[000:00:00;00] at the border, and also, before that, you and your colleagues spoke on the phone with the russian children's commissioner, maria lvova bilovova, who personally knows bohdan yermokhin, because he was a friend of another boy from mariupol whom she took into custody, and i want to ask you, but did bohdan really not receive force in russia, as bilova claimed, is it true, katya, hello , unfortunately, we can say, contrary to the story, that they tried to keep the boy in russia, because his sister and lawyer repeatedly appealed to various russian officials, provided all the documents to ensure that the process of returning the boy began, but they did not respond to their requests, bohdan himself, it is a fact that he tried to escape and according to russian law, children who are 16-17 years old can cross the border, but for some reason they didn't let him

in. the reason here is clear, because the russian media more than once made materials about bohdan, told how he is doing well here, and that the ukrainian side wants to kidnap and take the boy away, but the videos that i saw from my own sources and those posts, which he wrote bohdan, they simply testified that he begs and wants to return to ukraine. maryana, in your opinion, publicity helped in this case. bohdana, because you and your colleagues also made a lot of materials for radio liberty about the history of bohdana, did it help in your opinion? in my opinion and in the opinion of human rights defenders who responded to our materials, this really helped to move this situation, especially our call to maria lvovaya bilovova, but she told us that bohdan

would leave russia before he came of age, according to the fact is he left the country when he was already... he was 18 years old and his return in general was on the verge of fantasy, no one understood whether he would be able to come home or not, and now many human rights activists believe that bohdan will become an example for others deportee children who remained there, what should be addressed, should not be silent, and they can be returned home, and bohdan himself, i can say, will also deal with the return of ukrainian children who are currently in deportation. maryana, what else will bohdan do, and do you know where he is? now, did he go to kyiv, that is, he plans to live in ukraine, as a dream in your article it was said that he really wanted to come to kyiv, well, according to my information, bohdan is now in kyiv and he plans to stay in the capital of the country , in addition, he plans to continue his musical career, and very soon we will see and hear

the song that bohdan dedicated to ukraine and ukrainian defenders, recorded in a tv studio, and also participate in human rights activities. thank you, maryana. i will remind our viewers that the materials of the tiyak project can be found on the pages of radio liberty. there is also a separate telegram channel, and you really devoted a lot of material to the topic of bohdan and his history. maryana sych, a journalist of the teyak project, was a guest of our broadcast. we will continue to talk about this story, about the release of the deportee. a ukrainian from mariupol, bohdan yarmokhin, is now joined by dmytro lubinets, the verkhovna rada's human rights representative, to our broadcast. dmytro, i welcome you to our broadcast, thank you for joining and i certainly congratulate you on your return, bohdan, i understand that you also put in a lot of effort what is the future fate of bohdan , according to your information, where will he live, because he is an orphan from mariupol, and it is obvious that there is no place for him to stay there, or

will the state help somehow, or is it possible. are there still any options to help him there with the same housing, with studies? well, first of all, the task of the state was to return bohdan, which we did, again with all due respect to everyone, but it was the state institutions, institutions that performed this work, yesterday bohdan came to kyiv, he is currently in kyiv, and so on in my opinion, as the human rights representative of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, it is the state that should do now... everything for bohdan to have housing, er, for him to continue his education, training, and after that he has all the opportunities for self-development , let's say this, dmytro, you and president zelenskyy pointed out and indicated the help of cef in the negotiations, the country of qatar and the embassy of ukraine in belarus, all these parties conducted negotiations from russia, this is how it happened, who was the main negotiator from this side and who was

negotiator from the russian side, herself lviv-bilov, well, from the ukrainian side, i conducted all the negotiations, already publicly, repeatedly, we show... that qatar helps us, we returned four children, bohdan became the fifth, and as of now we are working on, another return ukrainian children with the direct participation of qatar. for the first time, unicef took part in the return of a ukrainian child, it was their wish, our proposal, and the russian side did not express it. protest against this, we saw that unicef also got involved, i cannot disclose the details, who was responsible for what, how how did it work out, i will say frankly that i personally and my team

started dealing with the case of bohdan's return, since september 14 of the current year, when i personally spoke with bohdan on the phone, until now there have been no official appeals to me or to our institution, that before his return, we knew about this story, followed it, but precisely, after i asked bohdan a direct, direct question, whether he is ready to do everything that will depend on him to really return to ukraine, he said yes, i really want to, and after that we began to work out the issue, from the russian side, i will even say publicly that i also contacted maskalkova, and as far as i know, through intermediaries, they contacted lviv and bilova. well, to what extent in general, it is necessary to listen here to a minor person, a child who was deported there and taken away

by russia, because in this way she listened to bohdan and lviv bilovov, she assured the journalists of the tyyak project that bohdan, after he was not allowed to leave, to cross the border of belarus, ukraine, that he... later in the end, he himself refused these wishes to come to ukraine and that he wanted to live in russia, that is, the situation here, so that he can, this child, in general, this person can not tell the truth, talking on the phone, being on the territory of that country, the occupier, yes, thank you very much for the question, this is probably the most problematic issue that we raise and discuss during the negotiations, how to really establish willingness or unwillingness. child to return to ukraine, because russia is using it, i will draw your attention to the fact that it was even organized press conference, this was done by moskalkovova, where under the cameras, bohdan was directly asked if

he wanted to return to ukraine, he answered yes, i understand that we need to return all the children, even if in public they are on the territory of the russian federation... say no, we don't want to go back, we can, we can't, and we clearly understand that this is done under pressure that we cannot check, prevent this pressure from the russian federation, but nevertheless, that's why i asked bohdan this the question is whether he is ready personally to do everything, i understood how difficult the track for bohdan would be after such recent activity on the part of the russian side, and including that it depended on bohdan whether he would return or not, and there is one more heroine in bohdan's return, this is his sister,

valeria, because legally we made all the documents for the sister, that the sister is the official guardian , well, she already was, because bohdan is already of legal age, after that these documents were transferred through intermediaries, as far as i know, to the russian side, they also looked at them, and after that this, there were no longer any arguments why not to return bohdan, therefore this nuance, asking the children whether they want to return to ukraine or not, on the one hand, from the point of view of international humanitarian law, we should not do this, we should return all ukrainian children, on the other hand, we understand that we are constantly facing opposition from the russian federation, so i had to not only take this into account, but immediately... understand how we will, well, neutralize it, let's say this, if russia publicly continued her mantra that bohdan he doesn’t want to return, he likes everything, it helped, it helped, yes, and if we talk

about bohdan’s former friend, yes, in the publications, he talked about him, the boy whom leva-bilova took under her care, for example, yes, then in in this situation, what can be so that there is such a well-known story of such a well-known guy, he is returned to ukraine, also his public consent? eh, you know, as i say, i start commenting on the return of the child, exactly after the child is already in the territory of ukraine, as of now, i don’t know, how difficult it will be, or, but to date, no one has officially contacted me regarding assistance in the return of this child, but this does not mean that we are not working on the issue of the return of all children, as well as this child in particular, philip, the main this guy's name you can read about him in particular on the pages of radio liberty. i also wanted

to ask about bohdan yarmokhin. he was a student of the mariupol higher metallurgical vocational college, in whose dormitory he met the beginning of a full-scale invasion, and the ex-director of this institution, oleksiy yefimenko took responsibility for the children, such children without guardianship, as if they were minors , are responsible for themselves, and the state institution only financially provided for them, that is , these children were not evacuated, they lived in basements there, survived as they could, and as the russian side claims, the russian military found them and took them there, first to donetsk, then to russia, does the state have any claims to such a position of the head of the institution? there are, and not only claims, again, my position, as a person who holds a position, in fact , an institution that must control and

check the actions of state executive bodies. unequivocally, the state is responsible for all children who are without parents, who are with guardians, guardians, and in this case we see such, you know, a vivid example that, unfortunately, due to the irresponsible position of one leader, we actually lost a lot children therefore , it is necessary to deal with this as quickly as possible, our institution has developed a legal reaction, how should we act in such cases stories, i will say frankly, this is not a unique story, we have several similar heads of institutions, on which legal moments are currently being held, let's call it that. uhu, and these managers are in the territory of ukraine? no, temporarily.

on the territory of ukraine, some on the territory of the russian federation, but again, no one stopped us from carrying out our work, regardless of where they are, today they are there, and who knows where they will be tomorrow, ugh, and the aforementioned head of the mariupol metallurgical vocational school, oleksiy yefimenko is also in ukraine, not ready to say where he is physically at the moment, dmytro, i can't. to ask you about one more topic, because the story surrounding iryna farion gained a lot of publicity, you called on the sbu to check her actions, but she calls it all pressure on herself, looking for enemies among her own and says that this is persecution, and after that , as journalist enina sokolova was outraged by the inspection of the fifth channel, through an interview with iryna farion, you noted that the media should draw conclusions and solve the problem of hate speech, in which you consider the actions of ms. faron to be a violation of the law, why, that is, there are two stories here, yes, one story with a crimean, with

a crimean boy who wrote her letter to chiydan, she published it, and another story, these are statements from about the russian-speaking ukrainian military, well , i will say right away that i have never applied to check the fifth channel or other channels, i sometimes apply to the national commission for issues of radio broadcasting. television, i directly indicate that, in my opinion, it is necessary to check, in this case, it was irina's statements farion, which they mentioned, is under the program of yanina sokolova. regarding the appeal to the security service of ukraine, in my opinion , i saw the spread of hate speech and discriminatory statements against ukrainian citizens who use... languages ​​of national minorities, this is the legal interpretation.

regarding my position, i always emphasized and publicly showed that there was never a problem with the language in ukraine, we live in ukraine, everyone should know and use the ukrainian language, as a people's deputy, i i have always supported the ukrainian language, now in my position i do the same... on all the problematic, problematic issues regarding the use of both the ukrainian language and the issue of the languages ​​of national minorities, the problem is that there are always different representatives, be it the authorities , or other institutions, used the language issue as a pr, their own pr, that's why, you know, my desire, including to appeal to representatives of the mass

media, not to play along and not use a similar factor to split ukrainian society. tim more so, if it concerns our military , who are now with weapons in their hands, on the frontline defending our territorial integrity with you, so there are no questions here at all, and there has never been a problem here, and believe me, when you go and talk to the military on the frontline, that by the way, i do it regularly, so you won't see any problems with the language there , that's how different languages ​​are used, but that's why ukraine also adopted a law on the protection of the rights of national minorities, including the use of the languages ​​of national minorities. dmytro, regarding the guy, a student from crimea, whose data was published by ms. iryna farion, have they established the identity of this guy, does he really exist, because ms. farion says

that it could be, in general, this whole story could be a provocation, the problem is because there is a lot, can is used. and state authorities, including, i use verified information, according to the information i received from our intelligence agencies, this guy does not just exist, this guy is really in the temporarily occupied territory of ukraine, but precisely in the ukrainian crimea, and because of, again, this lady's unreasonable actions, now the guy , in my opinion... is at risk of both physical detention and psychological pressure, i definitely do not want this guy to add to the lists of civilian hostages, which , unfortunately, is becoming more and more every day due to the actions of the russian federation. dmytro, don't you think there were violations in the procedure for firing

ms. farion, because the sbu check has not taken place, there are no conclusions yet, given the presumption of innocence, is it possible to fire a person like that publicly. by publishing the order, without even notifying her beforehand. if ms. farion believes that her rights have been violated in this case, she can officially contact me, and a proceeding will be opened, i will check to what extent her rights were violated and to what extent the procedure was violated by the management of this university. hasn't there been such an appeal yet? no, i thank you, dmitry, for joining our broadcast. dmytro lubinetsu. svoboda ranok was a guest of the verkhovna rada on human rights. today , the head of the pentagon lloyd came to kyiv with an unannounced visit austin, he wrote about this on his former twitter page. i will quote further: i am here today to convey an important message. the united states will continue to support ukraine in its

work for freedom against russian aggression, both now and in the future, he wrote. according to the us defense ministry, he will meet with leaders in ukraine and hold high-level negotiations with the leadership. the meeting takes place on the eve of the next round of the ramstein-style meeting of defense ministers, which is scheduled for november 22. meanwhile, another statement from hungarian prime minister viktor orban. this time he declared that he would oppose ukraine's accession to the european union. the politician made such a statement during a speech before the congress of the fidesz party, which is already headed by him. he stated that it is necessary to correct the mistake. a promise to ukraine regarding joining the eu and to have no illusions about the russian war against ukraine. a serious political struggle awaits us in the coming months before the european elections. there will also be a discussion of the budget in brussels, correction of the false promise to start negotiations with ukraine

our task, since ukraine is now light years away from the european union. according to orbán, the politics of brussels. correct and his country has to resist with all its might, according to him, budapest should not leave the eu, but change it. ukraine's other neighbors, poland, romania and slovakia, which are also members of the european union, have not publicly denied ukraine's future membership, but they have economic claims. slovakia supported poland in blocking the movement of ukrainian trucks on the territory of ukraine, however, the reuters agency, citing sources in brussels, reported that the approval to start negotiations in december. under threat, and according to these sources, it is the resistance of hungary, which is most likely to vote against the start of negotiations, that may cause the postponement of these negotiations, an unnamed high-ranking official told reuters that some eu leaders suggested returning to this topic in march 24 , that's when the european commission will present another assessment

of ukraine's progress on the way to the eu, and we also remember such wishes with you of the ukrainian authorities to start these negotiations already this year. serhiy gerasimchuk, deputy executive director of the ukrainian prism foreign policy council, joins our broadcast. i congratulate you, mr. orban called the issue of inviting ukraine to negotiations with the eu a serious... political struggle, in your opinion, are these rumors, which, not rumors, but the sources reported by the reporters there, is it really possible that because of the opposition of hungary, these negotiations can be postponed? i would like to draw attention to two aspects. first, orban consciously or not unconsciously put two things in one basket in his speech. the european budget and negotiations on ukraine's membership in the european union. it is obvious that orbán is... trying to negotiate for himself access to european funds that have been blocked, that have been frozen for him in connection with violations by fidesz and orbán of the principles

of the rule of law of the european union. the second point is that negotiations will begin and a political decision on this matter is already available. we can guess whether they will start in december or january or march, but they will start during the terms of the current european commission and the current one. that is, already next year and even before the elections to the parliamentary elections to the european parliament. what can orbán do? orban can really slow down this process, but i do not think that this harmonization is beneficial to hungary itself, and orban is also aware that after starting negotiations, it will be easier for him to put pressure on ukraine by including his wishes and demands in the negotiating position of the european union, it will be easier for him to put pressure on ukraine in matters of europe, european values, including defense

minority rights, and orbán is aware that these negotiations will start one way or another, but being a pragmatic and sometimes even cynical politician, he is trying to do as much as possible to start this negotiation process, for hungary itself. well, about the fact that hungary has disputes with the eu due to alleged violations of the standards of the rule of law and human rights. this is what observers say, which led to the delay of billions of euros in funds from the eu, well, orban himself denies that this may be the reason for ukraine's opposition to the eu, and if to talk about how seriously, let's say, orbán will oppose this, that is, could it be that this is just a block on this issue at all, he will block it, regardless of what concessions the eu might make , i... would not bet on such a scenario for one simple reason : if you paid attention to how

the decision-making process takes place in the european union, then indeed, sometimes states come forward to block certain initiatives of the european union and european commission, however, it has never happened that one state could block the decision of the entire european union, formally it is possible, but in practice the blocking was always done by coalitions of states. orban was counting on poland a lot, and poland was indeed an ally of orban for a long time, and they had an unspoken agreement with mr. kaczynski that if the european union pressured poland, hungary would make such decisions, if he pressured hungary, poland would make such decisions. such decisions, however, kaczynski himself refused from this policy, having recognized orbán's pro-russianness, but now with the likely new government the situation will change even more. it can be assumed that orbán will look for an ally, an ally in... the new slovak prime minister, fico, but even here everything is unconvincing, because slovakia is still very dependent on the european union, it is a state that is a member of

the eurozone, by the way, the most famous a member of the eurozone, and of course slovakia will listen not only to orbán's political proposals, but also to economic initiatives from the european union, so i assume that orbán will raise the stakes and do, will do everything to make sure that people are convinced, politicians are convinced that he is willing to go to the last, but it is unlikely that he will actually go to the last, i assume that the negotiation process will still be started, at least i remain i am an optimist in this, that is, there will be no such anti-ukrainian coalition in the eu , because in the summer of 2022, the deputy prime minister and minister of european integration of ukraine, olga stefanishyna, said that all the countries of the european union proposed to give ukraine a different format, and not the status of a candidate for membership, and that the main opposition comes from three states, then she did not name these states, well, we can assume that it was hungary, and what other two states? well, i don’t get up, i certainly don’t have a post on such information, i didn’t start to invent what

other countries these are, orbán in every possible way promoted theses that in fact he acts not only in the interests of hungary, but also fulfills the tasks of the germans and says something that the germans are uncomfortable pointing out. that is, it is rather a myth and an attempt to share responsibility. the political decision in germany has also already been made. of course not about some accelerated accession to the eu. it is about the implementation of all norms and the approximation of legislation and negotiations on each section of the european union treaties, however, i do not think that here... some changes are possible. we have a consensus of the political elites, the current political elites and the european commission. we also have a consensus that this european commission will be supported even after the parliamentary elections, because the cdu, the csu, and the spd are the two leading german political forces, which sometimes compete with each other in to the european parliament, they said that they would bet on usula fondelain as

the next leader, so this decision is political and there is a window of opportunity for its adoption. yes, i don't think that orbán currently has the potential to prevent this, it will be a different matter if the issue drags on until hungary's presidency of the european union and after the parliamentary elections to the european parliament, then the situation could change, but i i hope that the key decisions will be made as of now, and the hungarian presidency in the second half of next year, we will somehow be able to survive, it is only half a year, and the negotiations, let's be realistic, will take longer than half, so orbán will not be the one who will make the final decision, i really hope that in hungary by the time the decision on ukraine's membership is made, young elites will come, and it is with these young elites that we must work right now, and orban will simply be forgotten, mr. serhiy, we have one minute, but can poland become such a country that at least resists, we are now we see blocked

trucks that cannot cross the ukrainian-polish border, we see that slovakia has joined the protesters there for an hour promising further, can slovakia and poland become adversaries, they simply raise the stakes at the stages of forming the position of the european union regarding the negotiations, they will demand money from the european union to compensate for possible economic losses, but at the same time they can demand this money only when it comes to ukraine's membership, because if there is no question of membership, then no additional funds from the eu also doesn’t have to calculate, it won’t have to, ugh, thank you, we’ll follow the situation then, nevertheless , everything looks really very, very interesting, here ukraine can negotiate directly with these countries on economic matters, not through, and this and that are necessary to do, it must be done now, before they submitted proposals to the european union and before the european union came up with a common position in the negotiation process, so it is necessary to negotiate now, to negotiate both personally with the country and also

through the european union, these institutions, thank you serhiy, that geresymchuk, deputy executive director of the ukrainian prism foreign policy council, was our guest. this is svoboda ranok, here every morning from 9:00 a.m. on weekdays we collect important news for you, we talk about what is happening at the front and about the military and political situation in ukraine and beyond, but today we also talked about european integration. you can find more news on the radio liberty website. also, radio liberty is on various social networks, find where it is more convenient for you, subscribe, or stay up to date with events, and i and the entire freedom morning team, we wish you a peaceful day and see

you tomorrow, 10 o'clock on the clock, time to find out what is happening in ukraine and the world, at this time, khrystyna parubiy works in the studio. us defense minister lloyd austin arrived in kyiv with an unannounced visit, he reported on social media. the head of the pentagon came to kyiv against the background of the adoption of a temporary budget in the usa without pledged funds for aid to ukraine. during the visit, the minister noted that he was connected. the us will continue to support ukraine in its struggle for freedom against russian aggression. in the morning, the russian army shelled the parking lot of a transport company in kherson. two drivers died. another person is injured. a total of nine victims of russian attacks in the region during the day, among them a three-year-old child - reported