[000:00:00;00] we will run out, we will win, but the contract must exist in parallel with these two forms, and then, rightly or wrongly, whether during the war, you are about the war, in no way, the draft, you have misunderstood, not the draft like what we have there was conscription, and the call was in the plan, actually, involvement, mobilization, that's right, yes, mobilization, including forced, you understand, the most democratic countries , including the united states of america, and one more point, it's very sad to see, every military man is very sorry to look at them video where, poor people, i feel sorry for those military personnel who are chasing those

conscripts. they are caught, something is done with them, they cannot forbid military personnel to do it, they cannot, the army must be completely detached from such moments, it must be done entirely by the police, we have 300,000 police personnel, they can do it, they are obliged to do it to do, except for them, no one else has the right to do it, well, in this way, we get a little bit of, well , some kind of ... such romanticism from military personnel, after all, they are protectors and not some kind of soul catchers, well , in this case, one more very important point that i would like to say in this case, just a minute, sir, it’s a matter of time, thank you, and it concerns everything after all, provision, provision of military personnel, or rather not this , will be a victory, and we will have a million demobilized, what to do with them, how

to release them, you understand, so it will be necessary to release and decide something with them. mr. oleg, this is really, this, this is also an extremely important topic, and we will also talk about it in ours talk on the air, we hope to talk to you about this too. thank you for joining us so far, you have drawn attention to so many problems and important, important issues, oleg liontiv, a lawyer on military issues, thank you for talking, mr. oleksiy, if you want to react, please literally take a minute. regarding the fact that, well, first of all, the police should not be involved in the recruitment of people, there should be no conflict between the ministry of defense and the ministry of internal affairs, these are harrows in any case, what is evil, what is it, it is scary to imagine what if they start, and conflicts are 100% between people who want, who don’t want, well, that’s the way it is, that’s why it’s not necessary, the army is doing it, because this is just the parish, of the armed forces, but with regard to accounting, there are some

difficulties, listen. well, the rada channel, yes, we have an elected council, we have voter lists , we have elections regularly, every one at least once every four years, and there are no problems, there is a register, all people are registered, everyone, everyone knows who is located, all people go, well, who wants to go to the elections and there is a record, well, maybe, if it's difficult in this territorial center, well, let them contact the central election commission, we still have lists and everything will be fine, i just, well, there's no problem, in fact, it's a made-up problem. how to find someone, yes, please, even just an example of elections, there are always, always all the lists, everything is there, territorial elections, district elections, well, please, well, there is no question, let’s cooperate with them together then, and all you will see everything, well, today we are talking, in particular, not about engagement people to the army, in particular, about everyone being able to implement themselves as effectively as possible, simply simply this is a component, of course

we are talking about other things, but this is also a topic, yes, really, to what extent, let’s say this, well, just a moment, well, two years, yes , by and large already in the state of war, and it demonstrated a full-scale war, and it also demonstrated that our recruitment centers were not fully prepared for this, and the real problem was revealed precisely in the fact that a person who joins the army , she can't always to realize one's potential, let's say, yes, at this stage, what are the first steps you can take, how can you cope , well, if we speak in a very simple language, here's how a person comes and says: i, for example, have such an account specialty, but now i have devoted the last 20 years there to another type of activity, and they say, we already have a lot of specialists in this type of activity, but we need those who will be, for example, i don’t know, engineers, but we need to dig, there or to mine a certain territory, that is how normal is it in general, so that simply a person is involved in that unit much

more. specialists are needed, and if you think that a person should be used more correctly and knowledge, then how can this be done? look, we have now... different and diametrically different cases are taking place, because on the one hand, people who are really motivated and today really come to the territorial collection centers, they do not wait for a summons to update their personal credentials, but come and update them themselves that's exactly what they do what are you talking about, they say that this is my specialty today, please write it down so that you have fresh... data, this is exactly the biggest problem today, according to the tsc, because the data until now is really, they are extremely outdated , and very often there are questions not only about those who cannot be temporarily mobilized there, but also

about specific directions and specialties, where to send a person, and here so that a person is sure if he really wants to serve , it's better for her to wait for these summons, but today, actually go to the center in order to update the data, this does not mean that tomorrow they will be thrown to the front or something else, just at a specific territorial assembly center, it will already be there, respectively, when there will be a need to close in one or another specialty, then this person will be contacted, and this is the moment when the person will most likely not receive these summonses to update credentials, and maybe in six months, after a year or, well, i don't know how much the war will go on, then there will already be another summons, to come there already with things for such and such a time

and so on, but again, we must understand that today, precisely because of the lack of fresh information, the first thing is to gather people in general, at least for we are talking about people, you gave the example of the united states, but now this country is not in the phase of an active war, of course, it participates in separate conflicts, but there is no war on its territory, therefore, the refusal of the draft and recruiting in a state of war, is it not will create well, in fact, there will not be a shortage of these people you are talking about, or will there simply be a shortage of those who will fight, look, in your question, there are two points from the concept at once, they are scattered, the refusal of the draft, not one, not once,

in no case am i not trying, i am not trying to cancel the concept, or somehow it, i am not talking about that, i am just saying the logic that, the refusal of the draft will take place already in peacetime, it is already stopped now, because there is a general mobilization, regarding mobilization, we see... there were initiatives regarding the transformation, for example, of the territorial recruitment centers into a kind of analogue of the national security service, now we see that the electronic register of conscripts, called oberig, is already 90% formed , it is still being supplemented with information, because in fact, it is a huge problem that all we only had card files on paper, you know, on the one hand, we are building a state in a smartphone, and on the other hand, what is in the tsk' we only changed the signs a couple of years ago, updating the law, when we renamed them from military personnel, the essence has not changed, but just now thanks to the fact that the corresponding register

of military personnel will be put into normal operation, when today these tsk, they will be forced, they will be modernized now, because there will be an opportunity today to compare data, including with voter registers, see who registered where and how today. by place of residence, all this is today combined, accordingly, and these registers are compared, and thus the tsc will have an opportunity today to really find people who are needed and not drag them, but because it is not a motivated person, on the contrary today it is difficult to find those who are motivated, such people are left today, we have a big shortage , you know, the problem is that hundreds of thousands went to the tsk in the first days of the war, they were weeded out, these people said: well, okay , we will do our own thing, and tsc actually lost them, lost contact with them, and today the most important moment is to really ensure the continued flow of highly motivated people, this is the most important thing, and of course people who today are specialists in

their specialty, and not so as you rightly said, and for miners, for everything to another, when people absolutely, if a person is not engaged in his business, motivation will fall, we understand all this perfectly, of course, of course, of course, we agree with you absolutely, sir. thank you for explaining everything to us in such a somewhat emotional but detailed way, ihor chelenko, the head of the analysis and strategy center was with us, thank you very much, thank you for the conversation. mr. oleksiy, we understand that this is a very multi-layered topic. in fact, here too it is difficult to assess the prospects so briefly in principle, however, let's try to remember again, and even remember in general, which way we have already passed, that is, what positive developments, let's say, ukraine has already succeeded in, if we compare, for example, there with some period before, we have personally observed something since the beginning of the war there since the 14th year, so is there an improvement, yes , what are we, what did we achieve during the war, what is still ahead of us first of all?

well, directly with conscription or directly in the army, what not, i mean in work, for example, with mobilization, with the work of the tsk, yes, the work of military medical commissions, well, you know, that's when they started hostilities, but when a full-scale war began, many people volunteered immediately to participate in the military commissariats, everything was clear there, people, even those who had, well, had a group of disabilities, for example, and and or were of such an age that there were almost almost borderline, everyone involved everyone, everything was normal, after that, the first wave ended, then this problem started, well, no problem, then the mobilization began, because we need more people, we need to replace people so that there is a rotation, and so on further, that is, we are all this we understand, and certain problems have arisen here, well, there are evasions, there are abuses, and so on, and so on, well, wait.

let's, let's somehow, well, flies separately, meatballs separately , has it become such a mass character that we can't mobilize anyone, that we can't involve people, no, it hasn't become like that, these are individual cases, and they don't wear of such a mass character that we, you know, we talk about it with you, about what shortcomings, military hospital military committees, military committees are replaced and so on, as if it is carried by such mass nature and we have nowhere to take people in order to replace or supplement the brigades that are in use, well, this is not true, we have enough people who still, my colleague rightly says, that they still want to serve, but there are certain difficulties here, so something has changed, well, what has changed is that already a lot of people, millions of people, more than a million people have combat experience, people, people have served, i remember how, well, listen, well in... when it started, we

were already in march, well, we were all there, on the 24th already in their units , on the 25th they were already at checkpoints around kyiv, well, we have a kyiv brigade, i remember, in march we were already near kyiv, there were different people there, hospitable, bushy, fierce and so on, and you are in that group that i am there, there were not many people in my group, no one there knew who had what rank. well, especially, there is a group, we went, they stopped there, there were 15 people, we had only four people who, who had been in the ato before that, others, well, more than 10 people, in general, they took up weapons for the first time, and , but they, none of them, they came voluntarily, and eh, about a month later, there , well, let's be honest, there were no such battles there, constantly, only later, at first there were, and then when the enemy left, it was even time for sure, well, let's say this, combat coordination during hostilities, i.e. people, these people very much

asked to understand, show tactical medicine , show stry and so on, i.e., why did i talk about it for so long, now the number of people who have learned, because they were motivated, wanted to learn, such a large number that we have a serious army, we can, well, it is estimated that we need to, we can mobilize up to a million people, that is , we are up to it... and even more of these people, these will be people who will want to learn and will be motivated, that there is a certain number, there is just a statistic that our friends over there in the united states calculated during, well, over the last 200 years, they calculated that during major wars, people who are ready to go over to the side of the enemy, that is, they are demotivated, and well, during major wars, there are in mind, is about 10-15%, in any country, in any war, i.e.

in our country, i think, the percentage is even lower than the statistical average, well, there are such people, well, wait, you know, but take and tell only about these people, about these 10, for example, who do not want to serve, and about those there there are some 10% of those, those criminals there, or doctors or military commissars and forget about the rest there 80-90%, well, we are a little bit like that, well, why can you say. only about the good, but also only the propagandistic , well, somehow, let’s balance it out, and thank you for summarizing our conversation in this way, we would like to thank the defenders of ukraine, who now they defend themselves with their professionalism. ukraine from the russian occupiers and they make it possible to conduct this broadcast there, to talk about such topics, which are actually very sensitive and important for the future of our state. thank you, oleksiy hetman, military and political commentator, participant in the russian-ukrainian war, reserve major, thank you. thank you well, we will move on. in particular, the war is currently ongoing not only in ukraine, but the middle east is also on fire, and

in the near future, as analysts predict, it may also flare up in other parts of the world and all that. may even lead to a more global conflict, and what is ukraine 's role here, as a deterrent to russia's aggressor country, which can help avoid an already global conflict, which will involve not only the countries of europe and the countries of our entire planet, we will talk about this separately later. therefore, the third world war will cost more than supporting ukraine. american senator pete ricketts, a republican, said that the united states and its allies should help ukraine. to stop the war criminal and dictator putin, because in otherwise, it would result in a higher price for the united states. he said this during the press conference of the atlantic council think tank dedicated to the central europe week. he compared putin and hitler, saying that the head of the kremlin tries on the laurels of moscow tsar peter i,

nostalgia for the russian empire, expresses hitler-like theses about germans outside germany, talking about the need for protection. russians outside of russia. if putin succeeds in ukraine and then decides to invade the baltic states, that is there will be a third world war and your son will be fighting in europe. i think that's the message that we have to get to the american people to say, 'look, this is in our best interest.' we are helping ukraine to make sure our boys and girls don't fight another war in europe. we are trying. to avoid yuriy mykhalchyshen, an expert on state security, joins our broadcast, mr. yuriy , congratulations, glory to ukraine, to the heroes, glory, but in fact, nowadays this thesis, which senator rickets speaks about as often as possible, is very important.

to send to our partners, because the attention can now move and is already moving now to the near east, it can migrate further, for example, to some hot spot, but to what extent do you... agree with this thesis, and whether it will be easy to prove, that the support of ukraine can now be one of the guarantees that, for example, the same putin will not take part in further inciting an already more global conflict, you see, the position of the mentioned congressman, the republicans is really very rational, and in fact, it should be noted here that in the american legislature has many politicians who think in a similar way, and this often correlates with the fact that among them there are many... either combatants, or people who have experience of service, including in command positions, in the american armed forces, if i remember correctly, for example, only in the faction of the republican party of the united states of america in congress, there are more than 100 such representatives, but their voice, you know, does not sound as bright and convincing in

the american media as it does votes of potential presidential candidates races from the same republican party of the usa, because politicians with a vivid populist rhetoric about american isolationism, which in principle reject the expediency of any, say, serious interventions, by the american armed forces or the american military support in other regions of the planet, and they call, in order to save money and solve internal problems, to abandon, in particular, long-term support to ukraine and even, as i understand it, that there are calls... and about the expediency of reconsidering participation in the structures of the nato bloc. unfortunately, this can be heard from the leading candidates for the presidency of the united states, who are now starting to compete with each other in the primaries, we have also heard such rhetoric from donald trump, and now the number three republican, in terms of the number of sympathies, is also using such rhetoric, he is of hindu origin vivek

ramaswamy is also spreading, and that's why it's probably seriously very domestic now, including the fight in the us, and that's the common sense position that we just... with you heard from an american congressman, it definitely needs serious replication in europe, in the usa, and even in ukraine, and here, in fact, we should also use the means of parliamentary diplomacy, probably our people's elected officials should also get involved, as people with primary experience of what is happening right now in these minutes on the russian-ukrainian front, and this picture and this experience must also be relayed to the american mass media, not only at the national level, but at the level of individual states to work and deal with individual congressmen and in particular with those groups that are connected with the american military-industrial complex , they have traditionally been and are influential, but today they have such an impression that there are no loud voices in the american political community, and we need to work, and regarding the fact that this thesis is really is justified, then it is no secret that today

the axis of evil in the world has essentially been recreated, if it was once there , we remember, rome, berlin, tokyo, yes, today we can speak, quite consciously and reasonably , about the axis of beijing, moscow , tehran, i i'm sorry, mr. yuri, but now it's fine, but who are these, the axis opposes, yes, where is ukraine's place here, has it already united in the understanding of our western partners, this one. front, for example, ukraine, there, europe, israel, the united states, is this a single front, or has its formation not yet taken place, but the evil eye has already been formed, as you say, in no way, you correctly crystallize this issue , because if anti-democratic, authoritarian countries have long been united, and we see their synchronicity and unity of actions, well, in different planes, starting from the economic support of the russian federation, which is not bothered by western sanctions, because the new chinese market helps them, we see, to the fact that the russian occupiers are using ammunition from north korea on the front of the russian-ukrainian war, which is also provided to them by their new

allies, and so on pyongyang is becoming such a new element of this criminal axis and we see that their consolidation is just making great progress, and at the same time we see that there are completely opposite trends in the nato block, there is hungary that is blocking the expansion of the alliance and has blocked currently, sweden is a nato member . bilateral relations of turkey with the usa. that is, the consolidation of the conditional western camp lags behind the consolidation of the aggressors, and this is a big problem, but ukraine is already at the forefront of one of the fronts of this war, and there is no doubt about it, as i understand it

the american security community, that is, representatives of the american special services, branches and types of the armed forces, large groups of politicians in the congress and the senate understand this , but in general, such a consolidated, let's say , awareness and readiness for action is not yet available, that is, the western world is weaker today, unfortunately , so far by its non-consolidation. mr. yuri, about the fight against this global axis of evil, and whether it is possible to somehow help and prevent a world war, whether it will be discussed, for example, during the meeting in los angeles, joe biden and siding pinya, in the coming days, certainly one of the fronts of the future confrontation is the pacific, and we see how tensions are rising there not only around the island of taiwan, we see the constant aggressive actions of north korea against the south, we see periodic tests of missile forces. korea, armed provocations, aggressive actions of the chinese fleet against the philippines are also being observed, to

the roar of aggressive rhetoric against japan, australia is also very concerned about this, and therefore it is obvious that the subject of the meeting between xi jinping and joseph biden, which will take place in san francisco, the first priority will be the de-escalation of tension at the regional level, i think the first priority will be the resumption of dialogue between the military departments of both states, since the fall of last year, communication between the general staffs of the us armed forces and the people's liberation army of china, which previously and in parallel to the political channels of communication , they always maintained, let's say, a certain level of dialogue and did not allow threatening various incidents, so to speak , in their narrow professional circle, after how did the accumulation of such negative incidents take place, and do you remember how american air defense forces shot down intelligence apparatuses on their territory, such a dialogue was also broken, now first of all it will be about its restoration, that is, the very fact

of this meeting is definitely positive , the issues of other such problematic areas for the usa , the directions of the strategy of containing russia, will definitely be raised, it will probably also be about the russian-ukrainian war, but unfortunately, it will not be the priority topic of the meeting of the two leaders, that is what we have now understand, and if they talk about ukraine, then in what context, for how long? the context of deterrence is, of course, urging the us not to over-actively support the moscow aggressor with arms and ammunition, and we perfectly understand that north korea is not an independent player, it is a chinese proxy force, it arose at one time in 1953 year as the korean counterpart of the lnpr, yes, that is, they are outright separatists, and accordingly, beijing completely controls their foreign policy there, and therefore, let’s say, a refusal from the supply of larger volumes. weapons and ammunition, washington can put forward to beijing in the process of negotiating positions as a prerequisite for further dialogue. of course, it

will help us, but now we can count on something more. obviously we can't in this context. but let's hope that in the conversation about ukraine, it will be about ukraine, without any losses for ukraine itself. thank you mr. yuri. yes, of course, territorial formats of any kind will not be discussed at all in this dialogue. let's hope for that. yuriy mykhalchyshyn, expert on of state security, was with us at this hour, and also with you at this hour was oleksiy gomon. kateryn derkach, thank you for your

trust. see you chevorons approaching victory, and another year when we do not... celebrate, but choose our independence, and another day when they try to deprive us of the right to be ourselves, and another fleeting moment of a terrible war that lasts for centuries, but the whole the world is already convinced that our independence will not be grabbed, drowned, burned, or shot. and the greater our hatred, the stronger our independence, the our victory is closer. we prove independence every day. ukrainian gives freedom. the occupiers are pulling their tails, having heard about ukrainian cotton and cotton. and we

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tea or a hot dish gives warmth from the inside, and calories in winter. they don’t happen, make friends with your neighbors, it’s easier to beat the enemy in a group, and even more so to winter, and most importantly, support armed forces of ukraine, thanks to them we have the opportunity to meet this winter, and as long as we are united, we are not afraid of enemies or cold weather, we hold on to each other, we will overcome winter together, warm country: ukrainian gives freedom. even the letters hide our determination and defiance. who else puts not just a dot over i, but two