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what news will be analyzed by the guests of the project this week and who will be the guest of the studio, we will find out already this sunday, definitely the topics will be relevant and the guests will be special. proper names with myroslava barchuk. sunday: 17:10 at epresso. espresso - interesting facts. for 10 years of existence. the espresso tv channel broadcasts its own broadcasts in more than 30 countries around the world. ukraine, austria , belgium, great britain, ireland, italy , estonia, canada, latvia, lithuania, germany, poland, united states, montenegro, switzerland.
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today, espressa tv channel is celebrating its tenth anniversary. it was definitely one of the most difficult periods in the history of ukraine. the story of preso began in november 2013 with a broadcast from the maidan. it was then that the journalists of the tv channel began to work for the benefit of the people of ukraine, because thanks to such information activity, the content of the tv channel was picked up by the respected world media and the world learned about the events in ukraine. the tv channel continues this work to this day, talking about the full-scale war, the situation in the occupied territories, in particular, the situation in my homeland in crimea. more to come, happy anniversary. glory to ukraine. 25 km, this is what he confirmed to us yesterday. in person, the former
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deputy of the polish diet, myroslav czach, who traveled from poland to ukraine. this is what is being done on the blocked western borders. now we will talk about this and other things with olga trofimtseva, the acting minister of agrarian policy and food in the 19th year, the special envoy of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine. mrs. olga, we congratulate you. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, i congratulate you. what to do with those carriers? well, look, we are fine. we understand that now the new government of donald tusk is actually being formed, this is such a period of transformation, transfer of power in poland, from our side, someone from the government committees also left there, but it’s crazy, it’s only growing, and it even looks tragic on the borders, on the western borders, where one of the associations of polish transporters, who by the way at one time drove their trucks to belarus and russia, they keep a blockade and everything, even
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kiltesh, what can be done with them? yes, you know, the situation is really escalating, more moreover, we have already heard a statement from our deputy minister of infrastructure, who says that there are cases , confirmation that even humanitarian goods or fuel are not allowed through the border, which was promised not to be done, so the situation, well, looks really quite dramatically, let's put it bluntly, regarding what to do, and by the way, you mentioned the association of transporters of poland, and here it seems to me that we need to look even more closely at how the market of transportation and road transportation looks in general today in the european union, i i think there too there will be many interesting moments, including the extent to which polish carriers dominate, let's put it bluntly, yes, in this area, on this market, even displacing the same german colleagues or others.
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accordingly, the first step, it is definitely necessary to work in a triangle with the european commission, we have seen statements from the eu regarding what, or rather , let's say these statements, they have not been official yet, but nevertheless, it can be said there was a small leak of information about the fact that the european commission in principle ready for some such, let's call it punitive measures, or disciplinary measures against polish carriers. and the government, by the way, which is really in the process of transformation or precisely the transfer of power in poland, and is also not, in this case , on the side of the carriers, yes, that is, there is no such government support, let’s say their position, and this also a plus for us, of course, accordingly, this is diplomatic work from the side, as you rightly said, we see some of our representatives, but everyone from the relevant ministries needs to work here, and
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ending there with the ministry of agrarian policy, for example, or the ministry of economy, because in principle all sectors suffer from this, we understand that this is the case with the ukrainian economy, and we need to work now with the european commission so that these unofficial statements regarding disciplinary steps become truly official , and here you can do it absolutely calmly, and the second point is also a pleasure for me, by the way, i received information literally yesterday from our legal colleagues from poland, where ukrainian companies, including ukrainian ones, work, for example, oikon and so on, who said that they are ready to start legal steps as well , yes, let's say this, in fact, legal procedures are in relation to those companies and associations, associations that are currently engaged in similar activities on the border of ukraine and poland , here it is necessary that our also , accordingly, associations of carriers and other economic associations, join, file lawsuits,
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take advantage of this opportunity, so companies that offer similar services, that is , we have to, probably, have to raise pressure from all sides, diplomatic, legal, but there is one point here, look, on the one hand, these are our biggest allies, uh, and polish aid is huge in every dimension, humanitarian, except for this carrier association, that is, if you look at this case, does it threaten the deterioration of official relations between warsaw and kyiv, or does this story threaten the deterioration of , let's say, the horizontal ties that currently exist between ukrainian-poles and polish support in particular. no, you know, i don't think so, there's a division to be made here, and we by the way, we already had a precedent, during the protests of polish farmers, if you remember, we also
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discussed this issue with the audience on the air of your channel, and regarding what our polish partners, our polish friends, i will still say, yes, they themselves spoke about the fact that we remain on the side of ukraine, we support ukraine one hundred percent, but there are some pragmatic economic interests that we should take care of and talk about separately, well, in this case, we also have just such here is the moment, moreover, i would like to emphasize once again, if the association poland's carriers first proposed some dialogue format, i don't know there, don't block, that's how these transitions are, don't block ko and first sit down and negotiate, yes, look for some way out of the situation, and if nothing is already found, then start something like this actions, but not to take such unilateral steps, which are actually really threatening, they actually harm both sides, let's say it directly, because here we will
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also see support from polish business, why, because from poland to ukraine, on today, poland is our largest trade, commercial and economic partner within the eu, it also travels a lot of cargo, and accordingly, any such obstacles, any complications at the border, and they are not only for us, it is clear that for us they are more so, well, sensitive, yes, let's say that, but they are also very unpleasant for polish business, accordingly, here i think there are many factors that we can use now, ms. olga, and then, let's yes, for people who are not familiar with logistics and transportation, just saw the tires, as they say, let's figure out what is the root cause and whether there are any economic mechanisms or political ones, because i see how, in slovakia, yes, the union of truckers made
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a high german at the crossing, such a warning blocking and also issued a statement, as the newspaper teres writes, we are closing for an hour, ahead of time. our goal is to support our polish colleagues. we didn't see that either, until fico appeared there, the scandalous prime minister, who was demolished by the maidan of his time, and in general, all these pro-russian brothers of his came to power. as soon as fitz appeared, such stories started, maybe a person will immediately think, maybe some kind of politics is at play here, because they, like orban, are anti-ukrainian, but is there some kind of financial mechanism? economic lies in the reason that slovaks are also starting this, and you know, well, from the point of view of slovakia, i think that there is really more politics here, and more of such populism, i would even say, yes, political, here, but regarding the situation, in general, of course, there are probably economic factors as well,
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which forced the polish, polish carriers there to resort to such steps , but i emphasize once again, this is... the market, this is the market , really now, which is quite fast, well , including, because of the war, and because of the problems with sea exports, and because of...' for the fact that the railway is also a bottleneck, in fact , in trade operations, in trade flows between the eu and ukraine, and it is just that the market of transportation, road transportation felt and developed quite well, and of course, what can we say, there may be some economic reasons, if to speak once again about the poles, who occupy a considerable share, yes, in the eu market, namely in road transport and in logistics. but here it is always necessary to emphasize that these points should be separated
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, so if there are any economic disputes, or questions about, i don't know, economic competition in this or that sector, whether it is agricultural or metallurgical, whether it is logistics in this case or the service sector, it should be resolved through negotiations, and not go and close the borders or do some other things similar actions, which are really harmful once again, you rightly said, it imposes... of course such a negative impression on general political relations as well, but i am sure that it will not have a critical effect, because once again we see that in this case, polish carriers are more or less isolated here, and we see a fairly clear position on the part of the eu , there will be, i think, it has been officially announced, we do not see support from the polish government regarding this position, and we think , we will also see some legal... diplomatic steps steps, so we will watch here, i think that
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in the coming weeks this situation will be for days and weeks, the situation will develop quite actively, well, and just judging by the end, if there are even some legal procedures, the legislative truth is on the side of the ukrainian carriers, or or vice versa, because of this history with the beginning of the russian invasion, ukrainian carriers received more favorable conditions and have the opportunity to dump, and thus the carriers were outraged by it, that these are not market conditions of competition, because it is i who is now voicing the version, which is often heard from the side of polish carriers, those who are rallying, well, first of all, look , as far as i know, and the same lawyers of this oikongrup, they say that now we have really, really good chances together with polish lawyers
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, who are ready to support us, to challenge precisely the actions regarding the blocking of borders, because even once again , if there is any dispute regarding the conditions of competition, if there is any dispute, a dispute regarding issues related to some additional preferences, first of all, there are european mechanisms and procedures for such disputes solving and blocking borders is definitely not included in these mechanisms and procedures, respectively. here, i think that from a legal point of view, we absolutely have every chance to also prove that our polish colleagues, logisticians and carriers are wrong here, for sure. ok, let's see what the european commission will do in the coming days, thank you for the clarification, ms. olga, olga trofimtseva, acting minister of agrarian policy and food in the 19th year , ambassador on special assignments of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, explained us, a difficult situation on western borders, i can now
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bring to your attention an unexpected very archival video, and this archival, black and white video, this, marilyn monroe. many elites, mr. president, sang marilyn monroe, not to this president, but today, as they say at the box office, because today is the 81st birthday of the president of the united states, joe biden, well, we can also say happy summer to him, congratulations, wish him a strong health, faster transfer of f-16 and attacks from... such a gift to us, well, many summers from us,
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we changed, fine, and we will talk in the meantime also about very important things , which are called anti-corruption practices, as a prerequisite for our european integration, they are on the march, we will talk about it with the public activist and lawyer tetyana kozachenko, mrs. tetyana, congratulations, glory to ukraine, heroes glory, greetings to all. i want to ask you right away about these anti-corruption bodies, which as part of our anti-corruption reform did not take place without the support of our western partners, because you and i are together in ukraine, where the fight against corruption always comes second, the first is itself corruption, and in this case, as far as you consider the changes that have been announced now, here shurma himself will be involved in changing bebu's philosophy, and in the meantime, there is also an idea from the parliamentary
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committee, well, there you go, i want to hear these initiatives from you, that is, they imitate turbulent activity, stormy, are these really changes? you ask difficult questions, we are currently in evolutionary processes all the time, people are fighting to have transparent government bodies, and we talk about the fact that we are always trying to provide better mechanisms, better tools specific officials, but let's be honest, if we don't even talk about... in any format, in a human format, you can take any artist, give him any pencil to draw a picture, if he wants to draw, he he paints it, if he is given incredible tools, all , all the colors in the world, he can create a masterpiece, but even if a specialist who does not want to work is given the best tools,
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nothing will happen, anti-corruption bodies were created. even their existence and the thesis of how society fought for it, and the international community, in order to reduce as much as possible the political influence on those bodies that should carry out anti-corruption policy and investigate corruption crimes , virtually everything was done to create these bodies, and what we saw, we saw huge criticism, we had different leaders, starting from the huge struggle, remember, between kholodnytskyi and sytnyk, now the new leaders began to choose a less public position in order not to draw attention to themselves, but in principle, at the present moment, precisely if there is trust in the newly created bodies, it is a credit of trust, we see, but what we are trying all the time, as i said, to give them
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the best colors, but we are not sure that these leaders and these bodies and those employees who work there ... really, they are trying to use these colors to the fullest extent, therefore the legislation and the changes that are taking place, they are taking place on the one hand in order to strengthen as much as possible in various ways, through the selection of personnel, through the introduction of new tools, rules, in order to they had even more opportunities to investigate anti-corruption crimes and to be, let's say, to be as autonomous as possible according to the policy, but how it is implemented is a struggle, it is a struggle between parliaments, between interested persons, between international, between public organizations that have influence, in particular on international partners, and we now we see that the draft law 1060, which is in the parliament,
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already has so many amendments, so many additional proposals have been made there. that even lawyers and members of the specialized committee do not know the final version that gets into parliament and for which one should vote, and this is a problem, what do they want to do? they want to make sap more independent, they want it not to report directly to the prosecutor general's office, because the head of sap is actually the deputy prosecutor general, so that they have their own budget and that they can directly form their own... state, they want to cancel some of those innovations , which took place, amendments to the law, this is when the law enforcement agency set the term of the pre-trial investigation, that is, they had to investigate what crime, for example, if it is a serious crime, we are talking there for, for example, 18 months, and we did not lay down , then accordingly the case is no longer there, and we remember these corrections of the vine at the level
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of an anecdote, but you understand, in reality, everything is not so simple, on the other hand you and i... we live in ukraine and we know how much the law enforcement agencies abuse their rights, the prosecutor's office, the security service, and in particular sap and nabu, sometimes they don't go outside either, because they follow these procedures, they also act on the basis of the same norms of the criminal code. i entered so many cases when people have they take away business, they are persecuted by officials, when it goes unreasonably, criminal proceedings are instituted against it. and then for years, i will put it bluntly, they give nightmares to businesses or people, so that, let’s say, they are more loyal to certain political elites, demands, so it cannot be that a criminal investigation is conducted against a person for years, the state must to have appropriate terms, that is why there are many controversial issues, i understand, because you have a professional
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lawyer speaking, and politicians, when they talk about the corrections of the vine, they have a political dimension, look, we don't have much time, but you actually touched the most important thing, especially since you have good practice, you remember from the time when society demanded lustration, you remember what was on paper and in ideas and how in practice it progressed with difficulty with ours, there was no lustration, there was a small law on lustration procedures that helped, but in reality lustration was not implemented in the country, and now i ask you, actually about this anti-corruption reform on paper it is perfect, in practice, look , in practice, it is somehow it looks very strange, because even a person who does not come across this, but when he hears about the corruption scandals committed by rostyslav shurma, yermak's deputy from the banking department, well , do you remember those refunds at least for
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green energy on occupied territories, and he advocates, in fact, now with the idea of the reform of the economic security bureau, when we talk about law enforcement agencies and anti-corruption their reform, but we remember the mint of yanukovych, tatarov, who voiced what's up mrs. office of the president until now, well, he too, and he actually interferes in the work of law enforcement agencies in a manual mode, here is the news of this morning, the suspended deputy head of the national police tyshlyk, well, his wife has a russian passport, so he continues to receive a salary, here we live in in real terms, we will succeed within the framework of at least the same european integration. this is finally paper, what is written on paper, and real life to be compared, and at the same time to clean the organs from corruption, which are told on tv
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us from morning to night about anti-corruption practices. let me return to the example i gave. you did not say about the problems of legislation. in ukraine, at the moment, anti-corruption legislation is one of the best in the world. currently, our anti-corruption legislation. much better than in most european countries because we have integrated all possible practices, does that help? you yourself said now, regarding personnel appointments, there is a possible question, in particular, now not only in instruments and legal norms, which are not implemented, and in particular with those human resources that implement them, when we had a competition for a specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office for two years, why did it happen? and we all the time look at those who are elected, but the priority is first of all who elects, who are the members of the commission, how they behave, how
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they elect and delegate, what is the trust in them, so at the moment we are with you in legal evolutionary processes, this means that in principle every day there are forces, public society, international organizations that are trying to implement an act that will help ukrainian law enforcement agencies to become better, and i would focus here not only on sap, because if they want to make sap independent from the prosecutor general's office, then the question arises, then we will have whole independent bodies of executive power and law enforcement agencies that will compete with each other, in particular, this is also a risk, it means that we want to create something good, but at the same time we say that the prosecutor general's office does not meet international standards, and this is
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risk, we should know that the norms of the cpc should apply equally to all law enforcement agencies, for officials there should be the same responsibility as for citizens, because we are talking about corruption, even among officials, but in particular, law enforcement agencies and sap, not beyond corruption. because corruption is not only money, it is political influence, it is loyalty, it is selectivity, it is all corruption, and you should not think that you can build communism in a separate collective farm, sap will not be ideal if we do not engage in reforms and implementation the correct policy regarding personnel selection and regarding the same practice of the rule of law in all law enforcement agencies, and what the parliament will say to us with this draft law, we will see, because at the moment, unfortunately, the final wording and understanding of the key positions of the parliament regarding this law
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there is no ms. tatyana, thank you for the analysis and comments. tetyana kozachenko, a public figure, i am a lawyer, was in touch with us about the realities of anti-corruption reform, in particular, as regards the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office and not only. as you can see, everything is very good in theory, but in practice it rests on personnel policy, where corrupt officials fight corruption. well, it's time for me to say goodbye to you. with espresso in a few minutes. khrystyna parubiy, the espresso team , with the latest news for you, and we will meet with you tomorrow. ordinary things become unreal. heavy bags are not for my sore back. for back pain,
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i would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the espresso tv channel on its birthday and on its tenth anniversary. the past 10 years were not just years of formation of our statehood, they were years of struggle for statehood, years of defending our values, the perimeter of our freedom, our independence, years of defending our identity and identity. it is clear that during such processes the role of the media is particularly important, so it is very nice to have them as friends such a tv channel. to have among friends such people who really accompany all these processes, comment on them, and in fact in every way voice those things that are important for every ukrainian today. friends, happy birthday to you, happy anniversary, happiness, joy, goodness, prosperity to all of us, victory is a clear thing. glory to ukraine.
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