[000:00:00;00] maybe the president has more information, maybe he means that such a coup can take place outside the parliament hall, but then the question arises, what will be the legitimacy of the power that will be established in kyiv, what kind of power it will be, who will obey it, again , if we imagine russia, then of course in russia with its centralism it is enough to capture the kremlin so that all the regions of the russian federation, although i don't know how now, by the way, but it was like that before, swore to the new new government, it was like that in 1991. this is true because the vast majority of russian regions, not the majority, all except moscow and st. petersburg, supported the gkkp, but not the gkp, only there moscow, the moscow city hall headed by gavrii popov and his deputy yuriy lushkov, and the st. petersburg city hall headed by anatoly sibchuk and his deputy volodymyr putin, but everyone else supported

it, and as a result those who... were against the gachp and all other regions won to think that in russia now, if there will be some coup, then the one who wins will rule, but in ukraine the situation is completely different, as you remember, even during the maidan of 2013-2014, our regional authorities did not agree with the actions of viktor yanukovych, yes and i imagine that now some person would seize power in kyiv, in which the ukrainian regions would agree to make decisions related to the orders of this person, maybe only the beekeepers would do it, there would be no one else, but them subjects of the russian federation, well, in quotation marks, yes, in quotation marks, of course, in quotes, sure, in any case , well, the subjects of the russian federation, not the donetsk and luhansk regions, but in this situation, of course, i

don't really believe it, so i don't i understand what we are talking about, but this is a conversation of the president with journalists, it is not possible that he wanted to somehow emphasize the destabilizing activities of the russian federation, i assume that this is so, and recently there is a lot of information, which, again, fortunately, is not confirmed, about the possibility of resignations in to the military leadership of our country, we are with you about this talked about last week, this week there was such information again, it was not confirmed again, the ministry of defense of ukraine had to come out and say: everything is okay, in principle there are no problems, and at least we definitely do not have such plans. perhaps the president of ukraine is talking about this coup, when the military can take power under martial law, i mean, for what and what, and why should the military obey if they take it? why are we discussing any conspiracy theory at all? i am not talking about the fact that the permutations in

the military command is the prerogative of the political leadership of the country, i... citizens may have sympathy for certain figures in the military command, but they are also created on the basis of information in the media, and not on what we know for sure , who performs what functions, who does what, this must also be realized, and if we have an effective tandem of the commander -in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, the president of ukraine, the commander-in-chief, the commander of the armed forces, general zaluzhnyi, then these are those personnel decisions, those personnel bases, on which now, is bending the effective work of the armed forces of ukraine, but it can be different, so what, that is also clear, tell me, do you understand, the results and in general the intention of the visit of our, i emphasize , the government delegation and the head of the office of the president andriy yermak to the united states, the other day, well, if we need to have a conversation with the american government officials, given the difficult situation that is now with

our support, that ugu, eh, many call it, this fair went to the united states, as if the head of the office of the president of ukraine performs duties that correspond duties of national security adviser to the president, he is a confidant of the national security adviser of the president of the united states, mr. sullivan, exactly the same role he played when there were consultations with the russians, he played the role of a confidant of the deputy head of the administration of the president of russia, dmitry kozak, so no... the question is what the position is called, the question is what functions a person performs , if andriy yermak is perceived in washington as a person who consults with mr. sullivan, then who should go to the united states, i don't understand, uh , he should go, that is, put aside all questions about that, well, of course, these are official duties, if the president has some other person who can perform these duties informally, we don't have that position, the secretary of the national defense security council, that's a different position if the president thinks that the head of his office

is running events. duties within the administration, similar to those performed by the panalvan within the presidential administration, they must meet and talk, that is any questions, good thank you for this thesis. and the pinocchio operation, many, many people in ukraine were shaken this week, you know, this has never happened before, and here again, in fact, the deputies of dubinsky are now suspected of treason, and we return to the thesis that the ukrainian parliament contains a large the number of completely different personnel who entered the verkhovna rada, actually under different brands, and sometimes even under the brand of president zelsky, it is not excluded that scoundrels could get into the verkhovna rada, again well, law enforcement agencies should dot the i's and the court decision should be the first thing, but what is this story about? about the fact that the parliament is a mirror of society, the citizens of ukraine voted for mr. dzubinka , as far as i remember, he is not at all

a list deputy, or a list deputy, i no longer remember whether he was elected by the majority vote, in my opinion, it's a majoritarian, but you better check, well, it's a question not only of the responsibility of the president of ukraine, under whose brands, indeed, this famous tv journalist, volodymyr zelenskyy, telekanana 1.1 became a people's deputy of ukraine. and this is a question for the people who voted for him, who watched his television programs. yes, it's not nooneim, you see, in the servant of the people party , 95% of nooneim are unknown people. and the people who voted for them can say: oh, we didn't know anything, we are not responsible for anything , we just like volodymyr oleksandrovich zelsky very much, what don't you like, he is the best president who was in ukraine, and we we can hear it, but probinsk. you can't tell if you see person on the television screen, you know who he is, and that's all , so it's the responsibility of ukrainian citizens, who are always responsible for all the decisions they make, in general, for everything that happens in our country, the majority, which for

something is voting, you understand, well, the president said that each of us is the president, and if you vote for an fsb agent, not as if, then each of you, an fsb agent, who voted for him, you can’t say that, well, you can’t, sure, but be careful next time. 94th kyiv region, the dubinsky case, well, that's what i'm talking about, because everyone, you know , people, we are small people, we were given a last name here, we voted, it doesn't happen like that, you are citizens of ukraine, not russia, it's in in russia, they vote for everything that is pushed, the hero of your sympathies, president vladimir putin, in ukraine you should vote for those whom you consider worthy of the deputy mandate, especially since, i will repeat, deputy dubinsky, when he was a journalist, did not come to anything special, in it underwent a known evolution, it was economically there at first journalist, wrote some texts about the economy, i remember it well, because i communicated with him a lot at that time, he was a guest on many of my broadcasts, and then some

political transformation took place, i think, connected with his acquaintance with well-known ukrainian oligarchs, who are also currently in detention , it may have happened earlier, because when i now... economic experts whom sasha recommended to me for programs, all these people later turned out to be in a camp, to put it mildly, tasteless, m 'so to speak, connected with viktor yanukovych with a pro-russian name, so he was targeting them even then, but then somehow he managed and they managed to hide it, at some point they probably decided that it was no longer necessary to hide, that they had already caught this, the oligarch of the fence and everything and everything became clear, but not only to me, everything became clear to all ukrainians, i just made one conclusion, and the vast majority of ukrainian citizens made another, now, thanks to this conclusion, we live in the realities in which we live and have no a real chance

to get out of these realities during the lifetime of these voters. ugh, pessimistic, but, from the war, not from the war, okay. do you have some. warnings, fears, perhaps, regarding how many such networks and agents there are, perhaps, once again, we are waiting for the results of the work of law enforcement agencies, incom- incorporated, in fact, in our system, in the state system, in various institutions, can i explain something to you , come on, we don't have any state system, look at the countries that joined the european union, from former soviet republics or socialist countries, latvia, lithuania, estonia, that. they did it in 1991, even earlier, well before that, i was at a meeting of the lithuanian parliament even before the collapse of the soviet union, where the new prosecutor general

of the republic of lithuania, arturas paulaus, was appointed, who was instructed to form a new prosecutor general of the republic of lithuania, because it was considered , that the people who were the heads of the prosecutor general's office of the lithuanian ssr are not lithuanian prosecutors, the prosecutor general's office of the lithuanian ssr cannot be the prosecutor's office of lithuania, therefore that this is not lithuania, but occupied. on the territory, in 1991, after lithuania finally regained its independence, and the soviet troops had to leave for its territories, the soviet troops had to leave for its territories, uh, a new army was formed, the state security committee of the lithuanian ssr was closed , his employees are dismissed, practically all employees. state institutions of the lithuanian ssr,

all new structures were created, maybe some people remained in the criminal bodies of the ministry of internal affairs, but i also did not sure, because as far as i remember, a lot of people who were just there as policemen or militiamen, they were recertified, or just fired, all over the baltic countries, the same thing happened, you know, in poland or in east germany, i i assure you, i had acquaintances who worked in the ministry of foreign affairs of the german democratic... republic, uh, very democratically minded intelligent people, what do you think that they later worked in the ministry of scientific affairs of the federal republic of germany, they were dismissed from the civil service, i already i'm not talking about people who worked in the stasi, all these archives were opened and all citizens of the former gdr could come and see what these people did in general, no, well, not every one of them was put in prison there, but they were simply forbidden to engage in public service, this is a kind of lustration of all public servants, the same was the case with the leaders of the majority of the leaders of the union republics in

the baltics, no one prevented them from doing business, they simply stopped engaging in political activities of the state, the vast majority of these people who were in management organs of the cpsu. now, what happened in ukraine , we renamed the military districts located on our territory to the ukrainian army, the people who served in these districts in the soviet army simply swore to ukraine, then we were surprised that they did not really want to. to protect ukraine, and they in general, in general, who, where, are they, that they are ukrainian military, or what, these are just people who appeared on this territory at the time of august 24, 1991, could appear in vladivostok, that is the state security committee of the ukrainian ssr was renamed to the service security of ukraine, all state institutions remained in their places, all of them, when i was there in 2014.

filled out the documents of a civil servant, which fortunately did not happen to me, i communicated with an official who headed this entire verification service since the time when vitaly andriyovych masol was the head of the council of ministers of ukraine, and kept his position until the maidan of 2013-14, and so happened to the vast majority of civil servants, but civil servants, god bless them, a personnel officer can be an experienced person and have such experience that you and i have never we will have from the point of view of the analysis of all cases. and so on, and the kgb, and departments for combating violations of state secrets there or something else in the ministry of internal affairs, and local branches of special services, and the ministry of defense, i apologize, and the general staff of the armed forces with people who all graduated from the academy named after yakubovsky, malinovsky and other things, and you, the state, the state system

, how many of them are infiltrated, the question must be asked differently, how many people who work in the state system of the ukrainian state came from it in new times and are not related with the old system, how many people were not agents of the state security committee of the soviet union, how many people were not recruited after that ugh. our last head of the kgb of the ukrainian ssr, general mykola galushko, became one of the first ministers of state security of the russian federation , we are talking about andriy derkach, who is now under us sanctions and has quietly left somewhere, unlike dubinsky, and his father was the head of the security service of ukraine. comrade yakymka, our head of the security service, i'm

not talking about all the others. security forces, went with by everyone, i don’t by everyone, i think by the lists of agencies, to moscow in 2014, the 14th year, only 10 years ago, please tell me, i didn’t talk by chance there with a person who worked in the apparatus of the sbu, maybe even now works, he didn't tell me, i asked him the same question that i asked in 96, 2004 . 2009, he will say, please, how do you work, i'm interested in the agency, hey , comrade colonel, i can imagine that you want to recruit me, i'm a person who still has some kind of glue in his head, i definitely understand that you transfer all the information to moscow, well, not you, but your superiors, okay, because you wrote everything down, i signed everything, and tomorrow, or in a month, the fact that i work for the security service

of ukraine does not even matter where, it is on people of lubyanka, with my signatures and photos, i, how can i deal with you in the future, if i am the owner of some: information, and he tells me: yes, indeed, well, you are right, we work without documents, we all life , we hide information from our superiors because we are afraid of what you are talking about, you know that when the central intelligence agency decided to work with our security service, it created a separate department that has no connection with other departments of the sbu, and when, uh, mishist decided to work with the security service of ukraine, it created another one departments, separate departments, employees who, in principle, do not communicate with their colleagues, and this is how, you do not think that this system in principle cannot function, in principle, it cannot function, citizens do not have

any confidence in it, partners before that they don't have no trust, the state leadership will think 3000 times. what happens if you even appoint a person of yours, how to say, a close friend, as the head of the sbu, ugh, then such troubles await you too, as it happened, with the post-election appointment of the head of the sbu, that you don't even know how you you will get out of this situation, well, maybe the problem is that the leader was so-so, despite the fact that he is a great friend, well, maybe, but how to appoint another, where are you? he gets confused, and i forgot about the prosecutor's office, which also remained unreformed, and the chief, which in the 14th year he went to moscow, oh , courts, courts, partners, my god, do you remember those conversations of kuchma, where he said, i control some of the judges, but not all, because some

are controlled by moroz, and let's now talk about european integration, if i were a european commissioner, i would... on the day when it was necessary to sign an agreement with ukraine, i would first shoot myself in such a situation, we need to reform the entire state administration system, we need real lustration processes , young people are needed, clearly needed to realize what happened to all this agency. let's go back to 2014, the lustration processes, the cleansing, the cleansing of the authorities, er, virginity, at least for a certain time of the people who made, in particular, the political decisions in our country... the relevant positions, we went through all this, we tried to harmonize our legislation with with these positions, we rested, in particular, the reformers who were very interested in this, yes, rested on the thesis that where and where to take such a large number of people instead, well, we are not satisfied with how the judicial system works, and we really like

to hang labels that all ukrainian judges, they are all done, where to get new ones, remember how the supreme court of appeals cannot appoint. a large number of judges, because they simply do not apply for the competition, and so on and so forth, if not because of the change of beds in the brothel, the quality of service does not change, the brothel must be closed, well, i made it clear, clearly, i do not, well, no, i i can explain, i can, if you want, i explained to you the reform reform program, i can, i always said, we need real lustration mechanisms, lustration of officials, and lustration members, the head of the bodies of totalitarian and populist parties, all this was not developed, the verkhovna rada again found a large number of people who worked for moscow, in 2019 they only strengthened their positions against the background of the populist triumph, i mean the party of viktor medvedchuk,

of course, and although they did not get into the parliament in the 14th year, medvedchuk and rabinovych and the campaign, in the 19th they were already on the horse, i talked about it, but you and i said that we cannot illustrate. we can't, let them live better on kaffir, as they are now the best deputies in the history of ukrainian parliamentarianism are there and still do not lose their influence and opportunities, has lyovochkin already sold inter to firtash, i am already confused, who is now the master of our, er, our life, what do you think, you said about lishko there, in principle and the story itself, what's the difference, well, it's true, and in that sense , i thought it should be done, maybe after... uh, this war, when it 's over, i'll have to go back to it again. well, it's a complicated story, i'm in , what can i tell you, we're in. lost 30 years, ugh

if you don't, no, you've been treating a disease for 30 years, then instead of smearing your arm with, you know, anti-inflammatory ointment, you have to cut off your arm, well, it happens, well, who's to blame if you don't have a head on your shoulders , the main thing is that the head is not taken away, we now have another problem in the existence of the state, but i just told you about the state, when we start to kill these fleas, ugh, in this dog, then we must understand that the problem is in the dog itself , this is not a flea, an fsb agent, but a dog, okay, you and i got an interesting moment, in my opinion, let's finish after all, let's look not far, but beyond the ukrainian border. last program, we talked about the fact that polish carriers are on strike, this week ... slovakian ones are joining them, and we understand that this is likely to be imposed on the political situation in this country,

maybe some of our neighbors will join themselves in this format strike, the demand is simple, as i understand it, it is still to balance the rules of work in the european union, so that the members of the eu, well, somehow, were in balance with the carriers of non-member countries, signed the association agreement, created all the conditions to advance further to the eu, we are now conducting, we are going to conduct negotiations on a step for the eu , the european union has created the same conditions for us as for any other country that is a member of the european union, well, polish carriers or there, the farmers before that want us to exist in the regime of a non-member of the european union, this is a question of solidarity and a question of the decision of the european commission, and polish carriers, polish farmers owe their well-being not only to their own labor efforts, which we sincerely respect, but also to that the aid they received from the european union, so that their industries could

withstand competition with the corresponding industries of the european union countries. if it were not for this help of these subsidies, there would be no polish farmers and there would be no polish transporters, because that sector of the economy, which was in the countries of western europe, was much more efficient, strong and could do anything , the whole idea was that the european union economy in the member countries, now in the european union, simply because we are in war, it is necessary that our branches of the economy do not disappear either, and this seems to me, our neighbors should respect, and this is a matter of intergovernmental negotiations, negotiations with workers, it is generally normal when workers protect their interests, this is how the world is arranged in general, we need to talk about this, and of course, these workers absolutely care about the interests of other workers, even if all these other workers simply die of hunger, this has always been the case in human history, the brave proletarians of their striking comrades, that their wives and children die of hunger, this

it is called proletarian solidarity, as we remember, it is written that way in all the books on the theory of marxism and leninism, that is why the french did not like the belgian miners, the french miners did not like the belgian, what the french, that everyone was always ready to take the place of their beloved comrade and howl you, take a piece of bread out of his mouth, it's better to take it out of the mouth of a five-year-old child, it's like that even now... we also see exactly that, of course we have to talk like this so as not to be betrayed, but in principle we have to think and it must also be said to dear polish transporters and polish farmers, what will they do if we become members of the european union, that they will be a piece of bread, because now it is necessary to think about the mechanisms of protection of their industries, about joint agreements, about carrying out negotiations for the future, this all has to be part of our european integration, not a quarrel with him, but an agreement that would help us and our branches of the economy to preserve and them to preserve their own interests, but to let them understand that simply the way it was will no

longer be the same as after their introduction, already it was never like that in france, germany, as it was, but they took them, it would have been better not to take them, maybe it would have been much better for the french, farmers and germans, well, listen, well , we know that even now the french farmers run after german cars, and throw their butter and oil and meat right on the roads so that they don't sell, we don't need it, everything is better in france and definitely , french is better for the french, because it is more expensive, for the germans, german, because it is cheaper, and the germans, when poland joined the european union, they started to go and buy milk from polish farmers, and left the german farmers without a piece of bread, because their milk was more expensive, they just spent more money to grow all this, so that the cows grazed in the alpine meadows, and the polish farmers did not bother and therefore won this competition for a certain time, and now everyone will go to ukrainian farmers, polish farmers will cry and say, what about our cows,

there will be problems with your cows, but this always happens when... the european union, for us, the main thing is not to go to russian farmers, their cows, the milk there is not tasty, although on the other hand, in vologda, in the vologda region, it is not bad, better than in many other regions of europe, if they are beautiful, the main thing, so that no one knows that and that they didn't go there, we only say it among ourselves , we don't tell anyone, we don't need to go to russia , everything is terrible there, sit here, our milk is better than milk in europe, well, i don't know if everything is bad in russia, but our food, well, you see, we are already starting pre-election struggle in europe, it's great , you know, i'm more for saying gob when we jump, but we can now

sell our milk to factories in european countries under these conditions, the knife has been removed. in general, we have many options that are not available in countries with the same situation as ours, that is , we understand that the war has and, no matter how cynical it may sound, certain such pleasant bonuses, economic preferences that we are given so that our economy can somehow survive because i'm not sure that these are preferences if we lost half there economy, then i don't know what preferences it can make up for, but in any case , agree that it's just hysteria, we don't see anything here. because we have to realize what interests are being guided by these people who are currently blocking ukrainian border posts , or have previously blocked the fate of ukrainian grain, this is not some great world law, this is a simple idea that they want to make money, and that they want to make money in comfortable atmosphere, we want too, we simply cannot exclude all tv channels, and some can, that's why they created a marathon, just to throw out

competitors instead of who. is called a marathon on the fields and roads of the republic of poland, you can say the experience of ukrainian television export of ukrainian television experience to the civilized world and for some reason we do not like it, but we like the marathon , well, well, briefly summarizing this topic, can the poles-slovaks in the future have any hungarians problems with the european union as a result of the actions of individual carriers or farmers there, and if so, whether is it in our interests, or after all, in our interests. joint consultations of the european commission, poland, slovakia, possibly hungary, ukraine, solving all these problems, because to think that we can simply throw hats at everyone, including hungarians, is absolutely not a realistic wish, we will have to carry out everything reluctance, a difficult negotiation process with comrade viktor orban and comrade peter sijartto and other excellent comrades

who would rather talk with comrade volodymyr putin than with us, but. since they are given pennies in brussels, they will talk to us too, without any enthusiasm, but they will talk about money, big economic drivers, i said about it again, i don’t know who we think, smith or karl marx, who is closer to viktor orban, i don't fully understand, let's hope that smith, and this can give a certain impetus to our negotiation process, and one way or another we have to prepare for it. and make this process professional, we can definitely conclude our wonderful meeting with khrystyna on this, i apologize for being overly emotional. thank you you for this emotionality, i do not consider it excessive, you have the right. vitaly portnikov, saturday political club. khrystyna yatskiv. we will meet again soon. of course, of course,

have a good evening. 2:00 p.m. in ukraine and for your attention a news release on the espresso tv channel in the studio of iryna koval. greetings to all viewers. thursday. adults and one child were injured as a result of the morning shelling of kherson. a three-year-old girl is in the hospital with neck and leg injuries, doctors assess her condition as average. women aged 47, 55 and 68 were also injured, they were hospitalized with shrapnel wounds. a 59-year-old man also suffered from shrapnel wounds, the head of the region oleksandr prokudin said. in the morning , muscovites attacked the dnipro