[000:00:00;00] there is no imagination what a painful history of the ukrainian people was, and therefore we should convey to the population of the united states of america the truth about our past, about the tragedy of the holodomor, but also about the present tragedy , in english, in ukrainian as well, but in english especially 30s, and the genocide continues today. professors and historians of american universities also spoke about the importance of teaching americans about ukrainian history. victoria malko teaches american and educational history at university of california at fresno. she offers her students to look at the topic of the ukrainian holodomor in the context of world genocides. in the whole university, they, sons, daughters, farmers, and them, they are simply very shocked, how can it be that the state is

starving people and not even... there is no humanitarian aid, it is very difficult for them to understand how so , how can it be that neither at school nor at the university, we were never given even a hint and never mentioned about this tragedy, before commemorating the memory of the victims the consuls of estonia, latvia and the republic of togo joined the famine, all events were organized by the southern california famine committee, khrystyna shevchenko from los angeles for voice of america and that's the end of it, thank you for watching voice of america in ukrainian, see you tomorrow, good luck, take

care, pope!. we are looking for 12-year-old maksym katunin from the city of kherson. the guy disappeared last november and no one knows where he is now. i really hope that thanks to your care, maxim will be found. look at the photo and remember this face. if suddenly someone has seen the boy or knows something about his possible whereabouts, do not delay and dial the short number of the magnolia child tracing service from any mobile operator. 16:30 calls are free, if suddenly there is no way to call, write to the chatbot of the children's search service in telegram. and i would like to ask for a few minutes of your attention, i want to remind you that we are continuing the search for five-year-old yaroslav maigur, who disappeared in september of last year in the territory of the then-occupied kharkiv region. i know that at the beginning of this year i will be a grandfather

yaroslav managed to find out that the boy is alive, the man even sent us a video of communication with his grandson, hello, handsome, hello, he recognized me, he recognized me yasik, how are you doing, good, normal, boring, the boy seems to have been taken to russia, and from there he only once did i get in touch with my grandfather, who lives in the kharkiv region and is now doing everything possible to find and return him. child, the husband last met his grandson even before the war, because the boy lived with his parents in kharkiv. in the first days of the full-scale invasion, the situation there was quite good restless, and the family immediately decided to evacuate. we left, got into the occupation, there was no communication, there was no possibility to leave. the kupinsky district of kharkiv oblast was occupied almost from the beginning of the war, so mr. serhiy could not

contact his family for about seven months, but he believed that there was absolutely no way , and then he learned that kuplen had been liberated, and kuplenskuv seemed to remain under occupation, they blew up the bridge there and the dsu could not move to the catch. let me remind you that the liberation of kharkiv oblast took place in september of last year, by the soldiers of the armed forces of ukraine quickly entered kupyansk, but the kupyansk junction remained under occupation for some time, and it was there that mr. serhiy's family was staying. it is known that the situation in the village. was very tense, and at some point there they organized an evacuation convoy for civilians, the maigur family took the opportunity and tried to leave, but on the road between the kupyansk junction and the village of kurylivka , civilians' cars were fired upon, as if my daughter had gone to the colony, i hoped that it's not them, that they were in this colony, the daughter of mr.

serhii with her husband behind the scenes five-year-old yaroslav survived, survived and baptized a boy who was also traveling in this convoy, it was he who saved the child and allegedly managed to get to luhansk together with yaroslav, there the man once lived with his godson, apparently spent some time in the hospital, and then it is unknown, how he left for russia in the belohorod region. allegedly , they went to the hospital in lugans, my grandson's godfather and mother, son-in-law. and supposedly yaroslav, my grandson, is there with them in the belorod region, now they have been transferred from luvansk, i don’t know how it happened at all, communicate, they don't want to talk to anyone, they don't get in touch, i don't know what's going on there at all, but to this day i can't... do anything to bring my grandson back, as far as i know, they recently lived in the dolgorsk region, or really mr. serhiy’s grandson is currently in russia, and it is not known for certain whether he is really in the belohorod region , so if suddenly someone has information

about yaroslav maigur and his possible whereabouts, do not delay and immediately call us at the magnolia children’s search service at the short number 1163, with of any ukrainian mobile operator, calls are free. i am asking everyone who knows anything about my grandson, where he is, what he is doing, how he feels, please let me know, this is very important to me, i have the last child of my own, i don’t know who to rely on, we created a resource through which you can report any crime against a child , anywhere, anytime, just go to the site and report, we will launch all possible mechanisms to punish the criminal.

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the best in the next 10 years. greetings, good evening, my name is myroslav barchuk and this is the program. proper names: a joint project of ukrainian foam and telekanaluso. we will try today, we will try to talk about the future, it is very difficult for all of us to talk about the future now, because even this light at the end of the tunnel is incomprehensible to all of us, and we do not understand what will happen tomorrow, not that in some distant perspective, therefore , it is not easy for us to talk about the future, about the aftermath of the victory, but we will try today, today we have a guest, oksana forostyna, author, translator , our colleague, journalist, congratulations, oksana, thank you for coming today to talk about such a delicate, difficult, dangerous topic, the article that

oksana prostyna printed, it is such a long article in two parts, consists of published by critics, it is called after the war, and oksana writes that after we survive, survive the war, we will need to survive the peace, and regarding this peace and what will happen after the war, here i was on my way to talk with you , opened and saw such a post of our colleague, our colleague writes: we all need to get used to the idea that war is now our new normal, for how long, that there is no point in tormenting ourselves with thoughts in style, and what will happen after, so i, let's start talking about it, and from the answer to the question, if it's not that the elections in front of... the mountains are unclear, in general the elections even

at the borders are unclear, should we now discuss the future after the war and what sense do you attach to this discussion? well, i think that it is worth, in particular, it is worth talking about it externally, that is, i mean externally ukraine, because if we accept this situation, it actually means that we accept, for example, those borders, which are, which are currently in place, that is, that we are not, that we are ready to adapt, and not to fight further, that is, it seems to me that this wording, that it is for a long time, it, it is very dangerous, because many people outside ukraine, in different countries, i think, would like to somehow, you know, freeze it, after all, we have already been in such a situation, when we seem to have had a war. and

it's as if she wasn't there, and we're still even on the same level we are not very good at language, and, that is, we are at the level of some everyday life, we say before the war , meaning before the invasion on february 24, but again, we are trying to correct ourselves, that the war in our country is from 2014, so this this is the first moment, the second moment, i understand what is behind... behind this thesis that we need to adapt, why are many people so willing to talk about the fact that this war will be eternal, uh, why? i remember 10 years ago, about 10 years ago, when the maidan was already there, it was december, that is, already in this got fired up, uh, we stood at night with a keg like many... and there was a woman from

zaporozhye, if i'm not mistaken, who said a very wise thing during those conversations, she said the maidan was dragging, and i repeatedly after that i caught myself thinking that this extreme situation is obviously not as we know it now, not as extreme as where we are now, it drags on, a person adapts and then ... to get out of this state, that is, as if, as if natural a person's desire to get rid of this danger, but in fact this is this condition dangers, it also drags on, it is very, very difficult to admit it to yourself, it is very difficult, then to get into a state of so-called normality, and it seems to me that this is also such an adaptive mechanism when people

tell themselves that it will always be like this. well, because, because it’s easier that way, probably easier for someone, to believe that it will all end very quickly, and for someone it’s easier, to tell yourself that it will always be like this, and here we actually see them, yes, some such separation of positions, separation, different experience, different sense of war, yes, the same people, the same people live in kyiv, and now we are not being bombarded with rockets for a year and a half, yes, other people live in kharkiv , some people left for the west, others did not leave, some people go, mobilize, others do not... mobilize, and we can already see the difference in these experiences , to what extent, well, i see it on the networks, yes, how nervously people react to such things, to which it seemed, well, for example, i personally think that, for example, this conflict with irina farion, and what was it, it was not worth such society's reaction

is so harsh, yes, here is this statement, it how insignificant it is, yes, in relation to, in relation to the insult, yes, the military, that i think that it is not necessary to pay so much attention to it, but in but society has become very neurotic, and here are these cracks that we already see, yes, that trauma, which is already there, how do you see the future, how , how can it be, what can it develop into, and is it possible to somehow, somehow, any negative consequences of this be avoided, well, it was ultimately foreseen, because it is impossible all the time live. on adrenaline, that is, some, some time, this gave ukrainian society, on the contrary, this reserve, strength, and it was possible to hold on, but it cannot always be like that, and this is actually another point that i think we should communicate to the outside, that is, that this is what we are

so stable, it is of course wonderful , and the fact that we are praised so much for this is also wonderful, but we should not accustom... the big world to the fact that we are so iron, and, well, because actually no, because this stability, it is not, limitless, and it is obvious that there will be divisions, and perhaps even they will not be where they are now, maybe they'll be somewhere else, and we can't predict that right now , my guess is that it's better to have more, but smaller ones, than to have some big ones, it seems to me that it's not... a safer situation when there's one or or two, which are big, deep and permanent, and so in us they come out as if they are so fluid , and, that is, today, as you mentioned, this scandal with forion, today it is one fault line, tomorrow some other will appear, and it also seems to me to be an element of stability, the main thing is that

they are what we are what we can do, it is not to deepen them, it is not to sink into these traumas. not just to not go into this pain of yours so deeply and for a long time, the telethon, the picture that the telethon creates , it is unlikely that you watch the telethon, but obviously you see certain consequences, yes, of this telethon, and it is a little bit like a prepared picture reality, and do you see a threat in this, such a certain replacement of reality, it is not... radical, but still, still, a certain side of a certain make-up, yes, there is, do you see here, regarding, regarding public expectations, yes, for example, some threats, or what it can , what it can lead to, well, i think one of

those negative consequences, which i wouldn't call tragic, rather unpleasant, is that we turned out to be not... ready for the fact that, for example, some people want to go abroad with truths and lies, and i have for you, for example, men of mobilization age, well, it turns out that not all heroes, and, it turns out, that no, not everyone is loyal to the ukrainian state, as it seemed, which was official, this was our narrative a year ago, yes, we are all a single society, well, chergivisk. look, well, if in our country, relatively speaking, on february 23, obviously , in the year 22, it is obvious that not all citizens of ukraine were deeply loyal to the ukrainian state, yes, well, it is an illusion that on february 24, all of a sudden, everyone has changed to the core, it is obvious that there was this moment of shock again, but the shock

passes, you cannot always count on the fact that society is in a state of shock, you are very much in your text there, you have a wonderful metaphor for pixel, that i am one, one pixel, or you can you tell me right away, i really want it to sound like this, and this is also a maidan metaphor, of course, that no one could have predicted this at the time, and this is actually another, different meaning of the word pixel, when uh, all the time there were these online broadcasts, at some point, people realized how important it was that there was this picture, the one that went, the one that went to the whole world, how beautiful it is, how impressive it is, and therefore they went not even for to do something actively, but simply to be there, to be there again and again after all, it is my... essence to support others, but it was called, i will go, work with a pixel , i will go, stand on the square, i will go, be

a part of this beautiful picture, and now we, when we say pixel, we use, we have we mean something completely different, we mean a military uniform, that is, for us, the people who are in pixel are, they are military, and it seemed to me what i wrote about in the text, that... obviously, that is very correct, what exactly the people in pixel now have the utmost respect from society, it is obvious that they must have later the greatest social support that we will ever be capable of, is, well , as they say, it is not even discussed, it is not a matter of discussion, but we also cannot resist if we do not have these people who simply are coming and doing their work, there were people on the maidan who were also the front line there, especially after january 19,

there were also people who threw molotov cocktails, and there were also people who fought with berkut, well, there were heroes there, but their would very quickly all, well , berkuto had a numerical advantage, they would very much everyone would be quickly crushed, beaten, as it happened. in russia, as it happened repeatedly in belarus, if there were not these people who simply came to stand, who simply did not allow, did not allow, to destroy these, these heroes, because no matter how terrible berkut was, he was nothing can do if you have 100,000 on the maidan, the same way now, without those people who just go to work, energy workers, zhekivka. people who do their daily, boring, very often

despised, work, the country does not stand, the country can’t stand without those who don’t wear a pixel, who just go to work, about, about expectations, i’ll come back about expectations, i recently read a study by the non-governmental organization opor, about what is for ukrainians about victory, about expectations, about victory is a red line and 70% of ukrainians, something around 70, and for them victory means the return of territories and to the borders of 91, yes, and this also worries me a little, considering how hard the collision with reality can be , yes, when we are the same let's come up with some version of our victory, so i... can be a compromise, let's say, yes, but won't it happen that if our victory is expected, as if it will meet

the expectations, by society, yes, for example, if it is really return to the territory of 91 and so on, everything will be fine , we will experience a national triumph, and if it does not happen, yes, it will be a nation of colossal trauma, colossal, colossal national humiliation and national... catastrophe, yes, and it will be a nation that will to feel resentment and anti-westernism, resentment against the west, that the west did not help us, do you, do you see such a threat? well, i see, of course, i mean, i had to answer the same question many times abroad, why are the borders of 1991 so important to you, or maybe there is some kind of compromise, it seems to me that this is very unfair. with regard to ukrainians, to put them in front of such a moral dilemma, let's hand in a certain number of our fellow citizens

, let's be honest, let's call our things by their names, and you will hand them in, you will condemn them to life, well, in constant, constant risk of being in a filtration camp, in the basement or something, but instead the rest of them, the rest of the territory will live there in relative safety, that is, this is a moral dilemma that i consider it's unfair to blame us, that is, it seems to me that this is very, very wrong, and , besides, this approach itself is so, so compromising, it undermines, it undermines international law, and if it undermines international right, then this means that he undermined... and the legitimacy of the event in the eyes of those ukrainians, right? and that is why it seems to me that

it is very important for ukrainians. to feel not betrayed, apart from everything else, what is called the international, international system, it is very important that we do not have this feeling, which is conventionally called yalto, and what the countries of central and eastern europe felt after yalto, that they simply surrendered, but the reality may be such that we will really be faced with this dilemma, yes , let's say, let's theoretically say that they can tell us that the entry into nato, of the whole of ukraine, under the control of kyiv part, extends, article five, yes, of the washington treaty, that is, the protection in the occupied territory does not extend, so this dilemma can theoretically arise, so do you see, do you see the threats that

what i was talking about will actually happen, so the feeling betrayal, a feeling of betrayal, and this even... even if there is an introduction , yes, if there is, if there is, we will be accepted, but if , moreover, they will not accept us, but will give again some ephemeral, some security guarantees, i all the time i think that how hard it will be for us inside here to avoid it, a sense of resentment towards the west, yes, in part, in part perfectly fair, but in part unfair, likewise, yes, because you are very. you write correctly in the text that you should not forget that for decades we also called russia a strategic partner and no one prevented us from aspiring to join nato in the 90s, so you can get rid of this terrible rhetoric, regarding the aggressive bloc in quotation marks of nato and so further, that is, we also made mistakes, but my question, my question, what is the prospect then, if, if actually

this, insult, insult... will be, will we be able to, or are we going to be able to get out of this somehow, or are we actually going to be this isolated society of losers, defeated losers, uh, well , if it's about this last proposition that rasmussen, if i'm not mistaken, there, if i understood it correctly, there it goes that ukraine does not give up its territories, but at the moment. possible accession to nato, article five does not apply to the occupied territory, yes , if i understood everything correctly, but ukraine can continue to win them back and does not give up its goals, that is, it is one history, since they talked about it there a year and a half ago, the other thing is that somewhere there is a frozen conflict, somewhere we draw a line, and

as if, somewhere, you know, it is called sweeping the garbage under the keel, it seems to me that these are two very different history, i am afraid that there will be an insult to the west in any case, i have already understood that there are people, groups who are starting to promote this topic, it seems very dangerous to me, the question is to what extent can happen, that is, will we really become like valery pekav. pekarskanation of offended winners, or will it still be some marginal currents? it seems to me that now it is all the same, well, for now it is a marginal such movement, eh, and here , unfortunately, eh, mostly the ball is on the west side, that is , if eh it will be eh, there will be intense, maybe not very fast, but the main thing is intensive steps