[000:00:00;00] thousands of parishes, and this is also a very large network that can be used by the russian federation, then there are telegram channels, which are not clear who moderates them, but it is clear that they conduct anti-state politics, danilov said this week that it is necessary already to finish with anonymous telegram channels, well, that is, we see a fairly serious basis for making an anti-maidan, that is, for russia to make... an anti-maidan, there are enough deputies from the former opzh, a large church network that works in ukraine, and media like you correctly noted, why in your opinion, after one year and nine months of the great war, when everything became obvious, why the nsdc after all, because obviously the nsdc should make these decisions, because when it was necessary to throw them out, from digital broadcasting , espresso, channel five and direct,

they did it very. fast, and they can't do anything with these networks, why? i think it's not that they can't , in fact, so to speak, start there, you mentioned correctly about local governments, it's the easiest, by the way, there are the draft law, this draft law was de facto approved by the specialized committee, and no one brought it to the verkhovna rada, i mean the deprivation of the mandates of those deputies who were elected from prohibited pro-russian parties. of political forces on the ground, by the way, this is not only the opposition platform for life, this is the sharia party, the same one, in some regional city councils, they are there, and even, let's remember the same odesa, this is the first, the second, there are more there is an opposition bloc and a number of other political forces, in fact it was possible would be done and it could be brought to the meeting hall of the verkhovna rada at least tomorrow, but as we can see, for some reason there is no political will, i am already silent about the fact that the verkhovna

rada really does. there are those people, there are now approximately 30 people, who were elected from the pro-russian opposition platform for life , which is banned in ukraine, as well as absolutely all draft laws, everything from the most elementary to simply not allowing them into the meeting hall, ending with the general deprivation of mandates, well, it's a bit more complicated legally, well, all of them as of today are blocked, i am already silent about one more thing, we mentioned the so-called russian orthodox church in ukraine, yes, as of today , how much time has passed, how many bills have been submitted, until october 2023 the government bill is voted on, which is well , unfortunately, rather weak, and in which a huge number of changes must be made in order to somehow bring it into order, it really worked and only now

they started talking about it, this and this at a time when the same russian orthodox the church continues to shake up the situation in ukraine, you look at the number, the number of proceedings of the security service of ukraine opened against the actual representatives of the so-called uocp. but these are just dozens and hundreds of cases. moreover, if we are talking about sentences, there are actually dozens of sentences against these people. that is, what more evidence is needed to ban... the russian orthodox church in ukraine, to ensure that there are no deputies from pro-russian forces in ukraine at any level, starting from the smallest village, ending with the verkhovna rada of ukraine, which are prohibited in ukraine, then we, if we talk, talk about other things, we must also talk, including, for example , about the same media space, which is supported by these people, who

are also de facto lan, one chain, which is one foundation, actually pro-russian in ukraine, and even if they do not succeed, relatively speaking, there is some kind of anti-maidan, or whether there is a code name for maidan 3, then their goal will be elections in the future, they are waiting for elections for to take in these elections at least some kind of revenge, and this is the biggest problem, we simply cannot allow that in ukraine already... as of today, in the 10th year of the war and in the second, soon third year of the full-scale invasion, such people could even be elected to parliament or even, even any council of the united territorial community. and the question arises, why? maybe because we see how these people's deputies, at least in the verkhovna rada , vote, vote, because if there are no votes, they suddenly appear,

they appear from between these two groups. which arose on the basis of the former opposition platform for life. we see that, unfortunately, a certain flirting with the supposedly conditional pro-russian electorate continues, it continues, it continues, we see that in fact there is a lack of strong-willed decisions, strong-willed decisions in order to cut down this russo-peace hydra in ukraine, for example , according to the same russian orthodox church, there are votes in the verkhovna rada, but there was no political, political vision, political will a year and nine months, and we see that it is weak, because in fact... those draft laws that are stronger, for some reason, they are still not brought to the hall of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and, speaking of that , , that the state, that the authorities, that the institutions allow even certain things

that divide society, that are thrown into society and, unfortunately , are used to essentially give the same pro-russian forces the opportunity to score political points, this is also is... absolutely a huge threat, i just want to remind you that really, we we must understand that russian tanks in ukraine did not just leave, russian tanks, russian missiles flew , and the russian bloody boot is always accompanied by russian political and, let's say it like this, linguistic and ideological foundations, but this is what russia has always played on and on this they have always built any - what kind of revenge, i really don't want these people to create any basis in the future, either for revenge, or again for the talks of putin or putin's successors,

and they will definitely do it about russian peace in ukraine, about the protection of the russian language there in ukraine, about the protection of some of our values ​​there, about the protection of their orthodoxy, and so on and so forth, because every... this detail, every one that concerns any russian world of the russian world in ukraine, any ruskamir detail in ukraine, starting even from the alleged monument to pushkin there or any other there, any red star chirpa and hammer unremoved there, streets, russia will always use it against ukraine, and especially if she has votes in ukraine, especially if there will be a conditional people's deputy and a whole people's deputy, or 20 people's deputies, or deputies of local councils, or if pip from moscow will come out and speak, we are being oppressed here, we, not everything is so clear-cut, we have to put up with it, but ukraine is not

winning , such voices have already gone, we see that in fact there are some, some even people's deputies are already starting, for example, to openly say all kinds of things against the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, they are already starting to allow themselves to do this, they are already starting to prescribe, they are already starting to say, that we can't win there, that we have there, that we have some problems there, and so on and so on, yes, we may have problems, and this is absolutely objective, but in what way and in what connotation is this said, in what context it is said, why is it then replicated and multiplied throughout the country by russian propaganda? this is another question. and yes, i really see that all those people who at the beginning were quiet there, who at the beginning, relatively speaking, did not say anything,

who at the beginning were quieter there, quieter the water, became very, very active. below the grass, and now they are really starting to actively pump out things related to the ukrainian counter-offensive and actually possible so-called negotiations there. so with russia, we perfectly understand why this is being done, it is being done in order to advance russian interests as much as possible, to freeze the war and to help russia actually take over the minds of people in ukraine, to take over that, to influence ukrainian society, to develop connect it in order not to allow our state to effectively fight how many fakes today, for example, the same armed forces of ukraine are thrown in, which, by the way, is the number one issue, and here we really have to work and work both in the political field, in the field of political struggle with these persons, and in the field

of information struggle, especially networks the internet, and on the field, let's say so, to the same religious person, because the russian orthodox church is not about religion, it is about the influence of the russian world in ukraine, therefore, that is why there are so many challenges and so many tasks, if we now we will miss these challenges if we are these now challenges, we will close our eyes to these challenges and continue to tolerate the russian peace in ukraine, in the end... this will lead to really very , very negative consequences. thank you, mr. andriy, it was andriy smoliy, a political expert. friends, we are working live on tv channel uso, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook, please don't hesitate to like this video and subscribe to our pages on those platforms. in addition, we conduct polls on youtube and on tv, we we ask you about the following: do you support

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we saw the numbers on the screen, don't pay attention, it was in the votes now, in percentages , we will see a little later, then we have the general of the army of ukraine, the head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine in 2005-10, mykola melamush. i congratulate you, mr. general, and i am glad to see you on our air. congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, i ask all our guests today. mr. general, about zelsky's statement that russia is preparing, as it were a coup is being prepared by maidan-3, because the head of state stated this, referring to intelligence data , do you think that the forces and agents of the russian federation, in particular in kyiv and in ukraine in general, are sufficient to create an imitation, or shall we say so , antimaidan and demonstrate that it seems that someone there

is opposing zelenskyi and demanding his resignation precisely during the war. well, first of all, there is such an amendment, maidan-3, two maidans were precisely for democracy, for european values, for our prospects, so it is not that again the third maidan, the russian federation is preparing something, this is the first component, the second component, i will say that it is unrealistic, because in this situation , i will say it directly, 99% of ukraine is against russia, because they suffer directly from the war, they are killed, they are wounded, they are maimed , it’s plundered, raped, that’s why it’s all a bit of a myth, i know for a fact that the security service of ukraine , the unit that carried out constant work, is also concerned with the protection of national statehood and the fight against terrorism, directly, in order to do this, it is necessary that there were deep prerequisites, c society, in certain regions, in certain sectors, that's why i think that today ... russia's question regarding ukraine is still

to carry out aggressive operations on the battlefield and how to capture more territories and issue ultimatums to ukraine and western partners regarding their peace, but on the terms of the russian federation, this is a strategic duty, all resources are thrown at it, but there is really information provision that russia has prospects, that it is not victorious, that there are no prospects to win, accordingly, so that we do not hope and of course, our partners have already seen that it has been delayed, and it is for a long period. this is the second, a component of the information war. thirdly, there are trends where they are looking, perhaps, for people, supporters of these formats , so to speak, which are connected, for example, with russia, with russian politics, i will say frankly, this is a super small percentage, and for them to organize themselves today, directly i will say, during the period of martial law, the period of complete control of the special services of ukraine, well, it is extremely unlikely, that is why at the moment, when... it seems that there is such an intention, well, i

i'm just saying that it's simply unreal, it's practically impossible to implement, especially with the system today and the provision and system of informational activity , organizational, political, which is practically prohibited today, that is, there is no chance, something will appear, it will be stopped immediately, i i will say it bluntly, and there is one more vector, russia is never alone, although in those times when they had powerful positions, they could not raise the maidan, people rose to the maidan, rose for values, for their rights, for life, for the land, we say, for new ones prospects are european, that's right, people. rose up protesting against the government, against those regimes that created an authoritarian moment, so today it is important that, and i say this as a specialist who has been engaged in counter-intelligence and intelligence for dozens of years, that the state will create such conditions in the future, not only in terms of the war that we are standing against are the aggressors, and tolerance, dignity, not

repression against people, repression will be necessary only in relation to spies, saboteurs and individual agitators, gunners, this is me... one hundredth of the total number of ukrainians, therefore let's not overdo it, but let's talk about the fact that the second component, in addition to confronting the aggressor and his destruction will free the territory, is active theoretical work with people, protection of their life, health, dignity, respect, non-repression of them, freedom of speech in to ukraine, publicly, with the clear exception of state secrets, this is separate, it should ... be sacred, especially during the period of war, and people have the right to their position, their vision, to bear even the period of war with dignity and their lives, and the state should, why you them elected, this is not some institution, a separate president, this is hiring, servants, as they say of the people, but according to the constitution, officials,

the state in the state and on the state factors that people put in order to ensure life, their safety, health , created the conditions for work, did not do for them, or paid some kind of social allowances, conditions for work, and this theorizes precisely society, where there are problems related to religion, frankly, with some social, regional problems, the state must find mechanisms, very cleverly, how to generate, harmony, from dividing all these radical moments and cutting them there , as a rule, the war period is a pittance from the healthy part, which really should shape the future society, and even more so, the war period is very powerful, this is a fact yes, to support the armed forces of ukraine, to support our security sector, this is a priority, to support, so to speak , the social stability and internal stability of the state, today the state must

lead with its informational, organizational, and legal mechanisms, well, i see such an ear to some extent, well, it is necessary to cut it off, that’s where danilo spoke there and even others, we will cut it off there, i will once again... as the organizer of many processes in ukraine, cutting it off is an extreme form of individuals, that’s why that we can piss off many others, create preconditions that people will be embittered and they will form the same maidan with their own hands, but look, look, mr. general, over the past two months we have seen how in the central government, in particular in the deputy corps take and are handing suspicions to two people who are accused of high treason, they are nestor shufrych and oleksandr dubinskyi, they are sitting in jail, in your opinion, are the ukrainian special services working enough to prevent, and not to state, that nestor shufrych, who for a long time was in power there for 25 years, that he turns out to be a state traitor and

worked for russia, the same oleksandr dubinsky , against whom the united states of america announced sanctions, it was said that he works for... agent andrii derkach and for the russian special services, is it enough to just to ascertain, to say, well, they are suspected of treason, whether it is too late and whether the special services could not have done it earlier, so in this situation we are only talking about those persons who occupy particularly responsible positions, these are deputies, this government officials, these are representatives of the security sector, the sbu, in particular, we are talking about knees. or about others , it is the legislative, political, economic, persons who determined the strategy of the state, and protected it as if it were a security, intelligence format, but turned out to be spies-traitors, here precisely the effectiveness of counterintelligence in

this regard should be great, not to look in the fields somewhere that someone said something wrong, so to speak, educational work should be carried out in relation to those people who are found to be agents, but those who sat there and actually direct the processes against the state. this is the number one basis, so what we say, they often did not see, because there was a political cover-up, i will say frankly, not only in the verkhovna rada, but then, correspondingly and tolerably , the heads of the state are also recognized, but nothing, he is there yes, he may be saying some alternative things, well, it is within the framework, so to speak, according to what is permissible, no one has deeply understood the situation, and counterintelligence has not carried out deep counter-liberal actions, find out if he is really just criticizing, for example, as an oppositionist power, or after all... it is according to the tasks, if the tasks are a program, this is funding, these are circular, circular actions, specific actions, in relation to what tasks are given and their implementation and results, that is, it is a whole set of measures, which must be carried out by our special services in order to identify these persons, but as a rule

, they remained outside the scope of attention, even in the case of brief speeches, because he is a politician, often so to speak, well, leaders and politicians of the state, we will not touch them there, because in this situation, it will cause some kind of political contradiction, there will be accusations, for example, of repressions, there will be different motivations , i will say, therefore, how to get out of the situation from those politicians, even the heads of the state, who were, well, to some extent. concrete facts, evidentiary materials, and through the investigation and the courts are an independent branch of government, we will carry out the entire process, we will neutralize them, i will say frankly, they were not refined systematically and often for political reasons, that is , it was taboo for them not to conduct active work, and of course the special services did not conduct it, sir general, i want to ask you about russia, because the head of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, kyrylo budanov, predicts, or hopes, that 2025 will be the peak of the collapse of destructive changes in the russian

federation, he says that this is not a forecast, but an expectation, as nazarya, this is one of likely scenarios, says the general. is the collapse of russia possible in the 25th year and can ukraine contribute to accelerating the collapse of the russian federation? well, i'm simple. that intelligence should only speak when there are real facts , but it's so easy to speak to the public, they can predict and analyze everything and that's their right and will report to the president, but to speak like that about what might happen, for example, whether crimea will be liberated as early as may of this year, we will be there either in winter or there someday, but here we must really talk about the fact that we are already or already we have the prerequisites and it will already be implemented, and in russia, of course, there can be different scenarios.

we can consider, but i will say one real fact, successes on the battlefield, specifically, this is the liberation of the east, this is the liberation of the south, the liberation of crimea, this is already the beginning of the complete fall of the putin regime, so everyone, both the internal forces and his entourage, will understand, putin is naked , in this situation there is no power, there are no prospects for the implementation of precisely those tasks that he set, and these are aggressive tasks that involve everyone and this will be a prerequisite that they will be fellow students, so at the moment they, even the entourage, will suddenly withdraw from him and think how to dislodge him, legally, i.e. send his resignation, illegally, in a force format, and of course different and not only political, public, other force structures have to rise up in order to move it, this is the factor, it is the detonator of all these events, these are real victories on the front of ukraine, then everything will be, the sooner we win, the 24th year will be delayed, as russia plans the 25th-26th, this will be built , which will drag on

long. mr. general, during the last few weeks, russian experts in the ukrainian information environment have been quite actively circulating in the information environment that putin died there, something happened to him, from the point of view of the russian special services, it is clear that it is all coming from them , for whom it is intended, and what is the purpose: of this information, which the special services of the russian federation are trying to spread in ukraine and the world, first of all, this is an internal, so to speak, political combination, they periodically launch such information, regarding the verification of putin's loyalty and entourage, regional elites, and here the reactions of partners abroad, the entire model of the special services is involved in this pharmaphone, it begins to control the situation, including the security forces, even. the closest circle of both politicians and oligarchs, and regional leaders , and the national republic, in order to find out which models can work and who is already

an opponent, the agency and technology are involved in this situation, they are listened to and after that conclusions are drawn, especially there military generals who are retired today, we remember that a few have already died, the last one was a general with his wife, for unknown reasons, but who left the battlefield from the front, and some of them wrote reports that are not in accordance with positions are also suspended and their activities are also being checked, they will not raise some kind of coup, maybe they will unite , but what should be a checking detonator, well, the fact that putin is not there, for example, on the other hand, what will be the reactions, for example, very close environment, which groups will appear, as we remember, after stalin's death, different groups appeared at once: beria, khrushchev, others, so maybe this is an option. is being considered, well, it is clear then, how the reaction will be abroad, how effective the contacts will be, verification options, who will be interested,

how and the like, well, it is also clear... to some extent, this will relax the situation, but maybe someone will show up in in terms of new initiatives, either political or operational in relation to the russian federation in the period when putin is already on the move, here is who is betting on whom will do, for example, the west, who will bet on, that is, a multi-planned model that putin, as a chekist, is constantly working on with his entourage, having three or so references there, which are rarely used, only in those situations where he cannot... be control is completely safe, well, for example, a mass of people where they cannot all be controlled, although they are sifted there, but still, among a large mass of people, you cannot check everyone for loyalty or for inappropriate actions, that is why a double is put on display, but as a rule, all meetings, all meetings, official and even unofficial ones are conducted by putin himself, well, with the exception of when he may be sick, so in this situation, these are more myths, but there are internal reasons for this, of course, but

we should not become famous, so in this situation, we have as a combination of putin's russian federation, he is still in place, unfortunately, so we must work very actively , first of all, on the battlefield. mr. general, you once headed the foreign intelligence service, it is clear that now it is obvious that the work of the foreign intelligence service also has a importance, during the war, can you tell our viewers what information and whether ukraine has information about what is happening inside the kremlin there, or inside the leadership of the russian federation, if you can briefly, first of all, the service is engaged in intelligence on battlefield, but what putin, his entourage, the politicians of the russian federation think, well, of course , our opponents and others may be neutral persons, so at the moment we are in control of the situation , all the plans, ideas, even motivations that

can be, and were before the war, which during the beginning of the aggression and what are being developed today, what actions, what strategies, with whom combinations, what position will be with china, with india, for example, with brazil, turkey, for example, with iran, with north korea, that is, it is a deep systemic work, to identify these strategic plans, and they then strategically influence the position regarding ukraine and the war, and military development deals with military issues, and what their military is planning, planning operations, and what they will do on the battlefield. thank you, mr. general, it was army general mykola malomush, former head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine. friends, we are working live on telekanaluso, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. during this broadcast, we are conducting a survey. we ask you about the following: do you support the ban on the activities of the branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine. as of now, more than 600

people have voted on youtube. 92% said they support it. 8% do not support. during the telecast, we also conduct a survey and ask about the same thing, do you support the ban on the branch roc in ukraine, so 85% say yes, 15 - no, what is 85%, that's 1,380 people, 244 people are against banning the activities of the roc branch in ukraine. this will be a poll, friends. in the second part of our program, which will begin literally 15 minutes after the bbc news broadcast. three journalists will be visiting us: olga len, oleksiy mustafin and natalya ishchenko. let's talk about maidan 3 and the figures of ukrainian losses in russia's war with russia and what is happening in the balkans. wait, do not

switch, we will be with you all evening. as a russian oligarch, abramovich is connected to those who are called putin's wallets. we talk about this on bbc news ukraine live from london, i'm evgenia shedlovska. the bbc established an alleged financial connection between russian oligarch roman abramovich and vladimir putin. so, today we will show the bbc's investigation about the russian oligarch roman abramovich. investigative journalists discovered a money trail that links him to two people who are called vladimir putin's wallets, that is, those who believed to secretly own money and assets