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of good day and one social pharmacy ointment of 100 g, with a 20% discount. the world is changing, and so is the casserole. greetings, dear tv viewers, the west studio program is on the air. we will analyze the most important events. this week, and they will undoubtedly have an impact on the development of upcoming events. our guests today are valery chaly and andrii pienkovskyi. now valery shaly, a former extraordinary, will work on the air of the channel plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states, a prominent ukrainian diplomat. glory to ukraine, mr. ambassador, i congratulate you. glory to the hero, congratulations. well, the key story, we understand, is not banal, we can even say a memorable meeting. in particular, it is about the forum in san francisco.

president biden and xi jinping met, we understand that we will not know everything, because probably the main trends discussed took place behind closed doors, that is , they will not be included in any official communiqués, but we understand that there are several extremely important issues, well and we in ukraine are of course interested in how much russian aggression will depend on xi jinping and how sharply the president of the united states will be able to formulate what are called the requirements of a collective measure. your vision. if we talk about this meeting, it is really a significant one. i don't think it's historical, that's how it's been described mostly , zmi, regional, i mean southeast asian region, and chinese and indian, first of all, but that's not how it was said either in america or in europe . why, because everyone understands. that it is quite so intermediate

the meeting is somewhat forced, it is forced by the fact that the relations between the united states and china really affect the global level of the economy and also security, and here the situation has turned out that in a year these relations have been seriously affected by certain steps from both sides, so there was tension, and this situation arose here, china is not ready for any serious confrontation with the usa, the usa does not need it today either, and i will tell my version here, which i have not heard anywhere in the ukrainian media or even in the american media. in general , i believe that the key word in these victories there was the word election. for joseph biden, the key issue now, in fact, let's not say, is a political issue, winning the presidential election next year.

for, also, the elections of the republic of china on january 13 next year, and they are already in place, that is, china can wait, because the situation there is unclear, and china actually says that it wants to control taiwan, how to control it does not matter to them, whether by military means or by means of change authorities in taiwan, they will wait, and therefore both sides needed a pause, a pause that would reduce this tension, make it appear to the whole world that both leaders are achieving their results, including domestic politics, and in fact, everything that will follow , what we will see, the intensification of contacts, there will be meetings of the commission, that's all for this, pre-election year, and then after the elections, the situation, well, you'll see, it will only get worse, because objectively, these are different... visions, different systems, different

countries, and china's proposal, the world is big, let's go let's share it, well, what was said simple, by the way very surprised. i am surprised how sdenpin said it frankly, that the world is big, let's have a place for everyone, not everyone, not everyone, but there will be a place for china and the usa, let's divide the world into two, and if you read carefully, read, that is, what was published officially by the american side after the meeting, this proposal was rejected, but it is possible that the united states will somehow be able to hint to some people from china that it is worth working with its, let's call them that, undiplomatically, vassals, in particular the russian the federation, iran, north korea, so that they can reduce their aggressive degrees a little, well, it would be very naive to imagine that china will suddenly change its position in one meeting,

will not allow putin to act aggressively now and will move away from their approaches, their approaches are very clear, they don't need aggravation. they definitely played already, well, it’s a plus to prevent nuclear blackmail, this was last year, they were hit on the hands normally from all sides and this is a positive step by china, everything else, unfortunately, it allows putin to continue the war, and china could do more, do this he doesn't want it anymore, based on his own interests, how it will change further, let's see, the usa clearly. in the same release, after the meeting, chidout noted the importance of the issue of supporting ukraine, as it says, the sovereignty of ukraine and the ability of ukraine to defend itself from aggression, well, this means the supply of weapons, it means constant support, that is, here it is, you know, it has already

been hammered out like this on paper, i think the chinese will not like the redoubt very much, the american one, because they have fixed all their positions there, which they had before, and if they they agreed on something, maybe they talked about a certain reduction of tensions in the pacific-asian region, right there , and well, hardly a request, but experts say that joseph biden could, if he insisted that china influence north korea, in order to , so that it does not supply the same projectiles to russia, well, theoretically, maybe, but practically with the same, north korea, you know, there is a small one, even its own border, that is, between russia, north korea, if, for example, at least a border well, it was closed by china, then something could be said to them, and they, and they can just make excuses like that, so i don't expect

it to change anything, it will get better on our side, but it won't get worse, also, it would also be very strange on the part of china after such a meeting. whether to further play along with the escalation, throw firewood into the fire, yes, that is, it would be strange if it was perceived, so the status quo will be in this situation in ukraine, and the status quo, in our conditions, is not bad for the general future victory, well, of course, so that the allies would only strengthen their current efforts. mr. ambassador, the summit at san francisco was preceded by a visit by yermak, head of the office of the ukrainian president. what do you think mr. yermak might have brought to the united states? well, because, as they say, a strange coincidence. just a couple of days before the meeting between president biden and xi jinping, this meeting took place, that is, it was a conversation about american money to

support our economy, or maybe it was about some, i don't know, more far-sighted strategic things. strategic things are determined. unfortunately, they are not defined in washington and in kyiv now, well, this is a sign very clear, if the strategic partnership commission were to pass, perhaps strategic things, and this is how we react to the fact that today, this visit is in no way connected with apec or meeting there, the leaders of china and the usa, it is connected more with. .. an invitation from the united states, and quite so quickly, to come to congress to lobby for financing ukraine, you know, the situation is not easy now, of the three scenarios that we have talked about for a long time, but for some reason our

authorities assessed the most optimistic one that would go the most optimistic, but gone now and is going the worst, actually for today , going not the worst, when eh, in the games of these political one group of republicans, which included the speaker of the house of representatives, mike johnson, they want to actually push back the question of providing aid. ukraine, and there it is not known what will happen next, the fact that there will be a decrease is already visible, by the way, the delegation was also quite strange in our country, but it is good that in principle, at least in this format, but clarify be kind, so that you were surprised well, half of such delegations are employees of the cabinet of ministers, and half of them are from the president's office, i can't remember them. two delegations have already broken through, apparently, well, i know why this is done, because unlike

in ukraine, where we have, the president's office now plays the role of the government, in fact, yes, and the cabinet of ministers is simply an appendage, well, the executive is already an element of decisions , relevant directions in the president's office, we know this system, and at this level, the head of the president's office, well, someone is joking, the vice president. we have such there is no position, but as one politician in ukraine once said, he is not the first, but not the second, for ukrainian politics, yes, that is, for american politics, there is a protocol and there, chief of staff, and chivstav does not even have the opportunity to meet at the airport a normal protocol, and the representative of the government has, that's why such a delegation is inserted, this is the person who leads the delegation, well, it looks funny, but but... the americans have already come to terms with it, they know our specifics, that's why, that's why i say it

's strange, but maybe it's good that it turned out like that they talked precisely about economic issues, where there is also a block, well, in this package, yes , that is, without money it will be very difficult, there are 11.8 billion americans now, the white house invited, not even 13, as it was last year, 11, 8 and this money is what goes directly to the budget, for the payment of salaries, pensions, etc. it is not only the americans, it is the japanese, there is the european union, other countries, but the fate of the americans is great. and this money can simply be blocked, military-technical cooperation, i don’t think they will be blocked, after all, but this money can to block, so the fact that there was a meeting in congress was good, unfortunately, there was no meeting with mike johnson. by the way, mike johnson has military interests in the district . i know the details there, we could talk there, but that's it. mitch mccone, well, we met, there is no result, now we can see what will happen next, but for a few weeks we

will again observe this development in this way, we need to change our approach, not to go at the last moment, but to work systematically, well, i can say this, in principle, a delegation of evangelists went, well, the church ones were there evangelists, and mike johnson, you know, he is a supporter of the church, how could he not feel such religious unity with his brothers in ukraine, unfortunately, that is, you can say, there were elements of such a systematic approach, but everything was done at the last moment, and you have to work there for more than one month in his district, you need letters to come from his district to the office, well, staffers, what you read and brought to him every day, what is called his voters, then there will be a result, so it is more like a trip of this delegation.. . was tied to two issues, lobbying

financial assistance to ukraine, here is the support of the white house in this matter, and the second is an explanation of the situation, what is called, what is happening on the front, what is the situation, in order to brief the national security adviser, jake sullivan, who can further use it for formation of president biden's position, we understand how difficult the situation is with our ukrainian budget, in particular, it is about the deficit, which we hoped to close, so to speak, with the help of american appropriations in particular, and i also think that in the united states the states understand very well that it is not only about money, but about the internal climate in ukraine , we understand what will happen, how much the situation will escalate, if, for example, i do not know whether inflation will increase, whether there will be delays in payments, and so on and so forth further, everyone already knows this schedule , how many crumbs, but i will tell you this, if you read carefully , analyze what 51.4 is called for ukraine, nothing like that, but from the word

absolutely, no, of these 61.4 billion, for the military directions, well, just for the purchase of weapons, fmf 1.7, plus 12 billion for usaai, this is an initiative for the aid of ukraine , it is about 14, 18 billion for armaments there, it is the replenishment of the warehouses in america with the latest weapons, they gave us something, and in return they buy the newest weapons there for themselves for this amount. theoretically, well, theoretically, next year you can take it from there, yes, pda, the presidential program , that is, you can say that this money may or may not go to ukraine, in fact, that is, if further, humanitarian aid, there really is a new package half a million for almost ukrainians, who are now, well, as refugees in the usa, but in fact,

let's be honest, those ukrainians also have to find a job already. for this time, they were given work permits, that is, i am a conservative here in this regard, let our ukrainians use the time already, let them already provide for themselves a little there, especially since half of them did not come from ukraine, let 's be honest, but from poland, from europe, those who found this window in order to move to the usa, that is, already here you can see if the republicans look at refugees, they are really meticulous, there is a humanitarian. help, but the main thing is, you know, what the problem is the main thing, no matter how this money is distributed, because it has not been distributed there yet , there are initiatives from israel, taiwan, ukraine, there are different ones, no matter how they are distributed, there is some kind of plan for the year, but if you take this document, it read carefully, it is not only about money, but about directions, as the usa sees, well, i think so, in coordination with

ukraine, how it will be done, in terms of internally related persons, in terms of pensions, there salaries, in terms of the rule of law, in non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, on border control, of all elements there biological weapons, i.e. this is all, if removed, then these directions may not be in such a volume, that's what the problem is, it's not only money, it's also mechanisms of cooperation between the two countries, and in this respect it's not even so critical that no the entire amount will be there, but it needs to remain at least in that list of questions. now very briefly to your specific question, inflation or not inflation, i will explain very simply, imagine that you just have a hole in your family budget, but some expense is large, and you have a hole, you don’t a third of the money is enough. and you

counted on them, but they are not there. what are the options, well , there are no different options. or you, well, just save, yes, the family saves, or takes some kind of loan somewhere, so in this case, to save, the country, how will it be, to print money, well, that is, to print the hryvnia, so, of course, this will affect inflation, in in the future, the exchange rate there may also be influenced by foreign currency exchange rates, but there may be another scenario, they may replace... this money with others, for example, we had david cameron, the newly appointed arrived immediately the minister of funeral affairs of britain, the former prime minister, yes , who has been a friend of ukraine for many years, and he said, right away, literally days have passed since the appointment, that ukraine is a priority, so you can expect that somewhere, well, there will be compensation for certain american problems for this period, if

there is no government, they consider it ours today. official and president volodymyr zelenskyi stated this in an interview with african journalists, he said that either he will have to cut the payment of the military, which is impossible from my point of view, or save on social programs, which from my point of view will lead to internal problems and russia will take advantage, but no one said, let 's look at our programs in the budget, what is written there, i will show you with my finger... 60 million, 120 million, where you can calmly hold on, at least for a year or two until victories, that is, you should not say that there is no money, there is money, you just need to use it correctly, and do not look at the reduction of the civil service, again, civil servants, for example, people think that this is the civil service , and all of them are selected by deputies

and the civil service, it's not true, people, believe me, it's not true, you look at the numbers , what's happening, that is... what kind of payment goes there, something can be optimized, i don't argue, something can still be optimized, but at the expense of unnecessary projects, it's necessary to do, and i can agree here, even in this case with the official authorities , and we need to look at the regions, it is not normal when a road to resorts is being built for half a billion, it is not normal in the conditions of war, it is not normal when roads are being built and asphalted in kyiv, and i don't care about names, who it is, i just see it as kyivan, why are some now, well, i can say as a motorist, why are these roads now a war, what to do with them? they are normal in order to wait for a while, and so on, there are a lot of reserves , in the end they buy cars from us, state institutions 100 pieces, modern

cars, people, volunteers collect them for the front there, 100 pieces here, are purchased , look, i will give you a simple solution, the first days of last year in kyiv were driving, everyone was driving normally, well, how normal, russian tanks were already on the approach, but despite here are all the bags, everything was closed with roadblocks, they used to drive, and now i just see that these guys are driving, you can’t go around them, because they are standing for a long time, the so-called commercial tow trucks, here are all the cars to the front, to the front, tow trucks and everything will be closed to you there is a question, there is a solution, there is a solution, after all, you can’t earn money and fight at the same time, it doesn’t happen like that, talking about money, in particular, about the fact that in the congress they can block... and maybe even god forbid, of course, but block this one the proposed financial program for ukraine, what will the situation be, for example, with armaments, if

we take it from the outside, then there will be armaments, but these armaments, since we are fighting now, ours are fighting, so it will approximately be, the worst-case scenario, i think, will not come true when it is blocked, but for the next a year there on the part of the usa, but where will the average be when the military-technical part leaves , well, that is, the weapons will be most likely, i am talking about the difficulty of getting money into the budget, but in terms of types and weapons, well, it will be the same approximately what now, we will not be able to freely, questions of articles and questions of quantity, so i i understand that 31 abram is very cool, but we understand that this is a drop in the ocean, and it would be important to decide on 310 abramsim, that is , an order of magnitude higher number, yes, it is being resolved, it was resolved before, we had on the table... it was possible to use and put at least 300, at least 600, which america has, well, this is another transfer, why didn’t america do that, but we don’t have to wait for them, but where are

our 300, and where are our 300 tanks, but where are our 1,000 missiles with a range of 1,000 km, at least 200 missiles, i insist on this, that already a year and a half, and it is necessary, i understand, it is difficult, as it is on the territory of ukraine to build missiles, that's all, but without this we will not be able to... freely plan and carry out symmetrical strikes on the territory of the enemy, that is, we will have to do it like this or otherwise, well, in conclusion, everything should consist of internal stability and the ability to produce shells, primarily here in ukraine, and external continuation, at least at the same level of stable support, i expect that this level of support will not decrease until the summer curtain there will be different ones by the summer, by the summer, and you can count, there are a lot of signals, why until the summer, a lot, the imf plan until july 15, the financial plan, the same money comes

through the imf as well as the american one, which means that for some reason everyone calculated somewhere until july 15, everyone calculated that there was a war somewhere , but the hot phase should end, and for now, unfortunately, that's roughly what they think, and what will happen in the fall, so far no one has proposed, so... we have to think about the fall of next year, now we have to think about the fall of next year, when there will be a political crisis in the usa, most likely, when we will not just close the already flawed budget, and now we need to draw some conclusions from the previous period, and i emphasize once again that if even the usa sags somewhere on political issues, there in terms of pace, then we need to build up with our partners in europe, by the way, the meeting ... san francisco showed nato and europe that they are lagging behind here, they need to renew their role

as a serious geopolitical player in the european union, because china's vision is without russia and without europe. china no longer wants to go to europe, it has already come to terms with it, give him his part of the world, and the usa in principle, well, they have a euro-atlantic partnership, but we don't know what will happen in the elections in the usa next year, so europe now needs to strengthen its aid to ukraine, this is definitely a step to strengthen europe. these are signals about ukraine's membership in nato, how to encrypt them correctly? well, where do you see the signals, there are no signals. we are all waiting for things to come together, the stars will align and everything will be, and russia is there at every step, even at the statement of experts, well, like rasmos the former ginsek, which can be accepted in nato without application. of the fifth article to the entire territory first, and then expand , well, by the way, this is the scheme for cyprus, the eu works like this in cyprus now , not for the entire territory, what a kumanite, and what a nervous emotional reaction in the kremlin is acceptable,

never, well, me too i will also tell them, disband your nato, go away from here, well, everyone is waiting for russia's forces to fall to such a level, when this issue will be on the agenda, that's it, membership in nato, everyone would like it, but without a direct confrontation with russia, that's the situation for us ukraine should still go this way, as plan a, not plan b, but plan a, because the window of opportunity is in washington next year. it is no longer possible to postpone. thank you very much, mr. ambassador, for this extremely interesting, honest and productive conversation , i want to remind our viewers that valery chaley, the former extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states, was currently working for you on espresso. do ordinary things become unreal? heavy bags. not for my

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he proposed to take various underhand techniques of chinese diplomacy and divide the spheres of influence on the globe, they say, the globe is big, we can, so to speak, take each other's interests into account, yes, this is one of the famous phrases, comrades sisityr, the other, he liked to repeat several times before the visits and during the visit that bilateral relations between the united states and china are the most... relations in the world, interestingly, in moscow ikaos, this lover of the union, which is greater than the union, but remember how you are already in the hallway the kremlin, when putin was running, he personally escorted him to the porch, promised him some historical events that...