[000:00:00;00] well, to ask this question before those who are at the front, whether or not it is correct, when a person who does not lead the troops, a person who is not connected to the front, can criticize and talk about who is a real ukrainian and who is not ? you know, in fact, what is happening now in the discussion about the question of what, farion and all this, actually reminds me of some kind of provocation, which was created in order to show it on russian telegram channels, on russian television, to show how everyone they are quarreling, how is it that there is such a person as varion, here's what she said about the students, and about crimea, and about the military, it seems to me that in our ukrainian context, it's

a little exaggerated, to put it mildly, it's definitely not necessary to pay so much attention to this one case, but what it is necessary that what we see is in fact, and i really congratulate that the students are really coming out and showing their position, the protests, this is the cleansing of our society from various narratives, provocations, which we all really need, and this is happening quite actively , and i welcome it, i liked it, that you... spoke now about our ukrainian state language, and you know, i very often at such an everyday level worry about such a question, because i am also a mother, i speak with my child in ukrainian, although i can speak both russian and ukrainian language, looking at who speaks which languages, no problems at all, but i will never show my child a cartoon in russian,

by the way, volodymyr yaatrovych and i recently took part in a discussion where we talked about it, which is very it's interesting that there are a lot of them ukrainian-speaking parents, and those who have been ukrainian-speaking since childhood and recently became completely ukrainian -speaking, for some reason do not see what they think when they consume cultural products that are created, for example, in russia, there is masha and medvid and all that, or not at all is a ukrainian-language product, that it affects the child, and this is a very, very interesting fact, and i would like more ukrainian parents to pay attention to this, because very often i am even on the trains there, watching what parents show their to the child, which are completely ukrainian talking to their child, for some reason russian -language content, i don't really understand it and i think that we ukrainians should pay attention to it and prepare that cultural product

in the ukrainian language, which... will be of high quality, which will convey our ukrainian values, european values, to our children you are absolutely, absolutely right, i would also like to see more ukrainian language on tv broadcasts and youtube broadcasts, because some channels based in lviv for some reason speak in russian, for me it is it's a wonder, to be honest, why one of the tv channels about... constantly makes russian-language content, for me , to be honest, it's very strange that this happens, but espresso is a ukrainian-language channel, and we have our own ideology and our own values, we we are defending them, ladies and gentlemen, i wanted to ask you about your colleague oleksandr dubinskyi, a colleague in the parliament, because today, on the night of november 14, the court ordered

him to be remanded in custody for 60 days in sizo, he is accused of state treason, the security service of ukraine says that he worked for the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of the russian federation, that is, he was a russian spy and is charged with treason, this is the second person in recent times, in the last two months, from the parliament hall, who is suspected of treason, of course, not nestor shufrych and oleksandr dubinsky will have to defend himself in court and prove that they are not russian spies, or the court must prove that they are russian spies, and when there is a court verdict, then it will be clear whether all the claims are against these two people's deputies, or

they correspond to reality, but the question now is, in what way... in your opinion, uh, the ukrainian special services should identify these russian spies in the ukrainian government, because, well, it's absolutely clear that uh... they are and they work for the russian federation, at the highest levels in the state , that is, whether it should be a polygraph, whether it should have a lie detector, or whether it should be some special check of the security service of ukraine, i think that there must be some element of the check, so that it can't be that the 10th year of the war with russia has passed, the second year of the great war, here people's deputies are being pulled out one by one and said that they are state traitors, because it looks, frankly, somehow threatening, because it is not clear how many more people will be pulled out of this bed and put in prison, mr. volodymyr

, well, first of all, he will remember such a soviet saying that if a person looks like an agent, if he acts like an agent, and does what an agent should do, then it is certain that this person is an agent, there is no need to invent too much, it was enough to look at those actions that mr. dubinsky did, to understand for whose benefit these actions and it is obvious that there is a certain russian trace behind this, i very much hope that now our special services will be able to justify it and expose it already definitively, as regards some preventive mechanisms that you talked about, i think that the main polygraph here should still be the ukrainian voters, despite all my disrespect for people like dubinsky. after all, unfortunately, he is the one who was elected by the ukrainians, therefore, it seems to me that we should hold a very serious educational work among ukrainians, so that in the future such and such people do not get into the parliament, because

i want to say once again, he got there not because russia somehow installed him in the parliament, but because he was elected by ukrainian voters, unfortunately he did, he had quite a strong support, he had a powerful information channel at his disposal, he had quite a few people who cooperated with him without knowing or understanding what role they were playing in promoting this particular person who turned out to be an agent, but in the end -finally, the fact that he got into the parliament was the result of the ukrainian elections, but the voters are also wrong, and the party leadership can be wrong, so let's hope that this will be a very good school. especially this parliament, which is now a parliament in a very critical period for ukraine, and it is obvious that this very critical period reveals a lot of things that may have been there before, but

were simply more hidden, i am sure that shufrych is not a staunch only in this convocation, and it is obvious that he cooperated with russia, and his cooperation with russia was very important absolutely public. who worked in russia throughout his political life. thank you, mr. volodymyr. ms. inno, you know exactly how special checks are conducted, people who are appointed to positions. and obviously, obviously, there too, you need to have a certain set, virtues in order to become a deputy minister, or to enter the government office of some central body. authorities , what do you say, in what way to overcome the influx, or shall we say, not an influx, maybe it is

not an influx, to overcome these exiles from moscow, the cossacks, who are agents of either gru or the fsb, and they are cleaned, cleaned, cleaned, cleaned , and there are so many of them that there is simply no end to the land, well, first of all, we have a distinction between how we play on positions are elective, including deputies of the verkhovna rada, deputies of other councils, and for positions in the administration, and in the executive power, and this is actually logical, because in the executive power we appoint people who have passed a certain selection, including theoretically had to go through some qualification selection, and instead, in addition to political appointments, political appointments it's a minister and higher, yes, instead of an electoral position, that's of course, as volodymyr said, it's a question of who was elected by the voters, and here 's a really big question, it's a question first of all, let's say, from one side of political enlightenment, well on the other hand, of course, adequate control over the media space, which gives such people the opportunity to promote

pro-russian views without any reaction, yes, that is, it is necessary to fight not in this case with individual candidates who promote views, but with platforms that give the possibility of this propaganda, and sent unfortunately too little was done here and these people continued to have enormous access to information resources and and unfortunately, of course, that helped them to be elected to one or another position, but ... back to your question, when you, which you voiced , so at the beginning of this topic, what should be done, how should the security service detect these russian agents better, i am not a specialist in security matters, but what is obvious to me is that if people have american sanctions for three years, well, that should be enough become precisely the occasion for checking a person not today, but three years ago, as soon as these were announced , yes, that is, well, there is no

universal tool, well, but when a partner country imposes sanctions on a people's deputy, well, the investigation should have happened faster, i i’m not talking about what you understand, the fact that this investigation happened faster meant that vinsky remained in the parliament, had access to internal information about what was happening in the parliament, maybe elizaveta will comment on how the servant of the people remained in the faction chats , no remained and continued, and, that is, all these things that happened as a result of the fact that no action was taken in time, when there were already very clear signals, specifically in dubinsk, well, the sanctions of the americans were definitely evidence that something was needed with this was to be done, well, it's good that they reacted now, but the damage caused is unlikely to be repaired, or at least to be repaired in the near future, and that's why it was necessary to react faster here and i really hope that they will react much faster in the future. but let's remember that we also

have a lot of work to do with the employees of the security service, where they are found, and it is obvious that this also affects the effectiveness of the agent detection service, including among the people. ms. elizaveta, how did you sit next to this russian agent, because you are in the faction with him, and you obviously, as ms. inna correctly said, were there in the same chat room, communicating, well, it must be very difficult, when you know a person there for four years, and then it turns out that he is accused of treason, that i how, how does the realization that dubinsky is, pinocchio, and not dubinsky, i i will tell you honestly that i probably never communicated with dubinsky, maybe we greeted each other only once or twice, i

never had the desire, to be honest, to have any intellectual or other discussions, i was always very wary of certain things, about which he spoke openly, he very often said quite anti-european, anti-western things, i believe that it is up to me or someone else from the parliament to comment there, well, whoever wants to, let them comment, i think that the evaluation should be given here by the bodies that are investigating, his involvement in those or other, anti-state or any other actions, it seems to me that what is important here, in this situation, that in fact we really started, we as ukraine, we as the state, we as the parliament, we as the government, the opposition and all together, we actually started to really...' clean up and and

investigate. please tell me in which years this happened, of course, we are constantly living in a historical period, and a lot of important things for our ukrainian state-building are happening, but such that we reveal agents or hand over suspicions, and that this is possible also about former and active state... high-ranking officials, this has never happened, and here we really have to say that we have made enormous progress, and at a time when it is very difficult for all of us, the processes that take place due to the war, of course, make us very tired, we need to see this progress, maybe it has not yet reached the point where we would see super results, but we are somewhere mediocre, very... a lot of different

investigations are taking place, we just want it not to happen, so that it would be effectively, and whoever is really a criminal, we should know about it, a who is not a criminal, then let that person defend himself, the courts must decide it, but here the question is already up to us and to the reform of our judicial system, and here we can talk about it for a very, very long time. let's see how it goes, you know, we all want it, you know, you're right about there being a lot now, or why there's so much now of all the things that we're going forward and you see how we're catching them effectively, but in order for them not to be in power, it is not necessary to bring them there, well, it seems to me that it should be some political responsibility of those people who delegated authority to him, he was already the head of the regional organization of the servants of the people, he was one of the leaders, but i may

remind you that for more than two years, in fact , he is not part of the servants of the people faction and this is an important point , because sometimes they forget about it. not excluded, that is, it was a party decision , he no longer represents a servant of the people for more than two and a half years, this question is not for you now, i am simply saying that he was recruited in the 16th year, he entered the parliament in the 19th year, so the fact that you expelled him two years ago is great, but obviously he should not have entered the parliament, well, if the head of the security service of ukraine was delegated by president zelsky, then i think... that he already had some information about dubinsky's cooperation with the main directorate of intelligence of the ministry of defense of russia, well, this is my assumption, well, but my thesis, in principle , remains in the village, that in order not to detect agents, it is not necessary to bring them into power, well, this is my personal opinion, i most of all

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tv. we ask you this , are you ready for a long war with russia, everything is quite simple on youtube, yes, no, or your option, write in the comments under this video, on tv you can call the number 0821-381, if you are ready for a long war with russia, no, 08 211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. ladies and gentlemen, now there is a wave of information in the media and social networks that personnel changes are being prepared in the ministry of defense of ukraine, we are talking about three commanders, it seems that the minister of defense rustem u was preparing a proposal for three commanders, then this information leaked out including in the central e

internet media, which referring to their sources wrote about it. the ministry of defense denies this information, but what happened is that it is included in this topic, which i have been playing constantly for the last month or two, in one way or another. in social networks and in the media that there is a certain conflict between the civilian leadership of the state and the military leadership of the state, that is, those who fight and those who are civilians but also lead the state during war. mr. volodymyr, in your opinion, what is happening now in the information space is simply being merged information that was being prepared for some kind of implementation, is it just informational and psychological special operations , maybe by the russian federation or maybe by some third forces that want

zelenskyi to clash with zaluzhny in ukraine, i don’t have an answer to this question, i think that the absolute majority the consumers of this information, i, the consumers of this information , also do not have answers to this question, so one must be very careful with the use of such information, it is undeniable that the presentation of such information, it is definitely promoting this kind of information... it weakens ukraine, so you have to be very careful, if you are not sure that it really corresponds to reality, that some absolutely reliable source of information, then obviously it is better not to pick up and spread this kind of information, because it may actually be some kind of russian ipso, but due to its prevalence due to its being picked up by a large number of ukrainians, unfortunately, it can work, so i, uh, with, think that, that we, ukrainians, should be careful with using i would like such information

strongly believe that this information is unreliable, because i am convinced that now to talk about some misunderstandings between the political and military leadership, in such a difficult time for the country, well, it would actually be very risky, i really hope that there is no such thing and that what happened until now, when we did not witness any such misunderstandings , at least they did not become public in any case, that such an atmosphere of understanding the importance of preserving this unity will still be preserved, mrs. inno, can this it was easy to finish the story very simply, zelensky meets zaluzhny, all social networks are from photos of zaluzhny and zelsky, where they are shaking hands, or a video where they are talking to each other. is there any specific dialogue and put an end to it, instead we see in a single telethon how the deputy head of the office of the president

of ukraine, well, by the way, this is an old video, when zaluzhny had a birthday, he was presented with a pistol on behalf of the supreme commander, zelensky himself, and it would be possible to take it and close it this topic is quite simple, but there are some officials of the administration office... of ukraine who are trying to tell something there, to give characteristics to the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, why aren't we looking for, or why aren't the authorities finding fairly simple solutions for to remove all such problematic issues, which are simply discussed for weeks in social networks and in the media, well, it is difficult for me to comment on the authorities, why they do not find simple solutions, because, well, in general. and sometimes look for simple solutions, so it cannot be said that this is a trend,

here, in this particular case, it is obvious that the discussion about the tension between general zaluzhny and president zelsky has reached such a scale that it really needs to be resolved somehow, so that it ceases to be a constant source of inspiration for the russian ipso, so, obviously, that as this story continues and there is no conclusion to it, well, it continues to be, yes, a constant object used by russian propaganda, for the last several weeks, it's a constant theme that they bring up, and that's why all these 'about possible reshuffles, they acquire such a panicky character, and instead of having a professional discussion about who should continue to lead, including the armed forces of ukraine there, well, because, excuse me, but mrs. ostashchenko, the head of the command of the medical forces, and i , and most of the deputies in the parliament, and the volunteers and the military have a lot of questions, uninsured kits, no medical tanks, lack of adequate

standards of medical care, all programs with vlk and so on and so on, these problems exist, but we must talk about it calmly, out of order and not in the context of the conflict between zelskyi and obendy, and in the context of a calm, adequate assessment of the professional abilities and results of the activities of certain people, and, but we do not have this professional discussion, instead it constantly turns into a politicization of the issue, including regarding the leadership in the armed forces of ukraine, and as a result, neither the problem with the problems there, including personnel , is solved, yes, because the problem with the command forces, it has existed for a long time, but it is not solved, yes, nor there is no removal of this general surrounding of a potential conflict between the president and the involved, thank you, ms. elizaveta, literally a minute, if you put in, is there a conflict between the political leadership and the military, well

, you know for sure, you know, i think it is necessary to quote it, the leader of the office of the president of ukraine, andrii yermak, who recently said in an interview that there is no information that would indicate that they will be filming the villain, or there is some kind of conflict, i think this is the most reliable information from the main person, in fact , except ours the president who voiced what is actually happening, i don't believe that now is the time when it is necessary to make such large personnel reshuffles, just to provide informational and psychological support to someone, some discussions, we need to focus on

victory and that we do everything as possible with those human resources, with those, with that, the main person, the hard worker that is now , to do it all as much as possible, there are problems, of course, but the problems are at different levels, and we would really like to solve it, thank you, thank you ms. elizaveta, volodymyr yatrovych, yelyzaveta yasko and inna sovsun were on the air of telekanaluso. thank you, ladies and gentlemen , for participating in our program, i would like to remind our viewers that during the program we are conducting a survey, we are asking you today if you are ready for a long time. war with russia, now let's look at the results of the survey, during the two-hour broadcast we collected your votes, 47% are ready, 53% are not ready. there is also an ongoing poll on youtube, here 59% are ready for a long war, 41% are not ready, more than 300 votes participated in

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