and in the second part of the program, literally in 15 minutes, do not switch, stay with us on the espresso tv channel, after the bbc news, we will be with you. israel is running out of time to defeat hamas in the gaza strip. why? we talk about this on bbc ukraine. live from london, i'm yevgenia shedlovska. western countries are concerned about the way israel is waging war while the death toll rises. now the focus is on the main hospital in gaza city, where people are reportedly being buried in mass graves and, due to a lack of electricity, without incubators babies die. western countries insist that israel must follow the rules of war, must protect civilians in the gaza strip, and that the longer the war lasts, the more. victims, then

more such statements. in general, the pressure on israel is increasing. british prime minister rishi sunak made one of the strongest statements yet, calling on israel to do everything it can to protect the palestinians, allowing more aid to the gas sector, saying: "many civilians are dying. in effect , he repeated what representatives had previously said, the representative of the usa, secretary of state anthony blinken, said: "many people are dying and suffering, these were the words of the main american diplomat. both britain and the united states are calling on israel to introduce a humanitarian pause in the fighting so that civilians have time to evacuate, get help, but they do not call for a truce , which would mean a complete ceasefire, although there are such voices in the west, french president macron is in favor of a truce and is also very critical of civilian casualties. macron, in an interview with the bbc , called on israel to stop killing women and children but let's take a step back, why are such statements made? israel has been waging war against the hamas group in the gaza strip for more than a month since october 7. after militant attacks on

israeli settlements, in which 1,200 people died. more than 200 people were taken hostage by the militants, and after this attack, israel began bombing the gas sector, later led troops to this territory, and the longer the war continues, the more victims there are. according to the local health ministry, which is controlled by hamas, more than 11,000 people, almost half of them children, have died since the start of the war. israel says it is waging a war against hamas militants, not against palestinian civilians. however, its western partners, primarily the united states, are changing their rhetoric. if earlier, they first expressed solidarity with israel , supported the country's right to self-defense, and only then talked about the palestinians, now , on the contrary, western politicians first talk about the protection of palestinian civilians, about compliance with international law. and now international attention is focused on the hospital in the gas sector. here it is, al shifa hospital, located in gaza city. it the largest hospital in the sector.

in the north of the gaza strip, where israel used to declare an evacuation zone, fighting has been going on around this hospital for the past few days, israel says , hamas fighters are hiding there, hamas fighters have a command center, these are the statements of the israeli military, while the local ministry of health the controlled group claims that there are hundreds of patients in alshifa, more than 2,000 people are escaping from shelling there. doctors report that they dug a mass grave on the territory of the hospital, where 200 bodies were buried the dead the world health organization, says alshifa, is turning into a graveyard. while israel is waging war and blockade. the war is getting closer, and the time to save is getting shorter. these premature babies are fighting for their lives, but without such necessary incubators. the footage was taken from alshifa hospital last weekend, and several children have died since then, according to the local health ministry. inside the medical facility , together with six hundred patients , they are hiding. also about 2000 people.

israel announces the discovery of a safe evacuation corridor, but a source at the hospital told the bbc that this was not the case at all. bullets are everywhere, especially near the windows, so no one in the hospital can move. some people tried to evacuate through the corridor they were promised, but the men were taken away, only the women escaped. one man was shot. when we tried to get to him and provide help, they started shooting at us, we shot him in the chest, and he died on the spot. israel claims that the underground headquarters of hamas operates in a bunker under the hospital building, and there militants are hiding, but hamas and alshifa doctors deny this. this is rantisi hospital, in the basement of the building i showed you. the israeli army released the video and says it is concrete evidence. how hamas

created its strongholds in gaza hospitals, in particular in the children's hospital. it's a knock-out, it's vests, vests. this is a body vest, women's clothing and a robe. idf spokesman daniel hagarri said: everything indicates that israeli hostages were held there. when i was there, i thought about babies, hostage babies, israeli hostages of babies, about women, children, this is the barbaric terrorist organization hamas. hamas uses hospitals as human shields, as terror machines. there is currently no access to the basement, independent access. the bbc cannot confirm any of the army's claims. and this is

footage from another hospital in khanyunis, it is located in the south. according to eyewitnesses, these children were injured during the bombing of their homes. the international community is growing. concerned with how israel is waging this war and who is being killed there? here is israel's greatest ally, the president the united states said hospitals cannot be bombed. actually, here is the statement of us president biden, he said: "it is hoped that israel's actions regarding the alshifa hospital will be less destructive, the hospital must be protected," these were biden's words. in general, how the american rhetoric about israel, about the israeli war, and the hamas group is changing, analyzes the bbc's diplomatic columnist, james landey. whenever you see an american politician or official giving an interview, their body language

shows that they are starting to lose their temper, for example, when president biden is asked about this, he says: we must do everything possible so that the israeli special operation is not too close to the hospital. tough, so clearly the americans are now the only ones who can influence the situation in a certain way, what is actually interesting about this conflict is the emergence, especially in the persian gulf, of those who believe that the united states has failed to contain israel, as far as they were expected, so now they want more pressure on israel from the united states, and not only to show that the states really have an impact not only on the situation as many say but also on the politicians as we can see the prime minister...minister netanyahu is currently running a very slow military campaign, after all he has agreed to temporary pauses in some parts of the gas sector, they temporary and irregular. british ministers are now pushing for much longer pauses, and they should cover the entire region

, not just the area between one part of gaza and another, meaning that pressure on israel is ever-increasing, not just from the americans, but more broadly, from the west as a whole . we will talk more about the pressure on israel, but now i will remind you that international attention is focused on the alshifa hospital in gaza city, what is happening there, the bbc correspondent, who is in the southern gaza strip, tried to find out. the situation at alsha hospital remains very tense, access to the hospital, as well as exit from it, is completely closed. yesterday, people tried to escape from the hospital, i got information from journalists who are there. then four of them got gunshot wounds in their legs, so they couldn't leave the hospital today 170 bodies were buried inside the hospital in a mass grave, 70 of them were in the morgue, but due to the lack of electricity, doctors could not maintain the necessary temperature for

storing bodies. 100 bodies that were brought from a nearby school three days ago were also buried in bratska mogila, the hamas-run ministry of health also announced this, my contact at the hospital during my... last call says that it is dangerous to even move between hospital buildings , then what can be said about the evacuation of people. before, before the israelis the troops surrounded the hospital, 45,000 people were transferred there, many of them left the hospital , but there are still several thousand people there, 400 of them are patients, and some of them need to be connected to ventilators, but this is not possible due to the lack of electricity and water there are very few medical kits left in the hospital, which are necessary to save lives, so the situation in the largest medical center of the entire gas sector is very tense and dangerous. and returning to the criticism of israel's actions, the leaders of the arab and muslim countries accuse the west,

the united states, of being responsible for the suffering of people in the gas sector. so this weekend, 57 leaders gathered in the capital of saudi arabia, riyadh, for a joint arabois. an extraordinary summit, there were princes, presidents, prime ministers, there were the heads of iran, the head of syria, as another bbc commentator sums up, what was discussed was sent primarily to the united states, representatives of these countries want the biden administration and the west in general to strengthen pressure on israel to stop the war this is the position of other countries of the region. he calls on israel to immediately cease fire in the gas sector for humanitarian reasons, i.e. for the sake of civilian lives. the israeli government insists that the purpose of the war is to destroy the hamas group, and for the civilian casualties in the gaza strip, as the israeli government claims, hamas militants are responsible. but what will happen after the end of the war, or occupying. the gas sector again, well, the americans warned not to do this, and in general, this is another separate issue for

a separate issue. this war is for israel differs from previous confrontations with hamas. it became a trauma. the attack on october 7 was a threat to the entire country. next, a report from the city of zderot, near the border with gaza, where 30,000 people lived. after the attack by hamas militants, almost all residents left, fearing possible rocket attacks from the gaza strip. and those who returned say that their lives... have changed forever, empty streets and quiet neighborhoods, this is exactly what we see these days in the frontline israeli towns and villages, near the gaza strip, almost all the shops in this square have been destroyed, and their owners as well as the rest of the population left for safer places. everyone left, the whole neighborhood left, only i stayed, my family also left. serviceman, on medical discharge due to post-traumatic stress disorder. i

think it will last a long time, maybe six months. i hope that the citizens of both sides will not suffer. ronin says people have lost their sense of security. we don't want this war, we want to be able to go back and feel safe, but we can't do that as long as hamas is there. mira has already returned to work, she came to zderot a few days ago. it is better now than it was at the beginning because we feel confident, there is an army here, but we hope it will end soon. miller has no idea how to get back to normal after the hamas attack.

i'm afraid we won't be able to live our normal lives anymore, we're all afraid to leave the house, my daughter will have to go back to school and i don't know how she'll be able to do it, she's very afraid, a few hundred meters away when dusk comes , you can see an increase in the bombing of the sector gaza, and these are hamas rockets aimed at the cities of izra. however, israel's response on october 7 was much stronger, with israel claiming that hamas militants are hiding among civilians, unlike the israelis, who have nowhere to flee to the civilian population of gaza. so, going back to our first question, why is israel running out of time to wage a war in the gas sector, to defeat hamas, to defeat hamas is the stated goal of the israeli government during this war,

because international criticism is growing, because the actions israel is criticized, the number of civilians who die in the gaza strip is increasing, according to the ministry of health , in the gaza strip, which has been controlled by hamas since the beginning of the fighting, more than 11,000 people have died there, among them 4.5 are children. .. data from doctors in the gas sector. now the main focus is on what is happening in the hospital in gaza city, in the alshifa hospital, around which fighting continues, what will happen to the patients, what will happen to the people who are hiding there. in addition, the humanitarian crisis is growing, israel has started a blockade of this sector after the attacks of hamas militants on october 7, there is not enough electricity, there is no heating. this concludes our release, before the recording.

greetings friends, there is a live broadcast on tv channel uso, the verdict program is on the air, my name is serhiy rudenko, from now on weekdays from 8 pm to 10 pm you will broadcast a two-hour broadcast, we talk about ukraine, the world, the war, the economy, elections, corruption, all that, what are you talking about: our dear tv viewers are interested today, i want to introduce today's guests of the program, this is volodymyrovych, people's deputy of ukraine, european solidarity faction, mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air, good evening, elizaveta yasko, people's deputy of ukraine , servant of the people faction, mrs. elizaveta, i

congratulate you and i am glad to see you, good evening to each other, inna . people's deputy of ukraine, voice faction, ms. ino, i also congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. congratulations. in the course of our program, friends, we are conducting a survey, today we are asking you about whether you are ready for a long war with, russia, yes, no, if you are ready, then the telephone for telephone of calls 0800-211-381, no , 0800-21-38 call, all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, let's ladies and gentlemen, in the format of a blitz poll, we will also answer this the question, are you ready for a long war with russia, ms. inno, please, and this is a difficult question

, because what does it mean to be ready for a long war, and what does it mean from the point of view of us, as individual politicians, people's deputies, and from the point of view of us as people, and of course that these life situations are very different for different people, yes, there are those who now have close relatives in the war, there are those who have close relatives at home, yes, i fall into the category of those who have a loved one at the front since the first day of the war, and of course, for me it is a question of the duration of the war, it is also a question of how long i can not spend time with my beloved. including a person, as well as for hundreds of thousands of other women and men who have loved ones at the front, so of course, morally and let's say so, mentally i understand that this war will be long, but i also understand that we need to look for a balance in society, which

in a way to evenly distribute the burden of this war among different people, so that this burden does not fall on the same people, as it unfortunately happens today, so yes, i am ready in terms of what i understand that the probability of , that the wine will be short, it's close to to, let's say yes, it's very low, here, but i also understand that just saying yes, i'm ready, well it's not really that easy, given my, including personal circumstance. thank you, ms. inna, ms. elizaveta, are you ready for a long war with russia, er, you know, i it seems that no ukrainian will actually be able to answer. to the question that he is emotionally ready, but we all understand that we have no other way out, both politically and to speak, in military language, we must be ready for all 100, for all thousands, as long as it will last, in order to

, so that we finally end russia's aggression against ukraine, we understand that, but to say that any of us is ready to live with the tragedies of our people every day, i am sure that no one, but we must understand that this is a historical path that we are currently walking, so we must politically and do everything militarily so that this is the last war, where we will no longer have to prove to the world that ukrainians exist and that we will not really need to defend ourselves from russia, because russia will simply respect our borders someday in the future and our people, we are doing it for the future. thank you. thank you, mr. volodymyr, i agree with the previous speakers, it is difficult to talk about some kind of perfect here, it is ready, here it is more

of a process, you have to prepare, you have to constantly prepare, but at the same time, you know, it seems to me that now as a society, we throw from one extreme to another, from the extreme of extremely optimistic about two or three weeks, now more and more often there are heard some colossal numbers about 10 years and so on, well, i don't know, as a historian i can say that war is such an unpredictable process , that any accurate forecasts, whether two or two or three weeks, or 10 years, they are simply useless, they are not really able to form the dates of any accurate forecast, so let's not be overly optimistic in excessive pessimism, but prepare for running a marathon is always, always better than faltering in the first few miles, without a doubt, i agree. absolutely with everyone and i also think that if there is this marathon, you must always be ready for this marathon, and this

business is unpredictable, the war, and even more so when it will end, is also a big question, however, ladies and gentlemen, i wanted you to ask about today's event, because it went beyond the boundaries of lviv and the lviv polytechnic, because students came out to protest... against iryna farion, who spoke incorrectly to servicemen regarding the language and she continues to express herself, and this story grows into another scandal, another story, and already the soldiers are responding to irina farion, and her support came from the occupied, annexed crimea, and she made public the correspondence of a student who supported her, now it seems that this student e the fsb is pursuing what the students got up to with the slogans farion, get out, because she teaches at the lviv polytechnic there,

there are no former communists, and iryna farion disgraces ukraine, it is clear that this is not a local phenomenon, and this is not a local story that is happening in the city of lviv, this is a story that is happening on the territory of ukraine, because the discussion immediately... includes large segments of the audience and the russian federation is already taking advantage of all this, mr. volodymyr, to you as a historian, as a person who understands the historical, importance, peace, including, during the war, or let's say, silence during the war, what do you say about this scandal, which is just gaining momentum before our eyes and what this scandal can lead to lead me very much it is sad that this scandal, as you said, is not local, it seems to me that it does not deserve any extraordinary attention, despite my

very skeptical thoughts about the behavior of ms. iryna, iryna parion, i simply try not to comment on it, because i am convinced that this kind of scandals are precisely fueled by excessive interest, some excessive emotions, whether this and whether it is not an end in itself for ms. iryna, the only thing i want to say is that i cannot forget that ms. iryna farion was one of the ardent cry- critics of our law on the ukrainian language, functional ukrainian language as a state language, i believed that it would never work , that we made some unacceptable compromises, that we would kill the language, so i am not ready to say that ms. iryna is really some kind of defender of the ukrainian language, it seems to me , that its goal is not... the protection of the ukrainian language, after all, that's all, after all, that its goal is, actually , the scandal itself. mrs. inno, you once headed the ministry of education, you were

one of the heads of the ministry of education, please tell me what the students are doing now are doing and demanding to deprive them of teaching, iryna farion, eh, i, how does it correspond , well, with student democracy and with what you... people came with posters, with slogans, started protesting, and this reminds me a lot, protestors the actions of the 1990s, in which i participated, but there was a completely different situation, we protested against the communists, against masol, and against the communist party, here again the slogan was that there are no former communists, that iryna farion is gone, like you react to this scandal and how do you think it will be to influence public opinion, especially on those people who learn the language or do not have a perfect command of the language, will it somehow contribute

to the fact that they will master the language and come to, through gentle ukrainization, to ukrainianness, well, the first comment, a comment about the actual students' rights, well, to be honest, students who have not protested in their lives probably have not lived a full-fledged student life, it seems to me that this is a completely normal, usual, let's say, element of student education, growing up, obtaining basic, i don't know, civic competences, and i was on the maidan in 2004, i was a student, in 13-14 i was already there as a teacher, here, but my students were there already then, i absolutely support the right of students to or express their position, especially when it comes to matters that directly affect their university, yes , they may not know the whole story, they may not know the legislation, but they should have the opportunity, the space, the right to express their

position and so on including his political one position, his ethical position by one or another statement of a person who is involved in the university, yes, therefore from the point of view of the legislation there and the basic principles of how the university should function, this is just normal. the next question is, strictly speaking, to what extent their requirements can be satisfied, the answer to this question is more complicated, and here before giving a broader answer to it, i will say something from my teaching practice, i have been teaching for more than... years, i teach at two universities, and all the time i teach, being, or when i i was in the ministry of education and science, in the position of first deputy, for four years now , i am a people's deputy, all my students can confirm this, i come for a couple, i teach flying disciplines related to political science, i come for a couple and i say: friends, you understand that in addition to my teaching job, i have another job, which is

the main job for me, i am theirs... i never confuse, that is why, despite the fact that we teach disciplines related to politics, i will not be on it is time to comment on the current political situation, therefore that otherwise it violated some basic principles of academic integrity on my part and it would just be dishonest on my part , even though sometimes students ask me to comment on something, i say no, i can't do that in the classroom, it wrong, and i continue to adhere to this principle, but now returning to the question about iryna farion, it seems to me that what the university administration should legitimately ask is what ms. iryna farion says in her classes, and, of course, what to comment on her statements are public, they are unlikely to, and are unlikely to take any administrative action, either dismissal or suspension from teaching, or any other means of influence, because of her public political activity, yes, but in the event

that this political the activity takes place within the walls of the university, if the university department is used to promote certain views and especially views that show contempt for the military, then this is already a reason for the university to intervene, yes, and here in particular me, what is disappointing, perhaps the most in this story, is the absolute, let's say this, silence on the part of the university management, which seems to me to be trying to sit on two bodies, that's how it is trying to find some third party, what would be the solution, and here there is no simple solution, because, well, actually, this is a decision within the autonomy of the university, and autonomy is not only about the right to manage money independently, it also includes making decisions about who is worthy to teach at the university and who is not worthy, not on the basis of some there legislative norms, on the basis of the principles on which the university is built, here it seems to me that there is an excellent reason to manifest itself in university autonomy, which

10 years ago we wrote into the legislation of ukraine thanks to the revolution, and the students told about it. thank you ms. inna, ms. elizaveta, it is clear that the ukrainian language must be protected, it is clear that the state language should be a priority in the state of ukraine, especially during the russian-ukrainian war. we understand that our children and grandchildren will obviously be to know the ukrainian language is much better than we will speak this language, but there are people who... due to various reasons, including russification, which has been in ukraine for a very long time, do not speak ukrainian well , or shall we say yes, they try to speak ukrainian, they don’t succeed, especially those who got to the front, they don’t always speak ukrainian, some speak ukrainian, some russian, in your opinion, can a philologist who also considers herself a politician, iryna farion , well

, to ask this question before those who... on at the front, is it correct when a person who does not lead the troops, a person who is not connected to the front, can criticize and talk about who is a real ukrainian, who is not, you know, in fact, what what is happening now in the discussion, regarding the issue of farion and all this, actually reminds me of some kind of provocation, which... was created in order to be shown on russian telegram channels, on russian television, to show how everyone is quarreling, as if allegedly a person like varion, that's what she said to me about the students, crimea, and the military it seems that in our ukrainian context, it is a little exaggerated, that you pay so much attention to this one thing