[000:00:00;00] won't be able to control in the kremlin, well, for example, some pogroms that they simply won't control, well, it's from the region to wait for this black swan, something so unexpected, well, you know, either yes or no, well, in fact, putin is either dead or not , it's like, guessing on this some slurry, or, guess what, rowing on the river, do you understand? a lot of things that are formulated here and now and to say that there will be some changes in the 25th year, it is quite possible, moreover, i want to say that i

have heard many times, don't ask why i heard it, but not less, people who, well, as my personal experience shows, also have certain properties, i don’t know, some call it malfarism, some call it clairvoyance, some are intuitionists, it doesn’t matter, well, that is, it’s a completely unproven thing, they also say that 24 -th year will be a turning point, in favor of ukraine, in 25 years the war will end, the war, well, you can build politics and build your decisions on this, well, probably not, because first of all, these forecasts and the people who make them , they are not responsible for anything. kyryll budano, in this case, he is an intelligent person at a high level position, he is just working under his leadership, our specialists are engaged in the elimination of russian invaders, so i think that instead of focusing on the fact that putin died or will die, instead of waiting for some

systemic crises and changes in moscow, it is necessary to focus on what we are doing, you understand, and to build our policy in such a way that we do not depend on the fact that it will work or not, and both this and this are important, what i mean is the changes in russia, why can they retaliate against us, that's why under what conditions, when we will go forward, when we will destroy them, we are killing a lot of them now, we must kill them even more. when 2,000 from vladimir putin will not be enough to go to the front, and this is already happening, because they have problems attracting contractors, that is, uh, we have to set the agenda, and look, look, all these forecasts of the malfars and there experts and analysts, they will be in life accordingly,

because in these. stories, you see how with the situation, will putin attack or not, do you remember this discussion before a full-scale invasion, i believed that he would not attack, and well someone will say, you are a bad forecaster, well, i still think that from the point of view of common sense, he should not have done it, but the question is, what if a person occupies a certain position , the president, and the political and military leadership in general, what should it do? beat, it should calculate the situation from the worst to the alternative, well, we've all heard it, prepare for the worst, hope for the best, prepare for the worst, i remember, i even repeated this phrase on your broadcast, that somehow our the minister of foreign affairs, with such, well, such a reproach, at the expense of our western partners , said that they told us to dig trenches,

well, they say, instead of help, but the very experience of waging this bloody, terrible war shows that this advice is actually excellent , it is very cool, when you, digging trenches, mine everything, and when you dig trenches and mine, then the progress is completely different, no one stops in the urals, which are pierced with a gun and do not fly for hundreds of kilometers, well, that is, until what am i, i don't collect, i don't see i will emphasize the meaning here and there. how we started the war, we started, how we started, and it could have been worse, and we all understand the price of this, we live now, and therefore this consideration, what will they have there, it seems to me that in the war, precisely inflicting a military defeat on in a certain direction, and this is a guarantee if we are talking about the fact that the russians, this

fascist regime, will be supported or not, well , everyone understands this very well, it depends on whether it will be put in to a certain extent, in to the extent necessary, long-range weapons, in the necessary number of planes and so on and so on, well, everyone understands that it depends on this, and everyone perfectly understands that there are , you know, now a lot of these comparisons with israel, now the focus of attention has shifted to israel, we need weapons here and there, well, listen, well, in fact, these are such conversations , ala the level, the kitchen, or something like that, because this also concerns... including western journalists, i understand that there, there a new theater of war, and it goes well, because a new war, it is different, well, when someone says that there is not enough money for ukraine, because everything will go to israel

, just look at the area of ​​​​this gas, the gas sector , well, that is, the number of cartridges that are produced in ukraine, if there was something there, then there would not be left not only ... not a single house, not a single person, not a single tunnel would be left with nothing, and this is the same obvious thing, but this is the clip-on thinking of people, and so there is a new war, once and for all everything switched to that, and as everyone writes here , ukraine became uninteresting, why did it become uninteresting to the western press, that's why that, in fact, from the point of view of journalism, nothing is happening, and that’s all, the war is going on, and in principle, russia says that they are preparing for elections, this gurulov, an army general, a member of the russian state duma, says that he has no doubts about

putin's victory, those who do not vote for putin can somehow be destroyed, well, that is, they show the perspective of russia, and said that those who will be against will not just go beyond the borders of russia, but simply from them. you know, serhiy, it is interesting, yes, this one, lieutenant general boyarishnyi, general gurulov, already in this phrase, he immediately laid out everything, why they have it and who is the boss, and that's where he started, and it was proposed to cancel the elections, let's ask one simple question, but who proposed and why a whole lieutenant general... excuse me, it is a shame in the literal sense of the word, to say the name of the person who proposed it, and it was ramzan akhmatovich kadyrov, well, in terms of the fact that it is necessary to destroy the russians, well here in principle, well

these people went further, because i believe that only those russians who crossed should be destroyed the border of ukraine with weapons in their hands, if they want to put it in such a way in their swamps, well, let them do it, but in fact, again... so that, when we analyze the fascist regimes, they are very, very similar to to each other, and when i talk about the fascist nazi russian regime, it is precisely from a political point of view, it is not a strain of this type, you are fascists or you are not fascists, because one people, one state, one führer is the same, it modern russia, they actually emphasize this, the way it works, so, at first, and so, ukraine is an enemy, all neighbors are enemies , then such a massive, mass history of the fight against lgbt begins, that is, you take it, any russian talk shows have 30 seconds, rowan, in short, the fight

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i remind you that we work from 8 p.m. to 10 p.m. watch us, we talk with our guests, with our experts about the most important things about the war, about the world, about our victory, about the front, today in the program, the truth about the future, how the government should communicate with society during the war, agents... who incites enmity within the country and who is responsible for this? dear colleagues, the government of national unity will save ukraine, is it possible to create a parliament without division into monomajority and opposition. we talk about this and other things for the next 45 minutes, today we are visiting. sofia fedina, people's deputy of ukraine, european solidarity faction, mrs. sofia, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. good evening, serhiy, solomiya bobrovska, people's deputy

of ukraine, voice faction, i congratulate you, mrs. solomiya. glory to ukraine, congratulations, glory to the heroes, and oksana savchuk, a non-partisan people's deputy of ukraine, is still to join us, we are waiting for her inclusion. during the program, we conduct a survey, friends, we conduct a survey and ask you about whether you are satisfied with the dialogue of society, the authorities with society during the war. yes, no, please vote for us on youtube. as well as telephone lines, i will remind you of the telephone numbers, if you are satisfied with this dialogue with the authorities, please call 0800 211-381, if ​​not, 0800-2001382, all calls to these numbers are free, please call, we need to know your opinion, well, we want to hear the opinion in the format of a blitz survey from our guests, what would you say, ms. sofia, are

you satisfied with the dialogue between the authorities and society during the war, well, in fact, i don’t think that any dialogue exists at all, there is... with on the one hand, due to uniform morphing, tumbling and putting into the minds of ukrainians some specific information , which in most cases contradicts reality, and on the other hand, dialogue with society also involves dialogue with the opposition, which is completely absent as well, and the worst thing is that it is progressing towards the establishment of a dictator in the ukrainian state. i personally believe that the unity and dialogue and development of the state can be based, first of all, on the basis of the truth, on the basis of openness, on the basis of sincere discussion of those problems that exist and joint efforts, how to solve them. thank you, mrs. sofia, oksana savchuk, non-partisan people's deputy of ukraine, has joined us. ms. oksana, i welcome you and thank you for being

with us today. good evening. we conduct a number of surveys, we ask our guests, we also ask them the same question as our tv viewers, whether you are satisfied with the dialogue between the government and society during the war, what would you say, ms. oksano, if very briefly, because we will be talking about it for the next 45 minutes, well , it is very important that a monologue does not come out, as today, because it is really necessary to have a dialogue, it is very short, because now only a monologue is obtained, and there is no dialogue. thank you, ms. solomiya, what do you think about this? you know, today we will have such a sound of women's solidarity, but do not think that it is about women. solidarity, and not because we are all representatives, not of the monomajority and not of the presidential party, but we certainly have a continuous monologue today, where, unfortunately, neither society nor the opposition, obviously, and i want to remind you, that in fact the opposition can only be political, exclusively, no one is an oppositionist to their state, to our armed forces, and

we are definitely united in these and these issues, but unfortunately, and in these moments, somewhere there are so many obstacles and political ambitions or certain other things, which actually are not quite on our own, and we could cope well, unfortunately, in the event of a huge crisis and a huge attack, an invasion and muscovites, on the northern part of the territory of ukraine, i am very sorry that today we are so fragmented, what actually about our somewhere, unfortunately, i don't want to say failures, but ours. the whole world is commenting on such unpleasant moments today, and it's all the faces of all of us, not just individual politicians who lead the state today. dear ladies, let's talk about how ukrainians receive information about, including the situation at the front, whether this information is enough for you and whether it gives an idea

of ​​the real situation at the front, or is there some kind of military censorship that does not allow us to talk about it and we cannot talk about it... because our enemy can know much more than that is it necessary, or after all, there are some things that the government does not tell us about, although in principle , you are right to say that there is a monologue of the government, and there is no dialogue, that is, for people to speak and because people have opinions and pain, the government with she spoke with them as with adults, and not with people who constantly need to say something there, in order to distract, to not... not to hurt, madam, madam sofia, do you think there are any such questions about which the authorities cannot speak to ukrainians, and that is why the authorities do not speak, but it seems to me that the representatives of the authorities especially the freelance advisers of the president's office, who do not have the right to say or comment on anything at all and do not have the competence to

do so, on the contrary, they say too much, starting with the fact that we have already entered crimea 100-500 times the day before yesterday, we already liberated all territories two weeks ago. concluding with the fact that, for example, the representatives of the authorities are still taking pictures and giving geolocations of certain objects as a result of which they fly by, and there is no punishment or responsibility for them in this regard. in fact, today in ukraine i prefer to observe censorship political rather than military, because too many incompetent irresponsible people comment on military events, comment on the situation at the front, at the same time politicians who do not represent the majority and keep their mouths shut and do not invite to a single marathon, turn off the channels, including yourself you feel the espresso live and the fifth channel was taken off the digital airwaves, and today... attacks on the fifth channel have also begun in the context of additional freelance out-of-hours inspections. we should have military censorship,

because the military, on the contrary, should be helped to beat the enemy, and not to expose certain positions or to reveal information that the enemy can use. in fact, today we have no reason not to talk about the political things that are happening. we see on the example of israel, which in essence... 1948 is in the war, that today they do not have marathons, there is no political censorship, there are no closed sessions of the parliament, unlike in ukraine, when people cannot see what the deputies are doing, that deputies vote and even receive totally distorted information about what is happening in the verkhovna rada, today we can actually build a successful state on the basis of the truth, and the truth is in what is presented... that information is publicly available, unfortunately, which is beneficial only to the authorities, and i will emphasize again, it is

by the dozens contradicts the absolute reality, and the last thing i will say is that our people, unfortunately, on the one hand, still watch the only marathon, although the number of those who trust him is sharply decreasing, but also due to the lack of objective information, people go to social networks, especially anonymous ones, and it's a shame that they take a large share of information from the tv. channels, which are anonymous and, unfortunately, very close to banking channels, they take information from viber channels, they take information from youtube channels of so-called military experts who were at the front, probably the last time when there was a war in afghanistan, i have i mean from the soviet union with afghanistan, and this is a pity, because it is the government that should provide clear and regulated information, systematically highlight what is there, so that people understand, yes, this is where we are fighting. it will be difficult here, you need to concentrate here resource, we need to step up here, help the armed forces, authorities, and deputies, so that we can eliminate certain issues that

will contribute to the development, security and defense of the ukrainian state, unfortunately, no one wants to talk about this today, even in the government offices, perhaps one of the most pressing issues that the government does not talk about, or avoids talking about, is the number of dead in ukraine. volunteers, activists, communities, the book of remembrance, counted the number of dead ukrainian soldiers since the beginning of the great war. this, at least 30,000 people, they say volunteers, they made statistics, and which says that among the dead there are already 24,500 confirmed dead or dead, whose names are from... 15,000 missing, 3,400 wounded, well, of course, we

know that time magazine wrote about that , that on the ukrainian side there were about 1,000 dead, since november 13, the economy has been publishing figures and talking about 70,000 killed and 120,000 wounded, here is this database of the book of memory of those who died for ukraine, this book also has statistics on the daily dead , this is published information in the press, v ukrainian week, so on february 24 , 2022, 203 people died in one day, meaning the defenders of ukraine. march 18 of the same year in 193, february 26 are the most tragic days in 182, march 7 in 138, march 14 in 133, and so on, why. in your opinion, ms. solomia, we do not have more or less accurate figures regarding

the dead, because it is very important for relatives and friends who lost people and their loved ones, and it is also very important for society that society understands what price is given to us , this victory, you know, this question is very it is sensitive, and probably there will be few discussions to find the right... solutions and probably some logic in something. i understand that during the period of martial law the number of dead should not be announced, because it is a very painful thing and actually a figure that we can use in particular and why not and the russian federation, yes, when we hear a lot today about the possibility of frozen situations, possible negotiations, maybe there are some other scenarios, and what is the point of fighting when one of you has died? and that is, it was an infinite number of scenarios which you can play with it and put pressure

on it, and this is a very painful point for every family, so i somehow accept this logic and i do not tolerate and do not accept the numbers given by oon, voz, time, the economist, or any who wears out foreigners, because they mostly have everything, sanitary losses, deaths, and civilians, everything is somehow mixed up in such a heap, and it also seems to me that we cannot reliably say even in mariupol today the final number of both civilians and military, because let's face it, 15,000 of our missing, we have to understand, from the experience of a ten-year war, unfortunately, that there will be a large number of dead people and there will be talk of returning the bodies, which is also what the russians are doing business on, and this is also a very difficult, extremely difficult topic, for ukraine, and this gives such a huge field for various manipulations, i would very much like us to pay more attention to the schemes and methods of returning our

prisoners of war, by the way, today we also do not give much about them, but this, a serious number not only of the defenders of maripol, but also fighters starting from the end of february and until today, therefore, we do not even touch the children and the return of children home to ukraine , how they rename them, how they are buried in boarding schools, how they are completely, well, destroyed, such a total soviet kagibi scheme, destruction, identical... and the ukrainian gene and of the ukrainian nation, because this is actually an act of genocide, what is done to children, so in these very sensitive moments, very painful topics, they are actually quite dual and, i 'm not sure if it's really worth announcing today, this number, in we have a problem with

mobilization, by the way, in particular, those factors which can demotivate, be the basis for such - informational and psychological operations primarily of the russian federation, they can be used , it seems to me that these are very sacred things and this is what ukraine should respect, remember, provide , to pay, it should be social security to families, but, and it should be a huge job, but in general, with the amount, probably, i would also wait until the end, thank you, ms. oksana, in israel, with the beginning of the war hamas against israel. every day they give statistics on how many soldiers there are died, they talk about these soldiers, and they respect them, of course, there are probably different numbers, of a different order, a different scale, a different war, we have a full-scale war, of course, what do you think about the lack of accurate information about it, does it affect on people, that is, perhaps we have already passed the period when

we were protected there from some of their numbers from some facts, that is, during these one year and nine months, we saw destroyed bridges and cities, we know about what was happening in the east, we know , we know what happened in buch that many people died in mariupol, it is not known for sure how many more, or it is only related to the fact that we cannot accurately determine this number, we are careful to talk about it, and the authorities are trying to be careful about it. to hint or to say, well, look, the situation is more complicated here, the fact is that at the very beginning of the invasion a tactic was chosen, perhaps historians will later say that it was the right tactic, but it was a chosen tactic of a half-truth, that is,

to do as much as possible so that people were mobilized to they had no fear and even if it was a little bit... the truth is different than it is, now, if we return to these realities that we have today, the war continues, and the situation is not easy, and is the government today ready to take and tell the people completely all the truth is, i think that first of all it is necessary to tell them to themselves, to admit it, to ask if they are ready to do it. beat, i don't know if they are ready for it, or should it be done today? look, it has to be done because we are at that stage of the war when people already know the truth, it leaks out, people have relatives, children, relatives who are at the front, there are other channels of information, therefore, in order to