i say goodbye to you and meet serhiy rudenko and the verdict program, let's watch together. good evening, we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy ordenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health, from now on every day is a good day. the verdict is broadcast in a two-hour format, we work from 8 p.m. to 10 p.m., we talk about ukraine, about the world, about the war, about our victory, about everything that interests you, dear tv viewers, today in the program is the meeting of biden yisi and the unchanged position of china, which this means for ukraine, the strike of the polish and slovak carriers, under which conditions the border blockade can end. russian moles

in the ukrainian government, what punishment do traitors deserve? we will talk about this and other things over the course of the next hour with our guests, public activist oleg rybachuk, army general mykola malamuzh , and political scientist andrii smoly. however, before starting our big broadcast, let's watch a video of how the occupiers fired at the positions of our troops in the avdiyiv direction. moto league kamikaze with two tones tnt inside, but this kamikaze did not reach our position and exploded, let's see how it happened.

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no, 0800-21382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote, we need to know your opinion, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. we are in touch with public figure, deputy prime minister of ukraine with european integration in 2005, oleg rybachuk. mr. oleg, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. mr. oleg, today volodymyr zelenskyi said that russia wants to organize a maidan three in ukraine, what the president of ukraine said. our intelligence has information that has also come from our partners. the maidan is a coup for them, so the operation is understandable. literally a day ago, zelsky said that the special services reported to him about those who deliberately incite enmity within. let's listen to what

zelensky said, i will note the meeting with representatives of the law enforcement sector, in particular the head of the security service of ukraine was there, he reported on countermeasures collaborators and regarding the protection of ukrainians from those who deliberately incite enmity within our country. we should remember everyone in ukraine, and especially those who stopped noticing the war, because they give all their attention to politics. russia is still capable of carrying evil, turning a blind eye, no one will succeed. we have to fight, we have to protect our defense as the main priority. and we have to add more strength to our state every day. mr. olezh, as a person who was involved in the maidans in ukraine at least twice. do you understand which one

maidan 3 is now being said by our intelligence, and to what extent russia now has the need to conduct this maidan-3 when they have all the resources to systematically destroy ukraine and shelling, including kyiv, this is a very strange wording, and the first thing i thought of , this is about my conversation with putin, during my meeting in the kremlin, in his office , back in 2005, in the fall of 2005, we had a great conversation there, until... i started talking about the maidan, and i tried to tell him to explain the nature of the maidan, both i and he me very sharply cut off, and i remember this moment well, because he was just smiling there , sitting so relaxed, we were talking about various things, uh, and i decided that now would be

an opportunity to just tell putin about the may day incident, because i i was there, i was in the whirlwind of events, and he took me away with the words, well, i know very well, i was told, i was told , putin will say, who organized, who trained, who paid, how the americans worked, how soros worked, how they worked europeans, i.e. putin of the 2005 model, and i think putin, the current one, they are still convinced that the maidans are being organized, and i naively tried to explain to him the nature of ukrainian patriotism and how we got to that maidan, because i actually went through two maidans and none of these maidans were organized from the outside. i must say that we campaigned on the orange maidan, we really counted on support, but i will never forget the empty headquarters of viktor yushchenko, when kyvalov announced yanukovych as the winner and there was no one there, it was raining and there was simply no one in the pond

. and i just saw how the people were coming from behind are going up to the maidan, i just stomped on these tapes, and only later, when thousands of... people came out on the maidan, already then our experienced politicians stirred, a stage appeared there, artists began to brainstorm, that is, i claim that the maidan with the orangemen did not prepare for such a scenario, it exploded, the politicians joined in, the student maidan is even more elementary , the student maidan in general, euromaidan, was impossible from the point of view of the organizers, because politicians, oppositionists, they did not have special authority there, they did not have... capacity, there was no support, and this week, when students protested in various forms, when there was a big rock concert, but the main thing, when this nonsense happened on the night of the 30th with the beating of students, half a million ukrainians came out again, but

did not come out at the call of politicians, but came out to protect the children, because they understood that if the authorities were allowed to beat up the children, there would be no future, that is, none of... the danes were not organized, not only that, during the euromaidan, politicians tried to organize their alternative on the square european, and he failed, he did not take place, although it was beautiful there, the scene, the music, everything, everything, everything was cool, but in reality the students defended this sacred place of the maidan, and then the maidan, it is not organized, it self-organizes, and it is good that the russians still did not understand this, but here is the wording. assumes that the previous two were apparently organized, so i just want to say very responsibly that the two previous maidans were not organized, they were a reaction of ukrainian society to certain events, today zelsky says

that russia is trying to stage a coup in ukraine, we know that with the beginning of the great war there was an attempt to install a prime minister in kyiv, whether it was supposed to be muraev, or whether it was supposed to be tsarev, chinukovich flew there to minsk or gomel in order to then enter the reign in kyiv, how probable is the scenario that russia can organize a coup and a change of power in ukraine, it is clear that this, this thesis about the third maidan, it looks, well, let's say this, rather doubtful, if only because... it will be anti-maidan, not maidan 3, well, to be precise, anti-maidan two, because anti-maidan there was one, there were even two anti-maidans, because we remember yanukovych in 2004, who was talking about kata leopold somewhere near

the railway station, then there was also an anti-maidan, russia thinks in terms of a coup that we will come now, we will take the capital, as it was, by the way, in the 17th year, when they started to create soviet ukraine there from kharkov, is it at all possible now under the current conditions, with the understanding of the people, what is happening in the country, with the understanding. people, that there is a great war going on and what is at stake the lives of many millions of people, because no matter what coup they try to do there, it is clear that for tens of millions of people there it will end in concentration camps, siberia and destruction, you just guessed very correctly, i thought about it, but then somewhere it occurred to me for some reason, it is possible to organize not a maidan, but an anti -maidan, and despite the fact that it is like... a boutique, that is, there are some signs, yes, a wall, because when yanukovych

conducted his campaign, he conducted a campaign very similar to the one conducted by our ukraine, even with the same technical with means, with flags, with shouts, there, but people drove up, but there was none, there was no such feeling of unity and some kind of inspiration of the participants, the eyes did not burn, it was clear that there were buses of people... we brought them, fed them, they gave vodka, took them away, that is, there were some external signs, but the essence of the maidan, as there, as a popular resistance or as a popular self-organization, as an active protest, there was no such thing, and therefore to organize a third maidan there now, well, it’s just very strange, well - first we heard it from, i see now on television channels, this is so serious, but i don't...

we are talking about russia's possibilities to organize something in ukraine, if, if there is a war, and for almost two years russia has not been able to organize the liberation of the donetsk region even in the labs there , that's why counter-intelligence is ours, that's what we seriously asked at the beginning, but now the sbu is more or less working, but i just want to imagine what it's like. a coup in a country with such a powerful army, where there is such a thing, where there is national self-defense, where there is territorial defense, where people are simply so wrapped up in good in the sense of the word, that you, if you appear somewhere there with a russian chanson, you will simply be thrown out, which coup, by which forces, the armed forces, no, er, the public, no, who will be the participants of this coup, where, well, there are

there are some traitors there, there are some cans sleeping there, there are not so many of them, they are sitting there somewhere, exploding, simply technologically, i do not see any prerequisites for the possibility of even organizing some action, i did not see, you saw, we did not see any action in support of russia somewhere, mass or otherwise the actions of the same opzzh there, the same parties that once stood for russia, nothing happened in two years, and russia showed its own . even if there was some support in ukraine, putin was quite popular in ukraine for many years, before the invasion to ukraine, he was more popular than ukrainian presidents, but he handled it brilliantly, so ukrainians have no illusions about what russian peace can bring, and there are no preconditions now, but it is probably being used for that, and it worries me a little , because when they talk... about some

attempts of some kind of coup, that something is being prepared in our country, a campaign is starting that it is necessary to criticize the government less , ukrainians recently supported that the government has criticism, not only is it necessary, but it is necessary to criticize the government, we need reforms now, we need there is a certain pressure on the authorities, to support these reforms, and i have this feeling... that this is just an attempt, well, there is something , we have self-control, ukrainian journalists have self-control, public activists have self-control, we don’t have any mass actions, although the reasons, if there was no war, the reasons for mass protests are more than enough, that is, we understand that the war, but this attempt to start talking about some coups, like the fact that there is no way to rock the boat now, we know , but with... on the other hand, it does not give any indulgence and the right to all kinds of, well, i don't know

, high-level officials to engage in unnecessary things, it does not give the right to profit from purchases, it does not give the right to suppress freedom of speech in ukraine, that is, i see here it is more an internal ukrainian context than a real one the threat is the domestic-ukrainian-political context, than some... really coup d'état organization. also, mr. olezh, i wanted to ask you about the results of the meeting between sidzinpinna and biden, because there is a lot going on in ukraine. there were high expectations that we would become one of the elements of this big conversation, or we would be remembered, however, they talked about it, but rather casually, and the ministry of foreign affairs of the people 's republic of china said that these negotiations did not change china's position, china believes that that there should be peace, that it is necessary to find some

common points of contact, these 12 points of the chinese, chinese foreign ministry. which have been since february 24, 2023 have not changed, that is, does this mean that we have nothing to hope for now, as long as china and the united states of america, well, conditionally speaking, agree that they, as xi jinping says, take responsibility for all of humanity is simply redistributing influences, spheres of influence, well, i watched a lot of coverage of this event by americans, europeans, french, germans, evronews, and really, the main news, this, the main success is the fact that the meeting took place, four hours, body language, when people were smiling, i paid attention to how biden was shaking xi jinping's hands with two hands, a photo of the young xi jinping 36 years

ago, against the background of the bridge there, which biden gave him when he arrived, that is, the main news. from the american mass media, the main achievement and biden said about it more than once that they agreed to have communications, they restored the military lines, because after the americans shot down these bullets, which were supposedly with spy equipment, there was no communication , and several times there was a situation when for some stupid reason, due to someone's carelessness, a conflict could arise and everything could flare up, and here biden emphasized several times that now they have agreed that they have a phone there, you pick up the phone, that's it, and they promised each other that they would talk about everything and there would be immediate communication, and in addition, the military agreed that they would have communication, this is basically the main agreement, analysts draw attention to the fact that this is a certain thaw, that there a pin

said that he is not going to take over taiwan now, they talked about cyber security there, restrictions on drugs that are produced in china and then get to europe and america, they agreed that they will develop trade relations, xixingpin tried to charm there investors, they talked about the importance of trade, but everyone notes that this is a certain thaw, that this is a certain period and there will inevitably be an aggravation, an aggravation will be inevitable, because the countries... on the main issues of worldview, they did not agree, biden emphasized that he was talking about ukraine, but china's position both in relation to ukraine and in relation to the events in the gas sector has not changed, china does not condemn russia, china promised not to provide russia with weapons there, but it promised, it can do it indirectly,

therefore, it is important that the situation has warmed up a bit, but it is also very important for us. for us, uh, it is very dangerous for us to increase tensions, so this is exactly what russia is trying to do, now they are already starting to talk about russia trying to ignite, the western balkans, what is there, and you we we understand that in russia, there is an ally of the serbs, and this one, there are right-wing, extreme , extremist even military forces there, the wounds after milosevic have not yet healed, and therefore russia can contribute to this conflict there, and we see that more conflicts are possible and in other parts of the world, the more conflicts , good and bad, the better for russia, because russia is looking at how to effectively destroy the system of this security. this mouth, this meeting simply sent such signals that china does not want and is not going

to be at the head of such, well, be peculiar anti-maidan, yes, if you imagine that the democratic philanthropy is a maidan, then china did not want to build an anti-maidan, china does not want to be at the head of this confrontation , we will see how long it will last, but it is important for us that this meeting took place and that they agreed to reduce the tension a little and avoid global conflicts and try not to let these various conflicts turn into a world war. thank you, mr. olezh, it was oleg gribachuk, a public figure, and a person who once headed the office of the vice prime minister or was the vice prime minister of ukraine from of european integration, it was in 2005, friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our: youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently following us on youtube and facebook, please like this video,

and also subscribe to our youtube and facebook pages, in addition, we conduct polls in two methods at once, one method we collect votes during the telecast, honey, you see on er tv screens, phone numbers, we are asking you today about are you satisfied is it necessary to ban the activities of the russian orthodox church in ukraine , or rather the branches, yes, no, for those who support, 0800-211-381, no, 0,800,21382, call, all calls to these numbers are free, then we have political expert andrii smolii is in touch, mr. andrii, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air, good evening, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. mr. rybachuk and i already started talking about volodymyr zelenskyi's statement today that the russian federation is trying to inspire maidan 3, and he said that

should lead to a coup in ukraine, what do you think this maidan or anti-maidan could be , and do you see signs of its preparation, well , apart from the activity of russian propagandists on their channels, who constantly say, well, there are people there not long ago. in ukraine, they will definitely go to the third maidan, and this third maidan will be, well, it is most likely, if we talk about it hypothetically, anti-maidan, because the maidan is actually what embodies pro-ukrainian values, it is what personifies the struggle for our country, the struggle for independence, the struggle for the european future, the struggle for nato, so when we talk about the maidan there, in fact , it is necessary to clearly understand that the rashists will really want to shake up the situation in ukraine and even there under some code name, then this will de facto mean the anti-maidan for us

, that's why we have to understand, although i really understand that for them, for the occupiers, any maidan is actually something like a coup d'état, that's why they talk about it, whether in fact an anti-maidan is possible in ukraine or maidan 3 is possible there, how as the occupiers say about it, i at this moment, as of today, in principle, i believe that in the years to come, if we are again talking about something pro-russian, about some such, pro-russian movement, or even covertly pro-russian anger , i do not particularly believe in this, i do not i think that, in principle, it is possible in ukraine, because , first of all, there is practically no electoral support, in fact, for such anti-maymai. slogans, anti-maidava movements, already in principle, we see that the country has crossed the rubicon, when it was possible to spy on it with such

pro-russian propaganda as it was before in 2004, before the orange revolution, then there until the 14th year, of course, we understand well that there is a part of the people, there is a part of the political community, which still, relatively speaking, looks into the russian world somewhere. but there are actually not as many of them as would be desired by the same rashists. i am concerned about another question in our, nevertheless, ukrainian information space. i am really concerned about the information space itself and the fact that there are actually people who, as of today, are really pumping this information space against ukraine. well, for example, let's let's just go to youtube and watch some experts. by the way, from the pool of the ex-medvedchuk pool, from the pool of the 112th former channel, our channel, murayev, yes,

these same people have not gone anywhere, they actually sit on numerous youtube channels and just brainwash ukrainians almost every day and they pour selected russian propaganda, even if it is there, relatively speaking, this propaganda is a little now, a little combed, a little... replaced, it doesn't look like that, but it's still propaganda. the second question, we still have in the verkhovna rada, for example, half of the same opzzh, yes more, more than half of the same opzzh, and listen, well, everything is fine, and for some reason, for some reason, there are no questions for these people, well, except for shufrich and a few others, but excuse me, how to understand it? how to understand that, for example, propagandists of medvedchuk are still walking around kyiv, how to understand that, for example, the same ex-advisor of the president's office, arestovych, who has now fled somewhere or to vienna or somewhere there, is another question, very often also

plays along with the eyes...' actually pro-russian dew russian rhetoric, i don't know how else it can be called, that is, the question arises, we say, so rightly, russia would like to shake ukraine from the inside, but we, as a state, probably do little to ensure that these people who shook the country many, many years for them to suffer, for them to suffer punishment, why are they becoming active again and again as of today... rocking the topic, for example, languages, here we are in these last week and a half, the topic of languages ​​is very active, but i many times spoke, including on the air channel espresso about the fact that in fact this is the maximum copper expansion, it is a fault, it is beneficial to whom? it is beneficial to the russians, it is beneficial to the kremlin, and the kremlin is pumping it all up, including through its experts, through its people who have worked for them for years before,

this subpoena, they are pumping it, what? they are currently raising the issue de facto against the ukrainian language. everything that concerns language issues, we well understand that this is something that, in principle, can, conditionally speaking, divide society, who raises it, why it is raised, why it is raised, it is an open question, and the main thing is why it is allowed to be raised, it does not matter, relatively speaking, which side it is about, but this is the unity that was in the 22nd year after the start of the full-scale invasion, and the unity that we had in in the 23rd year at the beginning of this year, they are trying to erase it, this is what i actually consider to be the biggest threat to our state. this is what i consider an information anti-maidan, to which the security service of ukraine should respond, to which the national security council should respond and defense, to which

ukrainian politicians must respond. the ukrainian authorities should not allow this situation to escalate and should not allow those people who actually brought the war to ukraine in ukraine in ukraine in ukraine in the 14th year and later a full-scale invasion in the 22nd year to not allow them to receive political points and again gain political and informational influence on society, unfortunately, unfortunately, these people are increasing theirs today. information influence, and i see it, unfortunately, both on youtube, and on tiktok, and on those to the intrusions that are present in ukrainian society today, why are these questions not being answered, in fact, this is what the ukrainian government should say and do today, first of all, we should not hear the voices of racism in ukraine in 2023

, mr. andriy, you said about the voices of racism, but you also mentioned about the people, a part of the opzh , which is still in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, i looked at how much in 2020 this party, which is banned in ukraine, now the party of viktor medvedchuk, how many deputies of different levels were elected, and counted there are more than 4,000 people, i.e. these people, despite the prohibition of the opzh, in some communities, in most communities, throughout ukraine, they occupy the positions of se. there are councils, district councils, regional councils, in spite of everything, that is, there is a war, but it turns out that the country, within the country, at the local level, in some communities continue to be ruled by people who were elected from a party that is banned in ukraine, which is an anti-state party, then we have a large branch of the russian orthodox church, i.e. 10,000 parishes, and this is also very large...

network that can be used by the russian federation. then there are telegram channels, which are not clear who moderates them, but it is clear that they conduct anti-state politics. danilov said this week that it is necessary to end anonymous telegram channels. well, that is, we see a rather serious basis for making an antimaidan. in other words, russia has enough deputies to organize an anti-maidan. former members of the opzh, a large church network that works in ukraine, and a media network, as you rightly noted, why in your opinion, for - one a year and nine months of the great war, when everything became obvious, why the nsdc after all, because obviously the nsdc should make these decisions, because when it was necessary to throw out the fifth channel and direct from espresso's digital broadcasting, they did it very well.