-ship mine right near odessa, that is, what we always warned our viewers about, that the waves can carry a large ghedot to the shore, this is how it looks now, and yes , indeed, the stormy sea brought all kinds of things to the shores, and during the past week , one controlled mine was detonated in mykolaiv oblast, which brought one in odesa oblast, this week actually began with those by the indicators themselves, according to the difference is that the mine

was detonated in a controlled manner in odesa region, because they managed to do it on time, in mykolayiv region today at noon, the mine brought a rest to the base. and it spontaneously triggered, spontaneously exploded and damaged buildings on the coastal territory, that is why we always say that stormy seas and post-stormy seas are a dangerous zone even in the coastal strip, at a distance of 300 m from the water edge, at such a distance they can fly fragments of a mine that can go off simply in the water without control by the defense forces. therefore, i call on everyone once again be very careful, there is a mine danger and it is quite serious, did they launch drones again, but somehow they came from the south so strangely, and then they tried to spread it all over the western regions, and at the same time, after restoring even the wings of cruise missiles and ballistics,

they have already stopped being active it's as if aiming there for the danube, or there's simply no point in burning this resource there, because air defense is better, or they've changed their mind, there were simply no reports about the report, you've been good enough for a long time, and that's good news for us. it is obvious that from time to time...' they are reorienting the priorities of their attacks, and indeed now they are looking for the military logistics system and the air defense system and are probably targeting energy facilities as well, the port infrastructure has already proven that despite their attacks, the functioning the navigation corridor does not stop, the trust of the shipowners in the defense forces is high, and they are guided by the fact that the defense forces are able to provide the security component of the operation of the navigation, at the same

time, such a lull is not excluded vigilance, that is, trying to reorient our air defense system with the fact that now there will be strikes in the direction of, for example , one category of objects, as if we should reorient there, and somehow expose other directions, and then they will be able to strike. for example, the same sub-danube infrastructure, but we are aware of these risks, we understand this strategy of the enemy and try to ensure that the objects and directions that may be a priority for the enemy are covered as densely as possible. wanted from you to inquire about the possibility of shelling the ochakiv community and generally controlling the dnipro estuary in one way or another, after, after certain... on the left bank, after their whining since yesterday, about the cut routes and logistics, whether they

are moving something there, or trying to report something find out whether there is no movement yet, our reports indicate that there is shelling on the opposite bank, there are no plans to finally remove the units from there, and therefore this is another confirmation that these, as you say, whining can be informational. throw in there is not so much bad about them to expect that they will fold up and leave, so we evaluate the picture objectively, we understand that from time to time they have the opportunity to bring heavy artillery and rocket systems of salvo fire there, from which they shoot in ochakiv oblast, for example, in tsurup oblast, precisely because they have an overland corridor , directly to the kinbur spit, as the peninsula connects with... temporarily occupied kherson oblast on the left bank, that is, until it is completely

cleared there , that's all, we can't say what ochakivshchyna and kutsurshchyna will breathe out restlessly, of course, and finally, just looking at the actual, here are these communities that you mentioned, or in ours, let’s say, for the winter period, we understand that there will be less movement across the landscape, there will be more... battery and counter -battery combat, do we have the opportunity to have a more effective opportunity and attack the enemy more deeply in this particular area south of kherson, this mouth of the dnipro, because these are very interesting territories, this way, from bare pier and to the north to oleshok, this it is also a very strategically interesting territory, yes territories are interesting, territories are strategic and understanding how important work in that direction is. everyone has it, from the soldiers in the trenches to the military command, so we continue our work, we do not lay down our arms, we do not lay down

our hands, so we will see the results, i think that in a certain time with the development of the combat operation it will be possible to talk about something in the form of a report on the result . we are waiting for good news, as always, ms. natalya, thank you for participating in our program, nataliya humenyuk, head of the united coordination press center of the protection and defense forces of southern ukraine, captain. of the first grango with an operational analysis of the situation, we are now the european border of ukraine, this is where we will start asking our guests, people's deputy of ukraine, members of the verkhovna rada committee on transport and infrastructure, oksana savchuk, in connection with our studio, ms. oksana, glory to ukraine, congratulations to you, heroes, glory, congratulations, well, this blockade, with which one association of carriers in poland was so frightened, continues, there is already tragic stories, i'm not talking about the fact that it's just what we see, the government changes quickly

in poland, there is already a prime minister, mozowicz took office, immediately refused it, there will be a new government, but for now, as they say, there is no full-fledged government in warsaw, someone is trying to screw it up with those carriers blocking the western border, so thank you for this topic, because it is actually quite relevant, well, firstly, because our drivers, can't to enter the country, and in accordance with the agreements we signed in brussels, about the fact that no permits are required for ukrainian carriers, instead we see blockades by polish carriers who say that they want the return of the quota, because they are not satisfied with the situation when they cannot already in such quantities, ukraine must carry cargo in

mykolaiv, in the dnipro and so on, actually not everyone agrees on this, ukrainians do, on the question of why it escalated, it was even raised at our committee, a separate meeting of the subcommittee was created, and we considered exclusively this issue, why, because with this something must be done, and these issues must be resolved, that's why finally , as they say, the ministry left the kyiv chairs , left their offices, left, the deputy minister went to the border, to the border: they held such a big discussion, and what basically turned out yesterday, that is what started the dialogue, i will tell you clearly that the position of the poles surprises me a little, because they do not want to make concessions, and we accordingly do not violate anything, the only thing we ask is to start empty trucks, this would reduce there and

back, respectively behind the traffic jams and it wouldn't be like that such long queues that we see, and in principle, for blackberries, and we would also, in principle , for pears, negotiations would also be held to allocate a separate lane in hrushov, that is , ukrainians are ready to make concessions, the main thing is that these concessions should be made poles, the polish government itself, in principle, understands that we are not violating anything, and in principle, our signed agreements with the european union must be fulfilled. but the carriers insist on their own, which now makes it impossible in principle , the driver of one of the vans really died, died in his car, because these long queues, lack of bathrooms, a normal place to go to the toilet, definitely, mrs. oksano, we have 10 seconds, summarize, 10 seconds, summarize, there is

a prospect of getting out of that blockade, yes or no, i have a simple answer. so the representatives of tota's cabinet of ministers should sit there at the border until there is a prospect of ending this in a positive way. it would be an absolutely correct statesmanship position, we expect this from our government, let's see if they can do it. oksana savchuk, people's deputy, member of the ukrainian committee on transport and infrastructure parliament, about the situation in the west in a few minutes. watch the news with anna