[000:00:00;00] once again, ms. grerasumyuk, a native of 1 +1, heads it, but again questions arise, and who is the regulator, so to be honest, on a level, in fact, i might partially agree with victoria about what is happening in our country such a serious enough state monopoly on the media, but here i would more correctly say that for sure. because we have a state broadcaster, a public broadcaster, which at the time of the previous convocation received a sufficiently serious independence, and thank god, preserved it, and if you look at the results of the research of the institute of mass information, then this is the most balanced share in the single marathon, i.e. is it possible to submit materials in a balanced way, you can, well, but if you are not dependent on the authorities, that is why it is a big challenge, we

as a parliament have now taken a step forward: by adopting a law on media in accordance with european standards, but now there is a question about its implementation, and this is a huge question, because in fact, if you analyze what should be and how it is implemented, then of course there are more questions than answers, and here a movement in a positive direction is possible only from two , let's say, directions, the first is really in the process of monitoring the compliance of our media space with the standards prevailing in the european union, and we are actually integrating into this space, and we will be forced to answer a very large number of questions from our international partners, already about what has to be a much more balanced and independent information policy, ah, it already sounds in the reports of the european commission, well, and the second is

the profession... the association of journalists, but actually it is about why the people who are totally represented in the single marathon are now which worked not even there on the inter or plus, but very often just on the media channels of medvedchuk's empire, well, to be honest, for me the question would arise, in principle, whether to consider this as journalism, and whether independent associations of journalists, in particular, should react, to fight for raising the ethics and prestige of journalistic work practice, so that it does not look like, you know, how it very often happens , just a beautiful stand, excuse me, under the microphone, and, regardless of gender, regardless of the channel, so there is still a lot of work, the only the marathon showed everyone very clearly the challenges that exist now , well, we will be forced to work with it, it is very unfortunate that , unfortunately, even analyzing the budget, we understand that the situation here is rather not going to be corrected,

but, let's say, complicated. that is, the strengthening of those negative trends that have existed so far. thank you, mr. kostyantyn, both victoria and yaroslav talk about the fact that these channels are related to the oligarchs in ukraine, and these groups that participate in this single telethon, we know under what slogans zelensky came to power, we know with with what fanfare the law on deolarkhization was adopted, we we know that dopan. on may 22, there should have been a register of those who are called oligarchs in ukraine, there is no such thing, the war is going on, they said, after the war they will do it, this register, and zelsky even slandered the fact that there are practically no oligarchs left in ukraine , an absolutely logical question arises here: uah 2 billion, which next year will go to this single telethon, should it

be perceived as a subsidy to these groups, which, well, in this situation, usually support the office of the president and zelsky, or are we talking about the appearance new oligarchs in ukraine, who will not be in these registers, even when these registers will be compiled already after our victory, well , you know, two such, two such points that i would like to emphasize, we recently, somewhere a month ago, we opened the verpini canteen, where free of charge, 300-350 people, every day, people receive hot lunches, we made together with the mayor of the city, with benefactors, in spanish, this is such a contribution to help

the development of the city, but at first there was a television then we removed him from there, you know why because people asked us, they don't perceive that today , it's the same... the same sentences, as if from different tv channels, every day, every hour, and people today ask for a newspaper, that's how not it's strange, they ask to print a newspaper, provide a newspaper, a paper newspaper, yes, the people there are old, maybe this is such a specific generation, but there is no trust, well... what has changed, yes, but if you look deeper, what did we have , independent television, did we

not know which channel, who owned it, and, through which prism we should perceive this or that information, i do not perceive, very joyfully, and the future, together with the new law on the media, because at... we do not create a certain basis at the state level for the growth of an independent fourth branch of government, which there should be journalists, we do not have independent journalists, they receive money in the form of salaries, it does not always happen transparently and not always... their fortunes and their property, they correspond to their taxes that they pay, and we actually have such a basis for growth

independent journalists, journalism, and as a consequence, the rebuilding of independent communications with society, all this is gone. therefore, i fully share the opinions of my colleagues in this discussion that today we have a certain bias towards the government, there is a monopoly by the government, the office of the president, on communication with society through means, the media, but, well, the same. the problem existed even before the war, but it was not the office of the president, but certain business groups, so i am sure that we need to work in this

direction and find compromises, that kind of the law that was supposed to drive the oligarchs away from the communication of all these things, and from the media, the law that was passed before the war, well, it received a lot of substantive criticism, because we express the position that this very law will lead to the fact that there will be a full influence with authorities on all media, and in manual mode they will decide who is an oligarch and who is not an oligarch and who will be recorded as bad businessmen. and there will be no one, and the influence will be 100% from the office of the president on all tv channels, but the war came and

a single telethon was born, the consequences we we see it today, people don’t want to see why, because they don’t trust it, i gave you our food in irpin as an example, that ’s why we need to work and we need to work, in the direction of building a normal journalistic community, because what yermak said about telegram channels, well, it seems that danilov said that the anonymity of telegram channels is the main problem, but telegram channels are also, mr. konstantin, the basis of the current media policy of the president's office, because they collect telegram channels at meetings of managers and editors , let's say yes, and they say that this is also the media, we are them, i am with you, i agree with you, but still , the issue of anonymity, certain media or communication systems with society, well,

it also raises many questions, because whose opinion it is reported who exactly is behind this anonymous person, well, the same, it is impossible in the future , that is... on the one hand, we do not understand who is saying this, on the other hand, we need to understand that there is a war, and we like some sayings or slogans. must have authors, and society itself already gives an assessment to these authors, and when authors no, but there are certain anonymous people who can be in the president's office, can be in the kremlin , can be anywhere, we need to work with this, but still, we need to create a journalistic community and names that can be

trusted and provide opportunities people to have a discussion with society and give their opinions, that is, there are two questions here, this is the very system of communication from journalists to society, and the other question is journalistic ethics and rules, the lives of these people, and we also need to work with this, because we everywhere we understand that everyone knows surnames in journalism are customers, we know their surnames, who pays for it, so we also need to work with this, we worked with the declarations of officials, deputies, well, in my opinion, we also need to work with the declarations of journalists as well, i understood what you think that the most important problem in the country is the lack of declarations by journalists and the journalist should be the first to answer, if

you want, i can answer for myself, that is, i am not afraid to declare my income, they are all in the tax inspectorate and there are no questions at least not, the main problem with us is something else, during the discussion you and i touched on the problems of journalism, yaroslav yurchyshyn, who was engaged in anti-corruption activities, when the bill was passed and the anti-corruptionists were forced to speak, then somehow the corruptionists disappeared from the field of view, well, yes , it turned out that way, and the anti-corruptionists had to explain, that is, i am asking you about whether we will not have a single oligarch in the form of the office of the president of ukraine, yermak, the chairman or president zelensky, you tell me, well in principle, it is necessary to work as journalists, it is necessary to do.

so that they are equally accountable to society, there must be a balance in power, you understand, when we have, unfortunately , today, a completely usurped system in three branches of government, people see, at least have hope, that the fourth branch will be independent , but when we see that there is no independence here either, the question arises that it is necessary to work with all the branches. i agree with you, ms. viktoria, regarding the anonymity of telegrams, well, to be honest, i was surprised by the statement of the secretary of the national security service of ukraine danilov, because now they suddenly realized that the telegram channel, which belongs to a former russian or a russian, actually poses a big problem for the security of ukraine, and it suddenly turns out that those telegram channel managers who went to the president's office to meet with the curators are coppers, that they are doing something wrong, that they still need to separate, what do you say about

this? i will allow myself, all the same, serhiy , to return a little to the previous one, because i believe that attempts to monopolize the information space, they were made in general the authorities were still very active before the full-scale invasion of '22, and the law on de-oligarchization, which you already mentioned, it was one of the tools, in fact, there was no fight in that law against monopolies, with very many...' things , what needed to be done there, to strengthen the independence of the antimonopoly committee and similar things, but there was a direct hint , that is, if you don't want to be an oligarch, give your zmi, sell your zmi, that's what this law was about, that's why his venetian commission criticized very seriously, and there the definition of what the media is was more than the definition of everything that could be related to some oligarchic politics, so let's fix this moment, then a full-scale invasion begins, channels that

are not under the control of the government are turned off the air, and all the rest of the tv channels simply merge into a marathon , which, let's be frank, well, it is censored, that is, it is directly managed with certain people there, at least, before it was from the ministry of culture and no one came to it, how it all happens, unfortunately, even public broadcasting to the involvement, to the creation of which i had a part in, it is also, unfortunately, managed... reports , because it also depends on budgeting and they understand very well, they simply will not be given money if they do not act in accordance with this position, yes, that is, the positions should be agreed. guests, to agree on topics, well, for all that there is censorship, that is why it is very important to show that it was such a deliberate policy of the authorities to monopolize the information space, what did it lead to, serhiy, but it just seems to me that it leads to the killing of television in ukraine,

because people, when they don't have information, or they realize they're being lied to and they don't trust, what they do is they go to social media, and that's...' they went to social media, they went to youtube and they they are watching us, i hope, now, for example, on youtube, and many others, by the way, and channels and author's youtube channels, you see how they are growing today, youtube is growing by crazy dumps, this simply indicates that there is distrust in traditional television, went here, but it refers to messengers, to social networks and telegram, that is, yes, by the way, facebook does not crash, although everyone said that there facebook disappeared, now tik-tock appeared, no, we see, it does not crash, but telegram is really number one, there is a whole complex here problems related to telegram, you are absolutely right, i do not believe that the russians are the same, i do not believe that the fsb does not control this messenger, because recently there was very interesting information

about the fact that, in general, telegram channels of small nations russia, which would not agree with the central policy, were turned off, were blocked, actually in the telegram, which in principle proves. the influence of the fsb on everything that they are uncomfortable with. telegram is truly anonymous, that is, you can share any information and absolutely not be responsible for it. i want to tell you that you can order virtually any information there, as well as on different tv channels on different telegram channels. and they pay for it, understanding that it's anonymity, because of cryptocurrencies, because of wallets that are almost impossible to trace there, does it pose a danger, of course, does it, we have to be... known, first of all, anyone there reads, in fact, russian telegram channels, and from there , by the way, there is a very serious influence on the temporarily occupied territory, the country, today, accordingly, very diverse

propaganda is spread there, yes, it works there here is this moment of anonymity, which we have already started to talk about, but what is important and what we have not said yet, and let's be honest, some of these telegram channels are also the ukrainian authorities today, because what is the basis of telegram, every media, it has to hold on to something television depends on the picture, yes on some kind of entertaining content, telegram depends on the promptness and relevance of news, how can you get current news, well, we understand that the telegram channel cannot simply find out how a rocket flies, people watch to follow , in general, they fly, planes took off, they generally fly on the territory of ukraine, there were rocket launches. who has this information? this information is available to the village authorities, law enforcement agencies, which should actually have this private information information, to use it purely for themselves, but it is precisely under these state authorities, law enforcement agencies , that telegram channels have actually been created, which

, due to this, receive exclusive operational information, and accordingly, of course, this is how the loyalty of these telegram channels to authorities, direct cooperation with the authorities and things like that, here is the telegram phenomenon in ukraine, in ukraine, which today depends on operational news, presents real extremely serious threats, and this is how they cynically used it to promote their telegram channels, from there they actually left and appeared, therefore, in fact, this is also another tool for the authorities, and it should not be hidden, we have to take a short break, we will return to the studio, literally in a few minutes. do not switch, problems with the frontal joints limit movement, it is unpleasant and painful. strengthen them with the help of longit joints, these are bags with collagen and vitamin

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the espresso tv channel holds the leadership in the top ukrainian informational tv channels. greetings to all viewers of espresso, it's time to learn about the most important thing of the moment. according to the measurement data, the viewers choose the ukrainian view from espresso, an informational marathon is going on in the channel's atera, we are working for you. thank you ukrainians for your trust. espresso works. for you, the song at the eurovision caused a great sensation and even if, well, if you don't pay attention to the story from eurovision, the song resonated so that we entered the billboard charts. on the eve of the regional operation of the united forces, ukrainian fighters used the bayraktar reconnaissance and strike unmanned complex for the first time. is there a restaurant or a shop at the shelter, is that normal? yes,

there are rooms with a dual purpose in the fund of protective structures. they can simultaneously be a shelter and be used for another purpose. but if this place is on the shelter map, you can hide there during an alarm. stay in everyone's right to safety. friends, this is we are working live, today we have three people's deputies as guests, and these guests are, of course, online, they are victoria syumar, yaroslav yurchyshyn and kostyantyn bondarev, we are talking about the most current affairs, i can't help but ask you about today's events, because today the security service of ukraine brought charges against iryna farion regarding her statements to the russian-speaking military. in the evening

, information appeared that iryna farion had been fired from the position of a teacher at the lviv polytechnic, oksen lisovyi, the minister of education, has already written about this on his page, yesterday students protested against iryna faryon, i want us , my dear guests, to briefly respond to this event for one and a half minutes each, so that over the last few we've seen just a lot of media activity for taftology on social networks, in the media, some for, some against, whether it's fair or unfair about farion, and how to take it and the fact that the scandal that accompanied her and the actions of the sbu and the lviv polytechnic, mr. yaroslav, we will start with you, well , we have law enforcement officers to investigate. in fact, all the components of this case and, to be honest, any political comments in this regard will probably rather politicize

the process, i am more concerned about the situation, not the actual parasitization of the topic, the actual use of the state language, as it should be used, in the end, we can hardly to ask, it is simply ethical to ask the question in which language say the people who are defending you and me now, if they are engaged in education in the language issue, it is clearly not because of mutual images, i am more concerned that despite - the advice, ms. iryna not only publicly enlightened, ah, mm, a student who is in the occupied territory, who supports her views and thanked her for the work she is doing, and in fact then tried to justify the fact that she actually burned

, endangered life and health this person, so i would still, again traditionally tried to remove any politicization, especially of cultural and linguistic issues, this is mostly from lukavy, this mostly leads to a completely different result than we would like, in very good legislation, again, in many ways thanks to the previous parliament and thank god in in this parliament, this trend continues regarding the state language, there are a lot of people who now, especially in times of aggression, voluntarily switch and practice the state language even at the household level, so did the students have the right to go out and protest, when they believe that the actions of the teacher, the university, actually cause damage to the image of the university, definitely yes, whether there were grounds for dismissal, if not, i think

that this decision will be appealed, under any circumstances. that it will be challenged, thank you, mr. yaroslav, mr. konstantin, well, you know, from the point of view of ms. farion's ethical behavior, she cannot withstand any criticism, because we know , we all have seen that the language issue always arises before elections and is exploited to destabilize society to divide society, and today during war, to publicly raise this topic and raise it in the direction of what language our defenders communicate in, well, this is madness, the evaluation of the activity, ms. farion, should give the law enforcement officers a legal evaluation, i am sure they will, we know that there is a reaction, accordingly, we

will see the evaluation that concerns... her, whether there is suspension or dismissal, the person who appointed her to this job decides, and accordingly the evaluation can also be given by the court, if there is an appeal accordingly, i cannot comment on whether he was fired correctly or no, the right to protest, students and all citizens, in what form, this is also a question, today, military time, there is a question with meetings, but young people raised this question, and i believe that it is true, we do not have much time left on the air, ms. victoria , you know, when the bill on the english language was initiated, by the way, about the fact that civil servants should all know english, by the way, i share this opinion, i told this to my husband, he studied

german, he says, well, what the hell , you can go to the front without english. so really, the key here, it really was contempt for the defenders of ukraine, we have no right to this, today, you know, we are under threat of losing ukrainian statehood, and the statesman is the one who thinks today about how to keep ukrainian statehood, and i, not how to split ukrainian society, that is what i am fighting for today i was confused, unity is a huge value , and i just thank those people who are switching to the ukrainian language today, and among my acquaintances... well, among my acquaintances, there are a lot of such people who do it from patriotic positions. ukrainians today understood who their eternal enemy is, it is them understand every day under shelling, in the east of the country, under all these airstrikes and air bombs, and this realization comes , i think that this is the best propaganda for the ukrainian language, which today is carried out by our ukrainian history itself, in which we

live in such a bright time , that's why it's not worth adding, you know, to such a topic as disdain for defenders and the growth of society, unity, thank you, thank you, thank you, viktoriya syumar, yaroslav yurchyshyn , kostiantyn bondarev were guests of our program today. thank you for participating in the program, ladies and gentlemen. during the program we conducted a survey, we asked you during the telecast whether ukraine needs a single telethon. so, what do our tv viewers who voted by phone say , 91% no, 9% yes. voting is also ending on youtube now, and i see, 85% think that a single telethon is not needed, 15%, yes, 318 votes already in the second part of the program. friends, i 'm putting an end to this, it was the verdict program, it was hosted by serhii ordenko, i wish you all good health, take care of yourself and your relatives,

goodbye. greetings to all who are from espresso, it's time to learn about the most important events at the moment and i'll start with this one. a 68-year-old man was killed as a result of a russian attack on the karabal district of kherson, and a 54-year-old woman was wounded, reported the head of the regional military administration oleksandr prokudin. with a blow, the occupiers damaged a local gas station. according to preliminary data, the gas station has not worked for a long time. such a whistle, we all sat down here, then we ran for