[000:00:00;00] well, we continue our broadcast, igor simivolos, director of the center of middle eastern studies joins our broadcast , mr. igor, congratulations, congratulations, good day, let 's talk about the meeting of the presidents, the president of the united states of america, joseph biden and the leader of the people's republic of china, xi jinping, who has already flown to the joint as far as we can now talk about the high level of this meeting and the future agreements reached, if they would be voiced there, if they would be heard by all parties, well above the level does not happen anymore, that is, after all, the meeting of xinjiang and

joe biden, this is a meeting of two leaders who represent the two most economically powerful countries in the world, so, without a doubt, great, great attention is focused on this meeting, on its possible results, and while we cannot, so to speak, talk about the results, we can assess the dispositions of the parties, that is, what each of the parties wants, how it presents itself... represents its position, its interest, and we will obviously start with the united states of america, the americans want restoration , full-fledged, full-fledged interaction related to military cooperation and information on military activities of both countries, and it is clear that this requirement, or this desire

, is related to possible chinese operations in the south china sea and around taiwan and the taiwan strait, that is, for the united states needs a clear understanding and understanding of what china wants, what its intentions are and how far it can go, that is, the security issue in this case is key. it is clear that in addition to this, global issues will be discussed at the meeting questions, and questions... the war in the middle east, the question of russia's war against ukraine, to what extent china is ready to listen to the words of the president of the united states of america, this is a question that, in principle, remains unresolved for now, but further, now china's position, it was voiced in xi jinping's speech,

was addressed directly. to the united states of america, where he notes that the two largest countries should share responsibility for what is happening in the world. based on his words, it can be assumed that china sees himself as second to the state, that is, he actually proposes to achieve such a level of relations with the united states of america that allows him to take this very position, i am not sure that the americans are ready to consider china in this, in this capacity, as a second over the state so, in other words, there are a lot of issues, starting from economic, economic interaction between the two countries, and ending with military cooperation, as well as discussion of current international issues. do you think biden will

offer to influence iran so that he refrained from escalation in the middle east? well, obviously he will propose, at least this one will be raised, but whether he will listen is a big question. why should he now, if, to do the work that the americans should do, he will not do anything for the americans, and if we compare the influence of china and the united states on iran? well, if we talk about levers of influence, there is no doubt that china's economic cooperation with iran is now gaining momentum, and we are talking about multi-million, maybe even billion-dollar investment contracts in this country, china needs iran as one of the key countries located on the coast of the indian ocean and the persian gulf, and

it is clear that it is part of its strategic task to ensure the safety of the transport route that runs between china and the persian gulf. various straits to europe, and in this sense, yes, its influence is quite powerful, but , as far as i understand, the chinese, in general , adhere to a different position than the dora, to iranian-american relations, and believe that the americans threaten iran, and not the other way around . mr. igor, in the ukrainian question, which one too will sound, as you said, at this meeting, in what way, and, let's say, china, the people's republic of china and directly the president of china, xi jinping, could join international support, is it about volodymyr zelenskyi's peace plan or some other

ways, mechanisms , i do not think that the chinese will promote the peace plan of volodymyr zelenskyi, as you understand, they have their own plan, their own vision for resolving the conflict, and they will most likely repeat the main points of their plan. you are in that plan, we remind you, that it consisted of 12 points, the peace plan of china, the people's republic of china, and there is a principle of non-alignment, it stipulates that ukraine should be non-aligned, will china insist on xi jinping, or will it insist on so that ukraine would be outside nato and outside the eu. well, you know, anyone can insist. about anything, for this it is necessary to at least appropriately participate in the resolution of the conflict, and if i remind you, this is the same plan, then the first point

is respect for territorial integrity and borders, that is, after assuming that the chinese forced russia to withdraw from all territories of ukraine, then they would have the opportunity to discuss other points of this plan, but that will not happen, so i think that this proposal , well, very hypothetical, the very visit to the united states of america for the ukrainian-pacific summit, can it already, by itself, indicate a warming of relations between the countries, i think it is not a warming, it is an awareness that the relations between china and the united states of america are important. each party is aware this, but each side looks at it in its own way, that is, there is no common shared vision, that is, at least, it is different views and different tracks, as i said, the chinese

want to increase their influence and strengthen their position, while the americans want their own eh, and to realize that china is not going to carry out military operations, at least in the near future, of course , let's also remember the events in israel and in the gaza sector, the israel defense forces are trying to free the hostages captured by hamas, the military said about the beginning ground operation in the area of ​​ashif hospital, which hamas militants use for military purposes. according to representatives of the israel defense forces, terrorists are hiding in this hospital, and hostages can also be taken there. earlier, israeli intelligence reported that there are tunnels under... the facility in which militants store weapons. the day before, the military warned medics about the need to evacuate the hospital. it will be recalled that israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu said that the operation in the gas sector is taking longer than he expected because

that the israelis are trying to ensure the safety of the hostages, the military and the civilian population. mr. igor, do you have an understanding of the current phase of the operation and how quickly it will be exhausted? well, there is an understanding, now the active phase of the operation, combat operations. in shifu, by the way, the israelis went there, they are inspecting the possible locations of terrorists there, so far i have not seen any such serious information that they are targeting someone there. are there any threats that this operation will last longer than expected and in israel, in tzahal, and that it will grow into something more? well here, let's see who hopes for what, that is, the americans and the moderate arab countries, hope that

this operation ends as soon as possible, because every day of the operation makes it more difficult to accept afterwards, or to return to the status quo that existed before october 7, and restoration. the negotiations simply normalized relations between israel and other arab countries. at the same time, let's say, part of the israeli government hopes that the operation will continue longer than planned, because it gives them an opportunity, if to delay, the moment when the aryadov commission, or the parliamentary commission, or the public, will ask them very unpleasant questions, what about the failure, the security situation on october 7, the same position in benjamin netanyahu, and that's why he is, as they say, changing... constantly in his version

of how long this operation will last, from the fact that it will be held there, last for several months to the fact that it can last even a year, and so it is not completely clear the ex-strategy situation, that is, what will happen after hamas is finally removed from power, who will be responsible for security in the gas sector, what will be the situation with the palestinian population. and many other things, that is, the israelis do not give an answer to this, and the further the americans put pressure on them, because for the americans, relations with the arab countries are also very important for the formation of security structures in the middle east, and they cannot act as hostages already now in policies b. thank you for your comments and explanations, mr. igor, igor simovolos. the director of the middle eastern studies center was

with us in the joint telethon. the kyiv volunteer team actively works in the front-line territories, supporting the military and medics, during the one and a half years of full-scale war, about 300 military vehicles, dozens of ambulances for medics, the volunteers drove the last two ambulances to marganets and kurakhovo. the margansk primary health care center received an ambulance from volunteers from kyiv, say that they try to help everyone who turns to them, over the past two years , 80 such car tires have been handed over to different cities of ukraine. these cars were foreseen in europe, they were in belgium, when this happened to us, three, three cars were transferred there, and one was transferred to kyiv, directly to the cancer institute, because it was at the very beginning, then it was through the media they said, and you can us, and you can us, well, that is, all these requests. began

to arrive and here it is, the 80th car, here it is its owner, as they say, margantsa, dnipropetrovsk region, has one hospital, which had only one ambulance , and now, thanks to volunteers, it is the second ambulance, the chief doctor says that this is very essential care, it is also palliative care, operative care, it is the transportation of patients, including delivery, but the main function... it is the provision of emergency medical care. express from foreign partners are fully equipped and of high quality. everything is here, and equipment for intensive care, and oxygen generators, and suture materials, dressing materials, medicines. the car is filled with a full tank, put on for the winter and is completely ready for work. here we made

a doctor's bag. it is fully equipped already in fragments, that is, antibiotics, droppers, creams, made here, hemostatics, well , that is, it is all compact in sections, hormonal drugs for anaphylactic shocks, at the same time, that is, all of it, here too, also the same history is also here, volunteers say that the idea is not only to help, but also to inspire donors to continue helping ukraine, by the way, volunteers are taking another aid car to korakhovo. well, we are adding oleksandr pavlichenko, executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights, to our broadcast. congratulations, mr. oleksandr. thank you for joining. yes, we hope we will hear you, but i don't want to ask you about the work of volunteers, not about helping medics on the front lines. territories, and about how

weighty are the testimonies of those ukrainians who are currently evacuating from the territories that are close to the front line, we understand that there can expose, there are a lot of facts, actually about violations of human rights and war crimes, that people can talk about, so my actual question, mr. oleksandr, is how many such facts are being recorded now, how many facts are exposed after the return of people from the territory , which is close to the front line and whether new complaints to international courts are formed on the basis of this. we work precisely with partner organizations in the initiative tribunal for putin, and to date, according to statistics, there are more than 57,000 recorded facts of crimes and there is usually a survey both in

the territories that have already been deoccupied and liberated since last year, and in the newly deoccupied territories, respectively , those who move and have the opportunity to testify about the crimes committed. ah, the number of complaints, first of all, is increasing and is being sent to the national law enforcement agencies for the opening of cases, because when we talk about the international bodies of the instance, it is exclusively an international criminal court that independently collects information, has access to criminal proceedings that are carried out here in ukraine, and such a channel should actually be worked out, first of all, registration with national law enforcement agencies on the basis of a pre -trial investigation, and accordingly conducting investigative actions that will indicate

the effectiveness and possibility of conducting an investigation and the possibility of involving international specialists as well , in particular from the same international institutions, from partners, say from law enforcement agencies in different states, when a joint investigation is carried out, we are talking about this joint investigation teams, where there is an exchange of information and the search for traces, or some other evidence that would help the investigation, it is better to establish a legally justified fact of the commission of war crimes, and accordingly, all this information is collected and processed, as for direct involvement in responsibility of specific criminals who have been identified, as well as for those processes that

actually continue to take place today since the creation of the special tribunal on aggression and, accordingly, for investigation within the framework of the current international criminal court, since we are now talking exclusively about one case that is open and known, this is the case of the deportation of ukrainian children, for which arrest warrants have already been issued, but this is not an exclusive and limited case that is under consideration in the mmk, and we are waiting for... some new information from the prosecutor karim khan, regarding which categories the proceedings will take place, what information specifically will, let's use this word, serve in order to the international criminal court for this category of cases has already conducted an investigation and

prepared materials for transfer to the international criminal court, because prosecutors are working to collect this information, i am sure that there will be a case that will concern. let's go and see what other things are going on. of course. the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights, of which you are the executive director, also presented its proposals at the meeting with the prosecutor general regarding the return of civilian hostages. i would like to discuss this issue with you, because dismissal civilian hostages, it is taken out in parentheses, because in principle it is not regulated by any of the conventions. tell me, what are your proposals? first, i said, this was the main proposal, it concerned the actual determination of the status of persons, at all levels, how this status is fixed in accordance with ukrainian legislation, where the status of a person who is actually

a victim begins, within the framework of the process in which these persons are , often these are either prisoners of war who are accused of committing crimes, but we are talking about civilians, who were former military personnel, and who were brought to justice in russia, for the possibility of resistance and for fabricated cases, they are led through various criminal proceedings. so, the question of the status of such persons in national legislation and, accordingly , the possibility of providing them with financial and legal support to their relatives and families when they are in such a vulnerable situation. situation, being in fact, being kidnapped by the russian side and being in those criminal processes where they are not criminals and are not actually involved. but they are, well, there is also a category and a number, quite a large, significant number of persons who do not go through criminal

trials at all, but at the same time they are civilian hostages and they are actually subject to torture, the very stay in conditions of deprivation of liberty is already cruel behavior , the issue of fixing such states, the issue of registration and in proceedings at the nation...' are equal to the corresponding status of such persons, respectively, and the conversation was also about the register of these persons. thank you for your comments, oleksandr pavlichenko, executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union of human affairs, was in touch with us. we continue. in ukraine, some products have become significantly cheaper, while others have started to grow, and apples are the main ones in our list of cheap products. if you are not a fan of vip varieties. noticed that the prices have decreased by almost 15%, and one of the reasons is that many farmers refuse to

export and sell their goods at home, it is still early to buy for the new year's table, but you can already treat yourself to the main holiday taste, tangerines are becoming cheaper, prices have decreased from 61 g per kilogram to 48, as for other representatives of the vegetable and fruit group , prices will rise, this is already a kind of autumn tradition, because during cold weather they should be stored in specialized storage, which leads to the growth of their cost price. however , prices for greenhouse vegetables may drop in ukraine as early as next year, all because of grants received by farmers for growing products. but for dairy products and eggs, the prices will rise very soon, at least by 5% we will have to buy record-breaking eggs for new year's holidays for almost uah 75 per dozen. despite this, the cost of food this... is much lower than in the past, for example, buckwheat now is twice as cheap as last year, now in some supermarkets it

can be bought for uah 27.50. denys marchuk, deputy chairman of the all-ukrainian agrarian council, with us on the air, we congratulate you, i congratulate you, mr. denys, you said that the prices of products will increase in the winter, which items and by what percentage, well, actually now we are moving into such a period of time , autumn-winter, when really. in a number of categories of food products, we will see an increase, already in fact, if we take the dairy group, this increase began at the end of august, and there are several factors that are connected with the decrease in the number of horses, with the end of the season of large milkings, and now , a little later, we move on to the issue that the quantity is decreasing, respectively , the supply, let's say, of extraclave milk, and the demand for it is from the point of view of processors, respectively. this also leads to the fact that its prices are rising. we can also talk about eggs, this is understandable, because the season of offers

from households is also over , we use them now in markets, shelves, stores, industrial production to a greater extent, but since we are also exporters of egg product categories, the prices, accordingly, they correspond to export prices, so now this peak will be in the range of 70-65 hryvnias, which should last until the middle of spring, we can also state that valuable vegetables will grow a little, despite the fact that we had enough a good harvest, but you know that they spoil quickly, in order to store them, you need to use appropriate technologies, and technologies are additional costs for energy, additional costs for other types of insulation of premises, accordingly, this will also be laid in production, therefore in fact, this end of november, the winter period of time, december, january, we can observe a price cut for products of this category within 50%. let's talk further about ukrainian

grain and export of grain, well, actually here a few topics that are interesting to me include, in particular, india's simplification of the procedure for the export of ukrainian grains and now a new insurance program, actually, or a reduction in the cost of insurance offered to exporters. for the use of the grain corridor in the black sea, this is such a program now, which is involved in cooperation with the government of great britain, that is, our government and great britain. let's talk about that first. well, actually, if we are talking about insurance and in general the cost of logistics and insurance, these are some of the key costs borne by traders or manufacturers who export directly. accordingly, all of this led to the fact that the price position within the country is already low for the second year in a row, but if insurance costs will decrease and

leading global insurance companies will really be attracted to enter this market, in particular, we are talking about the london companies, this is of course a positive step in order to reduce the corresponding price, and therefore the price position for commodity traders when purchasing their products, it will be a little bigger, and therefore we will actually be able to say that ukrainian farmers will lose less, because in fact , starting from last year and this season , the grain group is completely unprofitable, therefore, of course, it very positively accepts all such statements from and of the ukrainian government that there is a dynamic for cooperation with representatives of the insurance business of great britain. well, if you look at the numbers, grain exports from ukraine fell by more than 30% for the year, if we compare 2022 and the current year, it is about the export of cereals, grains and

flour, and it is now 31% lower. what factors affected it? well, one of the key factors, because when we talk about last season, it was the peak of the grain corridor , which from the month of august started its 22nd year, de facto, and august, september, october, those were some of the best months. the operation of the corridor for the entire period of its existence, and indeed then, starting there from the marketing year in july, it was possible to export a little more than 14 million tons of grain, now this figure reaches more than 9 million, of course this is not enough, against... the new conditions of harvesting the new harvest that we have, therefore it is very important to expand the work and humanitarian capabilities of this corridor, which works thanks to the military, we see that after all they they are doing everything necessary to guarantee security and , in principle, this has a positive effect on the fact that even after the bombing and shelling of the country by the aggressor, ships and commercial ships come in, this is

a great indicator of trust in the armed forces of ukraine, and of course we will continue. develop our directions of work with romania through exports through the territory of their ports, in particular constanța, and dry overland routes are an important issue, but there we are still hindered by protesters from poland, in particular carriers, we hope that in the near future we will be able to settle this issue at the interstate level , i understand why polish carriers are doing this, most likely, taking advantage of this political uncertainty, that is, the not yet formed... cabinet of ministers, they are thus trying to eliminate certain preferences for themselves, in that including, possibly from the european union, in the form of a certain support system, but i will point out to you that two sides are suffering, because imports from the territory of poland that go to the territory of ukraine cannot enter, accordingly , their producers are suffering, and ukrainian farmers are also suffering , that's why we really need to find consolidation here and all together reach the correct negotiation

processes in order to not give the enemy a chance together... talk about these processes, because the more difficulties we have among ourselves, the better the enemy feels. we thank you, thanks for joining and commenting denys marchuk, deputy chairman of the all-ukrainian agrarian council. the airing of the indoor national marathon of single news continues, very soon we, olga nemtseva, and i, maksym sborovsky, will return to discussing important topics in our studio. don't switch. chevorony, that the victory is approaching, and another year when we do not celebrate, but choose our

independence, another day when they try to deprive us of the right to be ourselves. and one more fleetingness of a terrible war that has been going on for centuries, but the whole world has already been convinced. our independence should not be trampled, drowned, burned, or shot. and the greater our hatred, the stronger our independence, the closer our victory. we prove independence every day. ukrainian gives freedom. the occupiers are pulling their tails, having heard about the ukrainian palianytsia and bovovna. and we haven't mentioned 30-letter words yet. ukrainian is the language of the free.