so much the better for russia, because russia is looking at how to effectively destroy the system of this security. this speech, this meeting simply sent such signals that china does not want and is not going to be at the head of such, well, to be a kind of anti-maidan, yes, if you imagine that the democratic movement is a maidan, then china did not want to build an anti-maidan, china does not want to be at the head of this confrontation, how long it will last, we will see, but it is important for us that this meeting took place and that they agreed to reduce the tension a little and avoid global conflicts and try not to let these various conflicts turn into a world war. thank you, mr. olezh, it was oleg rybachuk, a public figure and a person who once headed the deputy prime minister's parade, or was the vice prime minister of ukraine for european integration, it was in... 2005

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congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air, good evening, glory to ukraine , glory to the heroes, mr. rybachuk and i have already started talking about today's statement by volodymyr zelensky that the russian federation is trying to inspire maidan 3, and they say that this should lead to a coup in ukraine, which according to you could be is this maidan or anti-maidan, and do you see signs of its preparation, well, apart from the activity of... russian propagandists on their channels who are constantly saying, well , people there are dissatisfied in ukraine, they will definitely go to the third maidan, and this the third maidan will be, well, it is most likely, if we hypothetically talk about it like this, an anti-maidan, because the maidan is actually what embodies pro-ukrainian values, it is what embodies the struggle for our country, the struggle for independence, the struggle for the european future,

the struggle for nato, therefore...' when we talk about the maidan there, in fact, it must be clearly understood here that if the rashists really want to shake up the situation in ukraine, even there under some code name, then this will de facto mean an anti-maidan for us, therefore we must understand, although i really understand that for them, for the occupiers, any maidan is actually something like a coup d'état, that's why they are talking about it, is an anti-maidan actually possible in ukraine or is maidan 3 possible there, how, how about that say the occupiers, i at this moment , as of today and in principle, i believe that in the coming years too, if we are talking again about something pro-russian, about some such pro-russian movement, or even a covertly pro-russian movement, i am not into it i especially believe, i do not think that in principle it is possible in ukraine, because already

first of all, there is practically... no electoral support, in fact, in such anti-maymai slogans, anti -maymai movements, already in principle, we see that the country has crossed the rubicon, when it was possible to spy on it with such pro-russian propaganda, as it was there before 2004 year, before the orange revolution, then there until the 14th year, of course, we well understand that there is a part of the people, there is a part of the political class, which still, relatively speaking, looks somewhere in the russian way, but there are actually not as many of them as i would like the same rashists, me i am worried about another issue in our ukrainian information space, i am really worried about the information space itself and the fact that there are actually people who, as of today , are really swinging this information space against ukraine, well, for example, let's...

just go to youtube and let's look at some experts, by the way, from the ex-medvedchukiv pool, from the pool of the former channel 112 there. our channel, murayeva, yes, these same people have not gone anywhere, they actually sit on numerous youtube channels and are just brainwashed almost every day selective russian propaganda is being poured on ukrainians, even if it is relatively speaking, this propaganda is a little now, a little combed, a little replaced, a little not as it looks, but it is still propaganda. the second question, we still have in the verkhovna rada, for example, half of the same opzz, and even more, more than half of the same opzz, and listen, well, everything is fine, and for some reason, for some reason there are no questions for these people, well there in addition to shufrych and a few others, but i'm sorry, this is how to understand, how to understand that, for example,

medvedchuk's propagandists are still walking around kyiv, how to understand that, for example, the same ex-advisor of the president's office, arestovych, who has now fled somewhere, whether to vienna or somewhere... there , this is another question, very often also plays along with this pro-russian russian rhetoric, i don't know how it is it can be called otherwise, that is, the question arises, we say yes, correctly, russia would like to rock ukraine from the inside, but we, as a state , probably do little to ensure that these people, who have rocked the country for many, many years, so that they suffer, so that they suffered the punishment. why, as of today, are they reactivating and re-rocking the topic, for example, languages, here we are in these last week and a half, the topic of languages ​​is very active, but i have said many times, including on the espresso channel, that in fact this is

maximum copper expansion, is it beneficial to whom? it benefits the russians, it benefits the kremlin, and the kremlin pumps it all up, including through its experts. because of their people, who have worked for them for years and worked out this subpoena, they pump what? they are pumping the topic de facto against now of the ukrainian language, everything related to language issues, we well understand that this is something that, in principle, can, relatively speaking, divide society, who raises it, why it is raised, why it is raised, this is an open question, and most importantly, why it is allowed to rise, it doesn't matter conventionally speaking, which side we are talking about, but this is the unity that was in the 22nd year after the full-scale invasion began, and the unity that we had in the 23rd year at the beginning of this year, its they are trying to blur, this is actually what i consider to be the biggest now

a threat to our state, this is what i consider an informational anti-maidan, to which the security service of ukraine should respond, to which the council should respond. of national security and defense, to which ukrainian politicians and the ukrainian authorities must respond and not allow this situation to escalate and not allow those people who actually brought the war to ukraine in ukraine to ukraine, in ukraine and in the 14th year and later, a full-scale invasion in the 22nd year, do not allow them to get political points again today and get political points again and informational impact on society. and unfortunately, unfortunately, these people are increasing their informational influence today, and i can see it, unfortunately, both on youtube, and on tiktok, and on the other things that are thrown into ukrainian society today, why no answers are given, no answers are given

to these questions, in fact, this is what the ukrainian government should say and do today, first of all, we should not hear the voices of racism in ukraine in 2023, well, mr. andriy, you... said about the voices of racism, but also about people were mentioned by a part of the opzh, which is still in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, i looked at how many in 2020 from this party, which is banned in ukraine, now the party of viktor medvedchuk, how many deputies of various levels were elected, and i counted more than 4,000 people there, that is, these people, despite the ban of the opzh, in some communities in larger. in some communities, in ukraine, they occupy the positions of village councils, district councils, regional councils, in spite of everything, that is, there is a war, but it turns out that the country within the country at the local level, in some communities,

continues to be managed by people who were elected from a party that is banned in ukraine, which is an anti-state party, then we have a large branch of the russian glorious church, that is, 10,000 parishes, and this is also a very large network that can be used by the russian federation, then there are telegram channels that are unclear , who moderates them, but it is clear that they are pursuing an anti-state policy. danilov said this week that it is necessary to end anonymous telegram channels, that is, we see a rather serious basis for creating an anti-maidan, that is, for russia, in order to to make an anti-maidan, there are enough deputies from the former opzh, a large church network that works in ukraine, well, a copper network, as you rightly... noted, why in your opinion, in one year and nine months of the great war,

when already it became clear why the national security council after all, because obviously the national security council should make these decisions, because when it was necessary to throw out the fifth channel and direct from espresso's digital broadcasting, they did it very quickly, and they cannot do anything with these networks, why? i think it's not that they can't in fact, speaking of it, you rightly mentioned local self-government bodies to begin with, it’s the easiest, by the way, there is a draft law, this draft law was de facto approved by the specialized committee, and no one brought it to the verkhovna rada, i mean about the deprivation of the mandates of those deputies who are elected from the banned pro-russian political forces on the ground, by the way, this is not only an opposition platform for life, it is the sharia party itself, they are in some regional city councils, and even let's remind... odesa itself, that is firstly, secondly, there is still an opposition bloc and

a number of political forces. in fact, it could be done, and it could be brought to the meeting hall of the verkhovna rada even tomorrow, but as we can see, for some reason there is no political will. i am already silent about the fact that there are indeed people in the verkhovna rada, there are currently about 30 people, who were elected from the pro-russian opposition platform for life, which is banned in ukraine. as well as absolutely all bills, everything from the most elementary to simply not allowing them into the meeting hall, ending in general, the deprivation of mandates, well, it is a bit more complicated legally, well, they are all blocked as of today, i am already silent about one more thing, we mentioned the so-called russian orthodox church in ukraine, yes, as of today, how much time has already passed, how many bills have been submitted, until in october 2023 the government bill is voted on, which is, well, unfortunately, quite

weak, and which needs to be made just a huge number of changes in order to bring it somehow into order, it really worked, and only now they started talking about it, that's it this is at a time when the same russian orthodox church continues to shake up the situation in ukraine, you look at the number, the number of proceedings of the security service of ukraine opened against the representatives of the so -called ukrainian orthodox church. but these are just dozens and hundreds of cases. moreover, if we are talking about sentences, there are actually dozens of sentences against these people. that is, what more evidence is needed in order to ban the russian orthodox church in ukraine, in order that there are no levels in ukraine, starting from the smallest village, ending with by the verkhovna rada of ukraine, so that there is no such thing. deputies from pro-russian forces, which are banned in ukraine

, then we, if we speak, speak about other things, we must also speak, including, for example , about the same media space, which is supported by these people, who are also - in fact, it is a link in one chain, which is one foundation of the pro-russian movement in ukraine, and even if they do not succeed , so to speak, in some anti-maidan there. whether there is a code name for maidan 3, their goal in the future will still be the elections, they are waiting for the elections in order to take at least some kind of revenge at these elections, and this is the biggest problem, we simply cannot allow that in ukraine, as of today, in the 10th year of the war, and in the second, soon third year of full-scale invasion, such people could generally be elected to the parliament or even to any council of the united territorial community, and the question arises, why? maybe because we see how these

people's deputies, at least in the verkhovna rada, vote, vote, because if there is no voices, they these voices suddenly appear, they appear from between these two groups that arose on the basis of the former opposition platform for life, we see that, unfortunately, a certain flirting with supposedly well such... by a conditional pro-russian electorate, it continues, it continues, we see that in fact there is a lack of strong-willed decisions, strong-willed decisions in order to cut down this... komirov hydra in ukraine, for example, in the same russian orthodox church, votes in the verkhovna rada has a political political, own vision, political will, it has not been there for a year and nine months, and we see that it is weak, because in fact those bills that are stronger, for some reason, they still have not

been brought to the hall of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and if on that is to say, that the state, that the authorities, that the institutions even allow certain things that divide society, that are thrown into society and, unfortunately, are used to essentially enable the same pro-russian forces to score political points, that is too an absolutely great threat, i just want to remind you that in fact , we must understand, russian tanks in ukraine did not just leave , russian tanks, russian missiles flew and the russian bloody boot is always accompanied by russian political and , shall we say, linguistic, ideological underpinnings. this is what russia has always played on and they have always built any revenge on this. i really, and i say it again, did not want

these people to create any basis in the future, either for revenge, or again for the talks of putin or putin's successors. and they will certainly talk about the russian peace in ukraine, about the protection of the russian language in ukraine, about the protection of some of our values, about the protection of their orthodoxy, and so on and so forth, because every detail, every which concerns any russian world, the russian world in ukraine, any russian world detail in ukraine, starting from... even from the alleged monument to pushkin there or any red star there or hammer and sickle not removed from the street , russia will always be this to use against ukraine, and especially if it has votes in ukraine, especially if a conditional people's deputy, an entire people's deputy, or 20 people's deputies, or deputies of local councils,

or moscow pip, will come out and speak, we are here... we are not all that clear, we have to put up with it, but ukraine is not winning, the votes have already gone, we see that in fact some, some even people's deputies are already starting to, for example , openly say all kinds of things against the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the forces of the industrious, that is they are already starting to allow themselves such things, they are already starting to prescribe, they are already starting to say that we are not there... we can win, that we are there, that we have some problems there, and so on and so forth, so we may have problems, and it is absolutely objective, but in what context is it said, in what context is it said, why is it then replicated and multiplied throughout the country by russian propaganda, this is another question, and so i

really see that they have become very, very active all those people who were quiet there at the beginning, who at the beginning, relatively speaking, they did not say anything, who at the beginning were quieter than the water, lower than the grass, and now they are really starting to actively pump things that relate to the ukrainian counteroffensive and actually the possible negotiations there with russia, we perfectly understand for what is being done, it is being done in order to advance russian interests as much as possible, to freeze the war and to ... help russia actually take over the minds of people in ukraine, to take over the fact that, to influence ukrainian society, to divide it, so as not to don't let ours the state to fight effectively, how many fakes are thrown around today, for example, about the same armed forces of ukraine, this is the number one

issue, and here we really have to work and work in the political field, in the field of... political struggle with these persons , and on the field of information struggle, especially on the internet, and on the field, let's say so , to the same religious one, because the russian orthodox church is not about religion, it is about the influence of the russian world in ukraine, that's why there are so many challenges here and a lot of tasks if we are now we will miss these challenges, if we close our eyes to these challenges now and continue to tolerate the russian peace in ukraine, in the end, this will lead to really very, very negative consequences. thank you, mr. andriy, it was andriy smoliy, a political expert. friends, we are working live on the tv channel. as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook, please don't hesitate to like this video and subscribe to our pages on these

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friends, 92% say that they are in favor of the ban, and 8% are against it, well, now we saw incorrect numbers on the screen, don’t pay attention, it was in the votes now, in percentages, we will see a little later, next we have the general of the army of ukraine, head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine in 2005-10, mykola melamush. i congratulate you, mr. general, and i am glad to see you on our air. congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, i ask all of our guests today, mr. general, about zelenskyi's statement that russia is preparing a quasi-coup and is preparing maidan 3, because referring to the divorce data. this was stated by the head of state, do you think that the forces and

agents of the russian federation, in particular in kyiv , in ukraine in general, are sufficient to create an imitation, or let's say, to inspire the anti-maidan and demonstrate that it seems that someone there is opposing zelenskyi and demands his resignation precisely during the war, but first of all, this is the maidan 3 amendment, the two maidans were precisely for democracy, for european values, for our prospects, so the maidan is not the same as the third maidan again, the russian federation is preparing something, this is the first component, the second component, i will say that it is unrealistic, because in this situation , i will say frankly, 99% of ukrainian citizens are against russia, because they suffer directly from the war, these are killed, these are wounded, this mutilated, all spoiled, raped, that's why these are a bit of a myth, i know straight away that occupying the security services of ukraine, the unit that carried out constant work, this is the protection of national statehood in the fight against terrorism, directly, in order to do this, it

is necessary that there were deep prerequisites in society, in certain regions, in certain secretaries, that is why i think that today the issue of uh, russia in relation to ukraine is still to carry out aggressive operations on the battlefield, and how it is possible to seize more territory and put ultimatums to both ukraine and the western partners regarding their peace, but on the terms of the russian federation, this is a strategic duty, all resources are thrown at it, but there is really information provision that russia has prospects, that it is not victorious, that there are no prospects to win here, respectively, so that we do not hoped, and of course, our partners have already seen that the blame has dragged on, and it is for a long period, this is the second, a component of the information war, the third, there is a trend where they are looking, perhaps, for people, supporters of these formats, so to speak, that are connected , well, for example, with russia, with russian politics, i will say frankly, this is a super small percentage, and for them to organize today, i will say frankly,

during the period of martial law, the period of complete control of the special services of ukraine, well, it is extremely unlikely, that is why at the moment colleagues say that there is such an intention, well, me i'm just saying that it's simply unreal, it's practically impossible to implement, especially with the system today and the provision and system of informational activity , organizational, political, which is practically prohibited today, that is, there is no chance, something will appear, it will be stopped immediately, i i will say frankly, and there is one more vector, russia itself, even in those times when they had powerful positions, could not raise a maidan, people rose to the maidan, rose for integrity, for their rights, for life, for the land, we say, for new european perspectives. yes, people rose up, protesting against the government, against those regimes that led an authoritarian moment, so today it is important that, and i will tell you this as a specialist who

has been engaged in counter-intelligence and intelligence for dozens of years, that the state creates such conditions and continues , not only in terms of war, that we are facing aggressors, but tolerance, dignity, not repression against people, repression should be only in relation to spies, saboteurs and individual agitators, gunners, this i emphasize once again, one hundredth of everything of ukrainians in general, so let's not exceed, but let's talk about the fact that the second component, in addition to confronting the aggressor and his destruction, will liberate the territory, is active theoretical work with people, protection of their life, health, dignity, respect, non-repression them, freedom of speech in ukraine, it is normal, we will exclude it, i understand state secrets, it is a separate component, it should be sacred, especially in the period of war, and people have the right to express their position, their vision, to bear even the period of war and their lives with dignity, and

the state should, why did you choose them? this is not some institution, a separate president, this is hiring, servants, as they say to the people, but according to the constitution, these are not hired state officials in the state and on state factors that people have put in place to ensure life, their safety, health i created conditions for work, did not make or pay social allowances for them, conditions for work, and this theorizes precisely society, where there are problems related to religion, i will say frankly, with which... social regional problems, the state must find mechanisms, very intelligently, skillfully, how to generate harmony, from dividing all radical moments and cutting them there, as a rule, they are more so during the war period, this is a meager part of the healthy part that should really shape the future society, and the moreover, the war period is very powerful, it is a fact to support the armed forces of ukraine, to support with security.

sector, it is of primary importance to maintain, so to speak, social stability and internal stability of the state, this is the state today must conduct informational, organizational, and legal mechanisms with its mechanisms, well, i see such an ear to some extent, well, we need to cut it off, that’s where danilo spoke there, and there and yes others, we will cut it off there, i say once again, as the organizer of it from there are many processes in ukraine that cut off is an extreme form of individuals. because we can, on the basis of many others , create preconditions that people will be embittered and will shape the same maidan with their own hands, but look, look, mr. general, we during the last for two months, we have seen how the central authorities, in particular the deputies' corps, receive and hand over suspicions to two people who are accused of high treason, they are nestor shufrych and oleksandr dubinsky, they are sitting in the dark, in your opinion, are

the ukrainian special services working enough to to prejudge, and not to state already that nestor shufrych, who was in power for a long time, there for 25 years, that he turns out to be a state traitor and worked for russia, the same oleksandr dubinsky, against whom the united states of america announced sanctions, talked about that he works on the russian agent andrii derkach and the russian special services, is it enough to simply state, to say, well, they are suspected of treason, is it too late and could the special services have done it earlier, however, in this situation we we are only talking about those persons who occupy particularly responsible positions, these are deputies, these are government officials, these are representatives of the security sector, the sbu, in particular, we are talking about kulidnich and others, these are the persons who fundamentally determined the state strategy, both legislative and political,

economic, supposedly protected security in an intelligence format, turned out to be spies-traitors, this is precisely where the effectiveness of counter-intelligence in this regard should be great, not to look in the fields somewhere that someone said something wrong, so to speak, educational work should be carried out in relation to those people who are not agents, but those who sat there and actually directed the processes against the state, this is the number one basis, so what we are saying, they were often not seen, because there was a political cover, frankly, not only in the verkhovna rada, and then, accordingly, the leaders of the state, and nothing , he is there, he may say some alternative things there, well, it is within the framework of so to speak, according to what is permissible, no one has deeply understood the situation, and counter-intelligence has not carried out deep anti-liberal actions, to find out whether it is really just criticizing, for example, as an oppositionist of the government, whether it is after all the task, if the task, it is a program, it