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we wish you all the best, see you in a week, and you stay with espresso, because the terreso continues, and there is much more to come. 17:00 in ukraine and for your attention news release on the espresso tv channel. in the studio of iryna koval. greetings to all viewers. we are building up capacity for effective countermeasures. ukraine is increasing the number of mobile groups to fight against the shaheds, the deputy head of the president's office, oleksiy kuleba, said. they have proven their effectiveness in strengthening the protection of energy infrastructure and civilian objects. completing
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units are handled by regional military administrations, so that the defenders of the sky have not only transport, but also all the necessary devices. and to the situation in the kherson region, a three-year-old girl who was injured by russian strikes in kherson today was brought to the intensive care unit. doctors discovered a mine-explosive injury in her. multiple shrapnel injuries, chest injuries, contusion and closed brain injury. after stabilization of the child's condition, a ct scan will be performed and possibly transferred to the kyiv medical institution, said the head of the region oleksandr prokutin. in the morning, the enemy shelled kherson with artillery. in addition, in addition to the girl , her grandmother and three other people were injured. damaged high-rise buildings. i was lying down, i could hear the sounds of the balcony, there were no falcons, no. bilozerka was also under fire,
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an injured man went to the hospital on his own, in the village, the light went out due to the impact, experts will start restoration as soon as the security situation allows. danger on the border with russia. the invaders are strengthening their positions and shelling the territory of ukraine, and the armed forces of ukraine are ready for the worst scenario. in sumy oblast, the border is being defended by units that have been fighting the invaders for a year and a half. direction and secure the border at the castle. the espresso film crew visited a few kilometers from the territory of the russian federation and saw with their own eyes how our soldiers are ready to meet the invaders. read more in artem logutenko's article. the time we worked out the goals set for us by the top management is, let's say, supportive. point and the enemy near the border, as
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a result? the result is very satisfactory, the soldiers worked with a self-made mobile rocket launcher, it was assembled to order soldiers are far away in a body at a private enterprise, this mini-hail is being bombarded with soviet-made projectiles, it was removed from the helicopter block, it was on the base that the installation was developed for the block, well, to remove the rotorcraft. office developed, let's say, a turret and developed this completely, let's say, block, shells, nursi, five, well, the firing range is 4.5 km, the task of this unit is to suppress enemy artillery and the concentration of the enemy on the border, the enemy soon equipped a platoon point , company point, now you hear, shot
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previously, mykhailo's unit fought in the zaporozhye region, the soldiers have considerable experience, now they are defending the borders in the sumy oblast, i will not say that it is calm, here it is more tense all the time, there we knew that we had an enemy, right in front of us, that is, closed from the side, everything seems to be closed here too. a ton, somehow. drag all kinds of things, so as not to yawn in tension, it is constantly obtained, they are constantly strengthened, both civilian equipment and military equipment work , both anti-tank barriers and fire positions, platoon and company posts, are made for the soldiers you have to not only shoot back at the occupiers, but also block the sabotage groups of the enemy, the fighters are ready for this, yes
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, you are the one watching so that the orcs do not cross the border, yes, of course, they are in that direction and that's it. on the other hand, we have mines there, traps are there, so they won’t pass here, we’re watching, it’s even normal, well, here’s a bitch, we have control of this, on the battery for control detonation, we have mines there, and that is, from here you can blow it up like this, you press like this and it bounces off an explosion, and here we have it already, the positions of the soldiers are arranged near the samisin border, everyday life has its own conveniences and its own problems. we have two problems, orcs and mice, they even
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ate our weapons. and here the guys have a kitchen, yes, it's a whole dining room, you can't be too rich. too healthy, too armed, we always want to have much more weapons than we have, but we are a unit that is equipped only with standard weapons, and our standard weapons are not as heavy as we would like, here in sumy oblast there is an active war, because our defenders are constantly forced to exchange fire with the russians, who continuously attack their positions. and every moment they are waiting for the advance of the rashists, and despite this, our soldiers are forced to spend all their money on providing personnel and repairing their vehicles, they are in great need of additional monetary payment for conducting hostilities.
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artem lagutenko, oleksiy kutsuk from sumy region for espresso. and i want to remind you about the collection of tv channels for the 27th separate rifleman. batalno, which destroys the russians on one of the eastern directions, for protection from enemy uavs, as well as for continuous operation of the starlink, timely charging of drones, tablets and other equipment, they urgently need two portable anti-drone shields, two generators and two chargers. our goal is uah 500,000. thanks to you, we have already collected 480,000, there is a little bit left, so remember that every donation is important, join our collection, all the details. you see on the screen. we, servicemen of the 27th separate rifle battalion, 67th separate mechanized brigade, performing combat tasks in the kupyansk-limansk direction, we need your help, in the collection of two portable charging stations, two
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generators and anti-drone means. we will be grateful to everyone who will join this gathering. glory to ukraine. the ministry of foreign affairs confirmed the tragedy. in poland, a minibus with ukrainians crashed there. two women and a child died in the accident. the disaster happened at 1:50 a.m. near hrubeszew in the lublin voivodeship. the bus suddenly left the road and crashed into a tree. there were 10 passengers in the cabin, all from ukraine. two doctors could not save women and a six-year-old child. other victims were taken to the hospital. the causes of the fatal accident are still unknown. kurt cobain's guitar went off the hammer. the fender-mustang, on which the nirvana frontman played during the last tour, was sold at the auction. almost $1,600 was recovered for the tool. as reported in the auction house, this is a sky-blue electric guitar for
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shulga. the band gave its last concert on march 1, 1994 in munich. cobain played that night with this very guitar. frontman, usually broke the stage instrument, but left this one. jeans, a kurta, a cardigan, a sketch and the lyrics of one of the songs also went off the hammer. well, that was the news at the time. we will see you in less than an hour, and you can read more news on our website espresso tv. follow us on various social networks, in telegram, instagram, see. on youtube, well, literally in a moment, watch myroslava barchuk and her own names.
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greetings, good evening, my name is myroslav barchuk and this program has its own names: common the project of ukrainian foam and tv channel. we will try today, we will try to talk about the future. it is very difficult for all of us to talk about the future now, because even the outlines of this light at the end of the tunnel are incomprehensible to all of us, and we do not understand what will happen tomorrow, not that in some distant perspective, so we should talk about the future, about after the victory it is not easy, but we will try today, today we have a guest oksana forostyna, author, translator, our colleague, journalist, congratulations, oksana, thank you for coming today to talk about such subtle, difficult danger. the topic of the article that oksana frostina printed, it is such
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a long article in two parts in the edition of criticism, it is called after the war, and oksana writes that after we survive, survive the war, we will need to survive the peace, and about this peace and what will happen after the war, i was going to talk with you now, i opened facebook and saw the following post of our colleague, our colleague writes: we all need to get used to the idea that war is now our new normal, as far as for a long time, that there is no point in tormenting yourself with thoughts in style, and what will happen after, so let's start talking about it by answering the question, when it is not that the outlines of victory are unclear, in general, the outlines of even the borders are unclear, should we now discuss
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the future after the war and what sense do you put into this discussion? well, i think that it is worth, in particular, it is worth talking about it externally, that is, i mean outside of ukraine, because if we accept this situation, it actually means that we accept, for example there are borders that exist for now, that is, that we are not, that we are ready to adapt, and not fight further, that is, it seems to me that this formulation, that it is for a long time, it, it is very dangerous, because many people outside ukraine, in different countries, i think they would like to somehow, you know, freeze it, after all , we have already been in such a situation, when we seemed to have it, and it seemed like it did not exist, and we are still even at the same level we are not very good at languages,
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and, that is, we are at the level of some everyday life, we say to the war, meaning to invasion on february 24, but again we are trying to correct ourselves, that the war is in us in 2014, so this is the first moment, the second moment, i understand what is behind this thesis that we need to adapt, why many people so willing to say that this war will be eternal, uh, why? i remember 10 years ago, about 10 years ago, when the maidan was already there, it was december, that is , it was already in such a frenzy, we stood at night with so and so near the barrel, many of us, and there was a woman from zaporizhzhia, if i am not mistaken, which is during
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those conversations, they said one very wise thing, they say , the maidan is dragging on, and i repeatedly caught myself thinking that this extreme situation, obviously, as we now know, is not as extreme as where we are now, it drags on , a person adapts and then it is difficult to get out of this state, that is, it is as if a person’s natural desire to get rid of this danger, but in fact this is this state of danger, it also drags on, it is very, very difficult to admit this to oneself, it is very difficult, ee, then to get out of the state well, the so-called normality, and eh, it seems to me that this is also such an adaptive mechanism, when people tell themselves that... it will always be like this, well, because, because it's easier, probably easier for someone, to believe that it will all
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end very quickly, and for someone it's easier to say to themselves , that it will always be like this, and we can already see these, yes, some such separation of positions, separation, different experience, different sense of war, yes, the same people, the same people live in kyiv, and now we are not being shelled anymore ... months by rockets, yes, other people live in kharkiv, some people left for the west, others did not left, some people go, mobilize... others do not mobilize, and we can already see the difference in these experiences, how much, well, i see it on the networks, yes, how nervously people react to such things, to which it would seem, well, for example, in person i believe that, for example, this conflict with iryna farion, and what was it, it was not worth such a reaction from society , so harsh, yes, this statement
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is how worthless it is, yes, in relation to the insult, it is so military that it seems to me that there was no need to pay so much attention to it, but, but society has become very neurotic, and here are these cracks that we can already see, yes, the trauma that is already there, how do you see the future, how, how can it be, what can it develop into further, and is it possible in some way , in some way, to avoid some of the negative consequences of this, well, it was ultimately foreseen , because no... you live on adrenaline all the time, that is, for some time, it gave ukrainian society, on the contrary, this reserve, strength, and, you can it was possible to hold on, but that cannot always be the case, and this is actually another moment that i think we have
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to communicate externally, i.e. that it is the fact that we are so stable, it is of course wonderful, and the fact that we are praised so much for this is also wonderful, but it is not necessary to accustom the great world to the fact that we are so iron, and well, because actually no, because this resilience, it is not unlimited, and obviously there will be divisions, and maybe even they will not be where they are now, maybe they will be somewhere else, and we cannot predict that now, my the assumption is that it would be better if there were more of them, but smaller ones than there would be some big ones, it seems to me that... a more dangerous situation is when there are one or two that are large, deep and permanent, and so in our country they appear as if they are fluid, and , that is, today, as you mentioned, this zfaron is a scandal, today it is one fault line, tomorrow with
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"some other will appear, and it seems to me, too, an element of resilience, the main thing is that they are what we are, what we can do is not to deepen them, it is not to immerse ourselves in these traumas, not just not to go into this pain of ours so deep and for a long time, the telethon, the picture that the telethon creates, it is unlikely that you watch a telethon, but obviously you see certain consequences, yes , of this telethon, and it is a little bit like a prepared picture of reality, and do you see a threat in this, such a certain replacement of reality, it is not radical, but still, everything well, there is a certain one, in the direction of a certain make-up, so there is, do you see here , in relation to, in relation to public expectations, so, for example, any threats, or what it can do, what it can result in? well, i think one of
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those negative consequences, which i wouldn't call tragic, rather unpleasant, is that we you... are not prepared for the fact that , for example, some people want to go abroad, with truth or falsehood, and i mean there, for example, men of mobilization age, well , it turns out that not all heroes, but, it turns out that no, not everyone is loyal to the ukrainian state, as it seemed, which was official, this was our narrative a year ago , and that we are all one society, well, well, look, well, if in our country, relatively speaking, on february 23, obviously, in the 22nd year, it is obvious that not all citizens of ukraine were deeply loyal to the ukrainian state, yes, well, well the illusion that on february 24 everyone suddenly changed to the roots, it is obvious that there was this moment of shock again, but the shock passes, you cannot
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always count on the fact that society is in a state of shock, you are very much in your text there. .. and you have a wonderful metaphor of pixel that i am alone, one pixel, can you tell, now, i so want it , that it sounded, and it's also a square metaphor, of course, that no one could then this can be predicted, and this is actually another, different meaning of the word pixel, when, er, there were all the time these online broadcasts, at some point, people realized how important it was to have this picture and what was going on. the one who went to the whole world, how beautiful it is, how impressive it is, and that's why they went not even to do something actively, but simply to be there, to be, and with... . still with my presence and to support others, but it was called, i will go, work with a pixel, i will go and be a part of this beautiful picture, and now
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we, when we say pixel, we use, we we mean something completely different, we mean a military uniform, that is, for us, the people who are in pixel are, they are military, and it seemed to me what i wrote about in the text, that it is obvious that it is very correct, that it is the people in pixels now have the utmost respect from society, it's obvious that they must eventually have the most social support that we can afford, it's like they say, it's not even discussed, it's not a matter of debate, but neither are we. let's stand up if we don't have these people who just come... and do their thing work, there were people on the maidan, who were also the front line there, especially after january 19, there were also people who threw molotov cocktails, and
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there were also people who fought with berkut, well, there were heroes, but they would be killed very quickly all of them, well, berkuto had a numerical advantage, they would have all been very quickly, crushed, beaten, as it happened in russia, as it happened in belarus, more than once, if there were not these people who simply came to stand, who simply did not en masse allowed, not allowed to destroy these, these heroes, because, well, no matter how terrible he was golden eagle, he can't do anything if you have 1000 on the square, the same is true now, without those people who just go to work, energy workers, tekiv residents, people who do their daily, boring, very often despised work
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, the country will not stand, the country will not stand also without those who do not wear a pixel, who just go to work, er , regarding, regarding expectations, i will come back regarding expectations, i recently read a study by the non-governmental organization opora about what is for ukrainians about winning, right? the expectation of victory is the red line and 70% ukrainians, something around 70, for them victory means the return of the territories and borders of 1991, yes, and this also worries me a little, given how hard the collision with reality can be, yes, when we will equally go to some version of our victory, yes, which can be a compromise, let's say, yes, wouldn't it happen that, if our victory is expected, as if it will meet the expectations,
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by society, yes, for example, if it is really a return to the territory of the 91 year and so on, everything will be fine, we experience a national triumph, and if it doesn't, yes, it will be a nation of colossal trauma, colossal, colossal national humiliation. national catastrophe, and it will be a nation that will feel resentment and anti-westernism, resentment against the west, that the west did not help us, or you, or do you see such a threat? i see, of course, well, that is, i have repeatedly had to answer the same question abroad, and why are the borders of 1991 so important to you , or maybe there is some kind of compromise, i it seems that it is very... unfair to ukrainians to put them in front of such a moral dilemma, let's hand in a certain number of our fellow citizens,
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let's be honest, let's call our things by their names, but you will hand them in, you will sentence them to life , well, in constant, constant risk of being in a filtration camp there in the basement or something else, but instead i will be there the rest of the rest of the territory. to live there in relative safety, that is, it is a moral dilemma that i think is unfair to throw at us, and that, that is, it seems to me that this is very, very wrong, and, besides , this approach itself is so, so compromising, it undermines, it undermines international law, and if it undermines international law, what does that mean? that he also undermines the legitimacy of the west in the eyes of such ukrainians, and that is why it seems to me that for ukrainians...' it is very important to feel that
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they have not been betrayed, apart from everything else, the so-called international, international system, it is very important that there is no we have this feeling, which is conventionally called yalto, and what the countries of the central and eastern europe felt of eastern europe after yaalt, that they were simply surrendered, but the reality may be that we will really be faced with this dilemma, so let's say, let 's say, theoretically, that they can tell us that the entry into nato, the whole of ukraine, is under the control of kyiv part extends, article five, yes, of the washington treaty, that is, the protection in the occupied territory does not extend, so this dilemma could theoretically arise, so do you see, do you see threats that what i was talking about will actually happen, yes feeling
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betrayal, the feeling of betrayal, and this even if there is an introduction, yes, if there is, if there is, we will be accepted, but if , even more so, we will not be accepted, but will be given again some ephemeral, some security guarantees, i constantly think about that as far as we are inside here it will be difficult to avoid this, the feeling of resentment towards the west, yes, partly, partly absolutely just, but partly unjust as well, yes. because you write very correctly in the text that we should not forget that we also called russia for decades strategic partner, and no one prevented us from striving to join nato in the 90s, and to get rid of this terrible rhetoric about the aggressive bloc in quotation marks of nato and so on, that is, we also made mistakes, but my question, my question,
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what is the prospect then, if, if this is the case, the insult... the insult will be, will we be able to, will we be able to somehow get out of this, will we actually be such an isolated society, like losers, defeated losers, uh, well , if it is about this last proposition that rasmussen, if i am not mistaken, there if i correct, of course, it says that ukraine does not give up its territories , but at the moment of this possible accession to nato, article five does not apply to the occupied territory, yes, if i understood everything correctly, but ukraine can further to win back and does not give up its goals, that is, it is one story, since they talked about it there a year and a half ago, and another is that somewhere there is a frozen conflict, somewhere we are drawing this line, and as if it,
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you know, somewhere is called to sweep the garbage under under keel, it seems to me that these are two very different stories, i am afraid that there will be an insult to the west in any case, i have already understood that there are people, groups who are starting to promote this topic, it seems very dangerous to me , the question is to what degree it can reach, i.e. will we really become like a pekarskation of offended winners , or will it still be some marginal currents, it seems to me, now it is still, well, for now it is a marginal such movement , and here, unfortunately, the ball is mostly on the west side, that is, if it happens, there will be intensive, perhaps not very fast, but most importantly intensive steps to integrate ukraine into the eu and nato.
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that is, when there will be constant, constant signals that we are advancing, advancing, maybe slowly, but advancing, this, this is one story, this can reduce this anti-western resentment in ukraine as much as possible, and we have already started talking a little about about the mistakes of ukrainian society, yes, what if something happened, if our victory was not like that, not like what we expect. they, they will be, they will be pushed out, it seems to me, from people's minds, yes, people will not think, but we also made mistakes, people will look for someone responsible and guilty for this, yes, and they will also be right, yes to a certain extent, but with regard to mistakes, whether you or you think that it is now necessary to discuss, speak, analyze and comprehend those

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