[000:00:00;00] the turn is, he insists on trade as such a tool for building foreign-political relations, and if we look specifically at the economic relations between israel and china, well, there are not very big numbers, actually, i think that here mainly the focus of china, after all, is this muslim mind, these arab countries, because it is a very interesting fact that after the meeting between biden and xi jinping, literally the next day, china was so pompously represented in morocco at a meeting of arab countries, there there was a forum arab countries, there china was presented as such , well, maybe even as a leader, that is, china is really oriented towards these arab countries, but will its peace initiatives be real now, or will history repeat itself with ukraine, well, i think we will see , how it will turn out, well, the question really arises, to what extent a country can be a mediator, when one of the parties does not consider it to be a real mediator in such

a situation. yes, yes, i agree with you, well , here is china, it is still there, i will, i think, further will try within the framework of this initiative of his, this is global security, which zazenpin has deployed, i think he will try to be a broker, but so far the only such success has been between saudi arabia and iran, and so far on other tracks, well, china he still hasn't demonstrated that he can really be such a broker. vladimir putin said at the st. petersburg international cultural forum that his name is not russia. china has never reached such a height and quality in history, do you agree with this assessment? i think that what after all, the most such, let's say, interdependent and deepened relations were during the times of, well, the ussr and china, especially during the times of stalin's ussr and, well, mamadou, when he was the head of china, and now, after all

, i think there is more. .. such pragmatism from both countries, this is such a situational relationship, when the players, again, let's take this terminology a little bit from the theory, that when both players, they try to balance against the biggest player, against the united states of america itself, and i think, that yes, there are certain points, reference points, where they have converged, it is economic complementarity, yes, it is the sale of resources to china, the whole thing is that china is entering these technological gaps that will be left by the western corporation itself. and there is a certain kind of pragmatism, namely economic pragmatism, but still the first one, magnetism, is still geopolitics, and again, we understand, we understand that international politics is very changeable, and so far they have found this formula , well, there is cooperation, they promote the so-called multipolarity, although it is obvious that well, russia is a junior partner of china, but now they have agreed to it, and that is, it works so far, but i think that it works so far if its own regime, actually putin's regime in

moscow. already after that, how relations will develop, well, it is difficult to say, given that russia, it is a little afraid of china as a global player, and as a regional leader it can accept, so as china strengthens, i think these relations will cool down, cool down, although now, well, due to these sanctions, russia's economic problems, of course, well, it is beneficial for her to have relations with china , so he says, he wants to satisfy them, he wants to show that relations are important to him, he says yes, relations are good, and we chinese stand back to back. thank you, thank you, mr. peter, petro shevchenko, an economic analyst of the itayeznats, was in touch with us, now we will talk about returning to ukraine, let's talk about religious problems, we have in touch a religious scholar, doctor of philosophy, lyudmila filipovych. congratulations ms. ludmila. good evening. well, then, let's go

let's try to understand what is happening with the current propaganda attacks on ukraine, which are being carried out by russia regarding the rights of the faithful of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate , where it is already trying to have ukraine condemned in international institutions as a country that is fighting against the religious community, i think that everything expected, because it is expected from this church that they will agree with the decision of the verkhovna rada, and before that the decision of the president's office and, in particular, the cabinet of ministers. it was useless and we expected in what forms it would manifest itself this protest, well, at first, at such a fairly primitive level, a little exalted e supporters of this church came out and tried to defend the laurel, they came out there with certain posters, but now, as they say, already heavy weapons have been introduced, that is, the person who was invited to protect

the interests, e -er, i mean exactly ogoita, this is a very serious er challenge in our legal system and in ukraine in general, since this is a person with good evidence, she speaks the russian language perfectly, which means she can read, herself the sources that are provided to her , well, he table, you don't understand, it's not the analytical notes that are written in the institute of strategic studies, or in our department of religious studies, where i work, but endless lamentations from the leadership of the ukrainian orthodox church, which believes that the current situation can be compare it with the persecutions suffered by religious people during the soviet era, although, you know, i very much doubt that we have thousands of those who were loaded into wagons and sent somewhere to siberia, or even further there

to sakhalin, all as they sat in their seats, they still sit like this, as it is customary in orthodox churches of the ukrainian legal orthodox church, and it is customary, well , the fact that some communities move and change theirs is provided for by our legislation, which , you know, changed something back in the 19th year, just in time in changing this jurisdiction, i.e. before you could change your jurisdiction only with the consent of your bishop, and now we have democracy, it was mentioned in the 19th year, and it can be done on the basis of two-thirds of the votes of the community, which decided that them for these really within the framework of some or of the moscow patriarchate or the kyiv patriarchate, then, or the autocephalous church , i think it is the other way around, these laws indicate that we are on the path of democratic development, and

the fears of the americans, in particular the same one, meaning a hired lawyer, are absolutely traditional for the american of the legal system, you know, they are so slightly turned on the issues of freedom of conscience, we remember that a special law on freedom of conscience in the international dimension was even adopted, and they very carefully follow those territories where it is happening from their point of view from the point of view of persecuting people for their religion, because for them freedom of religion is actually, well, you can say that their state, national, american religion, that is, this country, stood on the principles of freedom of religion and it is not in any fifth of the country, as they say, won't give up if someone encroaches on this particular value, and i

, as a lawyer, i'm not a lawyer, i'm a religious scholar, and i want to say that in my opinion, they will use a principle called legal normativism , that is, they will take ours the law, see: what is written there and how, that something is not carried out in accordance with that law, they will condemn the activities of our state, our courts and our experts, talking about what is written in your law, and you you don’t follow it, but it seems to me that a completely different principle should be introduced here, not this one, you know, stupid, this juridical one, i don’t want to offend lawyers, but from my point of view, taking into account the current situation of the russian-ukrainian war, and in such a difficult phase, that is, a moment was somehow chosen when we it is especially difficult at the front and we still need a little bit of babbling about our freedom of conscience, which we have always been proud of, and now i

believe that whoever wants to, confesses, so instead of this principle of legal normativism, another principle should come, that is what is missing to all absolutely international experts from my... point of view, this principle is called contextuality, i do not see in ukraine today those people who came here specifically to investigate, to understand how the rights of people in ukraine are respected in general, they judge it, you know , from those notes and those whispers and that information that reaches them only from one side, it is meant from the ukrainian orthodox church. yes, it is possible to inflate the situation to a worldwide scandal, which is actually happening right now, uh, i don’t want to say that everything that is happening in this area in our country

is often happening exclusively according to the law, that is, we know about the self-government of some local authorities, where they really use force, maybe violate the rights of these people, but these cases, believe me, are not... massive and not so already, well, it cannot be said that this is a trend, out of 12,500 communities that this church had at the beginning of the 22nd year, today they declared their desire to change their jurisdiction, only about 800 parishes. well, you inflated the hype so much, in connection with this, that, well, it is supposed to come, it is supposed that some commission was created that would come and look, it is here, you know, in reality, in the real dimension of time, and not according to those papers and the documents they read at their desks. well, in principle, such a number

of transitions means that the mp option still remains quite an influential religious organization, absolutely, yes, without a doubt, let's say, there are simply whole, you know, enclaves where this church is dominant, let's say, the same transcarpathia or bukovyna, even the vinnytsia region, i'm not talking about the eastern and southern regions, because now it is difficult there because of the military operations taking place there, who is on whose side, but as you know, some communities were so easily transferred from subordination, not just from the uoc to the ocu, to the roc, well, who does not know abbreviation, i will tell you not only from the ukrainian orthodox churches, led by henry, and they simply annexed them, quietly now, they did not even change, you know , the plaques on their churches, it was written: moscow patriarchate, ukrainian

orthodox church, well, for example, the parish of st. barbara there or someone well, here, you see, and again, a distortion, i carefully read what this newly appeared defender proposes, well, first of all, he threatens the deputies of the verkhovna rada, which is absolutely impossible to do, not even in diplomacy, i am terribly surprised, because he is a specialist in of international relations, and the more so... it means more to the pre-trial investigation, that is, he said so, you know, that the deputy, if you adopt this law in the second reading, and he even calls it incorrectly, the law on the prohibition of the uoc, it is not about ban of the uoc, it is not even mentioned there, in those appendices, which, by the way, are very short , they fit on one page, there no one rewrote the basic law, which was adopted in 1991 and for 30 years was considered one of

the most liberal and the most democratic, but here now everyone, you know, is shouting, ay-yay-yay, it means that we are violating freedom, conscience, so there is not even a mention of the ukrainian orthodox church, i want to remind you that it is about banning the activity, and not of the uoc, but of those religious organizations, whose leadership centers are located in a country recognized by the country as an aggressor, and here it falls under this... law not only, as they believe , the ukrainian orthodox church, although according to our legislation, you know, mr. vitaly, you cannot ban the church, because it is not a legal entity, it can only be prohibited only certain structural elements of this church, for example, a monastery, a parish, an educational institution, a publishing house, well, even there, which belongs, as they say, to the structure of this church, therefore, it seems to me, at the very basis of... these claims, that will be

put forward in relation to ukraine by american jurisprudence, there are inherent errors. i don't know who is now supposed to correct these mistakes, as they say, but we understand that these finances, which are invested in this case, are clearly not the amounts that have already been announced, that have been announced in the public field. that is, the price the question is much higher, and we understand what the ukrainian orthodox church is fighting for, i think that it is not for freedom of religion, but for those, you know, for the property that belongs to this church, these are insanely huge riches, and it is clear, to release them from their hands voluntarily, you know, having given it, no one is going to, well, let's see how it will end, but i want to advance' our society, that we must prepare for a very

serious and very competent conversation, communication, discussion, dispute, dialogue with representatives of american jurisprudence, believe me, there are not some boys sitting there, but there are people with degrees from harvard, prystan, cambridge, who are very good at the subject, so think about who... to expose, as they say, in this confrontation, because it is a confrontation, and again after all, we see that they are going to attract the best forces, the forces of evil, to their side, which means that our society must find those people who will be able to competently, knowing both american and procedural eyes, all the details, you know, trifles, appropriately protect the interests of our of the state that undertook

to finally put order in their religious life, in what sense, no one will interfere in the internal life of the church, which means that the state is not interested. what do you believe in, is meant, whether in trinity, or in two, or in four, how do you perceive who is god, who is jesus christ, how do you baptize, right to left or left to right, but the state in whose territory you register your congregations, one may wonder what is being said to the bell church, the churches for whom you call to pray, whose interests you defend there, well and... those 68 criminal cases that have been opened are not against the church, i want to emphasize, but against specific individuals, not even priests, not vicars of the lavra, but against specific citizens of ukraine who betrayed their state or violated articles of the criminal code,

for example , inciting inter-religious enmity, and such very similar things , i.e.... you understand that pavel lebyt received a summons not as pavel the governor of the kiev-pechersk lavra, but as citizen petro lebed, the same was done in relation to all those cases, which we know. thank you, thank you, ms. lyudmila, lyudmila filipovych , a religious scholar, a doctor of philosophy, was on the air, we will break literally for a few minutes, but don't switch, stay with us. problems with the frontal joints limit movement, it is unpleasant and painful. strengthen them with the help of longit joints, these are bags with collagen and vitamin c to restore joint cartilage. dolgit joints contributes to the normal functioning of the joints and

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pavlo kazarin, a journalist, continues our broadcast in our studio of the military service of the armed forces, congratulations, mr. pavle, good evening, well, let's just try to understand the situation in ukrainian society, because has the time come when citizens can, on the one hand, say goodbye to certain illusions, and on the other hand, say goodbye so that it does not raise some kind of simply good question , but in general it seems to me that this winter, precisely because of the level of public expectations, it will be harder than the last, not because russia will shell the ukrainian energy grid, we can assume that we have enough anti-missile defenses, we can assume that we have sufficient numbers, that our energy facilities are sufficiently protected. but just remember the circumstances we were in last winter, during the 22nd year, the ukrainian army liberated

kyiv oblast, chernihiv oblast, sumy oblast, zmiyny island and carried out the liberation of kharkiv oblast, the kharkiv counteroffensive, and already in november kherson was liberated, and in general, at that time, many people in our country believed that only the weather and the onset of winter would stop the ukrainian army, and how as soon as the heat returns, the ukrainian army... will again begin to liberate the ukrainian occupied territories, and then on the eve of the spring of the 23rd year, every guest studio in ukraine, it touched on the topic of a counteroffensive in one way or another, and everyone the hell was discussing when in the end the war will end there, and by the way, many officials and military personnel gave hope, sometimes to the ukrainian society, that there would be when the ukrainian army appears in crimea and so on. this winter we enter away in different

conditions, ah, and the results of the counteroffensive, better than everything, the results of the counteroffensive were summed up by valery zaluzhnyi in his article in the economist, and now ukrainian society, well, when there are solid victories, then victories can have many parents and everyone can consider themselves one of the co-authors of these victories, and when such final ones, in particular, there is no polybattle, this is a story about frustration, as a result of which the temptation to sacrifice each other and to look for the guilty appears, and it seems to me that the search for the guilty and this public nervousness, it is already felt in social networks, and in sociological surveys, and in particular, in a certain level of tension between politicians, and between...' rulers and sometimes the military, well, maybe it's just a matter of priorities, because just last year it really confused me, i didn't understand at all

why ukraine should, first of all, live in anticipation of a counteroffensive , there wouldn't be a contrast, it 's not like that, i would say a bloody, tragic story with people dying, but they were waiting for it like a football final, they talked about it like a final, moreover. such a football match, where our team simply cannot help but win, although we have seen it a lot of football matches where the strongest teams came out and lost to outsiders, this is the law of life , and here we are not talking about football and not about outsiders, but about a huge country, 120 million people, which is charged for war, which in general is for the sake of this charge for war lives, which for centuries fought and won precisely because it was ready to fight to the last russian, one might say, and with such a country, of course. there can be both successes and failures, this is a war, that 's clear, and we were always talking about the fact that

we just have to get out, and they immediately will flee, well, maybe it’s just a question of how society ... a realistic thinking society , which understands that in war there are victories, defeats, disappointments, days, months, years, decades, when you just have to live the war, then it’s different, that’s it perceives, it seems to me that in our country now people cannot even accept that they will live their lives in war and the lives of their children, it seems to me that society and society are always an element, and trying to somehow fight with it is all one thing that sects die. and here the responsibility lies more with the journalists or on people who consider themselves journalists, on leaders of public opinion, on politicians, in particular, that there is a difference between a journalist and a politician, when a journalist speaks is one thing, when the head of state or one of the officials speaks, it is another, not only the head of the state , not only officials, simply taking into account the fact that now in ukraine we

do not have such a military-style public policy, politicians have now turned into more of a leader... of public opinion, who in one way or another enjoy public authority and have the ability to influence someone's views, and it's more their responsibility how they're going to shape society and whether they're going to shape society that it's a marathon and not a sprint, and i think that when we think about the fact that the korean war lasted three years, the french in the french inductee fought almost eight , the americans in vietnam six and so on and so on, the iran-narak war also lasted from 81 to 86, it kind of reminds us that to adjust to what our war will end in the second or third year war, it is somehow too optimistic, given that for putin our war is the main element of his political legacy, and this means that he will continue to be ready to bury his fellow citizens in the ukrainian steppes and adjust to the fact that it will be

such a short day as a result of which we will get a quick victory. this is somehow, this is the scenario that, in the end, as a result of which social frustration appears, it seems to me that it is precisely not worth adjusting to this society. i had, interestingly, my first vacation since february 25, 22 year, and i had permission to conduct it abroad, and i remember that when i returned from abroad, and i was in frankfurt and in prague, my... boys with whom i serve together, they asked, what it is obvious, well, when you get from a country in which there is a war to a country in which there is no war, what is the first thing that catches the eye, they asked me, and i understood that nothing is obvious, because the reality between prague streets and lviv streets, well, if you do not take into

account the curfew, which lasts only 5 hours a day, almost minimal, and when we think, of course, there are front -line cities, there is kharkiv, there is zaporizhzhia, there is kramatorsk, and so on, but the reality of the streets of ivano-frankivsk and warsaw, lviv and let's say prague, they have and well between them there is no difference, i'm just leading to the fact that at this moment you begin to realize that the ukrainian rear, ah , does not live in the reality of war at all, and to a large extent for the last 21 months we exist thanks to the fact that the west supplies us with money from which we we pay and receive social benefits, and supplies us with weapons, at the expense of which the ukrainian army can resist, and if , for example, the west decides at some point that we will give you weapons for the army, but we will not give you the previous amount of money to receive social costs, then it

seems to me that only at that moment in general... the ukrainian rear will begin to live as the rear of a warring country. i just often think of the fact that , for example, in the united states, during the second world war, you could only buy 11 livres of fuel a week, that there was a card system, even though combat operations during world war ii were not conducted on the territory of the united states. and until now, over the last, last year and a half, ukraine has not encountered any in such a space of rear existence, and i am not saying that this is bad, no, it is good, but it is worth considering that at some point this reality can be very change dramatically, and when, as a result of the fact that the west will not supply us with the previous amount of money, the state will be forced to introduce additional taxes, force everyone to buy war