[000:00:00;00] we will have a planned load of 100%, i believe, and that is why everything is at the premon stage now, when you talk about seven bpla per day, we are talking about the fact that it can be two complexes per day, that’s how it turns out, exactly like that, exactly yes, and one unmanned aerial vehicle in our country goes to the repair fund, and by the way, how is your system of repair and maintenance of complexes already in use in the armed forces built, or has such an optimal model been developed that allows you to be flexible as well and for that, this system works in our country, it works separately, separated from the production service center, and as of today, let's say, a light repair, that is, damage to some composite parts, that is, wings, stabilizers, fuselages, we can eliminate in a week, if we are talking about some heavy repair, that is, if some expensive thing is damaged

, an expensive component of our complex, for example, there is a type: the repair can take up to a month, that is, today our service center works without days off, we provide our military with operational, operational support for any issues regarding the operation of our complex, as well as regarding repair issues, do you implement such a model, in particular such a replacement fund, when you have a certain complex there and when a military officer there complains that the complex or some of its key components are damaged, you can put this the reserve complex , and then... to repair and replace the one that is already at the disposal of the military, there are certain experienced crews with whom we have been working there since the 15th year, and sometimes, if we have a fund is doing business, that's how we use this opportunity, and when we are now talking about expanding production, scaling up production, your pace is quite high, you talked about two complexes per day, that's

actually, well, i understand, 60 complexes per month, and then the question arises, is there a need to expand industrial capacity, and what are the main problems now, relatively speaking, it is a lack of capacity, a lack of finances, a lack of personnel, a lack of components, and which of these areas are the most difficult for satisfaction, if the question of increasing the number of samples does come up, well, look, all these issues that you ... voiced , that is, with all these issues, all the young companies that are now scaling up are the same as we once were, they face them, first of all, i want to say that it is a lack of quality production facilities in general, that is, when we look for something to rent, when we need to increase production capacity, it is very difficult to find a ready-made solution, generally these are some old factories, which

need to be completely restored to ours. needs, so first of all it is a lack of buildings for the organization of our production. as for the lack of experienced personnel, this problem exists, that is why in our company we have introduced training courses for our own personnel, that is, we now practice that we take a person from scratch and train him for a certain position, of course, it is quite difficult when it comes about engineers, designers who work in our design office. in our rent department, uh, so if there is a lack of specialists, it really is exists today. as for the lack of components, this is more a matter of service, that is, in order to, for example, ensure the operational service of our birds, we need to always maintain, receive balances in the warehouse, in order to receive balances in the warehouse, it is necessary for the company to invest its own

working capital. we are engaged in this, but... this is a rather difficult issue for young companies that have just started their own activities, which have a deficit of their own working capital, which must be invested precisely in components that will work for the service. mr. krylo, now deviro is no longer ukrainian , but a czech-ukrainian company, of course the question arises whether it makes it easier for the company to get foreign components there, or whether it simplifies the supply process and what are the positives from this step taken by the management of your company? look, i want to note the following, that is, the czech company and the ukrainian company are two separate legal entities, two separate legal entities, that is, they are connected to each other today day only by a cooperation agreement, and therefore it is not entirely correct to say that

deviro is completely located in the czech republic, regarding... can you please repeat the question regarding the czech company itself, i.e. are there any advantages for the czech company to receive foreign-made components there there are some certain... preferences that allow, conditionally speaking, to speed up the production of complexes in comparison with its ukrainian partner there, well, look, the ukrainian company first of all faces export control, first, and the second is due to the fact that quite a few well-known european manufacturers refuse to supply their products, specifically to ukrainian enterprises, that is why we solve this issue precisely through our cherkasy partner, so it simplified the issue of obtaining, for example, some components, and has it been possible to deploy the capacities on the territory of the czech republic in order to manufacture the leleke lr complex in such volumes, well,

the armed forces will potentially need it, look, we are now in the czech republic at the final stage certification of our production and we plan to start the production of the lr stork in the czech republic starting from march of the 24th year. the planned capacity of our production will initially be 150 birds per month, that is, it is 50 full-fledged complexes, we already have experience scaling production in ukraine, therefore, we plan to transfer this experience to the czech enterprise as well, so i believe that at the end of the 24th year, the czech the enterprise will be able to meet the needs of the ukrainian market as well. and when you talk about certification, as i understand it, at each each european country has its own peculiarities : poland, the czech republic, slovakia, they all provide the certification process in different ways, how long did it take for this process, well, for your czech partner? ah, about six months, in general, that is, this process does not involve

the certification of both personnel and management , capacities, capabilities, that is, such a large complex of problems and issues that actually come out of all the standards of this or that country. yes, yes, of course, well, first of all, this. preparation of documents, preparation documents regarding production itself, production safety, organization of technological processes, so it all takes time, but six months is more than enough. mr. kyrylo, thank you very much for these explanations, i hope that both your czech partner and your basic ukrainian company will still have many orders for next year, which will allow you to develop new directions, the armed forces to receive effective complexes, i will remind our viewers , that on the air was kryl zabolotny, operational director of the production innovation company deviro, which now, as we can see, has developed a new model for the needs of our armed forces. and then we will talk about what other samples are created by our private companies, what

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everyone has the right to try in special. we continue our military program and talk about our private defense industry, which creates weapons and equipment for the needs of the armed forces. the private share of our enterprises is more flexible than the share of state-owned companies, if we consider even those samples that appear in the use of our military. but what needs to be done so that our private companies can really realize their capacities on to the maximum, and now we are joined by maksym polyvyanyi, he is the executive director of the public organization national association of the defense industry of ukraine. mr. maxim, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you. good day. i would like you to remind our viewers how many private enterprises are currently included. to the national association of the defense

industry of ukraine? today, our association includes 48 enterprises. and this is just part of them are enterprises that directly perform the state defense order for the needs of the armed forces in various sectors. almost, almost all enterprises that are part of the association are involved in one way or another in the implementation of the state defense order. having direct relationships with various state customers, or acting as, uh, subcontractors under existing contracts, and further i would like to ask, first of all, about the direction that we have been discussing for at least six months, it concerns what the state audit service has done conclusions on contracts of the 22nd year, made its conclusion on the basis

of whom state and private defense enterprises should return the earned profits to the budget, and it literally seems that on november 2, your association with representatives of individual defense enterprises held such an internal meeting with the new leadership of the ministry of defense of ukraine, and where it was promised to take some measures to to get out of this impasse, which creates such systemic problems in the perception of relations between the state and the enterprises themselves, i would like to hear whether after this at the meeting on november 2, there was some positive dynamics, which allows us to say that the situation is really moving forward somehow and that these objections to defense enterprises regarding profit, in principle, will somehow be correctly resolved, that is, at what stage is this story now? yes, such a meeting took place, i also took part in this meeting. uh, first of all i want to thank

the ministry of defense, because the ministry of defense takes the most active position among all the executive authorities to resolve this problem, meetings, meetings are held with associations, employers' federations, directly with manufacturers, suppliers to agree on all problematic issues to take into account the positions of various enterprises. and suppliers, this applies to both arms suppliers and suppliers who provide rear support, body armor, uniforms, and suppliers of... food, after this meeting , a draft government resolution was worked out, jointly worked out, which should settle this problem, this project was

agreed with the employers' federation, and with by our association, and with the main manufacturers and suppliers, and currently the process of coordinating the government's resolution among the ministries, the ministry of finance, the ministry of economy there is already underway, and it should be submitted for a decision, well, to a meeting of the cabinet of ministers to make a final decision, and we hope that it is already finally put an end to this long, sad and rather unpleasant story, and then about the train of this story, because on the basis of these conclusions, das, the representatives of naboo began to bring such cases against certain directors of enterprises, does this mean that in case of cancellation of the conclusions i will give all these objections regarding these or other enterprises, they will also in fact be stopped and

there will simply be no continuation of nabu's actions, we hope that this is so, because the draft resolution that is being prepared , was discussed with the representatives of the service states so that they had a reason to cancel their decision and, accordingly , those criminal cases that were initiated not only against the heads of enterprises, but also against officials, ministries, were finally stopped, these criminal cases , which were opened on the basis of the conclusion of the state intelligence service, they are already inflicting... a very powerful such blow precisely on enterprises, precisely on production, and precisely against the suppliers of weapons and military equipment to date, because on on the basis of this conclusion, our supervisory bodies, this and the state bureau of investigation and naboo, can

open a criminal case against anyone from the management of any defense and industrial enterprise, which executed a state defense order in 2022, that is, under all, absolutely all heads of all defense industry enterprises are dealing with these criminal cases, so i was just asking that this is a risk, in fact, it is still in the air and all the conversations are, unfortunately, this risk is not to date, it has not yet been removed and it exists, and a criminal case can be opened against anyone, and one more such i will interrupt a little, one more demonstrative. the moment that, well, according to our information, when, on the basis of such conclusions, the state audit service also comes to inspect enterprises, for cross-checks, for some reason, uh, among the documents that they seize from enterprises or want to seize, there is,

in addition to financial documentation, business documentation and design documentation, for products that are secret for products. which are new developments and very sensitive developments, this is a question that exists today and, well, it also needs to be resolved , and with what, because it is not known, it is not known where and in whose hands this design documentation can then fall, and what are the motives withdrawal design documentation, what do they say when they come and pick up the documents? without any motives, mr. maksym, we mentioned that there are about 40 members of the foundation. they participate in one way or another in the implementation of the state defense order, but is it possible to make preliminary evaluations there for this year, was there on the part of these enterprises, defense products have been delivered, will be delivered this year compared to last year, more or less, what are the general estimates that can

be predicted now? i can't give exact ratings, because such a calculation, such a calculation has not yet been made. to date, it is not there, it will probably appear somewhere closer to the end of the year, but estimated, estimated, i can say that yes, the volumes were increased, and this is normal, and it should be so, because the country is in a state of war, and domestic manufacturers should mobilize and increase their capacities as much as possible today in order to provide the armed forces, according to the information we have, i have available information, yes, the volumes have been increased quite significantly, and is it possible to give examples of such the most vivid examples of technologies. or weapons that were developed or started to be manufactured this year at the enterprises that

are part of your association? you understand, as regards the development of samples of military equipment, it is a very difficult and long process, because military equipment, a sample of military equipment, cannot be created in a month, it is even impossible to create... in six months, military equipment, both there and under the soviet union, and in western countries, in countries of our partners, is created for years, this is a period of first development, from design documentation and creation of a prototype, conducting tests, then finishing the prototype, tests again and so on, it is quite a long and difficult way, before the technique, as a sample of military equipment will be put into service and will begin to be delivered to the armed forces of ukraine, so those developments, most of those developments that were delivered to

the troops this year, their beginnings were laid there two or three years ago, that is, before in front my colleague, the head of the deviro company, spoke with me, he talked about the samples that were supplied for unmanned aerial vehicles, which were supplied to the armed forces of ukraine over the last year, and there are such examples, such examples, but the development of these samples was, was being carried out, started two or three years before, that is, in fact, the main challenge last year and this year was to ensure, perhaps there, the relocation of enterprises, the disruption of contracts, and when we talk about the disruption of contracts, did the ministry of defense accept this force- major things

connected, in particular, with strikes, enemy missiles against our defense facilities, or how can we say force majeure, well , the change of defense was ordered in the relations to fulfill those contracts that were signed earlier, well, the company usually turned to in such cases , applied to the chamber of commerce and industry to obtain certificates about the occurrence of force majeure... circumstances, such certificates were provided, well, but the ministry of defense does not always accept them, and as a rule, sends such contracts, such cases to court, in order to for the court itself to make the final decision on the imposition of fines, but when the company goes to court, it cannot , conditionally speaking, enter into new contracts, because it is not a solution to the case on the old contracts, there is such a deadlock situation, no, there is no such situation. new contracts are also concluded, and when we talk about the loading of enterprises, we understand that they have to

increase capacity, but the increase in capacity is based primarily on the contracts that should be concluded there already, i think, for next year, and maybe even three-year contracts, what is the situation in general with privately owned enterprises, do they have an understanding of what they will do next year and are there any examples of any of them having... no, not one-year, three-year contracts for the future, their conclusion three-year contracts are provided for us, the possibility of entering into three-year contracts is provided for by law, but unfortunately , to date, i have not heard of such precedents where such long three-year contracts were entered into with manufacturers, the supply would be pledged and paid, advances were made for several years ahead. nowadays, even in a state of war , everything is done this way for a maximum of a year, no more.

i will tell you one example, regarding one of the companies that manufactures mortar systems, 120-caliber and 82-caliber mortars. yes, the company has contracts, it had a contract for supplying mortar systems for the ministry of defense, for other government customers , and the contract with the ministry of defense has expired, the products were manufactured and delivered in full, the question arises of concluding a contract for the 24th year, it is provided a commercial offer to the ministry of defense, and the ministry says: and we have no need for mortars, this is strange, there is no need for mortars, so the ministry of defense answers, we have no need, we turn to the general staff, the general staff says: but we have it at the moment ... there is none, but we will increase it, and when we will increase it, by what amount we do not know, and at the same time

, they are coming to the enterprise in parallel, here i had a meeting literally yesterday, with representatives of the territorial defense battalion, which is preparing now in rotation to go to the front line, they came and ask, give us at least two mortars, because we have nothing to shoot at, i say i can't, because the ministry of defense says that there is no need for them, well then i have the following question, you know, it is that the leadership of the ministry of defense has changed, new deputy ministers have arrived. talks about quick procedures, about improving the procurement procedure, and i wanted to ask you, that is, are there, do you feel any positive changes in relations with the ministry of defense, in accordance with procurement, and now i see that this question hangs in the air, because such examples indicate that, after all, either the bureaucracy or some things are unclear for current

affairs, the state of affairs, well it is even difficult to explain, the ministry of defense is not responsible for everything. the ministry of defense carries out procurement directly, but what to buy, in what quantity, these requests, this need is formed by the general staff, therefore, in principle, there can be no questions for the ministry of defense here, more that the defense procurement agency has started working, contracts are being signed, the procurement system is working and as before it was through the department of military-technical cooperation, well, but... as for the formation of the need and the formation of some kind of vision, not for a year, but at least for two or three years ahead in terms of purchasing and setting up production, well, as of today, i cannot say about it, because there is no such thing, well, then i have an extreme question, which i would like you

to say, what is now then the most necessary to our private enterprises from the point of view of looking into the future with certainty, in addition to forecasting with orders , what else is needed in order for our, well, private defense industry to feel that it can really work maximally in these conditions, unfortunately , today, the defense industry works in the mode of today, because no one knows what will happen tomorrow, these are criminal cases, these are the conclusions of the day, this is also a change in the regulatory framework, a change in legislation, the lack of any vision regarding the development of the next two or three years there, today all the directors of enterprises, the management of industrial enterprises, they live today, today, analyzing the problems that exist at enterprises, missile attacks, blackouts, shortage of components, relations with the ministry, with the general staff, conducting tests

of new products, testing grounds, and so on, and so on, and so on, i can cite many examples when the director, deputy director, chief designer, the enterprise is not impossible to catch in kyiv, in kyiv, because they spend all their time at the front in the front-line areas, on the training grounds, constantly working there with their equipment. mr. maksym, thank you very much for the inclusion, for such harsh but clear explanations of what is happening to our private industry, we hope that our mozhnovets will also hear these conclusions, i will remind our viewers that there was maksym polyvyanyi at filklen express, this executive director of the national association of the defense industry of ukraine, this is a public organization that unites private enterprises of the defense industry. so, to sum up, we can say that we really have the potential to create new samples, but there are also certain bureaucratic difficulties that need to be resolved in order for this machine to work

much more efficiently, so these are the main conclusions, and then stay tuned to the