[000:00:00;00] by the way, i also wanted to ask what the institute of war also writes about, about the fact that the russians are now trying to seize the initiative, is it the same and the front is visible in your area, but you know, i cannot answer for 100% the front line throughout the territory of ukraine, but yesterday i had the opportunity to talk with a brother, we talked for almost half an hour with a brother from avdiyivka, and guys, to the left of us, bakhmut himself has no connection with anyone there, but a little to the left of us, deco. klischyvka, andriivka, and our direction in particular, i can't help you to say that there are some serious attempts to seize the initiative there, but you all know avdiyivka, there were assaults there as well as there are, and if possible, when the weather conditions allow it there and everything, they use all the equipment to shell avdiyivka, and of course there are some ministurms there, namely in our direction, in our lane, but the boys, a little to the left there 5-7 km in the direction of bakhmut, i would not say that there are any active attempts

to intercept the initiative, there are defensive ones some micro-attacks to defend themselves, but i won't say what's going on right there the entire front line, there is such a situation that our troops there are restraining, that the enemy is trying to intercept, this is, as they say, exactly behind the strip, which are close to us, because what the guys in zaporozhye have there, i barely know, i know, as well as and you, only from telegram channels and news , mr. yevgeny, actually the weather that makes corrections, that it requires what, i don't know, means, can we help those who are behind you so that this weather does not bother you? listen, you know, this is such a factor, i’m talking about the frontal war, yes, we have what it is exposed to, this mortars, these are arta, these are fpv drones, such places where there are shooting battles, because we have the shortest distance to the enemy, currently 150 meters, so i think that this does not prevent the command from inflicting

long-range damage there. artillery of rszv on, say, targets that were found, for example, a week ago, but when today there is fog and, rain, there, wind, well, the work of fpv is almost completely paralyzed, the most we can do is scout the ball, look at 2-3 km deep and watch their landings, how it happens, you understand, our unmanned drone, of course the pilot can't see everything at once, after that there are three or four decipherers sitting there, who are there on the big screen every centimeter and every second of this video to see, maybe, where the enemy has camouflaged this technique there, so i saw they are working at a small depth, but to say that today we have the opportunity, and you have 100% correctly noted this, it applies equally to both us and the enemy, so it cannot be said that we are paralyzed or the enemy is paralyzed, that is, to fly there today to a depth of 10 km, well, it's losing a drone, losing explosives, that's exactly what we're connected to,

not being able to fire mortars. statement, well, it is also just pouring, or the enemy did not raise , let's say, his head, did not raise his eyes, this is what the enemy does even in normal weather, but we are trying to work a little under the conditions of the number of backs that we have to be more precise and to protect him, yuriy butusov wrote a well-known journalist, a military journalist, a military journalist, to be precise, a military journalist wrote, so since he's covering the war without actually being a military man, he wrote an important post yesterday that i think is being reprinted, where is he, where is he writing about what uh, commanders think the most important specialty is gymors operator and f16 pilots , the generals think that the most important specialty is a stormtrooper, the combrigs think that the most important specialty is a drone operator and gunner, combatants think that the most important specialty is company, but both company and stormtrooper, drone operator,

gunner and pilot. aircraft think that the most important specialty is the infantryman, who plays with death every second in dirty trenches, in the midst of cold and heat, insects, mice, in damp little holes, dugouts, to get a foothold under fire, to carry everything on himself, carrying on his shoulders the most dangerous burden, and then he says that the infantry should become the most privileged branch of the army, the real backbone, this is not a question of humanism, this is a key question, including, i mean not... a question of humanism, a question of military logistics and state economy, the cost of war must be calculated, the preservation of infantry must become the goal of defense planning, this is the first condition for winning a long war of attrition, this is the opinion of mr. botusov, mr. yevgeny, what do you think about this as a person who is not far from the front line, but you also work as an operator, and i am in the

camera crew. i am not sitting with the remote control, but i will tell you that it will soon be two years of this war, of these two years, from january of the 23rd year, i am most of my time on... on the front, i cannot but agree with yuriy from the point of view that the infantry is, well, let's say, a loud story, probably one of the most important, one of the most important specialties, uh, you just can't dismiss here, let's say, like you can't dismiss anyone's weight, because without stormtroopers, for example, the infantry will always hold their positions, but the story is, no matter what, arta, pilots, stormtroopers. the positions were recaptured, the stormtroopers did not stay at the positions for 3-4 days, and then the infantrymen came to hold these positions, it was the same as we reduced among ourselves

the enemy had a distance of up to 150 m. we had the smallest distance of 450, the stormtroopers pumped this story, they repelled the enemy positions , they kept 150 to the enemy and the stormtroopers leave after a day and the infantry takes it, and you understand that the position that the enemy tried there, did not try , what an enemy... the word is not good on the tongue, what an enemy has lost, they will attack and the first two weeks there, because, well, they cannot report to their command that they are losing positions there one by one, they will try to fight it back , and it will be a pulley fire on to the infantrymen who are sitting there, so no matter who repels this position, the infantrymen go in and hold, take everything upon themselves, drag everything upon themselves, all the fortifications are pale to everyone and the dirtiest and most difficult work is 200%, but you understand, this mechanism does not work yes , this specialty is the most important thing, it does not work because yes, you can hold a position, but if you are not an assaulter, then you can hold the same position for 10 years. mr. yevgeny, now this recruiting system will work , do you think there will be many willing to submit their

resumes, join the infantry, stormtroopers, you you know, i once had a very deep conversation with a colleague of yours about this, and that's exactly what we were talking about, because you know, there are people who are like fire... imagine that he's 100 meters away from the enemy with a machine gun, and they it's just war and service in the army for them, that's all , well, the summons came, the whole family is crying, because tomorrow the boy will leave, tomorrow the boy will be killed, but different things happen, of course, war is not toys, but history in why, if you are sure, for example, that you will end up as the same operator with your mastered specialty bpla, well, we understand that it is ten times safer there than being a stormtrooper or being an infantryman on... the front, although, just so you understand, the normalizers that i know to fly as far as possible and with whom we work work precisely from the position of infantrymen at the front, but it’s a job of two or three hours and we’re gone, the guys sit there around the clock, that is, it’s safer, and when a person will understand that he will not be dragged, if he is not

morally ready to take part in shooting battles tomorrow, his she will not be forced to do it, but she will be useful, i i think that this will remove some of the moral barriers of fear and people will be a little more willing to go in, understanding that they will be used in their specialty, you and i, we showed our own video of a mouse attack in front of you, you say that now it is rainy weather, maybe the mice have quieted down a bit, they have already climbed into their holes somewhere, but not in the dugout, not in the trenches, listen, i don’t even remember if i said it or not, we had a bit of this last week, let’s go back to satire, it was even a competition between positions, we have... on one of the positions, half a bucket of mice was filled the most, god, you know, it's kind of funny, but they drive you a little crazy, because when you wake up, when you're on you, you catch two or three of them, it's the best case, when they

crawl into your sleeping bag, it's me i say, this is a better case, not the best, when you just have this couch there, on which you lie low, this bunk, and they just bite your fingers, if this is the story, not myself ... no, not the most pleasant, i'll tell you and in all seriousness , even at vrotny's meeting , they laughed a little at this, yes, there is a position there, a dugout, literally two by three, and half a bucket of targets was filled guys, with these mousetraps, with their hands, with what else, i’m saying, well, they still stick, let’s say, just like the enemy in some directions , and animals, not only mice and rats, stick because, well, listen to nature, it’s colder for them to go to, and frankly they say that autumn was warm for a very long time, and the frosts have only just set in, in the dugouts of the little ones, it is warm there, of course, they will go for warmth, this will not help them, eh, and last year there were so many of them too, and you know i

told you that in january i started driving in order, everything else, i was also in pixel, i was also involved in something, i had various referrals, i was an assistant to the grant manager there, but we were not promoted exactly to the front, so in january i did not see such a person anymore, and in january we went to luhansk region, entered we had a village there 4 km to the front, it was a concrete desert, it was a free territory, it was captured by the orcs , it was under occupation for six months and we entered, that is... this is the village of trevulitsy, where there was no one at all except the military, and no gas , no light, nothing, but these were houses, and in houses there, where we were trying to warm up with something there, well, if i saw one or two mice in january, it was good, but what is happening now, well, it’s a shocking shot, if i could show you a video, i will next time, maybe i will be from a position to host the broadcast, i will show you, oh my god, shaky shots, this life is also very difficult, this is also part of it.

what an illustration of how difficult the work is, there were no mice in the soviet films about the war of mice, well yes, in general everything was romantic, lyrical and beautiful there, the war is shown there as something, you know, some this, just a moral struggle for honor, there was not much there and not in any film, many things do not show what is really in the war, but i myself, i am from that even the video that reaches us about how there in russia, all kinds of educational work is carried out on their own military personnel, so we understand what kind of atmosphere really prevailed there, probably in the red army, which is now on the other side, which is now in the red army, which continues the traditions of the red army, yes , i'm sorry, the sound will be interrupted for a while, mr. yevgeny, we thank you, for this opportunity, for the fact that the connection allowed us to finally talk, thank you, we wish you a peaceful day, mice, let

them go to sleep. or they will go to the other world together with our enemies, thank you for the report, and by the way, using the opportunity to mr. ilon mask, because you know, we also have a pendulum of love, not love of the whole people, it was like that even before the war, all ukrainians adored the mask , because he was so cool, he promised everyone a hyperloop and to fly to the moon, here, the colonization of mars and so on, but now we all no longer love our mask terribly, because he is not ours, he turned out to be... he flirts with medvedev, writes something in correspondence and so on, and generally believes that the ukrainians will not be able to take back crimea and overthrow moscow to destroy, and what he doesn't guess, but i recently read in a british expert that if i were to note that the most technologically influenced ukraine's successes on the battlefield, it was starlink, the starlink system, the mask, the satellite communication that the russians they do not have, and very often russian military units remain during especially ukrainian breakthroughs, when

they are silent, they are left without communication, and this causes panic in them, they start to run away and so on and so on, ukrainians are constantly in contact thanks to whatever mask stalin, do you remember that there was a story that he, having given this story, wanted to, then wanted to turn it off, but he was pressured a little bit, the government is american and we also remember that, but we also remember what exactly on his initiative, all those and starlinks appeared in us and they supported them for free at the beginning they were generally distributed, i.e. this too cannot be forgotten, i.e., you know, there are just friends in words, there are friends who may not be very friends at first sight, but how, for example, with the same sho- scholz, i.e. in our main friend was boris johnson, boris johnson, who was considered a semi-clown in his homeland, for example, the person who led britain to brexit and so on. for example, olaf scholz, who was mocked

by everyone who is not lazy, from the ambassador to the president, now, for example, doubles up quietly aid of 4 billion euros to ukraine, seeing that something is wrong there in washington , and ukraine needs help, now we are receiving the next german tranche with cars, with ammunition, with shells, there are few shells, well, but none the less, dear friends , we are now taking a short break, then we will return and analyze the situation at the front. in general, stay with us, by the way, viewers remind, the viewer wrote that today is the day of television, radio and communication, i always forget about this holiday, because it's a little bit, the day of mental health in a madhouse, we didn't celebrate, so to speak, dear friends, stay with us, we'll be back very soon and continue, books for

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the institute for the study of war says that there are larger-scale operations in the kherson region conducted by the ukrainian defenders, here on our airwaves we have already asked several of our guests about what is happening there, but everyone says that we are maintaining a mode of silence, what do you say? well, as for the kherson region, i can say that the offensive actions of the ukrainian troops are continuing there , probably for a month, if not more . them , it is possible to bind russian units there in order to prevent their transfer to other directions important for the aggressor, but not now there are doubts that these are actions related to the expansion of the bridgehead, well, of course, the ideal scenario is a further breakthrough, that is, a breakthrough from the flank to the rear of the enemy

group with all the negative consequences for the russian troops, meaning damage to logistics, meaning refers to forcing them to redeploy their forces, for example, from the same melitopol or other directions, and creating other negative problems, that is, today these actions continue, and the platform, it is gradually expanding, together with those, the enemy recovered somewhat, let's say, they suffered losses, but they pulled up some reinforcements there, they will try to counter of course, well, literally by the end of the year it will become clear how it will be... further with this bridgehead, or will it just be a zone 5-6 km, which will be kept under control by our forces under fire control, in particular , such raids will be carried out from time to time in order to prevent the enemy from creating mine barriers there and creating their own, say,

security lanes and so on, i.e. , so that they do not dig in there and it does not pass, as in the melitopol direction, or it may develop into a further , larger-scale operation, but for this , of course, it is necessary to ensure the transfer of a larger number of troops and, most importantly, equipment. one way or another, everyone has been discussing the prospects of a further war for the last month at least accurately, this is connected with many factors , first of all, of course, with a certain, with a certain result, probably the conduct of the ukrainian offensive operation, from valery zaluzhny to, i don’t know, president zelensky, everyone is raising some some conclusions, here's the president yesterday, zelenskyi said that he once again confirmed the thesis that ukraine will not agree to any frozen conflict, because , according to him, in such a case it would mean that this, this war, would shift this war onto

the shoulders of our children and grandchildren, well, of course there is a question here that, relatively speaking, roman ratushny will no longer have children, his parents will no longer have grandchildren, that is, we already have people who gave their lives, and if we have further serious mobilization among young people, it will also mean that those and not all of them will have grandchildren, that is, this is an open question, annd fograsmoson, also a guardian, expressed that, in his opinion , it is necessary to move in the direction of going to some kind of freezing next year anyway, conditionally, not the freezing of the conflict, and you come to a certain conclusion, let’s say this, or an agreement, where it is possible that ukraine will not be able to take back all the territories , but in exchange for the otra... nato membership, meanwhile, was already commented on by maria zakharova, who again raised here too, you can to say the stakes, said that russia will never

agree to the membership of nato, ukraine in any form, with or without territories captured by russia. how do these prospects look now, how can you comment on all this, mr. oleksandr? well, it is clear that the russian position, it remains unchanged, aggressive, whatever. that ukraine cannot join the alliance, nor, by the way, in principle, they are not satisfied with the fact that we should also join the european union, of course, because it is absolutely final in any case, will remove all any claims of russia regarding what they want to influence and so on, any , not even what claims, but the possibilities for such claims, because all this will be completely excluded even at the institutional level, that is, ukraine will be institutionally ... already a state that is a member of the european union and nato. therefore, these scenarios do not suit them , they chose for themselves a planning horizon somewhere

until the end of next year, to try, to still conduct hostilities, a war of attrition, of course, which is actively fueled in information space, will create, create an aura of invincibility for russia, although in history russia has never won a war of attrition without the help of allies, this is by the way... an interesting factor, well, they want to say that they are still able to win, achieve of its goals, and one of the goals is, of course, to prevent ukraine from being accepted into nato, well, this is a matter for nato directly, because right here, as, you understand, even in rasmussen's project, let's imagine what for such, for such conditions, that is, we are talking about what there may be an analogue of the no-fly zone for the land part of the territory of ukraine, at the same time it is not deprived of the opportunity to recapture the occupied territories and no one recognizes them as the territories of russia, but then let's

simulate the situation, and what to do if russia continues to shell the territory of ukraine at this time, as be further then? and then nato should intervene by analogy, and nato is ready to apply article five, and there are many such issues. the next point, i still think that one way or another, ah, some members of the alliance might agree to this if ukraine recognized these territories as de facto, perhaps not de jure, but de facto russian, and refused to conduct hostilities for the liberation of these territories. this, this is a moment, let's say, which could be, and this is which, in which all the members of the alliance could agree, but i think that it definitely does not suit us, so actually speaking, these projects, they are for today... day, it seems to me that they, i think that this rasmosyn project should be perceived as sounding the soil, not even of public opinion in the world and

in ukraine, although this is also definitely necessary consider. and how, in nato itself, a check to what extent the members of the alliance are ready for a potential direct military confrontation with russia, because under such conditions, when it is proposed that ukraine can conduct hostilities, but be a member of nato, but conduct hostilities independently, therefore that these occupied territories will not be subject to article five, well, in any case, this is a transition to the next, this is the next step, which... is bringing nato closer and closer to a confrontation with russia, and it seems to me that this is a check , as far as alliance members can consider such scenario, more even for them than for us. neil ferguson, a world-renowned historian, public intellectual, wanted to say british, but probably scottish, it would be more correct to say, gave an

interesting interview, where he specifically says that he is interesting , by the way, because he is in front of... saw this war, it seems, earlier, even before the british intelligence and partners in washington began to talk about it, he still wrote, it seems, in the summer of 22, that putin dreams of holding a parade in poltava in honor of the anniversary of the battle of poltava, and it is also one of the first critics ideas of biden, ideas of biden's help, this formula of his that we will help. ukraine has as much as it can, and we remember ferguson saying it was a bad idea because it would eventually lead to a war of attrition where ukraine would have a worse chance, and today he is saying that ukraine one should not wait for the end of the war, but live as if this war will not end, and as an example, the successful construction of the country's development, the modernization of the country, south korea,

is it correct in your opinion, or can we... will you repeat the path of, relatively speaking, south korea , managing even in conditions of war with the economy and with the transformation of social institutions? well, first of all, you need to approach the basic things. south korea received security guarantees, and yet they had a signed cease-fire regime, i want to remind you, this is a different situation, and the american. the base that, the big base that is located in seoul is a guarantee of such security, i want to remind you that nuclear warheads were also located on the territory of south korea, and the air force of the united states, that is, the navy, well, we can understand that, of course, when there was such a guarantee that there was a deterrent factor, the north, of course, they did not

start ignoring the fact that seoul is at a distance of jet artillery. the reach of the north's jet artillery is, after all, long-range, and they live with it, with the fact that there are risks, but at the same time there is no hot phase of war, and also, of course, that there are countries that have been in conflicts for a long time, which of course there were different and border incidents and other things, but they still try to live and live as if this does not happen, but or as if it does not, let's say , does not interfere, but...' this is a question of the intensity of the conflict, one thing is that this conflict of such intensity , as we had in 2017-18, it is a different matter now, of course, mr. oleksandr, thank you very much, oleksandr mosienko, the director of the center for wax and legal studies was with us, this is the end of our one, and we are approaching a moment of silence , we'll be back tue at 10:10 and you stay with us and honor the memory

of ukrainians who died from russian aggression in a minute. well, next will be our colleagues from radio svoboda. let's observe a moment of silence in memory of ukrainian soldiers and peaceful citizens of ukraine who died in