[000:00:00;00] he already has to choose from what falls under his military accounting specialty, there may be some difficulties immediately in the sense that a person, well, for example, he can be, well, a doctor, for example, according to the military accounting specialty , has to work as a doctor, he wants to work as a sniper, well, for example, then certain difficulties may arise here, i do not know yet how it is planned to arrange it, but these are such questions that will arise, because if a person has a certain military registration vehicle specialty, then how can he go to work or on the contrary, a person is a sniper and wants to work as a doctor, that is, there will be certain difficulties, but look, if he has, for example , a military accounting specialty, it was last obtained there, let's say, after completing military service a long time ago, and during this time a person, for example, has mastered a completely different field, it means to change, to change the question here, a person chooses, or, for example, will the state choose,

how should it be? the best option, the best option, well, you know, here and there, any extreme, it will be very bad, and although as you know, a person can choose what he thinks is more appropriate for him, and if he has certain indicators for this, well , skills, or health, for example, well, you want to be a marine , well, just a question, i’m ready in the morning, the marines run in the morning, well, they run a little, not a little , at least 10 km, i’m ready to run 10 km every morning, no, i’m not ready, my leg hurts, well, what kind of marine are you, better be, for example, there, there where, well, tankers, for example, are running, well, relatively speaking, it is necessary to drive, because, but, first of all, that a person gets the right to choose independently, and not to be sent anywhere, we, we understand that when the mobilization is going on now, of course, excuse me here, yes, it is taken into account

military - accounting specifically. but here you can't choose, especially during the war, and when you voluntarily go to work, which is military service, it's also work, of course you have to choose where and how you want to work and, although on the other hand again after all, you must, when signing the contract, understand that the contract must contain a clause stating that you have it happens for a day or three days that you can be transferred from one city to another city, if there is a military need for this... or a need for service, here a person does not have the right to take, here he has to agree to it, immediately when such a need arises , necessity, i don’t mean that i can transfer him from one brigade to another to another brigade, for example, it was decided that the brigade will be relocated, well, for example, there from the city nn to the city e, n+, and that’s it, and you have to go and you have no right as long as you have

a contract there for three, five or whatever sign up for years, you have to...' you have to do that, that's it, so here's a plus to the fact that you have such a concept as a working day, well, that's how it's taken into account that there are 8 hours a day, but excuse the clothes, you have something else to work and a lot of things that are different from ordinary civilian work, that is why the military, thanks to this load, thanks to this condition, they have, this is very important, to receive a salary, well, higher than the average. no one talks about sky-high things, although experts, if they are these experts they work in the army, well, there is also a person there, which, well, engineers there are just , well, special forces, everything else, then of course there must be a very high salary in order to want such people, but the main thing is that, uh, a person received decent

financial support, that's a lot. it is very important, and the requirements for these people should also be higher than in civilian work , that is, if even you work, well, two words, so that we do not take a lot of time, if you even look at the generals of nato countries, well, there are people who have such physical training, that he is, yes, he may already be almost 60 years old, but he is good for his age, he can smoke there. to run and squeeze from the floor, we almost don't have such a thing anymore, but do you remember these jokes, why some, well, you don't want to be there, well, okay, they can't squeeze from the floor, because they can't press against it, no, well we approach it, we leave it, that is, it should be like this, it should be such a load, it should be dignified, and it should be an honor, the most important thing is that it is a person,

the military should be treated with respect, as in well, in nato countries, there in israel, we will say in the united states, remember how they greet the military in britain in the same way, many of them immediately give, they say, or some word, there is honor or thank you, that is, here. this should be the relationship, and military personnel should understand that they must meet certain certain qualities, so sooner or later we will of course switch to contract service, but for the time being the term is five years, i think we will have time, for this we need a lot of people what to change, i think that we will have time and closing circle, returning to the beginning, yes, it is very important that a person can choose whom he wants to serve, where he wants to serve, and at the same time remember that at any moment he can be...' transferred, well, there to another place, what is it that i want to serve there, well, for example, in kyiv, and especially there , for example, in obolon, because i don’t know much about what is there in another place, no, it won’t be like that, that is, it is necessary here, too, people, who will join the contract service, it is necessary, i think that everyone

already understands this, and i will make a small remark, if you allow for protection, the actual abilities, in particular the physical of our military, because in fact the post-war has demonstrated that even among the personnel personnel of the ukrainian military, in fact, there are not only people... and not only will run the cross country, but there are a lot of examples of those who heroically defend by sacrificing sometimes the most expensive, at the same time it shows beauty, strength, both physical and moral, let 's now join oleg leontyev, a lawyer in the field of military legislation, to our conversation and talk with him, mr. oleg, we congratulate you, good day, let's let's talk about this new concept proposed by the ministry of defense. ah, what do the lawyers say, ah, actually, about this, what changes in the legislation does it envisage, if we are really going to switch to recruiting after all, and refuse, more, i first, yes, i would first like to quote

from a well-known work , yaroslav hasyk, about the adventures of brao warrior shveik, and it sounds like this, quotes, the war was going on until the general staff intervened, in this case. until the ministry of defense intervenes, i do not know what they are proposing or how understand, i mean all those phrases about recruiting, contract, contract army and so on, the history of mankind knows several forms, the staffing of the army, first of all, this is a militia militia uniform, like in switzerland, well, i won’t tell you, we know all this, good people... in the united states of america, it is a professional army, well, i will talk about it a little later, and military service is general, like in israel, that is, everyone serves there, there are crooked,

blind, disabled, cripples, autistics, downs, everyone serves, everyone can fulfill their duties for the defense of the homeland, well, we actually have a general military duty, but it is combined, combined ... the same, that is, for both conscription and voluntary recruitment, i would like to say the following, you understand, we, our army , and our military, they are historically very, well, very powerful and strong, i repeat, a powerful weapon , this is known both historically, and a lot is known and described in the literature, here on the roads of europe, roman lazurko, at one time a member, divisional officer of the ukrainian of the galician, or rather,

galician division, he said the following, our soldier will never get used to blind, stubborn german obedience, without any questions or the slightest resistance. our soldier must understand his role, and when he grasps it, there is no better soldier than him. to what i'm saying, to the fact that obviously we should go to a full voluntary form, the recruitment of the army, for this, we need to eliminate such gateways as we see now corruption gateways, such as territorial centers of recruitment, what is happening now, what is happening now is the following, president issued a decree, the verkhovna rada pro' the verkhovna rada met, approved,

approved, approved, this, draft, then mobilization is announced, tsk are notified, collected, announced, filled, brigades, well , all this can be reduced, shortened and done very simply, again returning to the experience of the first army. of the united states of america, they have such an independent civilian organization, sss, selective. service system, this is an agency that actually deals with the accounting of the military obligation. so, after it will be necessary to the professional army, er, add, add mobilization a resource, uh, this agency of the sss randomly announces, sends out to various, well, i mean, registered,

military-bound, notices that they need to appear at recruiting centers, recruiting centers - this is actually six brigades, which are actually engaged in receiving those conscripts, checking their state of health, fitness for military service, and then they send them directly to. to those military units where servicemen are needed, all this is done without any intervention of persons, please explain what is the difference then, it's like you described this process, and it is very similar to the same subpoena from the subpoena from the picking centers, what is the difference, and the difference is that it is whoever keeps records of the military is obliged, according to the law, the territorial recruitment center

does not keep records, it is written in the law, manages the records, it is so beautifully written, manages the records, but who does this record, in the united states of america this accounting is carried out, is actually carried out this ssss organization, everyone, every person , male or female, voluntarily, from the age of 18, when he turned 18, he is obliged to volunteer, how about volunteering for this service and reporting about his data, he is enrolled there and in fact they record, there are no more contacts with him, no one cares if he is blind, crooked, if there is someone sick or in some other way, he is all recorded there, then, when there is a need for mobilization, i repeat, this sss organization randomly sends out

message, to persons from 20 to 25 years old, who will they choose there, and they come, those mobilization brigades come, and there they already have 10 days to declare themselves, about their problems, for example, they believe, they want to undergo alternative service, or they say , that they have some health problems, or they do not agree on certain issues, they have 10 days to appeal, that is, from the moment they received this random message from a non-specific, i mean, a military officer does not go there with a summons, does not hand it to him informed in a way convenient for him, which he mulled when registering, he is informed that he must arrive, everything, from this time until the moment of the right, the end of the right to appeal his 10, did not appeal those 10 days, everything, must required to appear and continue to act, well, in accordance with the orders there, that is to say, he arrives at

the mobilization brigades, there he is given a military medical examination, by the way, very interestingly, a military medical examination is nowhere in the world, the medical commission nowhere in not the world are passed, or rather, examinations are not carried out with unspecialized vlcs, as we do, that is, some doctors, it is not clear where they are recruited from, who have never in their life, let’s say where... districts, they are in some districts, we don’t have narrow specialists, there are some, well, psychiatrists, endocrinologists there, good ones, well, less than that , so, and directly in those mobilization brigades, the military themselves check the state of health of those who are mobilized, well , the difference, the difference is basically understood, now, let's make it possible to react , sir oleksiyya, did you hear why... a little explanation, this is not quite, not quite correct

, maybe the person had something else in mind, the military hospital commission, this is the military hospital commission, there it is, it is conducted, directly in hospitals, well it is conducted, well, in, well, in kyiv, for example, there are hospitals, there are polyclinics , military, and it happens there, there is a person who comes, he registers for the military, he himself can, if he serves, he can write a report, ask me to... navka, there is a bad feeling, even before the person was called, he comes to a hospital, to a polyclinic, to the ministry of internal affairs, or the ministry of defense. and there are doctors who treat these people directly, there is, well, there is definitely a pediatrician, oh, a pediatrician, my goodness , a therapist, excuse me, a therapist, a neurologist , a cardiologist, a psychologist, that is, there, that, well, i, well, i

i went through a lot, well, a few times, this one, these vlcs were sent, they are sent to the vlc, they pass, there, well, at least 10 doctors, and you go, of course, you get a ticket, and you go to these doctors, you go on your own. they are for you and every doctor prescribes you with well, what is there, well, akuliz, for example, he is there checking the servants there, that is, how exactly, right away, what are the complaints there or what, if necessary, they do a more in-depth study there, and that's why when they say that the head of the military hospital commission is writing something there for some money, well and releases a person from service, well, you know, well, many who are in the army, it’s a little surprising, it’s not decided by the head of the military doctor of the military hospital commission, there are 10 doctors and each one writes his conclusions, if you are there, for example, well, lord, believes that you, well, you have something like that, well, you for example, you don't hear anything, and then he writes there, and then the military hospital commission , when it makes a decision about suitability or unfitness, it writes that

the head of the military hospital simply signed here, he can warn the doctors in advance that he will come to them today citizen petrenko, then, why is this, why is it that it can be directly the head of the military hospital, we say, we are talking about these violations, criminal criminal violations that occur, certain doctors can agree among themselves, or someone may to agree with one doctor and he gives him a diagnosis and that he is very sick, he does not have such a disease, and to blame the head of the military hospital commission for this is also not... not very correct, a person receives, he does not know, he has, right now, let's take a moment, sit with him, he receives every day such and such a kip, people who have passed through vika, and he looks at what are there are certain orders, where it is written that such and such and such the disease gets number so-and-so, there is so-and-so, so-and-so, and she that a person cannot or can

be limited, that is, they do not accept a decision, certain diseases are prescribed there, a person comes, opens it, here is the head of the military, let’s imagine, we are just sitting, here you are the head of the military hospital commission, you were brought such a package of documents by a person about an article such an item on there on i don’t know, on the ground, well, on surgery, in such and such an article and she and a person can no longer be stupid, for example, there is no ending in it , well, for example, this is a written article, that is, it is written in full, just as the article is written in the criminal code, so there registered articles and all, the person cannot and he simply signs that according to the surgeon's opinion the person cannot work, then the head of the military doctor commission comes, what is it? god, god, there are crimes, abuses, of course, but well, let's not simplify, it's not the head of the military hospital commission who makes the decision, he just writes the protocol according to the indicators that we passed on, well, he works here, after all let's return to the key, to the beginning of our conversation,

actually, we will evaluate now, the concept which is proposed by the ministry of defense in personnel military policy, also with ihor chelenko. the head of the analysis and strategy center, mr. ihor, we congratulate you, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, glory, obviously you are already familiar with what this concept is, at least what, what is now in public, what has been made public ministry of defense, please give your assessment, is this five-year plan really, will it work, will it be effective, is it sufficient and what does it include? yes, maybe based on experience. already of other countries, like you in order to ours did the audience understand? well, so far it is not a plan, it is indeed, it is a concept until the 28th year, but this framework document, it creates the foundation for further changes, and it outlines where the ministry

of defense will move further, in terms of personnel policy, because we know that this concept actually prescribes the performance of the most important function, with which there is a problem today, this is the provision of 100% of the professional human resources of the needs of the defense forces of ukraine, therefore, in principle, of course, we understand that its further implementation will directly depend on how long the current war will last, and when we will be able to move into peacetime in order to more vigorously implement these or other changes that are written in the concept, but again, here you are ... here now we discussed, for example, the topic of recruiting, the united states of america, which was just discussed, is a perfect example of a system that has worked just fine. recruiting, because well, in different nato countries the topic of recruiting is precisely the topic, it fluctuates there in terms of percentage, in new members, for example,

take the same finland there, partially there is recruiting, partly there is prizof, but again, the same united states, which today just now, let me remind you according to the global firepower rating , is the first army in the world, they really are, they have a plan to recruit up to 100,000 in a year , military personnel, where exactly 4/5 should get directly through recruiting, that is, there are specific people who analyze the registers, analyze the lists, they can come accordingly and want citizens to go and continue to serve, according to the american army, because the american army us army is, you know, a real brand today, and what exactly is the difference between which is today in ukraine, which is really a little, well, outdated

, let's put it mildly, and a remnant of the soviet union, a certain activism, because they couldn't structurally reform it, so that's the difference, in that we have everything - there is an emphasis on the number of people who will be involved accordingly, and the issue of their training will be heard at the next stage. how is the mobilization going with us now, yes, conscript, yes through the territorial recruitment centers, let's make it short, if you pass the training sessions accordingly, and go serve where you are sent, and recruiting is a diametrically opposite process, from the point of view that you are already being prepared, until the actual moment of your participation in the armed forces, and here a huge role is played by education, education, which, if we take the grassroots level, then some kind of initial

, basic education must be completed by all, er, yes honey, basic things in relation to military science and , accordingly, skills, but at the same time people who are really further interested in serving just through recruiting system, they can in the future already go for a contract, a contract with the armed forces of ukraine, sign up and so on. a long, long time ago, of course, ukraine took the course for a contract army, but unfortunately, due to russian aggression, these plans were constantly pushed back, but now, based on those scales, we understand that there is no place to push back anymore, because our father's old system , which we have in relation to mobilization , the draft today is clear, it is on pause , but the old system, it is also no longer working, because a person formally can to acquire some skills, but... in fact, when a person is now being tried to demobilize accordingly, well mobilized, and they see

that in reality, according to the documents, the skills that he should have had, in fact, he does not possess them at all, even if he previously something happened there, she does not have there, she cannot even hold a machine gun in her hands, or there in another direction, but at the same time, again, pay attention, right now during the war , the recruitment system... even before the concept of withdrawal of defense appeared, she de facto is already being implemented, partially, as we see, for example, a very cool case of the third assault brigade of the armed forces of ukraine, they are implementing it through three recruiting centers on their own initiative, now people are being encouraged, motivated as much as possible, another powerful case, too, today civil society has created a whole portal where... citizens can see conscripts, where today there is a shortage

of certain specialists in the armed forces of ukraine, and people themselves can apply for it, and the third case, of course, is now announced for the so-called smart mobilization , where the first stage is actually recruiting drone operators, i.e. ukraine in parallel with the announced concept already from a practical point of view. today is trying to implement these innovations without waiting for the end of the war. so, let's go back now, mr. olezh, i would like to finish the topic with you, yes, if we are talking about the medical commission, please finish it, because you did not agree, and what could be the difference, and then we will move on to other advantages, but now it's just, well, mr. igor also singled it out several aspects, i would like our viewers to understand not only the difference in medical commissions, but also others, mr. oleg, please, well, in my visa, i have a remark, a remark to say, i, in general, have served in the army for years, i and the colonel in reserve, that is, what is a military medical commission, how is it passed , i know it very well, but the question is what,

the question is that now, in addition to full-time military medical commissions, a lot of freelance military medical commissions have been created, on the basis of rural dispensaries, i don't know where they get those doctors, you know who, well, who in life have no idea what to do and what to do , how they were given a task, there should be so many, well, there are those called up there who are healthy or further, i ’m poisoning a little, but i want to give an example, for example, how military medical commissions work in the same germany. again, i emphasize that just as in america, just as in germany, the examination of recruits, conscripts, mobilized is carried out by a non-civilian, incomprehensible, full-time freelance military medical commission, and

only doctors, well, brigades, military doctors, in germany, the conscript is closed, roughly speaking, for two... not in the medical center and he is fully checked mr. oleksiy, yes , please, let's go now, yes, i'm not saying what you said, something is wrong, mr. colonel, the matter in the fact that, these are the cases when some domestic doctors are now being added to the military hospital commissions, let's say, it 's because mobilization is needed now, the war is going on, usually, well, you remember, you all the more, so much years in the army, that this, well, before such a full-scale war, even co when there was already a war, but we called the apparatus of the ato or the apparatus of the united forces , only military doctors and only a military commission worked , it was impossible for civilians, well, who is, where did this happen, that's why, you say correctly, but it's simple case, for now, well, we need to recruit a lot of people to the army now, we need to check a lot of people for their suitability for military service in general,

that's why the thing is that right now, it's very not very good, and i'll tell you where you can get those people, we have 136 districts, 136 territorial ones assembly centers, each of them has a guard company, 100 men, that is, 13,600, this is a full-fledged division, or four brigades, you understand, i do not understand what can be guarded in a territorial assembly center, please, the question is in the following, we need, i believe that in this concept , which was drawn and expressed by the ministry of defense , it is still necessary to determine what kind of army they are going to create, militia, voluntary professional, or combined, well, how do we

actually get a combined army now, i i believe that the next moment, recruiting is a contract, it's all a voluntary army, but it cannot be the backbone of the state's defense forces, there must be mobilization, mobilization, and reservists, and these moments should be dealt with, precisely it is necessary to exclude territorial recruitment centers, those moments should be dealt with by special services that have absolutely nothing to do with conscripts, well, with conscripts, and actually, they should deal with the fact that they account for them and oblige them to appear when, well necessary for this, mr. oleg, can you clarify, you say that in parallel with, with the contract, there should of course also be a draft mobilization, you say about this that during the war, during the active phase of the war, or even

after the war ends, we will win. but the contract must exist in parallel with these two forms and then, rightly or wrongly , whether during the war, you are talking about the war, in no case , the draft, you misunderstood, not the draft as we had conscription, but the draft, that in terms of, actually, involvement, mobilization, that's right, yes, mobilization, v including forced, you understand, the most democratic countries in the world, they did not give up on mobilization, because why, because it is clear and it is necessary, and it cannot be otherwise, thank you for that, two words about accounting, if including in the united states of america, and one more moment , it's very sad to watch , it's very sad for every military person to watch, like those videos where, poor people, i feel sorry for those servicemen who