[000:00:00;00] erdoğan also has trump cards, and the germans understand this very well, the increase in the number of refugees in germany, if erdoğan's will is there , can simply lead to the fall of the democratic government and the right-wing coming to power, so in this case, it is such a very difficult bargain, and well, yes, they are tense and not very pleasant, even obviously for both sides, say... mr. igor, if we talk about another important region in which there was such turbulence this week, and multidirectional events, i mean the southern the caucasus, that's how you see this peaceful the process between romania and azerbaijan in a situation where another such summit was supposed to take place in the united states has actually been disrupted, azerbaijan says that the united states is taking a unilateral position, the united states is openly putting pressure on baku, on the other hand, minister armenia says that there are

already frameworks we agreements between armenia and azerbaijan, which were reached through the mediation of the chairman of the european council, and the csto summit is not going to minsk, where we are in general in this region as well, at which eh, i think, i think, for sure we are not approaching war in this region, and i think that still, we are moving more towards the signing of a peace agreement , and because the key obstacles that were before, it is karabakh, he, he is gone now, but obviously, it will still not be easy, it will it is not easy, however, there are no other options, i think that both azerbaijani politicians and armenian politicians understand that there is simply no other, other alternative, azerbaijan cannot now start a new war, since it will already be an aggressive war, and,

accordingly, he does not receive support practically anywhere, well, maybe except for turkey and even then question, armenia, in turn, does not have the power to retaliate, that is, it is a somewhat stalemate situation, which in principle gives chances that the parties will still come to an agreement, get out of this impasse, and this is the first the turn is beneficial to both azerbaijan and burma, not russia, for sure, but that's why the russians say that the future of azerbaijani-armenian relations depends on the return of the armenian population to karabakh, as maria said. zakharov this week, how is this, well, yes, because this is a key, key obstacle, that is, to ensure return and the right to return and everything else, by the way, in this case, azerbaijan acts much more competently than many other countries, from the very beginning it launched the procedure, recognition of citizenship, yes, that is, there is

an electronic form, that is, any... who lived and lives in the territory of nagorno-karabakh, he can enter into direct contact with the azerbaijani authorities, issue at least that electronic form and start the integration process, that is, in this case, it seems to me that it is much wiser to act azerbaijani politicians, and finally, very briefly, the csto summit in minsk and pashinyan , who apparently decides to refrain from going there, can we talk about the already quite understandable drift from the russian federation, armenia, which is now headed by nikol pashinyan? well, i think one can say cautiously, yes, that is, cautiously, why, because there are quite a lot of politicians, political forces in burma who want change, in the direction

of moscow, so...' it will be difficult for pashinyan, he must offer the armenian society clear guarantees and vision after after the war, after the signing of the peace agreement, and how armenia can develop, how it will guarantee its security and on whom it will rely, this is a difficult process, but it can be cautiously stated that armenia is drifting away from russia. thank you, ihor samivolos, director of the center for middle eastern studies, was with us on this broadcast, we discussed the situation in the middle east, where the war continues for the 43rd day, and the situation in another important region in the south caucasus, this is not the end of our you talk, we let's continue with khrystyna, literally in a few minutes, don't switch, we

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half as much, we continue our free political club, khrystyna yatskiv and vitaly. and in the next hour or so we will have an opportunity to hear from mr. vitaliy his opinion on the most basic events , i will probably start by returning to the topic of sidzimpin and joseph biden, has it become possible for you , mr. vitaliy, to perceive the modern world in a miraculous psychological way and have you come to understand that these two adult leaders, understood, but found the necessary contacts in order not to escalate. situation, i don't think xi jinping is a mature leader, ugh, a mature leader would leave the position of general secretary of the central committee of the communist party of china and chairman of the chinese people's republic after two terms in power, if we talk about

a person who respects at least the one that exists in his own authoritarian country, if a person tries to destroy all the rules that existed for decades, which in principle ensured the success of his state, that must be understood. that this success was largely ensured by this very procedure of transfer of power, may i explain why? ugh, because the normal procedure for the transfer of power is democratic elections. in countries such as the people's republic of china, because there is a civil war there with the help of joseph stalin , the communists won, there are no democratic elections, the island of taiwan remains the only center of democracy. and this, i would say, the monopoly rule, not even of the party , but of the man, which we observed from 45 to 1976 until the death of maudzedun, led to the complete collapse of political life, the economy, the whole clan struggle, so that after the death of maudzedun, his

associates had to arrest his wife, dyantsin and the closest associates of the leader, this is degradation. dan siopin, who, by actually led the country after this crisis, was able to offer china a change of leaders, a rotation of leaders. this rotation of leaders will provide one way or another. the ability to polemic, the ability to debate, the ability to make the right decisions. cidzenpin, given solely that he has a lust for power, broke it. and when a person breaks such a system, one can only expect a disaster, because he stops consulting with others. she stops taking into account other opinions, she becomes vulnerable to her manias and phobias. and by the way, what

is happening in china lately is mysterious the disappearance of foreign minister qinggan, where is he anyway, where is qinggan, the mysterious disappearance of defense minister lishanfu, where is he, where is lishanfu, lishanfu is also gone, no one is there, these are the people who were shizenping’s closest associates, whom he promoted to these positions, not not only the ministers, but also the members of the council, they did not just eliminate the rescue, they disappeared in an unknown direction, this was only the case during mao's time. a disaster with economic policy, first a policy of zero tolerance to the coronavirus, then an instant one, a whirlwind of rejection of this politics, which may have led to the death of hundreds of thousands of people, and the lack of economic growth results, so of course, the president of the united states can be considered an adult, but his interlocutor, an ordinary totalitarian dictator, is talking to him only because he has now

the situation is not the best, as the president of the united states himself said, so the only thing that is important for me in this meeting is that this dialogue is taking place at all, but it does not guarantee anyone from anything. i don't think the meeting the president of the united states and the head of the people's republic of china, somehow distances us from the third world war, because in general i believe that there will be no third world war, and it is impossible, because the third...' world war is a nuclear component, it is the death of dozens millions of people, it is the disappearance of a large part of civilization, it is disadvantageous for dictatorships and democracies. there will be no third world war that could resolve the contradiction between democracy and dictatorship, there will be constant local wars that will lead to the death of a large number of people, permanently the entire 21 this period, the entire 21 century, will be spent in local wars, there will be no peaceful time, but i would advise our compatriots to abandon the word peace, to understand that the last peaceful day in

their lives was february 24, 2022 , then there will be a war, and this is the life of them, their children, their grandchildren, great-grandchildren - this is a war, it's just that we live in a war, but it is necessary that there is no war on our territory, if it is on the territory of other countries, if we are to follow this war if we will read others victims, if we spend money on humanitarian aid to other countries, if we look at humanitarian disasters in other countries, of course it will affect ...' the climate, the ecology, the future, the lives of people, how many there will be to live, people will fall into unexpected disasters, all this will be and all this will be such a routine that no one will pay attention to, except for the direct victims of these disasters, but there will be peaceful parts of the world, you know, this is like an ocean and there will be land, and and our task is simply for us to be on land, for now we are one of the big landfills of these eyelashes, and our task is not to be fixed as such a landfill for the next decades, which is very profitable.

because ukraine is an ideal training ground, it is not a member of the european union, it is not a member of nato, a large population, a large territory, you can test missiles, you can test drones, you can test new weapons, you can not risk anything, because it is not a nuclear state, it is not can respond with nuclear weapons, if anything, so basically, if i were the president of russia or the chairman of the people's republic of china, i would experiment with ukraine for another 20 years, but there is another world that is critical, for which we should hope from the point of view of the end of this war, at least on the majority of our territory, so let's talk about it, this last week anders fog rasmursen, i will just remind you that this is a former general secret stated that ukraine can join the north atlantic alliance before the end of the war with russia and without the temporarily occupied territories. such a scenario of partial membership of the country in the alliance will not mean freezing war, the

guardian expert in particular is convinced, but rather it will become a warning for russia that it cannot prevent ukraine from joining the western defense bloc, and i think it will reduce russian ambitions. to attack the part of our country that is a member of nato, on the other hand, no, part cannot be a member of nato , only this country can be a member of nato, but the umbrella will function exclusively on the territories controlled by us, the umbrella will function exclusively on the controlled our territories, but the country can join nato only all its territorial integrity is internationally recognized, it is important to simply emphasize once again, because after this statement of the former secretary general of nato. talks began about the fact that we should pay for peace with the territories, and this must be clearly stated, first of all, no one says that we will pay for peace, there will be no peace, the russian federation does not want any peace, it wants to fight here for as long as possible , to the last ukrainian, so that she will fight on those territories where she can

fight, the question is what are the borders of these territory the former nato secretary general had in mind the idea of ​​localizing the conflict. that if we join nato , then they tell us, you know, the security of ukraine is guaranteed exclusively in these territories that are controlled by you, i even allow the option that russia does not claim, this can also be an option, here she wrote some stupid thing in our constitution, we think it's stupid, but we don't spread security guarantees, but we spread what it doesn't legally claim, we say in russia, but it's not yours territory, you definitely don't distribute, you don't have to here we give this territory a security guarantee, it's complete madness, of course, but it can also be like that, there may be nato member countries that will offer such an option, you understand, but in any case this is a way to localize the conflict, because russia will know for sure that if it crosses the red line , the demarcation line, then it is already a conflict not with

ukraine, ugh, but with nat, let's go the other way around, and does this idea not interfere with our the desire to recapture our territories, if we no one interferes with recapturing our territory, why am i interfering, well, if we become a member of the north atlantic alliance and the umbrella at least partially covers the territory of our country, will we not have to coordinate more carefully with our nato partners, all our movements towards the de-occupation of our territories, our territories. to kick, because they are afraid of a confrontation with russia, because we have already seen how missiles fall in poland and what kind of reaction it causes, for example, we see what the world in principle takes, and we cannot condemn them for this, a balanced position, because not wanting war and confrontation with a major nuclear power, it's normal, i believe that if no one will raise questions about

our territorial integrity, then as a sovereign state, we have every right to defend our borders, and i as a military political way, but why don't you want to look at it from the other side, if we are not a member of nato and do not receive security guarantees, will this not result in the loss of some more territory of ukraine, i.e. will not join the regions that are currently occupied by the russian federation a few more ukrainian regions, with a large number of refugees, with their transformation into subjects of the russian federation in quotation marks in the russian constitution with new sufferings of the ukrainian people. let it take place on the 24th, but on the 25th, 26th of the year , because i repeat, we are talking about a war that does not have its own temporal end and which is, one can say for the russian federation, a real festival of strength and self-respect, so to speak about the tevinist complex, which is now welcomed by the overwhelming majority of citizens

of the russian federation, we do not forget that vladimir putin, in his war and desire to destroy the ukrainian people, relies on the absolute support of the citizens of russia , who are sure that they are fighting for the territory of historical russia, for the return of which... any price can be paid, how to stop this influx of people who are sure , that they are fighting for their own, when we know for sure that they are fighting for someone else's, that's the question, i will tell you honestly that i do not think that the idea of ​​the former general secretary of naat will be implemented, most likely there is a negative option, rather than positive development of events, and therefore i looked at the possibility of an intermediate option, of course, we are unlikely to be members of nato, unless... the issue of our territorial integrity is not resolved. i don't even think that we will ever be members of the european union, if the issue of our territorial integrity is not resolved, because for many countries of the european union, it will be a match, and how we accept ukraine, and what we do with its territories, is how now the president

of moldova says that let's accept moldova without transnistria, and how? that is, between ukraine and moldova will be such an enclave, surrounded on all sides by the territories of the european union, but actually controlled by the russian federation illegitimately, i don't know, this is a question, the world is changing, it can be anything, but, i say for today, i would think that at the washington nato summit we should have received at least an invitation to the alliance, as part of this invitation we should have demanded security guarantees from the member countries, from the united states, from great britain, from the nuclear countries, as sweden and finland did when they submitted application to nato and received an invitation, and it is possible that in this situation we could receive such security guarantees, but in this situation on a limited territory it is not... a question of membership, but simply security guarantees for a certain territory, this

would not tie our hands and would stop russia as much as possible, because nato membership, to be honest, is an illusion, well, if you look at things realistically, it's very good that rasmosan is talking about it, and i, as you remember, said, told that such ideas are functioning, they have been functioning since the spring of last year, it's just that they finally became voiced, and there will be more and more people who will voice, since the war, so imagine now, the 21st month of the war, when 24 months will pass, and then 48, and then 56, and then 78, and then 122, and then 248, there will be even more such ideas, every year in the russian-ukrainian war and where, how to stop it, there will be more and more, unless of course they forget about it during wedge conflicts, and again, this is real, we understand , that we are in a conflict that looks long-lasting, because what gives impetus to our wo does not destroy it, but gives it a real nasnagi, russia literally lives on war, i don't know at all what they will do if

they end this war, they found it a second wind in this war, political, fortunately not economic, so there may be a thing here, but i would like , so that we stop it until these 48 months , 56, so that at least we localize the conflict , moreover, there is another danger, i think that the continuation of the russian-ukrainian war will fuel new conflicts, that is close the east is not an accidental conflict, no, we are you talked about this in past programs, there will be a lot of new things, but it is clear that now , when sizenpin met with joseph biden, he is preparing for new conflicts, he just wants these conflicts to be discussed, so that there is a consultation mechanism, so as not to go beyond some framework to feel safe when the united states will stand behind some proxy forces, especially since when china will stand behind some proxy forces that will paralyze the united states, the more so,

you see, the chinese already benefit from all this, from look, the russo-ukrainian war, russia is weakening, the west is weakening, ukraine is weakening, everything is just lying there, ready for economic conquest, the entire territory of europe and eurasia, a few more years, china will increase its opportunities, come up with something on its own... china is not growing , he is in a situation of marginalization, and then he needs to marginalize, marginalize all of us even more, so that the situation here, in this conditional world from vladivostok to lisbon, is worse than in china, and then he can beat it, ugh, and so of course it is very important to him that we fight each other, that russia attacks ukraine, that ukraine receives help from europe, that europe spends resources to help ukraine, this is a wonderful situation, but in this situation we must not quarrel with america. that is why the bipolar world in sydzenpin's editorial office,

where we will be marginal, and china will negotiate with the americans on cooperation. that's all, the fact that putin, in fact, contrary to not only our, but also russian interests, creates such a world for svidzenpino, this is the level of his madness, simply because in fact, russia has no place in this world, especially as an independent player. colleagues from the woll street journal note that scy in the united states has not, has not made any attempt to bring back american investors who have distanced themselves in recent years, and why, because the economic situation, we talked about it, they do not have a very good time in china, and they were, should be interested in this, but xi jinping is not making these attempts, well, maybe because we overestimate his economic competence. or maybe because he wants to blackmail the united states, if he invites american investors, then they

realize that he needs them, and shizen pinn is one of those players. wants to come to him, he is the emperor, the red emperor, the first red emperor after mao, and he wants these investors to come to him, especially since we can see from the behavior of people like elon musk that he has right, that sooner or later certain people will definitely turn to him, here a lot will depend on the extent to which it will be possible to move and repurpose production, which is now located on the territory of the people's republic of china, india. mexico, mexico could become the burial ground of the chinese economy, now many observers say that mexico is becoming the new economic tiger, as you understand, for americans to locate production in mexico, it is a lot and a lot more, it is just there that needs to be overcome with the help of ships, all these

tankers, all these huge steamships that run... between oceans, just get on a truck, and in a few hours you're in the right place, what's up with mexico, vivala mexico, and i really want mexico to put an end to chinese influence on the world economy, so that china takes the place it should occupy in the economy of an asian country that must find its own ways to economic development, and this is possible until... the destruction of the regime of the communist party of china and the democratization of this country and the unification of taiwan with china under the flag of taiwan, and not under the flag of beijing. do you think this is possible someday? i think democracy always wins, even if it takes decades of waiting, because an authoritarian mode is always ineffective. of course, along the way he will spill rivers of blood, tens of millions of people will die, but after that he

will lose. let's move a little closer to our domestic topics, volodymyr zelenskyy said that russia has actually included another disinformation plan, which is codenamed maidan, referring to the uprising in 2004 and 2014 in the central square of our capital. our intelligence has information that has also come from our partners. for them, the maidan is a coup, so the operation is understandable, says zelenniaskyi, in communication with foreign journalists. to be honest, i tried to feel the connotation of this turn of maidan-3 from the mouth of the ukrainian president, and i think i caught something so unpleasant for him, very often, i understand that the president was talking about maidan 3, precisely the russian interpretation of the maidan , and not his, said that the maidan for them is a coup, not for us, as we know, the maidans were not coups, yes, first of all, yes, but, but

again, the maidan is for the politicians who are in power at the time of the realization of this revolution, it is well, it is not always a good story, both maidans ended with a decision that will be taken by the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and what is more , the round of presidential elections that was later confirmed by the supreme court of ukraine, and regarding the resignation of president viktor yanukovych, who left our country, all these decisions adopted by the deputies, in the current supreme council, the servant party has the majority. people, whose deputies appeared in the session hall only thanks to one single circumstance, that the president of ukraine volodymyr campaigned for them zelenskyi, these deputies owe their careers to one single person, and i don't really understand how they can stage a coup, so i don't understand what it is about, maybe the president has more

information, maybe he means , that such a coup can take place outside the parliamentary hall, but then the question arises: what will be the legitimacy of the government that will be established in kyiv, what kind of government will it be, who will obey it, again, if we imagine russia, then of course in russia with its centralism is enough to capture the kremlin, so that all the regions of the russian federation, although i don’t know now, by the way, but this was the case before, swore to the new new government, this was the case in 1991, this is true, because the vast majority of the russian regions, not the majority, all except moscow and st. -petersburg, supported. gkachp , but gkchp was not supported only there by moscow, the moscow city hall headed by gavrii popov and his deputy yuri lushkov and the st. petersburg city hall headed by anatoly supchuk and his deputy volodymyr putin. but everyone else supported, that's it as a result, those who were against the gpp won, and all the other regions said, well, that's