[000:00:00;00] and i welcome it, i liked that you spoke now about our ukrainian state language, and you know, i very often at such an everyday level worry about such a question, because i am also a mother, i speak with my child in ukrainian, although i can speak both russian and ukrainian, looking at who speaks which languages, without any problems at all, but i will never show my child a cartoon in russian. recently, by the way, volodymyr vyatrovych and i took part in a discussion where we talked about this, which is very interesting, which is a lot ukrainian-speaking parents, and those who have been ukrainian-speaking since childhood and recently became completely ukrainian -speaking, for some reason do not see what they already believe when consuming cultural products that are created, for example, in russia, there is masha and medvid and

all that, or at all is not a ukrainian-language product, that it affects the child, and this is a very, very interesting fact, and i would like more ukrainian parents to pay attention to this, because very often i am even on the trains there, watching that parents show to their child, who speak completely ukrainian with their child, for some reason russian-language content, i don’t really understand it and i think that we ukrainians should pay attention to this and prepare a cultural product in the ukrainian language that will be of high quality, that will convey our ukrainian values, european values, to our children, absolutely, absolutely exactly what you say, i would also like to see more ukrainian on tv and on youtube, because some channels that are based in lviv broadcast something

in russian, for me. it's a wonder, to be honest, uh, why one of the tv channels constantly makes russian-language content, for me, well, frankly, it's very strange that this happens, but espresso is a ukrainian-language channel, and we have our own ideology and our own values, we we are defending them, ms. tapanova, i wanted to ask you about your colleague oleksandr dubinsky, to my colleague in the parliament, because today, on the night of november 14, the court chose a preventive measure for him, he was imprisoned for 60 days in sizo, he is accused of high treason , service of the security of ukraine says that he worked for the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of the russian federation, that is, he was a russian spy and is charged with treason, this is the second person in recent times, in the last two months

from the parliamentary hall, who receives... suspicion in case of treason, of course, both ne nestor shufrych and oleksandr dubinsky will have to defend themselves in court and prove that they are not russian spies, or the court must prove that they are russian spies, and when there is a court verdict, then it will be clear, or all the claims against these two people's deputies, are they true, but the question for... now stands as follows, in which way , in your opinion, should the ukrainian special services identify these russian spies in the ukrainian government, because it is absolutely clear that they are, and they work for the russian federation, at the highest levels in the state, that is, whether it has to be a polygraph, or

whether it has a lie detector, or whether it has to be some kind of special check by the security service of ukraine, i think that some element of the check must it has to be, because it can't be like that to be that the 10th year of the war with russia has passed, the second year of the great war, and here people's deputies are being pulled out one by one and they are saying that they are state traitors, because it looks, to be honest, somewhat bogus, because it is not clear how many of more people will be pulled out of this bed, mr. volodymyr, well, first of all, i will remember a soviet saying that if a person looks like an agent, if he acts like an agent, does what an agent should do, then it is certain that this person is an agent, there is no need to invent too much here, it was enough to look at the actions that mr. dubinsky did, to understand for whose benefit these actions are, and it is obvious that there is a certain

russian trace behind this, i really hope. that now our special services will be able to justify it and finally expose it, as for some preventive mechanisms that you talked about, i think that here the main polygraph should still be the ukrainian voters, well, despite all my disrespect for people like dubinsky, after all, unfortunately, he is the one who was elected by the ukrainians, so i think that we need him to carry out very serious educational work among ukrainians so that in the future this kind of person does not get into the parliament, because i want to say once again that he got there not because russia somehow installed him in the parliament, but because his... was chosen by ukrainian voters, unfortunately, he did, he had quite serious informational support, he had a powerful information channel at his disposal, he had many people who cooperated with him, not knowing or understanding

what role they play in spreading the word a specific person who turned out to be an agent, but in the end, finally, the fact that he got into the parliament was the result of the elections of ukrainians, well, but the voters also make mistakes, which can... if the party leadership makes a mistake , then let's hope that it will be very a good school, especially the parliament, which is now a parliament in a very critical period for ukraine, and it is obvious that this very critical period reveals a lot of things that may have been there before, but were simply more hidden, i am sure that shufrych did not stavent only in this convocation, and it is obvious that he cooperated with russia throughout his entire political life. thank you, mr. volodymyr, ms. inna, you know exactly how special inspections are conducted, people who are appointed

to positions, and obviously, obviously, there too, you need to have a certain set of virtues in order to become a deputy minister or go to a government office the office of some central authority, what do you say, in what way to overcome the influx, or let's say, not the influx, maybe it is not an influx, to overcome this and these, exiled cossacks from moscow, who are agents of either the gru or the fsb, and they are cleaned, cleaned, cleaned, cleaned, and there are so many of them that there is simply no end to the land. well, first of all, we have a distinction between how we select for elected positions, including deputies of the verkhovna rada, deputies of other councils, and for positions in the administration, yes in the executive branch, and

this is actually logical, because to the executive branch, we appoint people who have passed a certain selection, including, theoretically, they should have passed some kind of qualification selection, and instead, in addition to political appointments, political appointments are minister and above. yes, instead, in an electoral position, it is of course , as volodymyr said, it is a question of who was elected by the voters, and here is a really big question, it is a question first of all, let's say so, on one side of political enlightenment, well, on the other side, of course adequate control over the media space, which gives such people the opportunity to promote pro-russian views without any reaction, yes, that is, it is necessary to fight not, in this case, not with individual candidates who promote all views, and with platforms that provide the opportunity for this propaganda, and unfortunately, too much was done here and these people continued to have huge access to information resources, and unfortunately, of course, that this helped them

to be elected to certain positions, but going back to your question, when you raised it, right at the beginning of this thread , what should be done, how should the security service better identify these russian agents, i'm not an expert... on security issues, but what 's obvious to me is that if there are american sanctions on people for three years, well, it should happen for sure, the reason for checking a person is not today, but three years ago , as soon as these sanctions were announced, yes, that is, there is probably no universal tool, but when a partner country imposes sanctions on a people's deputy, then an investigation should be happen faster i'm not talking about the fact that this happened sooner meant that byinskyi remained in the parliament, had access to internal information about what was happening in the parliament, perhaps elizaveta, as he remained in the faction chats

there was no word left and so on, that is, all these things that happened as a result of something that did not happen then, at a time when there were already very clear signals, specifically in terms of dobinstvo, well... these americans were definitely there evidence that something had to be done about it, well, it's good that they reacted now, but the damage has already been done, or at least it was corrected in the near future, yes. and that's why it was necessary to react more quickly here, and we will react very quickly in the future, but let's remember that we also have employees security service, there are many cases where they are discovered, and it is obvious that this also affects the effectiveness of the service for detecting agents, including among the people's deputies, mrs. elizaveta, how did you sit next to this russian agent, because well

you are in the faction with him, and you obviously, as ms. inna correctly said, were there in the same chat , talked, well, it must be very difficult when you know a person there for four years, and then it turns out that he is accused of treason , that how does the awareness of what dubinsky is pinocchio, not dubinsky, i will honestly tell you that i have never communicated with dupinsky recently, maybe we greeted each other only once or twice, i never had the desire, to be honest, to have any intellectual or other discussions , i was always very wary, certain things about which he spoke openly, he very often said rather anti-european , anti-western things, i believe that to comment there or to someone else from the parliament, well, whoever wants to,

let them comment, i think that let them here assessment is given by those bodies that investigate him involvement in certain anti-state or any other actions, it seems to me that what is important here in this situation is that in fact we really started, we as ukraine, we as the state, we as the parliament, we as the government, the opposition and all together , we actually began to really clean up and conduct an investigation, please tell me in which years this happened , of course, we are constantly living in a historical period, and a lot of important things for our ukrainian state-building are happening, but such that we reveal agents or

suspicions were handed over, and for this to be possible also about former and current high-ranking government officials, this has never happened, and here we must actually say that we have made enormous progress, and at a time when it is very difficult for all of us, the processes that are taking place because of the war, of course they make us very tired, we need to see this progress, maybe it has not yet reached the moment where we would see a super result. but we are already somewhere in the middle, there are a lot of different investigations going on, we just want it not to happen, so that it would be effective, and the one who really a criminal, we should know about it, and who is not a criminal, then let that person defend himself , the courts must decide it, but here the question is already up to us, before the reform of our judicial system, and here we can

talk about it for a very, very long time, let's see how it goes, we all want it, you know, you're right about the fact that there's a lot now, or why there's so much now of all the cases that we're going forward and you see how we're catching them effectively, but for the so that they are not in power, there is no need to bring them there, well, i do it seems that there should be some kind of political responsibility of those people who delegated him the full power. he was already the head of the regional organization of the servant of the people, he was one of the leaders, i may remind you, for more than two years, in fact, he is not part of the faction of the servant of the people, and this is an important point, because sometimes they forget about it, we excluded it, that is, this was a party decision, he no longer represents a servant of the people, for more than two and a half years, this question is not for you now, i am simply saying that he was recruited in the 16th year, he entered the parliament

got into the 19th year, so the fact that you expelled him two years ago is great, but obviously he should not have entered the parliament, well, if the head of the security service of ukraine was delegated by president zelensky, then i think he should have already some data on the cooperation of dubinsky with the main intelligence agency of the russian ministry of defense, well, this is my assumption, well, but the thesis... i , in principle, remain in the village, that in order not to detect agents, it is not necessary to bring them to power, well this is my personal opinion, i do not pretend, ladies and gentlemen, we have take a short break. we will return in a few minutes before the broadcast. the world is changing, and so is castrol. do ordinary things become unreal? heavy bags are not for my sore

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sources, wrote about it, the ministry of defense denies this information, but here is what happened, it is included in this topic, which has been constantly circulated in social networks and in the media for the past month or two in one way or another, that there is a certain conflict between the civilian leadership of the state and the military leadership of the state, that is, those who are fighting and those , who is a civilian but also rules the state during wartime. mr. volodymyr , in your opinion, what is happening now in the information space is simply the merging of information that was being prepared for some kind of implementation, or is it simply informational and psychological special operations, maybe... the russian federation, or maybe some third forces that in ukraine want zelenskyi to get along with zaluzhny.

i do not have an answer to this question, i think that the absolute majority of consumers of this information, i am one of the consumers of this information, also do not have an answer to this question, so one must be very careful with the use of such information, certainly that the presentation of such information is certainly , spreading such information, it weakens ukraine, so you have to be very careful. if not sure what it is really corresponds to the reality, that some absolute source of information is worthy of trust, then it is obviously better not to pick up and not to spread this kind of information, because it may actually be some kind of russian ipso, but due to its prevalence, due to its undermining of a large number of ukrainians, it , unfortunately, it can work, so i believe that we need to be careful with the use of such information, i would really like to believe that this information is unreliable, because i am convinced that now talking about

some misunderstandings between the political and by the military leadership, in such a difficult time for the country, well, it would actually be very risky, i really hope that this is not the case and that what happened until now, when we did not actually witness any such misunderstandings, at least they did not did not... make public in any case that such an atmosphere of understanding of the importance of preserving this unity will still be preserved. mrs. inna, it was possible to finish this story very simply, zelensky meets zaluzhny, all social networks from the photo zaluzhnyi and zelsky, where they shake hands or a video where they talk to each other or something, there is some certain dialogue and put crack. and instead, we see in a single telethon how the deputy head of the office of the president of ukraine, well, by the way, this is an old

video, when zaluzhny had a birthday, he was presented with a pistol on behalf of the supreme commander, zelensky himself, and it would be possible to take and close this topic it's quite simple, but there are some administrative officials of the office of the president of ukraine who are trying to do something there tell. to give the characteristics of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, why are we not looking for or why is the government not finding quite simple solutions in order to remove all such problematic issues that are simply discussed for weeks on social networks and in the media, well, it is difficult for me to comment on behalf of the government, why don't they find simple solutions, because well, in general, they tend to look for simple solutions from time to time, so you can't say that this is a trend here. here, in this particular case, it is obvious that the discussion about the tension between, general zaluzhny

and president zelenskyi, it acquired that scale. it really needs to be solved somehow, yes, so that it ceases to be a constant source of inspiration for russian ipso, yes , it is obvious that when this story continues and there is no conclusion in it, well, it continues to be, yes, a constant object used by russian propaganda , for the last few weeks, this is a constant topic that they bring up, yes, and that's why all these discussions about possible permutations, they take on such a technical nature, and instead of to have a professional discussion on who should lead the armed forces of ukraine, including the armed forces of ukraine there, because, excuse me, but ms. ostashchenko, the head of the command of the medical forces, and i, and the majority of deputies in the parliament, and from volunteers and from the military has a lot of issues, lack of provision, lack of medics, lack of adequate standards of medical care, all

the problems with the vlk and so on, and so on, these problems are there, but we need to talk about it not in isolation and not in the context of the conflict between zelskyi and vandino, in the context of calm adequate assessment of the professional abilities and results of the activities of certain people, yes, but we do not have this professional discussion, instead , it turns into a politicization of the issue , including regarding the leadership in the armed forces of ukraine, and as a result of this, neither the problem nor the problem , which are, among other things , not resolved, yes, because there are problems with the command. forces, it has existed for a long time, but it is not resolved, yes, nor is there any removal of this general surrounding of the potential conflict between the president and the industrious, thank you, mrs. elizaveta, just a minute, if you will put in, is there a conflict between the political leadership and the military, well, you know for sure, you know, i think it is necessary

to quote here, the head of the office. the president of ukraine, andriy yermak, who recently said in an interview that there is no information that would indicate that they will be filming the film, or there is some kind of conflict, i think that this is the most reliable information from the main person, in fact, except our president who has voiced what's really going on, i don't believe that now is the time where it is necessary to do... just some big personnel reshuffles, just to give someone information and psychological support, some discussions, we need to focus on victory and to do everything as possible with those human resources, with those, with that,

the main person, hard-working, which is now, to do all this as much as possible. there are problems, of course, but there are problems at different levels and we would really like to solve them, thank you, thank you mrs. yelyzaveta, volodymyr yatrovych, yelyzaveta yasko and inna sovson were on the air of tv channel. thank you ladies and gentlemen for who took part in our program, i would like to remind our viewers that during the program we are conducting a survey, we are asking you today whether you are ready for a long war with russia, now let's look at... the survey during the two-hour broadcast, we collected your votes, are you ready 47%, not ready 53%. there is also an ongoing survey on youtube, here 59% are ready for a long war, 41% are not ready. more than 300 votes participated in the survey on

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