[000:00:00;00] and what results for ukraine, what do you think, i think that it is not enough, because this meeting is generally historic, because it is a restoration of trust between the leaders of two camps, the democratic camp and the camp of personalist regimes, they came so close to such a limit beyond which it could just be a hot war with the use of nuclear weapons , that it was necessary to agree on the rules, on the principles of competition, and in order for them to ... the spiral of this confrontation, which unfolded, a face-to-face meeting was necessary, so and so, and so yakrazinpin said before the trip that he felt a responsibility to the whole world, it meant that he realizes that the world is stavolary and china is the other country, not russia, but china is the other country that will set the agenda together with the united states , and that is why it is necessary to agree, that is why this meeting is extremely

important in terms of the fact that they have moved away from the edge, let's say, the abyss, that humanity will not be dragged into a great third world war, that they have started talking, that this is the beginning of the restoration of trust, undoubtedly, big topics could not be discussed, such as the ukrainian-russian war, could only define positions, and the parties could say they agree, they do not agree, because at the first meeting, when you, you had communication channels cut off, when there was mistrust, the confrontation grew, and here you restored this trust, at the first meeting you can't... you can't decide, and even when you make friends, you get to know each other, and then, when you've already spent some time there with your friends, you check some questions there , you can decide something more serious, so no the question of nuclear non-proliferation, non-use of nuclear weapons, non -proliferation and non-proliferation of nuclear weapons was raised, unfortunately, at this meeting, i expected that there would still be at this

meeting, even a hint of it, so that this is a general framework that will protect us, all of humanity and ukraine, including from the use of nuclear weapons, because russia has a second nuclear potential and it constantly threatens us, but you see, it was not heard, although the day before what i saw in the open press, department directors met, ie there was an agreement between the directors of the departments of the united states and china that are responsible for the non -proliferation of nuclear weapons, consultations, it seems, on november 6th took place and discussions began, this is after... the visit was being prepared, i understood that when wangyi came to the united states , and there were separate agreements to talk about national strategies for the south china sea, there about some other problems, and then a dialogue was started, but you see, you were not at the summit, this issue, this problem was not brought up, but

i think that the restoration of trust and the restoration of these direct contacts, first of all, it will reduce conflict and provide an opportunity for the next meetings, where the issues of nuclear disarmament there, and the russian-ukrainian war and non-proliferation, non-escalation will already be essentially discussed the war between israel and hamas, because iran, as we know, had a plan there to scale this war, to draw the united states through israel into this war, i hope that this is at the next stage, the next meeting will still be, we things we will talk about nuclear aspect, there is really very interesting news there. and from the united states, but returning for the time being to the russian-ukrainian war, and those moments that, as experts expected, will be talked about, that washington will try to pressure china so that it, in turn, pressures the dprk not to supply russia with ammunition , and again, not the participation of china, not the help of russia , could some progress be achieved here, if you say that it was more about such a globalist, and the importance of this meeting,

but could we talk about the dprk and are there any promotion, i think they said, but there is no promotion, let's be honest, because the statement from the representative of the ministry of foreign affairs of china, just saying that china has not changed its position, it means that the united states has indicated its position, said that it they are worried about the possibility of maintaining russia's potential from china, but china said that , firstly, it does not admit that it is helping, and secondly, it said, it officially said, that the position has not changed on the conflict, the russian-ukrainian conflict, this means that no understanding was reached, but i think the united states' position and caveats in china understood, they will be more cautious and , but they will continue indirect actions, i think, see why i say indirect actions, china takes such a pro-moscow neutral

, i call the position, and helps financially, technologically, with spare parts . no one said that china is directly involved in the conflict, adding fuel to the fire, as china once said, why? because china has taken such a position in the international arena that it is a peacemaker and it has to act within the framework of the role it has given itself, and this is important because there is a competition between two camps, i mean, democratic and personalist regimes , for the countries of the global south, and if china will directly help one of the parties to the conflict, then the countries of the global south from... that everything that china said, that it is not true, that he still stands on the side of one of the parties, he is not a mediator, not a peacemaker, therefore china will not directly help there through korea, belarus, iran, but continue in this way, increase trade, increasing trade, it

helps financially, therefore that we see that bilateral trade is negative, and china does not like trade imbalance very much, it even trades with the united states, the united states has a negative balance in bilateral trade, and so with all, mostly with all countries, this is the industrial base , which is the supplier, and she in fact, it always works in the plus, but here is some kind of strange thing, it means that with russia they work in the minus, this means within the framework of chinese philosophy that they indirectly finance russia in this way, there is 30 billion, it seems, a negative balance, they buy 30 billion more goods, and this is financial support, and through iran we also see technological support, because the same shaheeds, they would not have flown without chinese technologies, ugh, and they get to our front, and speaking in general, about the purpose of these the talks between biden and xi jinping, and whether it was achieved and did it coincide in beijing and washington?

i think there were different approaches, but both countries had an awareness that the world depends, the fate of the world and the agenda of the 21st century, they will form together, and despite the fact that they are ideologically different, the regimes, which biden said that we don't always agree, we look at certain things differently, but there is an awareness that humanity depends on how they will cooperate, whether there will be a confrontational scenario, and then all humanity will be in different geographic points are also in the confrontation, will it be a cooperative scenario, and cooperation will provide an opportunity to balance these wars, the same near east, there is the russian-ukrainian war, prevent new wars there, africa, for example, or the balkans to flare up to new points of tension, that's all it will depend on how the united states and china come to an agreement, and they have realized this and are trying, let's say, to take a step towards each other. well, one way or another, we all

understand that the main such top topic is what both countries were interested in taiwan, and he assured everyone that taiwan would sooner or later be part of china, even warned the united states against arming the peninsula, and how events might develop here in your opinion and , in general, whether the events surrounding taiwan will affect all other geopolitical decisions regarding other conflicts that you listed? undoubtedly for china, taiwan is a red line and the task of china is the revival of nations, which they draw as a red line in their strategies, that by 2049, they should economically become the number one economy one, and due to the economic potential to realize one's political ambitions in the world, including without having to fight , in this way, well, taiwan would simply become an after-the-fact, a part, a part of china, but this plan fails, why, because the process of

globalization is disrupted, which enabled china to fulfill its role as a world factory, for a world factory, what is needed are highly liquid sales markets, and it so happened that the highly liquid sales markets are the united states and europe, and this is the euro-atlantic alliance, and this is the second camp. and if you don't have trade between camps, you are moving from globalization to regionalization, in regionalization you do not trade much, which means that you will not reach 2049, but maybe 2079, or maybe never, if conflict increases, then there will be no trade, so we need to stop conflicts and china is interested in this, because its strategy is to gain political weight in the world through the economy, including, and it also needs to end conflicts, it is interested in ending conflicts in taiwan as well, so to speak, i think that we have agreed on what will be the status quo is preserved, they will not break the status quo, in which the united states recognizes taiwan as part of china, and china does not annex taiwan by armed means, if they previously

said there six months ago that all means, including military, could be used, and that alarmed the american elites, now china has prepared well for negotiations and answered immediately in xi jinping's speech to two questions that worried the united states: first, we are not trying to undermine the hegemony of the united states, and for at the expense of sitting in their place, well , something like that. and secondly, we are not going to seize taiwan by military means, that is, first he removed all american reservations , and then he said that taiwan will still be chinese, well, in chinese, on the one hand he said, reassured, and on the other hand he said, as if you did not conduct politics there , anyway, sooner or later, taiwan will become part of china, in fact, one of the greatest achievements of this meeting is called the restoration of military communication channels, which were cut off by the chinese a year after pelosi went to taiwan, what does that mean and

what risks does it currently eliminate? look, you have to look to understand what risks it eliminates, you have to look in general at the geopolitical picture that developed after moscow defied the west, defying the west, it began to undermine the security system that the united states created as a result of the second world war. this is the financial system, economic, trade system, security system in which we peacefully existed. and had globalization as a phenomenon in which all traded, china produced, sold somewhere on the markets, and so all other countries traded, not fought, russia broke this order, but the new order has not yet, has not formed, it is formed based on the results of major wars, such as the second world war, and now we we are in a period of turbulence, i call it, when rules and laws do not apply, when the law of force applies, which russia complained about, she said: we are strong, we have nuclear weapons, we will dictate

the agenda, as it will be, these are our historical territories, we return them, generally nato challenged us, well, these people put forward their slogans, well, that is, they act at their own discretion , not disregarding treaties, international law, all these acts, there are the helsinki acts, which they signed there in 1977, that's all previously, the agreements that were signed, that is, in the period of turbulence, now anything could happen, when the rules do not apply, the agreements do not apply, therefore it is extremely important for the two leaders who understood and realized after the g20 in bali that the world has become multipolar, as russia said, yes, to undermine the hegemony of the united states, and bipolar, it's just that the role of russia has been replaced by china, and now, precisely in this turbulent or turbulent period, it is they who should agree, take a step toward each other, to at least agree on the rules that will apply

during the period. it is clear that it is impossible to come to an agreement, because ideologically different systems, here a democratic system, there a communist system, here a personal regime, here a democracy, which means that decisions are made together in the congress, and therefore there will be contradictions, but we need rules for a time of turbulence so that there is no war, ugh, actually about the difference in the regimes that you mentioned, today you can remember that it was a spoonful of anger after the official statements from beijing and washington. as for the outcome of the election, joe biden, when asked by a reporter if he would continue to call xijin pinyan a dictator, said, let's see. i mean he is a dictator in the sense that he is running a communist country based on a form of government completely different from ours, no

happened already after the results of the meeting, will they not be spoiled in the way you think, because the ministry of foreign affairs of china has already reacted, of course such words, certainly such passages towards the first persons of china are unacceptable, in china it is considered disrespectful, but here it is necessary look at the context, they wanted to catch biden, as far as i'm concerned, they wanted to catch biden and force him into a dead end, you know, did you say that xi jinping was a dictator before and to him after... this meeting, when bilateral relations were established, they say, so you continue to believe have you changed your opinion, how he as a politician should have dealt with this situation, he simply referred to the objective fact that the system is different and there is no other management in this system, as a personalist, that is, the personnel is formed by the vertical, the vertical of power, and so the way he came out , answered the journalist's question, so you have to look at the context, well , certainly china, i think it didn't like it, but let's go back to the aspect of nuclear weapons that you mentioned. and i saw such an interesting moment today that

while xi and biden were meeting, the committee of the chamber representatives of the us armed forces, they listened, listened to the report of the bipartisan commission on the strategic position of the us, and there, among other things, it was about active nuclear capacity building by russia and china, and the conclusions of the report are that, although the risk of nuclear confrontation remains low, but it has grown and in some places russia's tactical nuclear weapons capabilities are... 10 to one compared to the united states, and here are the conclusions of the commission, this report, how it will affect washington's position, in that included in the questions. war, because we have repeatedly said that with such peculiar red lines, washington outlines for itself precisely the nuclear potential of russia, which it can use? i think that these are two different issues, of different scales, one from my point of view, well, from my point of view, this is a regional war, for the united states, a russian-ukrainian war, regional with

a global context, because the confrontation is between democracy and these personal camp countries, but this is a regional war. rather, not the proliferation of nuclear weapons, the use nuclear weapons, this is a global, global issue that needs to be resolved with global players, the three global players today are the united states, russia, and china, and the united states has always wanted a treaty that would limit the possibility of using, using, or threatening nuclear weapons there with nuclear weapons precisely between these three countries, for today, look at... russia is going through a reverse process, that is, russia is withdrawing from treaties there about tests, there, about restrictions, about some, with china, on the contrary, there is an understanding that this issue must be resolved positively , because well we are responsible for humanity, and under what conditions it will develop, whether we

will start a war and humanity will end its history there. i think that through china they will still pull russia in and there will be some kind of agreement between the three, but it will be... later, it will be after what stages of negotiations, and still the united states will achieve its goal to, still pull and what treaties do russia and china have in this area, and in the states do they consider china as a country that can put pressure on russia precisely in matters of nuclear weapons? i think so, because objectively the circumstances turned out to be such that russia became china's proxy. she did it with her own hands in such a way that she weakened it, she moved herself from the pedestal of the second power in the world, both in terms of respect and strength, and in terms of nuclear, nuclear weapons, and in fact transferred these powers to china, because

the economy is completely dependent , politics and security, is completely dependent on china , china does not even need to do anything, russia is driving itself into a dead end and thus...' in this way it weakens itself and gives china more opportunities to make some demands on russia look at the facts, why i draw such conclusions, the facts, how russia reacted when cities were renamed, russian cities, by a chinese agency there from resources, it seems that chinese names were renamed, in moscow they did not comment on this at all, but these are lands, which russia took from china under two treaties after full-scale wars, and china is actually carrying out this, you know, return, creeping return of its, its territories, and it is interested in russia weakening further in the war, so china does not actively participate there,

let's say, does not take russia's side, but expresses the opinion that it is necessary to sit down at the negotiating table, make peace, but it is beneficial for china to be weakened. russia, then china will simply take back what was once taken from her when china was weakened, and russia was strengthened and took part of the far east to baikal there, china will simply return everything to itself without war. mr. ruslan, thank you very much for an interesting conversation, ruslan osypenko, a diplomat and international expert, was a guest of our studio today, thank you, let's put an end to that, see you, as always, on svobodalai air, already tomorrow, let's hang in there. i flew, flew, and the cough stopped me, cough is a symptom of a respiratory disease, so we treat it respiratoryly, we do inhalation, lord's hyal inhalation remedy for cough, lord's hyal is a direct way to remove spin. the story of new york

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, there are rooms with a dual purpose in the fund of protective structures, they can be both a shelter and be used for another purpose, but if this place is on the map of shelters, you can hide there during an alarm. stay in everyone's right to safety. greetings, this week russian propagandists constantly complained about fate and people, well, they complained in their characteristic style, and why, well , most likely, you know, well, the weather is bad, cold, dark, the days are short, well, that is, something covered their depression somehow , and the first one, you know, such a series of regrets about life... margarita simenyan started literally at the beginning of the week. we are dehumanizing you and

us. now you know that there is a big order in the western media, every day they are blabbing these articles about dehumanization, расчеловечивание, dedicated to the расчеловечивания of those who surround putin , first of all, those whom they call the mouthpieces of putin's propaganda, that's definitely me and you. and here it is written including. that i am so upset now about the deaths in the gas sector, and with what caustic jokes i always accompanied the news about the deaths of civilians in ukraine, never and never, never, never, absolutely to this order for dehumanization, which i am observing now everywhere, well, it’s a mystery, of course, how can you depopulate a poisonous reptile, but something else is interesting here, here it’s interesting, why suddenly a propagandist , who used to be very proud of her own

black mouth, suddenly became excited, and here , here, here, how, how, is it me? well, she says that she never, never said anything like that about ukraine, and why all of a sudden, i don't really have an answer, but i think that in what... time, the course of events will show us something like that, bye what was it, why did it happen, well, but the fact is the fact, you see, she is now trying to rebuild from her already of the formed image of such, and somehow, literally show that no, i am, literally, no matter what, i am such a humanist, i am for everything good against everything bad, and this is suddenly unexpected, well, another one who also complains, well, it is a kiva, because the court gave him... a sentence with confiscation, and of course the russian propagandists did not bypass it, but here it is funny how a russian

propagandist says so, that the impression is that he himself would plant a kiva, in principle, he would what? ilya kiva, so the lviv court, why lviv, now he will tell us, the day before, the lviv court sentenced him in absentia to 14 years in prison with confiscation of property, which means that they are sewing on kiev state politics, i can understand this, calls for a seizure of power, well, it is also possible to assume that what is meant is, suddenly, the use of communist symbols, he will need public kay yesterday you became witnesses when, in fact, in absentia, he did not provide me with the opportunity to defend himself, or anything, despite everything, they took him, condemned him, condemned him, it is indicative that, god forbid , it should not be smooth sailing for anyone, well, what can i say, i could would come to ukraine, he would be tried not in absentia, but in person and sit down, well, what is the problem

anyway, well, that's it. kiva is like a kiva, another one like that, a person who suddenly started complaining, or rather, not suddenly, he has been complaining about it for a long time, but this week, with new strength, solovyov began to look for the enemies of the people inside the country and actively complain about them. well, the most important thing is that what is happening inside the country , for a long time we managed to raise amazing citizens, directly, for example, a traitor or not, that's... the first such opinion, maybe it's all for nothing, and now it's a res cut, chips fly, or as it happens in russia, on the other hand , i understand, yes, even among the kremlin, in my group of graduates, there were a couple who were ignored from the very beginning, thanks to their demands and the like ,

burn that fifth column with a red-hot iron, here. relatives, neighbors, friends, classmates, guys are dying, i won’t tell you in which trenches and how they live, but they are simply completely cut off from the world there, well, these eyes pitied a participant in the attack on ukraine, they continued, he told how not they understand, or even there they humiliate her, his daughter, in russian. people's friendship university and this is also a separate story, which is, you know, literally dramatic for this killer? i am sure that you will listen and understand me correctly, i have repeatedly talked with my older daughter, she entered the first year of the russian academy of sciences, which means that i constantly caught in her

stories the relationships and general... politics in rudeen about svo, about everything, what is happening in the country now, when he tells me that i try not to show what i have me, that i am the daughter of a military man who participates, they don't sing hymns there, even at the official part of the students' reception, because they can call a black person a negro, well , somewhere if it is proven, they can expel them from the institute, such is the cry of the soul. the cry of the soul, they don’t sing the anthem in a choir, directly in pairs, this is of course grief, well, i understand it, the last point, especially his so so so so so so so, how can it not be called so so so everything directly, and of course, how could rudolphych , not to sympathize, sympathized, my heart

is torn to pieces by this, i would go to this fucking ruden, all of us are fucked... to the front of the teachers there, who in general support this structure there now , the bastards of navalny were brought up, he also studied there, god forbid the bastards, someone will do something about this girl, damn it expel will plant, friendship of peoples, that he does not like the friendship of peoples very much, and directly the main point of claims, and well... against the background of all this, interesting conversations suddenly began from the deep people, it turns out that the deep people watched russian tv and decided that well, everyone wins right away, well this is actually what russian propagandists are really trying to tell, they have been telling for several months that the front will collapse there, and