oleg, in this case, either to the participants of this rally, who came to him at his request, or to representatives of his political power, and it is clear that he does not choose expressions there, he speaks as he sees fit. at the same time, of course, in the international arena, he behaves more cautiously, offering himself, among other things, as a mediator whenever possible, as far as relations between israel and israel are concerned, well, they have long since deteriorated, that is, the problem here is that they tried them to restore, but the gas stopped again. erdoğan, visited with visit to germany, met with the president, with the chancellor, and this visit was planned back in the spring, in fact, when it became clear that erdogan will lead turkey again after the elections, some in german...

politicians believed that perhaps it would be better to cancel this visit , but it happened and according to the statements of journalists, in particular, the situation resembled a tight string, yes , uh, it was, of course, about the situation in the middle east, and about the differences that exist in germany and turkey, in the person of erdogan now, along with what this visit was about and what accents would you place? well, i think that the key thing was... not the situation in the middle east, although a lot of attention was paid to it, the key thing was bilateral relations, including possible lobbying by germany at the beginning of negotiations with turkey on joining the european union, because erdogan has not given up hope of starting this process. erdoğan also has a trump card, and the germans understand this very well, the increase in the number of refugees.

in germany, if erdoğan's will is there, it can simply lead to a fall democratic government and the coming to power of the right, so in this case, these are very difficult negotiations, and yes, they are tense and not very pleasant, even obviously for both parties. tell me, mr. igor, if we talk about another important region in which there was such turbulence this week, and multidirectional events, i mean. the south caucasus, this is how you see this peace process between romania and azerbaijan in a situation where the next such summit was supposed to take place in the united states, in fact it was disrupted, azerbaijan says that the united states take a unilateral position, the united states openly puts pressure on baku. on the other hand, the prime minister of armenia says that there are already frameworks for a peace agreement between armenia and azerbaijan, which were reached through the mediation of the head of the european council, and the odb summit is not going to minsk, where we are in this region in general

, which, well, i think , i think we're definitely not getting closer to war in this region, but i think we 're moving more toward a peace agreement because the key obstacles that were there before it's karabakh, he, he's gone now, but obviously, it won't be easy anyway, it won't be easy. however, there are no other options, i think that both azerbaijani politicians and armenian politicians understand that there is simply no other alternative, azerbaijan cannot now start a new war, since it will already be an aggressive war, and, accordingly, it does not receive support practically nowhere, well maybe except turkey, and that is in question, the armenians, in turn, do not have the strength to carry out... revenge, i.e. this

such a somewhat stalemate situation, which in principle gives chances that the parties will still come to an agreement, get out of this impasse, and this is primarily beneficial to azerbaijan and burma, not to russia, for sure, but that's why the russians say that the future azerbaijani-armenian relations depend on the return of the armenian population to karabakh, as maria zakharova said this week, as it is, well, yes, because it is a key, key obstacle, that is , ensuring... return and the right to return, everything else, by the way , in this case, azerbaijan is far behind more competently than many other countries, from the very beginning it launched the procedure, recognition of citizenship, yes, that is, there is an electronic form , that is, any armenian who lived and lives in the territory of nagorno-karabakh, he can enter into direct contact with

the azerbaijani authorities to issue at least that electronic form and start the integration process, that is, in this case, it seems to me that it is much wiser to act. and finally, very briefly, the csto summit in minsk and pashinyan, who apparently decides to abstain from going there, can we talk about the already quite understandable drift from the russian federation, armenia, which is now headed by nikol pashinyan? well, i think one can say cautiously, yes, that is, cautiously, why, because there are quite a lot of politicians, political forces in armenia who want changes, in the direction of moscow, so it will be difficult for pashinyan, he needs to offer armenian society, clear guarantees and visions

after the war, after the signing of the peace agreement, and how the armenians can develop, how it will guarantee its security and on whom it depends will rely on, this is a complex process. but it can be cautiously stated that burmennia is drifting away from russia. thank you, ihor semivolos, the director of the blinsk eastern research center, was with us on this broadcast, we discussed the situation in the middle east, where the war continues for the 43rd day, and the situation in another important region, in the south caucasus, this is not the end of our conversations with you, we will continue with khrystyna, literally in a few minutes, do not switch, we are on... we are waiting for you, ukraine-italy on mego, only victory gives a ticket to the european championship, november 20 at 21:45, watch the match

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effort, strength, together to victory, honor has. continuing our free political club, khrystyna yatskiv and vitaly portnikov, and in the next hour or so we will have the opportunity to hear from mr. vitaly his opinion on the most basic events, i will probably start with still, returning to the topic of sidzinfine and joseph biden, has it become perhaps psychologically easier for you, mr. vitaly, to perceive the modern world, and has the understanding come that these two adult leaders may not have understood each other. but found the necessary contacts in order not to escalate the situation, i don't think xi jinping is a mature leader, uh, a mature leader would leave the post of general secretary of the central committee of the communist party of china and chairman of the people's republic of china after two terms in power, so to speak

about a person who respects at least the tusteme that exists in his own authoritarian country, if a person tries to destroy all the rules that existed for decades, which in principle ensured the success of his state, it must be understood that this success was largely ensured by this this transfer of power procedure, may i explain why? because the normal procedure for the transfer of power is democratic elections in such countries as the thai people's republic, because there the civil war was won with the help of joseph stalin communists, there are no democratic elections, the only center of democracy remained the island of taiwan, and i would say that the monopoly rule, not even by a party, but by a person, which we observed from the 45th to 1976 until the death of maudzedong, led to a complete collapse, political life

, the economy, the degradation of everything, the clan struggle, so that after the death of maut zedong, his associates had to arrest his wife, jiangqin and the closest associates of the leader, this is the degradation, denzio ping, who essentially led the country after of this crisis, was able to offer china, a change of leaders, a rotation of leaders, this rotation of leaders in one way or another provided, the ability for polemics, the ability for discussion, the ability for correct decisions. cizen ping, given solely that he has a lust for power, has broken it. and when a person breaks such a system, one can only expect a disaster, because he stops consulting with others, he. begins to take into account another opinion, she becomes vulnerable to her manias and phobias, and by the way,

what is happening in china recently, the mysterious disappearance of foreign affairs minister qinggan, where is he anyway, where is qinggan, the mysterious disappearance of defense minister lishanfu, where is he, where is lishengfu, lishengfu is also gone, no one is there, these are the people who were the closest associates of xizenping, whom he promoted to these positions, not only the ministers, but also the members of the council, they will not stand still. they disappeared in an unknown direction, this happened only in mao's time. disaster with economic policy. first, the zero- tolerance policy for the coronavirus, then the instant, such a whirlwind of rejection of this policy, which may have led to the death of hundreds of thousands of people, and the lack of economic growth results. so, of course, the president of the united states can be considered an adult .

but his interlocutor is an ordinary totalitarian dictator and he is talking to him only because he is not in the best situation right now, as the president of the united states himself said, so the only thing that is important for me in this meeting is that this dialogue is taking place at all, but he does not guarantee anyone from anything, i do not believe that the meeting the president of the united states and the head of the people's republic of china, somehow distances us from the third world war, because he generally believes that there will be no third world war, and it is impossible, because the third world war is a nuclear component, it is the death of tens of millions of people, it the disappearance of a large part of civilization, this is not beneficial for dictatorships and democracies , there will be no third world war that could solve the contradiction between democracy and a dictator, there will be constant local wars that will lead to the death of a large number people permanently, the entire 21st century will be spent in local wars, there will be no peaceful time. i would advise our compatriots to abandon the word peace, to understand that the last peaceful day in

their lives was february 24, 2022, then there will be war, and this is the life of them, their children, their grandchildren, great-grandchildren, this is war, simply we are living in a war, but it is necessary that the eyelashes are not on our territory, if it is on the territory of other countries, if we follow this war, if we read other people's victims, if we spend money on the humanitarian aid of others. if we look at humanitarian disasters in other countries, of course, it will affect us , the climate, the ecology, the longevity of people's lives, how long they will live, people will fall into unexpected disasters, all this and all this will be such an everyday thing that no one will pay attention to except the direct victims of these disasters, but there will be peaceful parts of the world, you know, this is like an ocean, and there will be land, and our task is simply to be on land, so far, we are one of the great training grounds of these wars, and our task is not to be recorded as such a training ground for the next ten years, which is very profitable, because ukraine is an ideal

training ground, it is not a member of the european union, it is not a member of nato , a large population, a large territory, it is possible test missiles, you can test drones, you can test new weapons, you can not - not risk anything, because it is not a nuclear state, it cannot respond with nuclear weapons, if anything, so basically, if i were the president russia or the head of the people's republic of china, i would experiment with ukraine for another 20 years, but there is another world, a democratic one, for which we should hope from the point of view of the end of this war, at least in the majority of our territory, let's talk about it let's talk, this week anders fogh rasmursen, i'll just remind you that he is the former secretary general of nato, said that ukraine can join the north atlantic alliance before the end of the war with russia, and without temporarily occupied territories, such a scenario of partial membership countries in the alliance will not mean the freezing of the war, the

guardian expert, in particular, is convinced, but rather it will be a warning to russia that it cannot interfere. the joining of ukraine to the western defense bloc, well, i think that will reduce the ambitions of the russian federation to attack the part of our country that is a member of nato, on the other hand, no, a part cannot be a member of nato, only the entire state can be a member of nato, but the umbrella will function exclusively on the territories controlled by us, the umbrella will function exclusively on the controlled ones our territories, but a country can join nato only if all its territorial integrity is internationally recognized, this must be important. to just emphasize once again, because after this statement of the former secretary general of nato, conversations began about the fact that we should pay for peace with the territories, and this must be clearly stated, first of all, no one says that we will pay for peace, peace is not will be , the russian federation does not want any peace, it wants to fight here for as long as possible, to the last ukrainian, so it will fight

on those territories where it can to fight, the question is what are the borders of these territories. the former secretary general of nato had in mind the idea of ​​localization of the conflict, that if we join nato, then they tell us , you know, the guarantee of ukraine's security exclusively in these territories that are controlled by you, i even allow an option that russia does not claim, that too there may be an option , she wrote something stupid in her constitution, we think it’s stupid, but we don’t distribute security guarantees, but we distribute what she doesn’t claim to be, but we we say to russia, but this is not your territory, you certainly do not distribute it, you have nothing to do with it, here we give this territory a security guarantee, this is complete madness, of course, but it can also be so, there can be nato member countries that they will offer such an option, you understand, but in any case, this is a way to localize the conflict, because russia will know for sure that if it crosses

the red line, the demarcation line, then this is not a conflict with ukraine, ugh, but with nato. let's look at the reverse side, or not this idea interferes with our desire to recapture our territories, if no one prevents us from recapturing our territories, why does it interfere , well, if we become a member of the north atlantic alliance, and the umbrella at least partially covers the territory of our country, then will we not have to coordinate more carefully with our nato partners, our movements towards the de-occupation of our territories, will they not stop us because they are afraid of a confrontation with russia, because we have already seen how missiles fall in poland and what kind of reaction it causes, for example, we see that the world in principle takes, and it is impossible to condemn their balanced position for this, because not wanting war and confrontation with a large nuclear power is normal, i

believe that if no one will raise questions about our territorial integrity, then as a sovereign state we have. full right to defend our borders, and i both militarily and politically, but why don't you want to look at it from the other side, if we are not a member of nato, and we do not receive security guarantees, will this not result in the loss of some more territory of ukraine, that is, whether will not join the regions occupied by the russian federation today with several more ukrainian regions, with a large number of refugees, with their transformation into subjects of the russian federation in the russian constitution with new sufferings of the ukrainian people. let it take place not on the 24th, but on the 25th, 26th, because he repeats, we are talking about a war that does not have its temporal end, and which is, one might say , a real festival of strength and self-respect for the russian federation, so to speak about that, the chauvinist complex, which is now gladly welcomed by the vast majority of the citizens of the russian federation, let us not

forget that vladimir putin, in his war and desire to destroy the ukrainian people, relies on the absolute support of the citizens. confident that they are fighting for the territory of historical russia, for the return of which any price can be paid. how to stop this influx of people who are sure that they are fighting for their own, when we know for sure that they are fighting for someone else's. that's the question. i will tell you honestly that i do not think that the idea of ​​the former secretary general of nato will be implemented, most likely there is a negative option, and not a positive development of events. and so i looked at the possibility of an intermediate option. of course, we are unlikely to be nato members unless the issue of our territorial integrity is resolved. i don't even think we will ever be a member of the european union unless it is resolved. because it will be confusing for many countries of the european union, and how do we accept ukraine, and what do we do with its territories, this

is how the president of moldova is now saying that let's accept moldova without transnistria, and as? that is, there will be such an enclave between ukraine and moldova, surrounded on all sides by the territory of the european union, but actually controlled by the russian federation illegitimately, i don't know, this is a question, the world is changing. that could be all, but, i say for today, i would think that at the washington nato summit, we should have received at least an invitation to the alliance, as part of this invitation, we should have demanded security guarantees, from nato member countries, from of the united states, from great britain, from the nuclear countries, as sweden and finland did when they submitted we applied to nato and received an invitation, and it is possible that in these situations we could receive such security guarantees, but in this situation on a limited territory, it would not be a matter of membership, but simply security guarantees for a certain territory, and this would not be for us for years

would bind and stop russia, of course, because nato membership , frankly, is an illusion, well, if you really look at things, it's very good that rasmussen talks about it, and i about it, as you remember , said, told that such ideas are functioning, they have been functioning since the spring last year, it's just that they... finally got voiced, and there will be more and more people who will voice, and as the war goes on , imagine now, 21 months into the war, when 24 months go by, and then 48, and then 56 , and then 78, and then 122, and then 248, there will be even more such ideas, with every year of the russian-ukrainian war, the idea of ​​how to stop it will be more and more, unless of course they forget about it during wedge conflicts, and again , it's real, we're crazy. that we are in a conflict that seems long-lasting because it is empowering our enemy, not destroying it him, and gives him a real boost, russia literally lives on war

, i don’t know at all what they will do if they end this war, they found him a second wind in this war, political, fortunately not economic, so here it can be thing, and i would like us to stop it until these 48 months, 56, so that at least we localize the conflict, because there is another danger, i think that the continuation of the russian-ukrainian war will fuel it new conflicts, the middle east is not an accidental conflict, no, you and i talked about it in the last program, there will be a lot of new things , but it is clear that now, when sidzelpin met with joseph biden, he is preparing for new conflicts, he just wants these conflicts to be discussed so that there was a mechanism of consultation, so as not to go beyond some limits, to ... feel safe when the united states will stand behind some proxy forces, especially when china will stand behind some proxy forces that will

paralyze the united states, the more you understand better, the chinese are already benefiting from all this, that is look, the russian-ukrainian war, russia is weakening, the west is weakening, ukraine is weakening, everything is just lying there, ready for economic conquest, the entire territory. europe and eurasia, in a few more years, china will increase its opportunities even more, will come up with the idea that china itself is not growing, it is in a marginal situation, and then it needs all of us to be marginalized even more, so that the situation in this conditional world from vladivostok to lisbon, was worse than china, and then he can beat it, huh, and so of course, it is very important to him that we fight among ourselves, that russia attacks ukraine. for ukraine to receive help from europe, for europe to spend resources to help ukraine, this is all a wonderful situation, but in this situation you need not to quarrel with america,

here is a bipolar world in the editorial office of shizenpin, where we will be marginal, and china will negotiate with the americans about cooperation, that's all, the fact that putin , in fact, contrary to not only our, but also russian interests, svidzenpino creates such a world, this is the level of his madness, simply because in reality, there is no special place in this world as an independent player. colleagues from the wall street journal note that xijin ping in the united states has not, has not made any attempt to bring back american investors who have distanced themselves in recent years, and why, because the economic situation, we talked about it, is not very good in china, and they were, should have been interested in it, but sidinpin. does not make these attempts, well, maybe because we overestimate his economic competence, or maybe because he wants to blackmail

the united states, if he invites investors, they realize that he needs them, xizenping is one of those players who wants to come to him, he is the emperor, the red emperor, the first red emperor after mao, and he wants these investors came to him, especially since from the behavior of such people as elon musk, we see that he is right, that sooner or later certain people will definitely turn to him, here a lot will depend on how much it will be possible to move and repurpose production. which now is located in the territory of the people's republic of china, india, mexico, mexico can become the burial ground of the chinese economy, now many observers say that mexico is becoming a new economic, how is the tiger there, you understand, for americans to place production in mexico, it is much much more, it's just there what's needed, overcome with the help of ships all

these tankers, all these huge steamships that run between oceans, just get on a truck and in a few hours you're in the right place, what i, i for mexico vivalia mexico, i really want mexico to put an end to chinese influence on the world economy, so that china takes the place it should occupy in the economy of an asian country, which should... find its own ways to economic development, and this may help the destruction regime of the communist party of china and the democratization of this country and the unification of taiwan with china under the flag of taiwan, not under the flag of beijing. do you think this is possible someday? i think that democracy always wins, even if it takes them a ten-year wait, because an authoritarian regime is always ineffective, of course it will spill rivers of blood along the way, tens of millions of people will die, but after that it will lose.

let's move a little closer to our domestic topics, the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, said that russia has actually included another disinformation plan, which is codenamed maidan-3, referring to the uprising in 2004 and 2014 in the central square of our capital, our intelligence has information, which also came from our partners, this is the maidan for them a coup, so the operation is understandable, says zelenniaskyi. in communication with foreign journalists. to be honest, i tried to feel the connotation of this turn of maidan-3, from the mouth of the ukrainian president, and i think i caught something so unpleasant for him. very often, i understand that the president spoke about maidan 3, precisely the russian interpretation of the maidan, and not his own, saying that the maidan is a coup for them, not for us. as we know,

the maidans were not coups. so. first yes, but, but again, the field for politicians who are in power at the time of the implementation of this revolution, it is, well, not always a good story, both maidans ended with a decision that was adopted in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and what is related to the round of presidential elections, which was later confirmed by the supreme court of ukraine, and regarding the resignation of president viktor yanukovych, who left our country, all these decisions were adopted: in the current verkhovna rada, the majority is held by the servant of the people party, whose deputies appeared in the session hall only thanks to one single circumstance, that they were campaigned by the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi, these mps owe their careers to one single person, and i don't really understand how they can stage a coup, so i don't understand what it's about, maybe the president has more

information, he means that such a coup can take place outside the parliamentary hall, but then the question arises, what will be the legitimacy of the power that will be established in kyiv, what kind of power will it be, who will obey it, again, if we imagine russia, then of course in russia for her centralism, it is enough to capture the kremlin so that all the regions of the russian federation, although i don't know now, by the way, but it was like that before, swore to the new, new government, it was like that in 1991, this is true, because it prevailed. the majority of russian regions, not the majority, all except moscow and st. petersburg, supported the gkkp. so, the gkkp was not supported only by moscow, the moscow city hall, headed by havriy popov and his deputy yuriy lushkov, and the st. petersburg city hall, headed by anatoly supchuk and his deputy volodymyr by putin but everyone else was supportive. so, as a result, those who...