operational, operational support of our military, regarding any issues related to the operation of our complex, as well as regarding repair issues. do you implement such a model, in particular such a replacement fund, when you have a certain complex there and when the military there complains that the complex there is damaged or some of its key components are damaged, you can put this reserve complex, and then repair and replace it with what the military already has at its disposal are certain experienced crews. with whom we cooperate even there starting from the 15th year and sometimes, if our enterprise fund allows , then we use this opportunity, and when we are now talking about the expansion of production, about the scaling of production, your pace is quite high, you talked about two complexes per day , this is actually, well, i understand 60 complexes per month, and then the question arises, is there a need to expand , industrial... capacity and what are the main

problems now, relatively speaking, it is a lack of capacity, a lack of finances, a lack of personnel, a lack of components, etc. which of these directions are there so the most difficult to satisfy, if the question of increasing the number of sample production does come up, well, look, all these questions that you sounded, that is, with all these questions, all the young companies that are now scaling up are the same as we once were, they they are faced with, first of all, i want to say that it is a lack of quality production premises in general, that is, when we are looking for something to rent, when we need to increase production capacity, it is very difficult to find a ready-made solution, in general, it is some old factories that need to be fully restored to meet our needs, so first of all, it is a lack of buildings to organize our production.

as for the lack of experienced personnel, this problem exists, that is why in our company we have introduced training courses for our own personnel, that is, we now practice that we take a person from scratch and train him for a certain position, of course, it is quite difficult when it comes about the engineers, designers who work for us in the design bureau in our r&d department, so if there is a lack of specialists, he really exists today. as for the lack of components, this is more a matter of service, i.e., in order to, for example, provide operational service for our birds, we always need to keep receiving balances in the warehouse, in order to receive balances in the warehouse, it is necessary for the company to invest its own working capital, we hereby we are engaged in, but this is a rather difficult issue for young companies that have just started their own activities, which have a deficit of their own working capital that needs to be invested. precisely in the components, which

will work for the service. mr. krylo, now the deviro company has become a czech-ukrainian company, not a ukrainian one, of course, the question arises whether this makes it easier for the company to receive foreign components there, or whether it simplifies the supply processes, what are the positives from this step taken by the management of your company? look, i want to point out the following, that is, the czech company and the ukrainian company, these are two separate legal entities, two separate legal entities, that is, they are connected to each other today only by the cooperation agreement , therefore it is not entirely correct to say that deviro is completely located in the czech republic, but could you please repeat the question regarding the czech company itself, i.e. are there any advantages for the czech subsidiary.

obtaining foreign-made components there , there are certain preferences that allow , relatively speaking, to speed up the production of complexes in comparison with its ukrainian partner there, well, look, the ukrainian enterprise, first of all , faces export control, this the first, and the second - with the fact that quite a few well-known european manufacturers refuse to supply their products to ukrainian enterprises. therefore, we are solving this issue precisely through our cheriv partner, so yes , it simplified the issue of obtaining, for example, some components, and whether it was possible to deploy the capacities in the territory of the czech republic in order to manufacture the lek lr complex in the volumes that it is. well, they will potentially be needed by the armed forces, look, we are now in the czech republic at the stage of the final certification of our production and we plan to start the production of lele storks in the czech

republic starting from march of the 24th year, the planned capacity of our production will be from the beginning 150 birds per month, that is, it is 50 full-fledged complex. we already have the experience of scaling production in ukraine , therefore, we plan to transfer this experience to the czech enterprise as well, so i believe that at the end of the 24th year, the czech enterprise will be able to meet the needs of the ukrainian market as well. and when you talk about certification, as i understand it, at each each european country has its own characteristics: poland, the czech republic, slovakia, they all provide the certification process in different ways, how long did it take for this process for your czech partner? about six months in total, that is, this process involves the certification of both personnel and management, capacities, opportunities, that is, such a large complex of problems, which and and questions that actually come out of all the standards of one or

another country, of course, well, first of all, it preparation of documents, preparation of documents regarding production itself, production safety, organization of technological processes, so it all takes time, but six months is more than enough. mr. kyrylo, thank you very much for these explanations, i hope that you and your czech partner and your base ukrainian company will still have many orders for next year, which will allow you to develop new directions, the armed forces to receive effective complexes, i would like to remind our viewers that on the air was krylo zabolotny, the operational director of the production innovation company deviro, which, as we now see, has developed a new model for the needs of our armed forces. and further, we will talk about what other samples our private companies create, what problems they face, how they solve them, but about this after the advertising and information block. ordinary things

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it is everyone's right to be safe. we continue our military program and talk about our private defense industry, which creates weapons and equipment for the needs of the armed forces. the private share of our enterprises is more flexible than the share of state-owned companies, if we consider... even those samples that appear for the use of our military, but what should be done so that our private companies could really realize their capacities to the maximum, and now we are joined by maksym polivyanyi, the executive director of the public organization national association of the defense industry of ukraine. mr. maxim, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you. good afternoon, i would like you to remind us of ours. to the audience, how many privately owned enterprises are currently members of

the national association of the defense industry of ukraine. well, to date, 48 enterprises are part of the association of our association. and this is just a part of it of them are enterprises that directly fulfill the state defense order in various sectors of the needs of armaments, which are part of the association, in one way or another involved in the execution of the state defense order, either having direct contracts of relationship with various state customers, or acting as subcontractors on the current contracts, and then i would like to ask, first of all, about the direction that we have been discussing for at least six months, it concerns the fact that the state audit service made conclusions on the contracts on the 22nd

year, made its conclusion, on the basis of which, state and private defense enterprises must return earned profits to the budget, and literally , it seems, on november 2, your association with representatives of individual defense enterprises held such an internal meeting with the new leadership of the ministry of defense of ukraine and where, as it were, ... then it was promised to take some measures to get out of this impasse, which actually creates such systemic problems in the perception of relations between the state and the enterprises themselves. i would like to hear if after this one at the meeting on november 2, there was some positive dynamics, which allows us to say that the situation is really moving forward somehow and that these objections to defense enterprises regarding profit, in principle, will somehow be correctly resolved, that is, at what stage is this story now? yes, such a meeting took place, i also took part in this

meeting, first of all i want to thank the ministry of defense, because it is the ministry of defense that takes the most active position among all the executive authorities for the settlement of this problem, are held meetings, meetings are held with associations, employers' federations, directly with manufacturers, suppliers to agree : all problematic issues to take into account the positions of various enterprises and suppliers, this also applies to suppliers of weapons and suppliers that provide rear support, body armor, uniforms and food suppliers, after at this meeting , a draft of the government's resolution was worked out, which should settle... uh, this problem, this project was agreed with the employers' federation and with

our association and with the main manufacturers and suppliers, and currently the process of harmonizing the government's resolution among the ministries, the ministry of finance, the ministry of economy is already underway, and it should be submitted for a decision, well, to a meeting of the cabinet of ministers to make a decision. and we hope that this will finally put an end to this long, sad and rather unpleasant story, and then, about the plume. of this story, because on the basis of these conclusions, the dasu, representatives of naboo, began to bring such, well, cases against individuals, directors of enterprises, does this mean that in the event of the annulment of the conclusions of the das, all these objections regarding certain enterprises, they

will also actually be stopped and there will simply be no continuation of nabu’s actions , we hope... that this is so, because the draft resolution , which is being prepared, was discussed with representatives of the civil service, so that they would have a reason to cancel their decision, and accordingly, those criminal cases that were initiated, not only against the heads of enterprises, but also against officials of the ministry, were finally stopped, these criminal cases, which were initiated on the basis of the state and civil services, they deal a very powerful blow precisely to enterprises, precisely to production, and precisely to the suppliers of weapons and military equipment to date, because on the basis of this conclusion, our control

bodies , this and the state bureau of investigation and naboo, can open a criminal case against... anyone from the management of any defense industry enterprise that executed state defense orders in 2022, that is, these criminal cases are all, absolutely all heads of all enterprises of the defense industry, that is why i asked that this is a risk, in fact, it is still in the air and we are all talking, unfortunately, this risk is not for today, it has not yet been removed and it exists and criminal the case... can be opened against anyone, and i will interrupt a little bit more, another such demonstrative moment that, according to our information, when, on the basis of such conclusions, the state audit service also comes to inspect the enterprise, to cross-checks, for some reason,

among the documents that they seize at enterprises or want to seize, in addition to financial documentation, master documentation and design documentation for products that are secret, for products that are new developments and very sensitive developments are present, this is an issue that exists today and well, it also needs to be resolved, and with what, because it is not known, it is not known where and in which hands this design documentation may later fall, and what are the motives for removing the design documentation, what do they say when they come and take the documents, without any... mr. maksym, we mentioned that the association includes about 40 enterprises and that they participate in one way or another in the execution of the state defense order, but is it possible to make preliminary evaluation results there for this year, or these enterprises for defense products were supplied, will be supplied this

year, on par with last year, more or less, what general estimates can be so predicted now? i can not give exact estimates, because such a count, such a count it has not been done yet, it is not available today, it will probably appear somewhere closer to the end of the year, but in estimation, in estimation, i can say that yes, the volumes have been increased, and this is normal, and it should be so, because the country is in a state of war and domestic manufacturers must mobilize and increase their capacities as much as possible today in order to provide for the armed forces. i have available information about the enterprises that we have, so the volumes have increased and quite significantly. and can it be pointed out now? examples of the most striking examples of equipment or weapons that were

developed or started to be produced this year at the enterprises that are part of your association? you understand, as regards the development of samples of military equipment, it is a very difficult and long process, because military equipment, a sample of military equipment cannot be created in a month, it is even impossible to create it in six months, military equipment, both there and under the soviet union and in western countries, in countries of our partners, has been created for years, this is the period at the beginning development, from the design documentation and the creation of a prototype, conducting tests, then finishing the prototype, testing again and so on, it is quite long. and a difficult path, before the equipment, as a sample of military equipment , will be put into service and will begin to be delivered to the armed forces of ukraine, therefore these developments, most of those

developments that were delivered to the troops this year, their beginnings were still laid there 2-3-4 years ago, our colleague, the head of the company, spoke before me deviro, he talked about the samples that were delivered to the armed forces of ukraine over the past year, and there are such examples, such examples, but the development of these samples was, was carried out, started two or three years before this, that is, in fact, the main challenge of last year and this year, it was to ensure, if possible, the relocation of enterprises to create facilities in other , safer places, to update the personnel there again and to ensure precisely the mass production of those samples that were already

adopted into service, and partly new systems that are needed by the armed forces, and this was precisely the main challenge for all defense enterprises. this is one of the main issues, the issue of relocation, the issue that the issue of rocket attacks on enterprises, and there are many such cases, er, this issue is also the establishment of the production cycle, because the winter that came has passed, we all know , everyone sat without light at home and without heat, but production enterprises were also without electric power supply, and this naturally affected the production process, which led to the disruption of production and to the disruption of supplies and to the disruption of contracts, and when we talk about the termination of contracts, did the ministry of defense accept it as force majeure related things, in particular, there with the strikes of cruise missiles on our defense

facilities, or how this, let's say, force majeure, well, was arranged in relations with the ministry of defense for the fulfillment of those contracts that were signed earlier, well, the company usually applied in such cases, applied to the chamber of commerce and industry for obtaining certificates about the occurrence of force majeure circumstances, such certificates were provided, but the ministry of defense does not always accept them, and as a rule, sends such contracts, such cases to the court so that the court itself makes the final decision on the imposition of fines, but when the enterprise goes to court, it cannot , relatively speaking, enter into new contracts, because cases under old contracts have not been resolved, there is such a deadlock situation, no, yes. there is no such situation, new contracts are concluded as well, and when we talk about downloading enterprises, we understand that they need to increase capacity, but

the increase in capacity is primarily based on the contracts that should be concluded there , i think, for the next year, and maybe even three-year contracts, what is the situation in general with regard to privately owned enterprises, is there do they have an understanding of what they're going to do next year and is there an example... that any of them have not one-year, three-year future contracts? we provide for the conclusion of three-year contracts, the possibility of concluding three-year contracts is provided for by law, but, unfortunately, to date, i have not heard of such precedents that such long three-year contracts were entered into with manufacturers, supplies were pledged and advances were paid, for several years ahead, to date, and in a state of war

everything is done like this, for a maximum of a year, no more, i will tell you one example, in relation to one of the companies that manufacture mortar systems, 120-caliber and 82-caliber mortars, her company has contracts, it had a contract to supply for the ministry of defense, for mortar... systems of other government customers, the contract with the ministry of defense has ended, the products have been manufactured and delivered in full, there is a question of concluding a contract for the 24th year, a commercial offer of the ministry of defense is provided, and the ministry says, and we have no need for mortars, it's strange, there is no need for mortars, the ministry of defense answers, we don't need them, we turn to the general staff, the general staff says: we don't have any at the moment, but we will increase them, and when we will increase it by what number we do not know, and at the same time

, they are coming to the enterprise in parallel, here they are literally... yesterday there was a meeting with representatives of the territorial defense battalion, which is now preparing on rotation to go to the front line, they arrived and they ask, give us at least two mortars, because we don't have anything to shoot at, i say i can't, because the ministry of defense says that there is no need for them, well then i have the next question, you know the one i had before you, it was that the ministry of defense had changed the leadership, the new deputy ministers have arrived, they are talking about fast procedures, about improving the procurement procedure, and i wanted to ask you, that is, whether there are, whether you feel any positive changes in the relations of defense changes, according to the procurements, and now i see that this is a question for hangs in the air, because such examples indicate that after all, either the bureaucracy or some things are unclear for the current affairs, the state of affairs, well, it is even difficult to explain,

the ministry of defense is not responsible for everything, the ministry of defense directly carries out procurement, but what to buy, in what quantity, these requests, this need is formed by the general staff. therefore, there cannot be any questions to the ministry of defense here, especially since the defense procurement agency has started working, contracts are concluded, the procurement system is working, and as before it was through the department of military-technical cooperation. well, but as regards the formation of the need and the formation of some kind of vision, not just for a year, but at least for two or three years ahead, regarding the implementation of purchases and the establishment of production, well, for today, i can't say about it, because there is no such thing, well, then i have an extreme question, which i would like you to say, what is most needed now then by our private enterprises from the point of view,

so that there is a certain certainty there to look into the future, in addition to forecasting with orders, what else is needed in order for our well-known private defense industry to feel that it can really work to the maximum in these conditions? unfortunately, today, the defense industry works in the mode of today, because no one knows what will happen tomorrow, it 's criminal cases, it's conclusions to the court, it's a change in the regulatory framework, a change in the law. laws, the lack of any vision for development for the next two or three years, today all the directors of enterprises, the management of industrial enterprises, they live today, today, analyzing the problems that exist at enterprises, missile attacks, blackouts, shortage of components, relations with the ministry, with the general staff, conducting tests of new products, testing grounds and so on and so on

further and so on. i can cite many examples when the director, deputy director, chief designer of the enterprise cannot be caught in kyiv, in kyiv, because they spend all their time at the front in the front-line regions, on training grounds, constantly working there with their equipment. mr. maksym, thank you very much for the inclusion, for such harsh but clear explanations of what is happening to our private industry, we hope that these conclusions will be heard... and our mozhan residents, i will remind our viewers that maksym was in phil cresso polyvyaniy, this is the executive director of the national association of the defense industry of ukraine, this is a public organization that unites private enterprises of the defense industry, so in summary, we can say that we really have the potential to create new models, but there are also certain bureaucratic difficulties, which need to be solved in order for this machine to work

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