[000:00:00;00] in short, we will talk about all this in 15 minutes, please wait, what will happen to the gas sector after the end of the war, or what israel will do, whether it will re-occupy the territories or not, we will talk about this on bbc news ukraine live from london, i am evgenia shedlovska while israel's war against hamas in the gaza strip has been going on for more than a month, western countries are hopeful. that it does not turn into a big war in the middle east, let's try to figure out how this conflict can end. the israeli military entered the gaza strip after attacks by hamas militants. the israeli military says the group is no longer in control of mitstogaz, the largest city in the territory, and while

the war continues, it is not known who will... run the gaza strip when the fighting ends, whether israel will reoccupy it, or whether the palestinian authority will be there. , and another question, what will happen to the west bank, while there is a war in the gaza strip, there are clashes between israelis and palestinians in the west bank, will there be an escalation of violence, will there be a palestinian authority that runs the west bank manage the gas, a lot of questions arise. in general, in order to better understand this conflict, you need to get the maps, see which palestinian territories we are talking about. the gaza strip, where israel is currently fighting, and the west bank are territories where palestinians live. israel occupied them after the 1967 six day war . the status of those territories is not defined. it should be resolved during negotiations. and it is important to consider that these territories are controlled by different forces. since 2006 , the hamas group has been in charge of the gas sector. it came to authorities after israel withdrew its military and settlers from there. hamas has supplanted the ruling khvatf movement in the west bank.

in the west bank of the jordan river , the palestinian authority operates under the leadership of mahmoud abbas. he is over 80 years old and has not participated in any elections for almost 20 years. this context will help to understand the israeli-palestinian conflict, what is happening now, and the united states, a key ally of israel, is opposed to israel reoccupying the gaza strip. and what is the position of the israeli authorities. prime minister netanyahu says that after the war, israel will control overall security in the sector for some time. gaza, he did not explain what exactly israel plans to do after the fighting ends, and prime minister netanyahu rejected the american proposal to create a government in the gaza strip led by mahmoud abbas and the palestinian authority, and the second part of the american plan involves negotiations on the creation of two states. you've heard the saying about two states, the idea that the israeli-palestinian conflict can be resolved by creating an independent palestinian state. so, against an independent palestinian state,

israeli prime minister benjamin. yakhov performed throughout his career. back to what is happening now, israel launched a war against hamas in the gaza strip after the militants attacked an israeli settlement on october 7. then hamas militants killed more than 1,000 israelis, mostly civilians, and took more than 200 hostages to destroy hamas. this is the declared goal of israel in the gaza sector. and the bbc's international politics commentator jeremy bowen, who covered the others conflicts in the middle east, analyzes what the end of this could be. war when the wounded mosab was brought to the hospital, there was no free bed for him and the hospital doctors had to improvise. and in this photo, premature babies had to be taken out of the incubators due to the lack of electricity in the main hospital of the sector. all of them were born into the brutal reality of war. in past wars between hamas and israel, during this time the parties would have already reached a ceasefire,

but before the next explosion. journalists are not can get into the gas, then they all come here, to zderot, the closest israeli city to the gas sector. perhaps the biggest question right now is what will happen in gaza tomorrow, who will be in power , israeli occupiers, international forces, palestinians, if so, which ones, but this war is unlike any other, the death toll, both from the hamas attack and from israel's attacks, bring this conflict to a new level, israel continues to attack gaza, and the prime minister of the country, netanyahu , rejected the plan of the united states. the white house wants gas after the fighting ends led by the palestinian authority , the rivals of hamas, and then it will come to the creation of a palestinian state next to israel, but netanyahu opposes palestinian independence and wants israel to control security in the region. danny

yatom previously headed israel. he says netanyahu was dismissive of the offer from israel's most important ally precisely because of security concerns. first, israel must not long... stay in the gaza strip, and secondly, the troops will not be able to withdraw from the gaza strip until all the hostages are in in our hands, returning to a peaceful state, and now we have won, changed hamas, won the war against hamas, and now it is necessary to define what this victory means, i would define it as the collapse of hamas, as an entity, as an organization that has lost its command . and while israelis unanimously support their army, the country's prime minister is losing support. society. at this protest, outside his office in jerusalem, people believe he is pandering to the radical jewish nationalists who keep him in power. another big question for israelis is the future of their prime minister benjamin

netanyahu. he was a controversial figure even before the events of october 7, and now many israelis blame him for the mistakes of intelligence, security forces and the army, which ultimately paved the way for the terrible attack by hamas. the public is outraged that after hamas militants killed and maimed so many israeli citizens, the military and intelligence acknowledged their share of the blame, but the prime minister never did. also, the pressure to stop is growing fire in exchange for hostages. of course, hamas must be destroyed, but the question is how to do it? and this is an important question. and before i... kill one terrorist, i want every single one of the hostages to come home , i want to bring home the ten-month-old baby, i want to bring home the elderly, and i want that more than the deaths of the terrorists, we can finish this thing , when the hostages

return home, the pain and hatred caused by the events of october 7 may also engulf those who still believe in peace, not permanent the war almost every day , more and more palestinians killed in israeli raids are being buried in the west bank. these occupied palestinian territories become the next battleground of this war. western leaders believe that the only way out of this conflict is the revival of the two-state solution, that is , the creation of an independent palestine next to israel, but not everyone agrees that this can work. advisor to the palestinian president, sabri saidaw, has heard this proposal before. i believe that these are empty words, it is meaningless if it continues like this, if you if you want to do something, you need to not just talk, you need to put these conversations into practice, and if we just continue to repeat those slogans, we will not

get anywhere. even at the start of the war, joe biden warned israel not to be blinded by anger, as america was after the 9/11 al-qaeda attacks. and now israel's tactics are on america's watch. they express support for israel, but say the war machine they helped build israel has killed too many palestinians. israeli military censors forbade us to show their faces the soldiers we captured on camera in gas. and high-ranking western diplomats from israel's allies told the bbc that ending the war and eliminating its consequences will be a difficult and messy process. this wall between jerusalem and the west bank is a monument to the death of the last peace process. so what do we know? the events since the october 7 attacks have shown that israel cannot deal with this conflict, and the rest of the world cannot ignore it. there is a history of a century-long

conflict between arabs and jews for control of this land, and this proves that it cannot be solved by military methods. if the current bloodshed does not lead to a new and serious one. attempts to make peace, there will be more wars between the next generations in the future. but war hardens people's hearts. in gaza, during a brief lull, thousands more palestinians fled the israeli offensive. if this war does not force the israelis, the palestinians and their influential friends to try to make peace, they will face more wars in the future. this is the conclusion of the bbc columnist, jeremy boben. by the way, if you want to understand the story better israel, to know more about the palestinian territories, i highly recommend reading this text on our website bbc.ua, about the borders of israel on maps, why they are still not defined, what

the future of the gas sector and the region as a whole will be, largely depends on when and how the war between israel and hamas will end , we do not know, one thing is clear, a return to the previous state of affairs, when the palestinian-israeli conflict is not even on... is no longer possible. this is how brendan, an expert from the telyaviv university, said about what to expect in the future on the bbc friedman. when it comes to long-term dynamics. relations in the region, i think the main cause for concern now is escalation, because we must realize that we are on the verge of a regional war. before talking about the future of gaza, it is necessary to prevent the spread of the conflict, but in the past seven days the tension between israel, the hezbollah movement and iranian proxies in the region has increased. they launched a combat drone at an elementary school in the city of eilat in southern israel. there were 37 children there then. fortunately, no one was hurt. waited,

but the kamikaze drone was enough hit another part of the building and we would have a much wider war than we have now, so the question of what will happen tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, how israel will build relationships in the region will depend on how the current war plays out, i think a lot of people assume , as if the war will end soon and clearly, things may not be so at all, if we take into account some of the statements we hear from beirut and some of the actions. it is precisely about whether this conflict will expand, whether it will be bigger, whether the lebanese hezbollah group will join these battles. in the gas sector from the beginning israeli bombing killed more than 11,000 people. these are the data of local doctors , the ministry of health, the gas sector controlled by hamas. the gas sector is important to consider, it is one of the most densely

populated places on the planet, on the territory. over 2 million people live and now because of the bombing hundreds of thousands have been forced to flee the fighting, for a month bbc journalists have been following the lives of people in the gas sector and here are some stories, i'm in here, alive, come here, i'm alive, i'm alive, us bombed, they bombed the whole house, where we walk, like us to get out of here, under... a young man searches for survivors in the ruins of his house. abdulhakim lives in the alburej refugee camp, which has often been the target of israeli airstrikes during the war against hamas. a few months before the start of this conflict, abdulhakim received an education as a software engineer. but now he 's documenting his daily struggle. i'm still alive. as you can see, there is none here. electricity, i shoot with the flashlight on my phone. in

the first days of the conflict, the israel defense forces distributed leaflets to residents of the northern sector gaza, which is more than a million people, were ordered to evacuate and head south. along with thousands of others, farida, an english teacher, left her home. all my neighbors and families are evacuating their homes, but we don't know where to go. currently, there are no shelters or safe places in gaza. shelters were overcrowded within days, israeli airstrikes continued in the southern gaza strip. farida decided to return home, to the north. the israeli occupation caused this destruction. this morning, as you can see, they are everything was destroyed. with aid unable to pass through the rafah border crossing in the south, a humanitarian crisis unfolded. israel shut off water and electricity to

more than 2 million residents of the gaza strip. on october 27 , all landline, mobile and internet communications in this area were blocked, plunging it into complete darkness. despite the blackout, farida continued to write in her diaries. grief is tearing my heart, we feel bad, we are in trouble, we are completely broken. the war between israel and hamas in the gas sector has been going on for over a month, the number of victims is increasing, and so are we they talked about what will happen in the future, what will happen after the end of the war. this concludes our issue, read more news on our website bbc.ua. i say goodbye to you until tomorrow,

see you. greetings friends, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy ordenko, we are continuing the live broadcast of the espresso tv channel, the second part of our program is starting, from now on weekdays , the verdict comes out in a two-hour format, we work from 8 p.m. to 10 p.m.: we talk about ukraine, about the world, about the war, about victory, about what interests you, our dear viewers, today we will talk about the television empire of the office of the president of ukraine, how the security service of ukraine got involved, and how the secretary of the national security and defense council wants to put telegram channels on the wall, or rather, make them more orderly in terms of submission information, today our verdict is a guest of yaroslav

yurchyshyn, people's deputy of ukraine, voice faction. mr. yaroslav, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air. good evening, konstantin. bondarev, people's deputy of ukraine, fatherland faction. sir konstantin, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening. and we are waiting for the inclusion of victoria syumar, people's deputy of ukraine from european solidarity. throughout our program, friends, we conduct surveys. today we ask you about whether ukraine needs a single telethon, we ask this question on youtube, and there is a fairly simple option yes, no, or your option. answers, please write in the comments, well, for those who are currently watching us on the channel, there are phone lines that you can call if you think that ukraine needs a single telethon, call 0800 211 381, if not, 0800,211,382, all calls to all these

numbers are free, and with this short question, i hope with short answers we will start our conversation with our.. guests, let's start with mr. yaroslav, do you think ukraine needs a single telethon? if all national channels were included in it and there was a greater balance of positions, such a form as a single informing of society during military operations is quite acceptable. in the format in which it is now there is, it does not perform its functions. thank you, viktoria syumar, people's deputy, joined us. of ukraine from european solidarity. ms. victoria, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. we have just started a blitz survey on whether ukraine needs a single telethon, because we are asking tv and youtube viewers about it. in your opinion, very briefly, does ukraine need a single telethon or not?

you know, i will say that ukraine does not need censorship, because censorship kills the truth, and censorship kills freedom of speech in general. it there is a huge challenge today, unfortunately, we have what was called a marathon, but in fact it has become a tool of censorship, and this is actually already destroying public trust in the state, and that is why it is a dangerous phenomenon. thank you, mr. kostyantyn, and in your opinion, is there a need for a single marathon, telethon in ukraine or not? you know, today, the whole world, the democratic world, is actually at war. with the world of dictatorship, and what is our advantage, that we are a freedom-loving and democratic and free people, and therefore i believe that we have some framework, in

in the form of a telethon is definitely not necessary, we need a more transparent system of owners, as well as who exactly and what is said in the mass media, in order to be held accountable, in my opinion, we need to put things in order, and there is a certain issue with sometimes telegram -channels, we need to work in this direction, but to create a single communication, such a direction of providing information and ideas with society, we definitely need it, i believe that today a single telethon is definitely not necessary for our society. since we started with flash poll, let's expand this topic to 2024, 2 billion in the state budget is committed to a single telethon, this year, how the money was distributed among the main participants of this telethon, we will now

show a graphic, and this is a graphic that was accordingly created based on the data that public enterprise multimedia platform inomovlenya ukraine from april 12 of this year, so the largest sum of uah 146 million was received by the limited liability company we ukraine for the production of 900 hours of product, that is uah 163,000 per hour content, then tow slm news receives 112 million uah for the production of 780 hours of product, then the studio... 109 million uah for the production of 780 hours of product and the tv channel inter will receive 97 million uah for the production of 700 80 hours of product, well, that is, we see, relatively speaking

, there are three or four media groups that will be financed from the budget, that is, there is kolomoiskyi's group, although kolomoiskyi sits in sizo and, as it were, he transferred the management of corporate rights to the collective, there is pinchuk with his own channels, there is rinat akhmetov, who is not rinat akhmetov at tov we are ukraine, but there those presenters who worked are working. vtov ukraine is inter, which just yesterday became the property of firtash. firtash is sitting in austria, he is under threat of deportation to the united states of america, his business works normally in the telethon, makes money and everything is fine. ms. victoria, since you have been involved in the media sphere for quite a long time and have studied the media sphere. how can you explain. here is the structure and structure of financing and the structure of ownership of those who are currently participating in the single telethon, because it

gives answers, perhaps, to the main question, whether isn't zelenskyy creating a television empire around the president's office, and are these guys behind us ukraine and the inter tv channel , which can be owned by someone else, and this state funding of these tv channels, is he not turning them into the main... media oligarch in the country, i.e. the office of the president as the main media oligarch of the country. you know, i'm afraid that according to this wording, we are turning ukraine there , not even into russia, not even into belarus, in general into the dprk, because objectively, you really showed part of those tv channels that today they work in the only marathon that received funds. what is the we ukraine channel, well, you already mentioned it, these are the journalists of the former ukraine channel of renata akhmetov.

media experts who have written a lot about this, in fact today most likely cooperate with the office of the president of ukraine, since there is a shareholder named there who simply did not have the opportunity to be a shareholder, yes, that is why it is necessary to establish a tv channel there, that is, in fact , the state, through the state budget, and the state the budget is allocated by the government, the government in this way received the we ukraine channel, and here is this sign, it just clearly proves it, i don't really understand what is going on with slm, but i suspect that it is a group that makes a product for state tv channels, but we still have one huge problem, which is present in the marathon, by the way, we spawned a huge number of state tv channels, if in previous years, in general in 14-19 years we had, there was such a european approach that we should denationalize all media, they should not belong to the state, but we should have one, but powerful public broadcaster, then we have it now in addition to the public broadcaster, which is financed from the state budget, there is the rada tv channel, which is financed from the state budget

, the fried tv channel, which used to be an innovation channel, and now it is actually a tv channel that speaks inside the country, because there is no foreign language there today, english the language does not exist there, the products are produced there, for some reason it is in russian, it is not clear to whom at all, but it is also present in the telethon, and these are three... channels in addition to the houses of ukraine, which are essentially controlled by the government today, and you they said correctly about inter, now there is a lot of information, there are rumors that firtash is actually negotiating with the authorities today about his main businesses, which are focused there obviously in the oil and gas sector, there are oblgas and similar things, which are subject to partial nationalization there today, in obmmin that in fact inter will be controlled by the authorities as well and the information about this is not secret, it is also present absolutely everywhere on

the same detectormedia and many other resources that monitor processes in the media sphere, that is, this is another channel, yes, it is the fifth tv channel that today is controlled, in fact, by the authorities, i'm not talking about 1.1, their information policy, which has always been very close to, let's say, the team that is at the bank today, and it is obvious that funding from the state budget makes this editorial policy is completely loyal to the government, because it directly depends on the government whether it receives uah 100 million for the production of its product, channel 1.1, that is , it is another tv channel in the power pool, we see that today, you know, tv channels are not focused on the marathon , they are actually concentrated in in the hands of the authorities, in fact, these are state... tv channels, we turned the country into a country of unified state television, because

other tv channels, ukrainian tv channels, independent tv channels, we simply unlocked, the authorities simply unlocked from digital broadcasting and thus concentrated in their hands actually a monopoly on de facto state television, an extremely dangerous situation , completely not european and completely similar to the situation, even more so in north korea, than in what i was talking about, in russia, there at least some semblance of pluralism exists. thank you, mrs. victoria, and mr. yaroslav, i wanted to ask you about one of the participants. of this telethon group 1.1, because it so happened that over the past six months or a year, in one way or another, people are tangential to 1.1, or the owner of the share of 1.1 and 2 +2 viktor medvedchuk, who was extradited to russia, is suspected of treason, one of those who was a 1.1 star there, under what conditions he made programs there, it is not so important, but he was a 1.1 star oleksandr

dubinsky was charged with treason under... suspicion of treason, guests who were constantly there, nestor shufrych, was also suspected of high treason, kulyk, a prosecutor who was charged with high treason, and a completely personal question arises, that is , why this tv channel, which is financed by people who in one way or another were involved in high treason treason, still determines , or participates in the determination of the state information policy in the state, is it not time to simply at least... at the parliamentary level ask the question, listen, well, what are we doing, we take products in which state traitors were involved, we also stuff them into one national telethon, in a big patriotic telethon, which it should be, well, i want to remind you that until recently, nestor shufrych was the head of the committee on freedom

of speech, and even if, among the politicians you mentioned... . and here, in principle, do not take any product from a single marathon, there are a lot of questions, why exactly, in fact , this product was ordered from this production, why is this, we are fighting so hard for the fact that, in fact, on prozoro we go to open tenders, on open... tenders , even military procurements, victoria and i work in the anti-corruption committee, we initiated a bill so that not armed procurements by the ministry of defense, at least in fact we would inform about how the bidding took place, from whom the purchases were made, in order to understand, yes , in this case, we really see that the actual resources

that should go to support all the channels that are involved in the formation of a single marathon are allocated quite opaquely, not to mention that the actual list of channels that join the single marathon also, well, very strange, but, apart from the public one, there are only representatives of oligarchic channels, so-called, we can talk about the fact that under pressure, fear of getting into the register of oligarchs, someone transferred the property, someone, on the contrary, returned the public share in the media asset , this has now been done by firtage, and that is why there are more questions than answers here, and it would seem that a sufficiently progressive law on media should be adopted, but the personal composition, the national committee of telerio, that is , the regulatory commission in the field, and again , ms. gresumyuk, a native of 1.1, heads it, and

well, questions arise again, and who is the regulator, so to be honest, at the level , in fact, i would perhaps partially agree with victoria herself about the fact that we have such a serious enough state monopoly on the media, but here i would be more correct said that probably the authorities, because we have a state broadcaster, public broadcasting , which received serious enough independence during the previous convocation and thank god, preserved it, and if you look at the results of the research of the institute of mass information, then it is the most balanced share in the only marrafoni, that is, is it possible to submit materials in a balanced way, well, but if you are not dependent on the authorities, that is why it is a big challenge, we as a parliament have now taken a step forward by adopting a law on media in accordance with european standards, but now there is