[000:00:00;00] extra-parliamentary pool, but then the question arises, what will be the legitimacy of the power that will be established in kyiv, what kind of power will it be, who will obey it, again, if we imagine russia, then of course in russia with its centralism it is enough to seize the kremlin, that all the regions of the russian federation, although i don't know how now, by the way, but it was like that before, swore to the new new government, that's how it was in 1991, it's true, because the vast majority of russian regions, not the majority, all... except moscow and st. petersburg were supported by the gkkp. well, no only moscow, the moscow city hall headed by havriy popov and his deputy yury lushkov and the st. petersburg city hall headed by anatoly stivchuk and his deputy volodymyr putin did not support the communist party of ukraine. but everyone else was supportive. so, as a result, those who were against the gachp won, and all other regions said: "well,

that's how it should be." and in this situation, one could think that in russia now, if there is a putsch, then the one who wins will rule, but in ukraine , the situation is completely different, as you remember, even during maidan in 2013-14, our regional authorities did not agree with viktor yanukovych's actions, and i also imagine that now some person would seize power in kyiv, in which of the ukrainian regions would agree to make decisions. connected with the orders of this person, maybe only pushy people, not beekeepers, would do it, they are no longer in a circle, but they are subjects of the russian federation, well , in quotation marks, yes, in quotation marks, of course, in benches for sure, and in any in any case, well , the subjects of the russian federation by themselves, not donetsk and luhansk regions, and in this situation, of course i don't really believe in it, so i don't understand what it is about, but this is the president's conversation with journalists, well, maybe

he wanted to somehow. emphasize the destabilizing activities of the russian federation, i admit that this is so, and recently there is a lot of information, which, again, fortunately, is not confirmed, about the possibility of resignations in the military leadership of our country, we talked about this with you last week , this week again there was such information, it again did not find confirmation, and the ministry the defense of ukraine had to come out and say, everything is okay, in principle there are no problems. and at least we definitely don’t have such plans, maybe the president of ukraine is talking about this particular coup, when in the declarations of martial law the military can take power, well , for what and what, why should the military obey if they take power, why at all we are discussing some kind of conspiracy, i am not talking about reshuffles in the military command, these are the prerogatives of the political leadership of the country, i think citizens may have

sympathy for certain figures there, in military command, but they are also created on the basis of information in the media, and not on the fact that we know exactly who performs which functions, who does what, this must also be realized, and if we have an effective tandem of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine , the president of ukraine, the commander-in-chief, the commander of the armed forces, general zaluzhnyi, these are the personnel decisions, the personnel bases on which the effective work of the armed forces of ukraine is currently based, but it may be different, and so what. tell me, and you understand, the results and, in general, the purpose of the visit of ours, i emphasize the government delegation and the head of the president's office andriy yermak to the united states, the other day this, well, if we also need to have a conversation with american government officials, taking into account the difficult situation that is now with our support, that

many call it a fair with traveled to the united states, so the head of the office of the president of ukraine performs duties that correspond to the duties of the national security advisor to the president, he is a confidant of the national security advisor to the president of the united states, poliyan, he played exactly the same role when there were consultations with the russians, he played the role of a confidant, the deputy head of the administration of the president of russia dmitry kozak, so the question is not what the position is called, the question is what functions a person performs, if. andriy yermak is perceived in washington as a person who consults with mr. stalivno, so who should go to the united states, i do not understand, uh, he should not go, that is, put aside all questions about this, of course, this is an official duties, if the president has some other person who can perform those duties informally, we don't have that position, the secretary of the national defense security council is another position, if the president feels that the head of his office is performing similar duties within the administration, similar to those

performed by mr. salvan within the administration. president, they should meet and talk, that's all, what questions, uh, well, thank you for this thesis, and operation pinocchio, many, many in ukraine this week shook you know, this has never happened, and here again, in fact, deputy dubinsky is now suspected of treason, and we return to the thesis that the ukrainian parliament contains a large number of completely different personnel who passed into the verkhovna rada, actually under different brands , and sometimes even under the brand of president zelenskyi, it is not excluded that scoundrels could get into the verkhovna rada, again, law enforcement agencies should dot the courts. the solution should come first, but what is this story about? about the fact that the parliament is a mirror of society, the citizens of ukraine voted for mr. dzubinka, as far as i remember, he is not at all a deputy from the lists, or a deputy from the lists, i no longer remember whether he was elected by

the majority vote, mine is from the majority, but you better check, well, yes, this is a question not only of the responsibility of the president of ukraine , under whose brand, indeed, this famous tv journalist and colleague of volodymyr zelenskyi on tv channel 1.1 became a people's deputy of ukraine, and this is also a question for the people who he was voted by those who watched him television programs, yes, this is not a noname, you understand, in the servant of the people party 95% are nonames, people unknown to anyone, and the people who voted for them can say, oh, but we didn’t know anything, we are not for anything we answer, we just really like volodymyr oleksandrovich zelensky, what don't you like, he is the best president who was in ukraine, and we can hear it, but you can't say the same about dubinsky, if you see a person on a television screen, you you know who it is, that's all, that's the answer. in general, for everything that happens in our country the majority that votes for something is always responsible, you understand, ugh, the president said that each of us is the president, and if you

vote for an fsb agent, it doesn’t matter, each of you is an fsb agent, who voted for him, you can’t say that , well, you can’t, probably, but next time be careful, the 94th district of kyiv region, the dubinsky case, i ’m saying this because everyone, you know, people, we are small people, we were given a name here, we voted, it doesn’t happen like that , you are citizens of ukraine, not russia, they vote for it in russia everything that slips, the hero of your sympathies , president vladimir putin, in ukraine you should vote for those whom you consider worthy of the deputy mandate, all the more so, i repeat, deputy dubinsky, when he was a journalist, did not do anything special. he had a well-known evolution, at first he was an economic journalist there, he wrote some texts about the economy, i remember it well, because i talked to him a lot at that time, he was a guest on many of my broadcasts, and then some kind of political transformation took place, i think related to

due to his acquaintance with a well-known ukrainian oligarch, who is also currently in detention, this may have happened earlier, because when i am now analyzing the economic experts whom sasha recommended to me for the programs. then all these people later turned out to be in a camp that was, to put it mildly, unsavory, to put it mildly, connected to viktor yanukovych with pro-russian forces, which means he was targeting them even then, but then somehow he and they managed to hide it, in at some point they must have decided that there was no longer any need to hide, that they had already seized it an oligarch by the beard, that's all, and everything became clear, but not only that. everything became clear to me, to all ukrainians, i just made one conclusion, and the vast majority of ukrainian citizens made others. now, thanks to this conclusion, we live in the realities in which we live and have no real chance to get out of these realities during the lifetime of these voters.

uh, pessimistic, but guys, not from war , okay, do you have some reservations, fears , maybe about how many of these nets, and agents maybe, again, we are waiting for the results of the work of law enforcement bodies, incorporated in fact into our system, into the state system, into various institutions, can i explain something to you, come on, we don't have any state system, but look at the countries that joined the european union, from the former soviet republics or socialist countries, latvia, lithuania, estonia, what they did in 1991, even earlier. imagine that earlier, i was at a meeting of the lithuanian parliament, even before the collapse of the soviet union, where the new prosecutor general of the republic of lithuania, arturas paulaas, was appointed, who was tasked with forming

the new prosecutor general 's office of the republic of lithuania, because it was believed that the people who were the heads of the prosecutor general's office of the lithuanian ssr were not lithuanian prosecutors. the general prosecutor's office of the lithuanian ssr cannot be the prosecutor's office of lithuania, because it is not lithuania, but an occupied territory, in 1991, after lithuania finally regained its independence and the soviet troops had to go after its territories, the soviet troops had to go after its territories, ugh, a new army, a state committee was formed security of the lithuanian ssr was closed, its employees were dismissed, all employees of almost all state institutions of the lithuanian ssr were created.

two structures, maybe some people there remained in the criminal bodies of the ministry of internal affairs, but i am also not sure, because as far as i remember, many people who were simply policemen or militiamen there, we recertified them, or simply dismissed them, of all the baltic countries, the same, as you understand, was the case in poland or in the east in germany, i assure you, i had acquaintances who worked in the ministry of foreign affairs of the german democratic republic, uh, very democratically minded intelligent people, what do you think, not... then they worked in the ministry of foreign affairs of the federal republic of germany, they were dismissed from the civil service , i am not talking about people who worked in the stasi, all these archives were opened and all citizens of the former gdr could come and see what these people did in general, no, well, not every one of them was put in prison there, but they were simply banned to engage in civil service, this is a kind of lustration of all civil servants, the same was the case with the leaders, the majority of the leaders of the union republics in the baltic, no one prevented them from doing... business, they simply stopped engaging in political

activities of the state, the vast majority of these people who were in the governing bodies of the cpsu. now, what happened in ukraine? we renamed the military districts located on our territory into the ukrainian army, the people who served in these districts in the soviet army simply swore to ukraine, then we were surprised that they did not really want to defend ukraine, and they in general, in general , who, where are they from, that they are ukrainian or what, these are just people who appeared on this territory at the time of august 24, 1991, could appear in vladivostok , the state security committee of the ukrainian ssr was renamed the security service of ukraine, all state institutions remained in their places , all of them, when i filled out the documents of a civil servant there in 2014, which fortunately did not happen, i spoke with

the official who headed this entire service inspections since the time when vitaly andriyovych masol was the head of the council of ministers of the ukrainian ssr and retained his position until the maidan of 2013-14, and this is what happened to the vast majority of civil servants, but civil servants, god be with them, a personnel officer can be an experienced person and have such experience that you and i will never have in terms of analyzing all the cases and so on, but the kgb, he. on combating violations of state secrets there or something else in the ministry of internal affairs, and local branches of special services, and the ministry i apologize to the defense, and the general staff of the armed forces with people who all graduated from the academy named after yakubovsky, malinovsky and others, and you, the state, the state system, how many of them are infiltrated, you have to put it.

the question is different: how many people who work in the state system of the ukrainian state came to it in new times and are not connected with the old system, how many people were not agents of the state security committee of the soviet union, how many people were not recruited after that, our the last head of the kgb of the ukrainian ssr, general mykola galushko. became one of the first ministers of state security of the russian federation, we are talking about andriy derkach, who is now under us sanctions and has quietly left somewhere, unlike dubinsky, and his father was the head of the security service of ukraine. our head of the security service, comrade yakemenka, i am not talking about all the other comrades of the security forces, went with ... all i think all the lists of agents to

moscow in 2014, the 14th year, only 10 years ago, please tell me i did not accidentally talk there with a person who worked in the apparatus of the sbu, maybe even now works, he did not tell me, i asked him the same question that i asked in 1996, 2004, 2009, please tell me how you work, i am interested in the agency. ugh, comrade colonel, i can imagine that you want to recruit me, i am a person who still has some rivet in his head, i definitely understand that you will transfer all the information in your brain, well, not you. and your superiors, okay, because you wrote everything down, i signed everything, and tomorrow, or in a month, the fact that i work for the security service of ukraine does not even matter where, it is on people of lubyanka, with my signatures and photos,

what would i have to do with you if i am the owner of some valuable information, information, and he tells me, yes, really. you're right, we operate without documents, we hide information from our superiors all our lives because we fear what you're talking about, you know that when the central intelligence agency decided to work with our security service, they created a separate agency that has no no connection with other departments of the sbu, and when it is, it's a mess decided to work with the security service of ukraine, it created another department, separate departments, employees who, in principle, do not communicate with their colleagues, and this is how, do you not think that this system cannot function in principle, in principle, it cannot to function, citizens have no confidence in it, partners have

no confidence in it, the state leadership will think 3000 times what is happening if you even appoint a person. his, how to say, close friend, the head of the sbu, ugh, then such troubles await you too, as it happened, with the post-election appointment of the head of the sbu, that you do not even know how you will get out of this situation, well, maybe the problem is that the head was so-so, despite the fact that what a great friend, well, maybe, but how to appoint another, where will you take him, he will get confused, and i forgot about the prosecutor's office, which also remained, formed and whose head went to moscow in the 14th year, oh, courts, courts, partnov, my god, do you remember those conversations of kuchma, where he said, part of the courts i control it, but not all of it, because some of it is controlled by the frost, but let's now talk about european integration, if i

were a european commissioner, on the day when it was necessary to sign an agreement with ukraine, i would first shoot myself in such a situation, we need to reform this system of public administration, we need real lustration processes, we need young people, we need to clearly understand what happened to all this agency, let's go back to 2014, lustration processes, cleansing, cleansing power, virginity, at least for a certain time of people who made, in particular, political decisions in our country of the respective positions, we went through all this, we tried to harmonize our legislation. with these positions, we rested, in particular, the reformers who were very interested in this, yes, rested on the thesis that what and where to take such a large number of people in return, well , we are not satisfied with how the judicial system works, and we are very humanistic to hang labels , that all ukrainian judges, they have all been told where to get

new ones, remember how the supreme court of appeals cannot appoint a large number of judges, because they simply do not apply for the competition, and so on, and so on. what is wrong with changing the beds in the brothel, the quality of service does not change, the brothel must be closed, well, i made myself clear, clearly , i don't, well, no, i can, no, i can, if you want, i 'll explain the reform-reformation program to you, i can, here i have always said that we need real lustration mechanisms, not lustration of officials, but lustration of members, the head of totalitarian and populist bodies. parties, all this was not developed, a large number of people again found themselves in the verkhovna rada, who worked for moscow, and in 2019, they only strengthened their positions on the cusp of a populist triumph, i mean the party of viktor medvedchuk, of course, and although they did not get into the parliament in the 14th year, medvechuk with rabinovych and the campaign, in 19

- they were already on the horse, i talked about it, but we said that we can't mirror the deputies, we can't, let them live better on the capfer, as now is the best. deputies in the history of ukrainian parliamentarism are there and still do not lose their influence and opportunities, or the longevity of firtash inter, i'm already confused, who is now the master of our, of our life, as you said about lishka , in principle, the same story, what's the difference, well, the truth is, and in this sense, i think that it should be done, maybe after this war, when it's over, you'll have to come back to it again. well, it's a complicated story, i, we, what can i tell you, we've lost 30 years, uh, if you don't... treat a disease for 30 years, then instead of putting, you know, an anti

-inflammatory ointment on your hand, you have to cut off the hand, yes it happens, well, who is to blame if you don’t have a head on your shoulders, the main thing is that your head is not chopped off, we now have another problem in the existence of the state, but i just told you about the state, when we start looking for these fleas, ugh, in this dog, then we must understand that the problem is in the dog itself, it is not a flea, an fsb agent, but a dog, okay, you and i have reached an interesting moment, in my opinion, let 's finish, after all, we will look not far, but beyond the ukrainian border. last program we talked about the fact that polish carriers, are on strike, this week the slovaks are joining them, and we understand that this is imposed, probably due to the ethical situation in this country, maybe some of our neighbors will join

the strike themselves in this format, the demand is simple, as i understand it, it is still to balance the rules of work in the european union, so that the eu members, after all, were somehow in balance with the carriers of the non-member countries, this is an animal farm. we signed the association agreement, created all the conditions to advance further to the eu. now we are conducting, we are going to conduct negotiations about the eu, the european union has created the same conditions for us as for any other country, members of the european union, polish carriers or farmers there before that want us to exist in the regime of a non-member of the european union, this is a matter of solidarity and a question decision of the european commission, and polish carriers, polish farmers owe their well-being, not only to their own labor efforts, which we sincerely respect, to the help they received from the european union, so that their industries

could withstand competition with their respective industries of the countries of the european union, if it were not for this aid, these subsidies, there would be no polish farmers and no polish transporters, because that sector of the economy, which was in the countries of western europe, was much more efficient, strong and could whatever you want to do, the whole idea is that the european union supports the economic sectors in the member countries, now in the european union, it is just necessary that our economic sectors also do not disappear, and it seems to me, our neighbors have to respect, and this is a question of intergovernmental negotiations, negotiations with workers, it is generally normal when workers protect their interests, that is how the world works in general, we need to talk about it, and of course for these workers absolutely everything is in the interests of other workers, even if these are all other workers will simply die of hunger, this has always been the case in the history of mankind, brave proletarians have always taken the places of their strikers, comrades, so that their wives and this proletarian solidarity, as we remember, is written like this in all the books on the theory of marxism, leninism,

that is why the french did not like the belgian miners, the french miners, and the belgian french women, that each one was always ready to take the place of his beloved comrade and how to snatch a piece of bread from his mouth, preferably from the mouth of a five-year-old child, that that's right, and now we see the same thing, that's the way to talk, of course, so as not to get ripped off, but in principle. we must think and we must also tell our dear polish carriers and polish farmers what they will do if we become members of the european union, what they will piece of bread, maybe now we should think about the mechanisms for protecting their industries, about joint agreements, about conducting negotiations for the future, all this should be part of our european integration, not a quarrel with him, but an agreement that would also help us, our industries to preserve the economy and for them to preserve their own interests, but to make them understand that simply the way it was, it will no longer be, the way it was after their entry, it was never like that in france and germany, as it was, but they were taken, and it would be better not to take it,

maybe it was french, farmers and german it would be much better, well, we, listen, well, we know that even now french farmers are running after german cars, and throwing their butter and oil and meat right on the roads, which they did not sell, we do not need, in everything is better for us in france and certainly better for the french. french, because it is more expensive for the germans, german, because it is cheaper , and the germans, when poland joined the european union, they began to travel and buy milk from polish farmers, and left german farmers without a piece of bread, because their milk was more expensive and they are just bigger money was spent to grow all this, so that the cows grazed on the alpine logs, and the polish permers did not bother and therefore won this competition for a certain time. and now they will go to the ukrainian farmers, the polish farmers will cry and say: how are our cows? there will be problems with your cows, but this always happens when the european union expands, for us, the main thing is

not to go to the russian cows, it is not tasty there. milk, although on the other hand, it is in vologda, in the vologda region not bad, better than in many other regions of europe, if they are beautiful, the main thing is that no one knows that they did not go there, we only say this among ourselves, we will not tell anyone, we do not need to go to russia, everything is terrible there, sit here, our milk , the best milk in europe, well, i don't know if everything is bad in russia, but our food, milk in europe, isn't it, delistiva, norasha, norasha. well, well, you see, we're already starting the campaign in europe, that's great, you know, i'm more for saying whoop when let's skip ahead, but we can now sell our milk to factories in european countries under those conditions, but we will remove the restrictions,

we generally have many options from those that are not... available in countries that are in the same situation as ours, well that is, we understand that the war has, even if it didn't sound pricey, certain such nice bonuses, economic preferences, which are given to us, that our economy could somehow flourish, because i'm not sure that these are preferences, if we lost half there economy, i don't know what preferences it can make up for it, but in any case, agree that i am just hysterical, we will not solve anything here, because we have to realize what interests are being guided by these people who are currently blocking ukrainian border posts, or have previously blocked the import of ukrainian grain, this is not some there is a big world law, it's a simple idea that they want to make money and that they want to make money in a comfortable atmosphere, we want too, we just can't exclude all tv channels, and some can, that's why they created a marathon, just throw out competitors instead

it is possible to, as it is called, it is called a marathon on the fields and roads of the republic of poland. to say the experience of ukrainian television, the export of ukrainian television experience to the civilized world, and for some reason we do not like it, but we like the marathon , well, well, briefly summarizing this topic, can poles, slovaks, in the perspective of hungarians, have any problems with the european union as a result of such about the actions of individual carriers or farmers there, and if so, is it in our interests, or after all in our in the interests of harmony, joint consultations of the european commission, poland, slovakia... maybe hungary and ukraine, the solution of all these problems, because to think that we can simply throw hats at everyone, including hungarians, is absolutely not a realistic wish for us will have to be reluctantly engaged in a difficult negotiation process with comrade viktor orbán and comrade peter siatto and other excellent comrades who would rather talk with comrade vladimir putin than with us,

but since they are being given pennies in brussels, they will talk to us too. without great enthusiasm, but they will talk, money is the big driver of the economy, i said that too, uh, i don’t know who we think, smith or karl marx, who is closer to viktor orban, i still don’t fully understand, let’s hope, that smith, this can give a certain impetus to our negotiation process, and one way or another we must prepare for this and make this process professional, on this we can certainly complete our excellent b. with khrystyna, i apologize for my excessive emotionality, thank you you for this emotionality, i do not consider it excessive, you have the right, vitaly portnikov and the saturday political club, khrystyna yatsky, we will meet again soon, of course, of course

, have a good evening, i win, the cold weather is coming, what the armed forces of ukraine managed to do in the spring, summer offensive campaign , and what should we expect next? the situation on the borders, on the northern borders of ukraine, the russians are strengthening their positions, on the western side, polish carriers are blocking the passage of our trucks, about this and much more later in the issue. on whose side is the advantage? what the armed forces succeeded in the spring-summer offensive and what was lacking for our effective advancement and liberation of territories. they do not retreat and block the border. the poles continue not to let ukrainian trucks through. the negotiations did not yield results. the eu warns that if a solution is not found, the european commission will start criminal proceedings against

poland, and the protesters threaten to block another, fourth,