[000:00:00;00] in this war, eternal memory and thanks to them for their work, further byrdik, let's watch together, good evening, we are from ukraine, glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health, from now every day on weekdays there are two verdicts. hour format from 8 to 10 p.m., we will have two parts of the program, we are now starting the first program, today we are talking about ukraine, the world, war and victory, about everything that interests you today, our dear tv viewers, today in the program, is it enough planets for two that decided xijin ping taiden continued the meeting, the price

ceiling does not work, why. eu sanctions do not stop russia? homework from the usa. what reforms should ukraine implement in exchange for aid? we will talk about this and other things for the next hour with our guests, political scientist volodymyr tsibulek and journalists tetyana vysotska and roman tsimbalyuk. however, before starting our conversation, let's watch a video of how the fighters of the defense forces. ukraine is shot down by russian drones, this is a video released by the units of the southern and western air commands, let's see

there is, burning, burning, burning and burning, fuck you, beauty. friends, for those who are currently watching us live and on our youtube and facebook platforms, today we are conducting a survey and we are asking you whether you are satisfied with the dialogue between the government and society during the war, yes no, two options for answers, on youtube , you can write your comment under this video if you have your own opinion, and those who watch us during the program can call

the numbers that answer yes and no, respectively. if you are satisfied with the dialogue of the authorities with society during the war, call 0800-211-381, not 0800-211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. and we are in touch with our correspondent tatiana vysotska from strasbourg, she works in the council of europe and other european institutions. tatyana i congratulate you and i'm glad to see you on the air. i congratulate sergey, i am also glad to see you on the air and it was nice to watch the video of the work of our military, our military. yes, it was a wonderful job, indeed, and we thank our armed forces ukraine and the defense forces, for defending us from the russian martyrs and, in general, from the russian occupiers.

yesterday, volodymyr zelenskyi, during a meeting with african journalists, said that ukraine has data that russia wants to foment a war between the balkan countries, i am quoting zelenskyi: pay attention to the balkans, believe me, we are getting information, russia has a long the plan, the middle east, the second distraction, will be the balkans, at least if the partners do nothing now, then there will be another such explosion and again not some new history, there has been a crisis in their relations for a long time, so russia will invest in making one balkan country what it is today... but with another , zelenskyi said, and zelenskyi warned about russia's intention to destabilize the situation in moldova, let's say, in europe, he will listen to such warnings about russia's possible transfer of the war to the territory of western and eastern europe, respectively, how europeans react to

these warnings and to the possible deployment of hostilities on their territory; in the balkans in the european union and in european capitals, brussels and strasbourg, today, after i learned about zelenskyi's statement, i had the opportunity to talk with several european officials, i also talked with colleagues, journalists, and they all agree that from the point of view from the point of view of the european union, at the moment in the relations between serbia and kosovo, namely these states would be at the center of the conflict if it unfolded in the balkans, in the relations between serbia and kosovo there is a period of de-escalation, that is, the european union currently does not expect that that war may break out in the balkans in the near future, and the following points are cited as arguments: firstly, serbia as a state is not ready to fight with nato, because it is clear that if a war against kosovo starts, nato will side with kosovo,

as a precedent for this, and serbia is neither financially nor militarily capable of waging a long war in kosovo, at the moment, if we compare this situation with the middle east, where, for example, hamas is supported against israel by such a powerful state as iran , supported by some arabic states, then, for example, only russia will support serbia in the war with kosovo, and it does not have enough strength even not to start losing in ukraine, that is, this is the first argument and the second argument is that serbia has something to lose, it is, firstly, the place among the normal civilized states of europe, which it currently occupies, and secondly, it is the prospects of european membership. as we know, serbia applied for eu membership in 2010 and negotiations have been going on since 2014, and in fact, if serbia starts any military actions in kosovo, it is clear that it should never be a member of the european union, and

this must also be taken into account, and the european union actually keeps the situation in the balkans under control, and this is evidenced, by the way, by the fact that this week it became known that before the big summit of the european council in december, which is scheduled for december 14-15 and will be attended by the leaders of all the members of the european union. on december 13, there will also be a big summit, the western balkans, the european union, to which the leaders of all six balkan states are to come, including serbia and kosovo, that is, the european union is trying to attract all these states into its orbit and keeps the situation under control, so let's hope that there will be no war in europe in the near future, a second war, except for the war, unfortunately, in ukraine. on that november 15, in san francisco, on the sidelines of the asia-pacific economic cooperation summit , biden and xi jinping met, a lot was said about this meeting , and they announced this meeting, and they talked a lot in ukraine, especially about this meeting,

because they said a lot from china depends on during the russian -ukrainian war, which is affecting putin as well, not much was said about ukraine at this meeting, and mainly, biden and xi jinping apparently agreed on global cooperation between the two countries, on the restoration of this dialogue , because this dialogue was lost, sidzinpil has not been in the united states of america since 2017, in six years a lot has changed, and the terrain, relations around the world, what is said in europe about this meeting, because it is clear that when met biden and xijin pinen, then, analysts conclude that they are talking about how to divide the spheres of influence in the world, in this situation, with the division of these spheres of influence, what

place is left for europe, and just today in europe about china and the relations of the european union and china were discussed both in the european parliament and in the european commission, so, for example, the european parliament held a meeting of the committee on foreign affairs today, at which the draft resolution on the relations of the european union was voted and approved and china and the list of recommendations given by the european parliament to the european council regarding the development of these relations with china, and actually the main idea of ​​the resolution is that the european union should reduce economic dependence on relations with china and should increase its defense potential, and very the european deputy, the pole radoslav sikorskyi, who represents the largest political group in the european parliament, the european people's party, aptly stated that the eu has two

red lines, two red lines for china, the first - not to arm russia and secondly - not to attack taiwan, that is, this is how the european parliament is trying to force the european council and the european commission... china not to support the russian federation in its war of aggression in ukraine. the president of the european commission, ursela funderlajen, spoke the same way about china today. at the european union-china conference in berlin, she actually outlined the entire spectrum of relations between the european union and china, and she actually stated that relations with china are a determining factor for the economic prosperity and security of the european union, because china is one of the largest trading partners of the european union, but nevertheless, she emphasized that china, despite being a permanent member of the un security council, does not distance itself does not distance itself from russia's aggressive war, and

what should the european union do about it, ursula fondern asked herself. she stated that it is necessary to interact with beijing so that its support for russia remains as much as possible limited but exactly how the european union will influence china with this goal, ursela fonteren did not specify. let's hope that is possible in the 12th package of sanctions of the european union against russia, which is currently in place. china will make a sound in some way, and you don't remember the story of how the european union and european countries tried to tame russia, when vladimir putin was at all meetings, at all summits and talked about the fact that it is better to tame this russian bear than to suffer from it. and we will buy gas and oil from them, and products, let's open more doors to russian as opposed to russia to europe, and

then it turned out that behind those doors grew a monster called vladimir putin or there racism, and in this way racism is now starting to walk the world, won't it be the same with china? unfortunately, it is quite possible that this is how it is going at the moment, because, for example, according to the estimates of the same ursela fonder last year, 2022, trade between the european union and china amounted to 2.5 billion euros per day, that is, the european union depends on economically, he cannot to abandon it, he cannot introduce harsh sanctions, because it will affect the entire eu economy, and for example, a very good example is the sanctions against chinese technology companies, which the european commission is trying to kill, and then takes a step back itself, for example, when it was preparing 11 -th package of sanctions against russia, it was in the summer of this year, six of china's largest technology companies were supposed to be included in this package, and already, when

they were actually already included in the document, four companies were deleted from it, leaving only two, and there was hope that these four companies will still be included in the next 12th package of sanctions, but from what is already heard in backroom conversations regarding the contents of this package, again, these four large companies that supply russia with microchips and electronics and other goods , which allow russia... to use them in the production of weapons, that these companies will most likely not be included in the new package of sanctions. these are the warnings of the european union, as they do not want to lose china as an economic partner. well, about the next package of sanctions against russia, this is the 12th package, ambassadors the members of the european union should gather for their meeting tomorrow and discuss. there are 120 individuals and legal entities in this list, and in addition, there are separate sectoral ee... sanctions aimed at strengthening the upper limit

of oil prices, countering the circumvention of european union sanctions, i understand that in this list, again, there are no the largest russian company rosatom, which builds nuclear power plants all over the world, in principle, if sanctions were introduced against rosatom, then the lion's share of foreign earnings russia i simply would not receive it, because we know that they are building a nuclear power plant in turkey and in iran, that is, they are building these nuclear power plants all over the world, and why does the european union not want to act so harshly with the russian federation, and why this window in order for putin, after all, to climb into the european union with his hands or feet, or with turkish tankers, or tankers from the united arab emirates, or indian tankers. tankers, why the european union

will not hurt russia so that they do not have enough money to create new missiles and finance the russian army? because the european union doesn't want to hurt itself, because the european union depends on the russian rosatom, because the european union has nuclear plants that run on russian fuel, and because there is a huge russian lobby in europe that is working on... , financially, we all recently heard about the large amount of money being spent, for example, even on the purchase of western journalists, so that they would write articles in favor of the russian federation, thus through lobbying russia is working in europe in order to reduce the speed of restructuring of the european economy in order to be less dependent on russia, and this is actually stated in the european parliament resolution adopted, the draft resolution of the european parliament approved today against china, that the european union should reduce dependence on china, but in what way

and in what terms, of course, this is not what we are talking about, so we can only hope that common sense in europe... maybe these same economic interests and russian lobbyists, to things, tatiana, about common sense, because today there was information that transporters blocked the border in slovakia, the union of road transporters of slovakia blocked the border crossing of upper german, from the slovak side, and by this they want to express their support to their polish colleagues. polish carriers also block ukrainian carriers, and the european commission has already announced that it may punish the poles for blocking the border with ukraine . the european commission emphasized that the polish authorities, in accordance with the legislation of the european the union is obliged to ensure the free movement of ukrainian trucks at border crossings, the fact that this is happening means that the position or attitude towards ukrainians is beginning to change in europe, because we

saw how in 2022 these countries actively helped ukrainians, ukraine and took care what is happening on the russian... ukrainian front, and now it turns out that we have been shown a border beyond which our carriers can not easily enter, yes, in fact, just the agreement on road transport between ukraine and the european union, was signed in june 2022 at the beginning of the full-scale russian aggression, and it was this agreement that allowed ukrainian carriers to transport goods, bring goods to the european union, both bilaterally and in transit, and this year, in the spring, without any permits this agreement has been extended until june 2024, and all eu states must comply with this agreement, because when it was extended, all eu states agreed to it, but of course we see that both

poland and slovakia have their own internal economic situation, as at first the farmers defeated their governments when they blocked the export of ukrainian grain, the transporters decided to do the same now, and it is obvious that not without the fact that russia and the same russian lobby played a role in this, so now everyone the eu states are starting to think more pragmatically, because the war has dragged on, at first, when the war just started, everyone thought that it was about a year, maybe two, now everyone sees that the war is dragging on for longer, and they are already starting to win back their economic interests, what in fact, it does not correspond to the policy of good neighborliness and support for ukraine, which protects the entire european union with its blood, its people, its soldiers in the war with russia, but yes, you are right, sergey, the position of our neighbors is changing a little.

thank you tetiana for the inclusion, it was tetiana vysotska, our journalist in strasbourg, she works in institutions and is our own correspondent. friends, we are working live on tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on youtube and on facebook, be sure to like this video, and also subscribe to our pages on social networks, and in particular on the youtube and facebook platforms and take part in our vote, today we ask you about whether you are satisfied with the dialogue between the government and society under wartime, yes, no, it is quite simple to choose from the options, and the third option is to write a comment under this video , of course, write, we are interested in knowing your opinion, and those who are watching us now, on tv, on tv, you can call by number 0800-211-381, if you are satisfied with the dialogue

between the authorities and society, and if not, 0800-21-382, call, these calls to these numbers are free, further in... we have a political expert, a people's deputy, on the phone of ukraine of the fourth convocation, volodymyr tsibulko. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast, many , many, glory to the heroes, we expected a lot from the meeting between xi jinping and biden, or rather biden and xi jinping, this meeting has ended, we know that biden characterized his meeting with everyone as constructive and productive, noting that the leaders reached agreements, including the restoration of military ties and joint efforts in the fight against drugs, they also talked about ukraine, and in this case ...' what biden said, biden said about what they

would like, so that china does not supply russia with weapons, does not arm russia, and the ministry of foreign affairs of the people's republic of china already after the end of the negotiations and after what biden said said that their policy towards ukraine is consistent and that it will not change, well, it is meant that they are for peace and for everyone to find understanding, what do you think, behind the scenes of what we saw, was it about the fact that xi jinping should convince putin to withdraw the troops from ukraine, or at least end the war and move towards a conditional, at least a peace, well, you have to understand for china's dependence on the united states, the greater this dependence is, the more actively china will try to put pressure on russia, because in general , the flow of finances is

as follows: the negative trade balance of the united states with china is 300 or 350 billion dollars, that is, china receives 350 billion from trade with the usa, then it trades with russia, and well, the negative balance of china, trade with russia is, in my opinion, 30 or 35 million dollars, that is , russia receives from china 30-35 billion dollars, which it can easily spend on weapons, and everything else, well, and the strangest thing is that in fact the support, well, the negative balance in trade, plus the purchase of goods critical for russia, that is , hydrocarbons, is actually a subsidy to russia and russia’s aggression, so it is only worth mentioning that

without the will of beijing, no neither iran nor north korea is likely to disarm anything the russian federation, so china is cunning here, but now, in my opinion, the situation has matured, when china's dependence on the united states is becoming too acute. first of all, i want to remind you that the united states, joseph biden, ordered to limit access to microcircuits and chips on the territory of china, with a restriction on the supply of chips, the chinese industry began to decline, of course, that china, through china certain chips enter the territory of russia and russia hundred produces its own weapons, but this hit the bottom line on

chinese industry and most importantly, what with china against the background of the collapse of these construction pyramids, which in many provinces of china were the basis of their economy, and these pyramids began to collapse and cause enormous damage to the chinese economy, accordingly, now some american investors are beginning to undermine themselves and withdraw funds from america and not just funds, withdraw production . for example, the same apple, well iphone , which they already produce in india, in my opinion, 15% of their production, and now in india, vietnam is starting to massively relocate other production from china, and in china they understand this, and if they don't stop it, the tendency to slow down the chinese economy will start, become... massive, it will throw hundreds of young people onto the streets,

especially such, well, this proshorok industrial, industrial biorobots, people under the age of 35 years, among them mass unemployment, er, which potentially makes an explosive street, explosive protests, and china, well for china, any street protests are always expensive, tian-meni in memory. beijing's communist government was too engrained. by the way, as it were there, biden and xi jinping did not praise each other, but biden did not resist even after negotiations with the chinese leader, calling him a dictator again, and in beijing criticized such a statement, because they wanted to present it as a victory for the chinese leader and chinese diplomacy. let's look at this extracurricular debate. yes, he is a dictator in the sense that he rules a communist country whose form of government is completely different from ours.

such statements are extremely incorrect and without... responsible political manipulations, which china strongly opposes stands out it must be emphasized that there will always be those who will try to sow discord and damage sino-american relations, but their efforts will not succeed. here is biden, he, he always characterizes the leaders of other countries quite accurately, do you remember when he was asked if he considered the murderer of vladimir putin, it was ... just in april 2021, he said yes, i think putin murderer, do you consider him a dictator, xi jinping, yes, he is a dictator, i met him, but he is a dictator, does this have any effect on you at the desire of xi jinping, at his proposal to the president, the united states of america to take responsibility

for all humanity, as he said, that is, in fact, xi jinping suggested to biden to share: the world and whether the spheres of influence of the world and thus take responsibility for humanity and whether among it is is there a place for putin, does he look like moscow against the background of two elephants? the fact is that putin's dependence on china is becoming more and more impressive, and when putin tries to build a political triangle between beijing, washington, moscow, it causes washington and beijing are in big trouble, because apart from nuclear weapons , in principle, putin does not have any trump cards, especially since the russian economy is 1/10th that of the chinese economy and one, perhaps, 15th that of the american economy, but the bottom line is otherwise,

the point is that sish is consciously building a dictatorial field. why does everyone work mainly with dictatorships, although, let's recall that during the decade of one belt and one road, orban appeared, for example, from europe, there were two leaders there, this is uchich the president serbia and orban, well, orban has long been considered a european misunderstanding, well , it is obvious that the leader of hungary is pulled around by his family. peoples, because the peoples closest to the hungarians are, well, the khanty and the mantsi are twin brothers, we must remind, so, for the record , we can say that in the soviet union , the khnimansi autonomous district was very often called the khokhlomansi district, that is, to put it bluntly, but neighboring with the ukrainians, we will have to

either one way or the other, regardless of the dictatorship. it seems to me that china is in such a state that it can be called the chinese government anyway, and china will flow around, but it will smile and , er, hold on to the economic case itself, because in the event of a collapse of the economy, hundreds of millions of chinese will be on the streets, hundreds of millions, which means that the communist party is completely failing, its entire doctrine on building up the internal consumption, we saw what kind of terror china introduced during covid, and i also want to remind you that biden dealt with xi very gently, because, for example, trump actually called, well, called on the world to hang

all responsibility for covid on china and to demand compensation, i want to remind you that such a trumpist, vivek ramaswamy, who participates in debates, candidates, republicans, he repeats trump's thesis that china should pay humanity for covid, so with this covid stamp, it seems to me, that xi must behave very, very carefully and not irritate the civilized world, because following chinese, or rather american technologies and american companies leaving china, european technologies may also turn away from china, in particular, its german and french mechanical engineering, well, everything else there, relatively speaking, if both france and germany