[000:00:00;00] to do the same tomorrow, so from my point of view, i admit that the russians really hope for some kind of maidan, or a pseudo-maidan sooner, but again, this does not mean that they have found some new, new move, but that they simply use old methods, as far as communication, banking is concerned, it is generally not at a very high level, if... talking about communication with, with ukrainians, you can say something differently about communication with allies, but with ukrainians it was at a fairly high level, at least, even unexpected for many in the first months, a direct invasion, but then they also began to act like this, well, it worked once, it will work,

it works and it will continue, uh, i liked how the single marathon works, let it work, work and continue, i.e. they, i have the impression that they generally avoid any new movements and changes, changes in tactics, but of course, this ultimately affects their positions as well, because the situation is changing, the mood in society is changing, and acting and interacting with it like this , as it was possible even a year ago, it seems to me that it is already becoming dangerous for the authorities and not very effective. natalya, what should the authorities talk about during the war to people, and what should they not talk about. why am i asking about this, because olga and i have been looking at these statistics about people who died in the war for several days, and there are volunteer estimates of how many people

have died since the beginning of the great war. and these data were published in the magazine ukrainian week, the book of memory of those who died for ukraine names the number of almost 30,000 dead, 24,500 confirmed dead, whose names are known, 15,000 missing persons, 3,400 prisoners, before this was a lot of speculation from the time publication, there called about 1,000 dead, according to the economist, on november 13: he talked about 70,000 killed and up to 120,000 wounded, well, we see the dynamics of the dead during the war on the peak days during this great war, what the government should tell ukrainians, and what it should not, and whether the lack of this information can be the reason that people will come to the president's office and say, well

, listen, it's enough... talk to us like children, let's get serious let's start the conversation, what is happening in the country in general, that's enough for us already say that everything is fine because of a single telethon, let's already talk about how we should live on, and you know, rather there will be protests of people who do not want to hear anything about the war, do not want to hear any bad news, but they want fairy tales about.. . ponies and strange unicorns there about the rainbow and something like that, you see, the problem is that communication from the very beginning, well, of the great war, as we say, it was for some reason built in such a way that citizens are somehow underdeveloped in terms of civic, civic

positions . from patriotism and so on, do you remember how we were fed stories that the russians are running, that they are weak , that the war will be over in two or three weeks, that they will run out of weapons, that there are no missiles left, i think that the authorities simply did not trust own people completely, and believed that ... fairy tales would keep people in such a state of, you know, a warm bath, that they would not be afraid, it turned out completely wrong, but the conclusions were not drawn, that is, maybe because the people who are responsible for communication, they did not even want to hear the truth, they continued to live in some

vacuum, because i argued there on facebook with mr. aristovych, who wrote that how was it for you to tell the literal truth if you all ran away from kyiv, do you understand? well, that is, this is an absolute lie, but they built their communication on this very idea, not to disturb people once more, not to tell terrible news, and the concealment of the statistics of the dead, unfortunately, is not connected, not with the strategic idea that the military , such is our goal that we do not say how many people died, so as not to reveal our losses. i have more and more one gets the impression that the main, main task of this concealment is not to frighten or even simply disturb people, and by the way, in kyiv, for example,

the only picket that i know of, where, where my acquaintances participated, was connected, which is precisely with the theme of the dead, with the insufficient arrangement of the cemetery there, and why? because this is the reluctance to talk about problematic, difficult topics, it is transmitted further, lower , and already when they do not talk about, about statistics, yes, somewhere, in places, some local leaders simply do not pay attention to what is necessary equipping cemeteries, these military sites, these are related things, and i believe that it is necessary to ... just fundamentally change the communication of the authorities regarding the topic of war, in principle, because it is no longer working, and here is one, i said, the topic

was connected with the dead, where my friends participated, yes in a small picket, but it was a picket, and another topic is that people, relatives, those who serve in the military came out. who demanded the demobilization of people who have served for more than one and a half years, why are these protests happening, because part of the people who is directly related to the war, whose relatives are fighting, you know, close friends , they feel in a vacuum that society, led by a single marathoner, and even representatives of the authorities, are away from them, as if from plagues of some sort, as in they were quarantined, they don't want to talk about losses, about problems with, with personnel

resources for the armed forces, no one says anything about problems, and these people simply feel that they are not heard, that they are not just not heard, but not heard real situation, and it is very dangerous. and that's why i say that this one communication should be, let's say, reformed. olya, how to reform this communication in this situation, when they didn't talk, didn't talk, didn't talk, and then suddenly, well, they'll start talking about what's really happening with the casualties and the wounded, because society has nowhere to go , it is necessary to talk about it, because it is something that will always be with us, well, look, first of all, i see that these attempts are being made, the article itself should have already been the beginning of such a conversation, and you see that they were not able to adequately react to it even some of the people in the president's office, we talked about this last week, that even there they were kind of not ready to hear what

was going on, in terms of whether people could walk out, protest, to be told more, no, they wouldn't walk out because, well if it's for that, again, who usually protests about something, it's too heavy, well, such a small irritant, and those who don't want to hear anything, they don't go out, they just cover their ears and go about their business, we are we also know perfectly well that this one is a little different in general, the problem is that apparently, at some point, power politics began to, you know, directly target only people who, well , you know, who are passive in principle, in order to leave them in a passive state, and this is dangerous, but look, even the reaction to the fact that these data on losses were made public, i believe that this is also an element of attempts to give a real

picture, and we strongly see a discussion of this somewhere in general, well, except for our studio, but no one discusses it, the impression is that no one noticed these data at all , something some networks they will discuss, look, half of the military losses we have are missing, yes, and this also creates, well, certain risks in this whole situation. no one is interested, i also consider this a certain state of society, which is actually abnormal, and if they do not react to these irritants, if they do not discuss it, they will discuss what all the news this week told about the unfortunate evaders from odessa, who were somehow tried to give them summons somehow wrong, and what are we even talking about it, people should take summons no later than 20 minutes after

he was running, kom, and according to the first requirement, and the fact that , no, official communications are not aimed at this , no, it is not promoted in any way, and then, then it forms this absolutely unhealthy atmosphere, when, as natasha said, those people , who are directly involved in the war, feel in a vacuum, because everyone else is rooting for the uhillians, and talking about how, oh, my god, how are we going to protect ourselves from territorial... assembly centers, and unfortunately, this is a completely unhealthy situation , and something must be done with this, and with this we must somehow, probably think, change this situation here, well, here the only question is whether there is anyone there to think and change the situation, oleksiy, you see , in what way, who can change, because it is clear that the war changes us all, and we understand that whatever people

... a single telethon and a single information policy, that they see a completely different life, when familiar relatives and friends go to the front , when they are buried, when they arrive wounded, well, this is a completely different life than what is shown to us on tv, but on the other hand, well, first of all, we are also on tv, and that's why from my point of view, there is a certain illusion, including in... the authorities, that there is some kind of unified information policy, yes, the zmi follow certain, certain rules, they do not tell about something, on their own initiative, in mind, and this applies to all the zmi , which is in the single marathon or what, or they are not in the videnomun, everyone understands that the war is going on and certain rules must be followed, but on the other hand, to say that people who want to receive information do not have the opportunity, information, is not so, people are active, they consume

information, well, not from a single marathon, but from other media who are not silent about it, after all, they are there, they certainly do not have such opportunities, and they are deprived of such opportunities for dissemination, but information still leaks out, and whoever seeks information, he receives it, thank god, that we have media independent of the authorities, and that even for this information they do not go to dubious sources, although this is also a problem, that is, to shock people who are interested in information, some truth, conditionally, let's call it that's right, about the war, i think that, well, you can't, because they have this information have, those who close themselves off from this information, i don't think that if they start talking about it in a single marathon, it will in any way activate them, or change their position in the sense that they will start to actively go out somewhere and demand something, and it may discourage them, but it does not encourage them to take

active actions. the main problem, now, at least at this moment, i see is that the government, which has decided that it has built a unified policy, it begins to depend on this unified policy itself, it begins to believe what is told in the unified marathon, but here it very dangerous, because we understand the gap between virtual reality and real events, if they are guided in their decisions and will be guided: the future, what is told only in the marathon, it is very dangerous for the country, and this is the problem. ladies and gentlemen, let's take a short break, but before that, i will tell our viewers whether you can take part in our poll, today we ask you about whether you support the banning of the roc branch in ukraine, yes, no, if you watch us now on tv

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, you just choose options there, if you vote by phone, then yes, 0800 211-381, no, 08 211-382, all calls are free for you and you can to call, do not be afraid that the operator will withdraw money for these calls, then we will talk about what zelsky says about the balkans, the balkans, and can become a place where the russian federation can start a war in the balkans, the president is talking about this. said in an interview with african journalists, he does not often with communicates in ukrainian, but for some reason in an interview with african journalists, he said that a war could start in the balkans, because we have natalia ishchenko, portal editor, balkan

columnist on the air now, i'm just wondering, natalia, are they talking about this in the balkans, are we talking about the balkans in ukraine, and the balkans are talking about us, that is, in... only in the balkans is the possibility that there might be a war considered at all. well, you know, here we need to make a little reference, what is actually in the balkans, well specifically in the war is not over in the former yugoslavia, because there are two zones, this is bosnia, herzegovina and this is kosovo, where peacekeepers are still present in bosnia. it is a military mission of the european union, in kosovo it is nato. why are they there? because the conflict is only frozen, it is not stopped, it is not resolved. accordingly, the countries live under peace agreements,

temporary, as you understand, there is no situation of complete, permanent peace. this is, so to speak, the context of what. what is going on, now with regard to war in general, is being discussed, in fact, with the beginning of a full-scale war russia against ukraine, not only began to say that an escalation is possible in the balkans, but also the european union, nato, the united states, and great britain began to act, the same peacekeepers in bosnia and kosovo, they were increased, there were added... more technical capabilities, formed reserves that can quickly roll over, because of what is considered possible for some kind of armed confrontation. and expectations, unfortunately , were confirmed in the sense that

there was a small local conflict in the north of kosovo, the paramilitary formation of the kosovo serbs, it tried to take control of this area of ​​kosovo, and but the kosovo police prevented this attempt, there was a whole little war, and the americans and the european union appreciated this situation as the most threatening since the end of the war. these are the realities. well, i understand that when zelensky talks about the possibility of the war spreading to the balkans or to another part of the globe, he is warning, including the europeans, that it is possible, that russia is capable of it. how relieved. in general,

russia is now able, in addition to ukraine, to start wars or start fires in various parts of the planet, so that the attention of the entire world community simply scatters and is not concentrated on ukraine, well, for example, we see that in the french former , let's say, african countries that were under the influence of france, they completely succeeded in this and for the first time, not the last time. in turn, because they have a whole system of african forces created by russia, which work precisely to incite conflicts there, and in addition to the fact that there are they are, well, you can't even call it private military companies, because they are not private, they are state russian military companies under the influence, well, completely under the control of the ministry of defense of russia, so these are state russian companies, they are actively involved in this

participation, are they able to do it in other countries besides africa, well, you know, there is a certain influence in the balkans also of russian propagandists, and it is primarily in serbia, to what extent they can influence there, it is difficult for me to say in terms of how much they can stir up these revanchist sentiments about a greater serbia in serbia again, it's hard for me to assess it. because i don't know enough specifically about their activity there, but the fact that they're doing it, yes, they're doing it , they're active enough there, i'm seeing more of their activity now, if you talk about what they're talking about, and what are they orienting russian citizens actually to, yes, they are more, for example, orienting them to the fact that conflicts in africa will continue, intensify, to the fact that they will... intensify conflicts in the middle east, and they probably also contribute to this, because they have arabic broadcasting, russian

propagandists have their own, which is very widespread and they create fakes there specifically, that is, they have this whole structure in full operation there, and now they are also, apparently, very much involved in shaking up moldova, this is also very noticeable, and apparently they also have their own... well, whole networks there, and they are very worried, and somehow they painfully perceive that moldova started very well with them to actively fight, literally in the last few months, the media controlled by the russians have been closed there, some of their channels have been closed, well, that is, it is such an active area of ​​russian propaganda work, but in the balkans it is there, but it is not so noticeable there, because there is only serbia there , which, in principle... it creates enough of its own things and is quite active in this direction, so the only question here

is what the serbs will dare to do, how inflated their prices are, the european commission has already reacted to zelskyi's statement, they said that they were aware of the threat of the russian federation to the western balkan states, and the spokesman of the eu foreign policy service, peter stano, stated that for some time we have been talking about the fact that russia is trying to exert its harmful influence, in particular in the territory of the western balkans, yes, this is a concern that we share, oleksia, this is the concern in the balkans, it usually ends differently, and the balkans are for the fact that we simply have to understand that russia is not going to send troops there to the balkans, yes, if it does not send troops to the middle east, there is someone there to work for the russians, their... their influence is harmful, which you just said and quoted, it is an informational influence, primarily fanning the conflict, inciting

the conflict, encouraging its allies and proxies in the near... east, these are actually proxies rather, rather iranian, of course, but again they can also be influenced, in the balkans, it is primarily the serbs and the question, there is not a question of whether it is possible to stir up, serbian chauvinism is rampant there enough at a high level by local actors, so to speak, that is, russia's task is to create conflicts all over the world and force... the west to be distracted by these conflicts, because the west will have to intervene, both in the middle eastern conflict and in the balkans, where they are, well, one way or another, the guarantors of these, possibly temporary, but still peaceful agreements, if we remember how the russians rejoiced at this conflict, between the authorities

of kosovo and these serbian municipalities, so-called, they declared war, even when she was not yet, so to speak, as they rejoiced, when the situation around taiwan escalated, what did china do here, why is it being done, in order for the west to disperse its forces, and after that they tell, well, ukraine is no longer there, on the front pages of newspapers, she is so attention is paid, recently, i would like to support olya right here and i saw how she paid attention when they say, well, look, ukraine has already moved from the first, from the first positions, the ukrainian issue was not discussed at the summit of the asia-pacific region, where ukraine, where the pacific ocean is, nothing, that is, again yes, that's what we're betting on, on the other hand, i'd like to challenge you, serhiy , to tell about the balkans in an interview

with african journalists, it's to hope that i'll quote african... journalists, they'll quote it the balkan media, well, of course they will quote the ukrainian media, and if you tell the ukrainian media about something, the signal may not reach africa and the balkans. well, maybe that's right, though i lack information specifically about ukraine from ukrainian journalists, olya, we don’t have much time before the end of the program, maybe you can summarize, in fact, this balkan topic, to put an end to it, natalya can rather summarize here, it is better in her context, well, i can say that zelenskyi actually said everything correctly, indeed russia can provoke a conflict in the balkans, and oleksiy correctly said that it is the hybrid

influence, it will not be the transfer of the vks, it will be an influence, but not only copper, but also through proxies in the political sphere, elections are coming soon in serbia and we will see from the results how much russian influence has penetrated, so to speak, into the political background of serbia. thank you natalia, ladies and gentlemen, we have to finish our program, thank you for participating in the program. olga lein, oleksiy mustafin, nataliya ishchenko were guests of our program today. during the program, we conducted a survey. we asked you about this, do you support the banning of the roc branch in ukraine, therefore, our results are as follows: yes, 86%, 14% do not support, in numbers, this is 2329 people who

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