[000:00:00;00] stalin, who is leading the people of russia there, whether the people of russia or muscovy, i don't know, they, they made a huge mistake, and now of course they want, if only to gain a foothold in the war, they made their choice, this is the leadership of russia, this regime, they benefit from the war, and this is a problem for us, because now, there were two ways of development of events, if the russians did not support them. they would look for a way to reduce the situation, russians in their majority supported the war. and partly, some of them left such internal isolation, fears, the regime's revenge on the regime, some left, but the majority of russians supported it, just as the germans supported the fascists in germany at one time , so the majority of russians supported this criminal regime. the russians have the same

common answer. especially those who participate in the abduction of children, who participate in specific issues of public administration , and this must be understood, of course, putin has now concentrated power on the basis of war, that is, now he is a hostage, well a hostage, that is, now, war is his natural environment to preserve power, therefore there will be no war, there will be de-occupation ukrainian territory, there will be no putin, this is obviously political, but under his leadership the army and what remains from soviet times, huge stockpiles of weapons, nuclear stockpiles, that is, he is a sick person, but psychologically sick not in the sense that is often considered there , well, all psychiatric problems, no, he just has psychology, he is a sick person, he is a person who seems to me

a lot. such complexes, which, unfortunately, in such a high position, are manifested through crimes, this has happened in history, we have not seen much, when personal issues, the problems were superimposed on er, in general, there are general ones, when you are the king there for 20 years, more , you think that everything is yours, and you have the right to rule the fate and people will be sent to the front, but this person, he is life for her.. . the lives of women, men, children, he doesn't care, we've seen it all already, so unfortunately, unfortunately , it's very difficult with this character, it would be very desirable if there were some changes, if there aren't any, we'll have to anyway , to count on the strengthening of the position, on our allies, on the fact that we will endure in this confrontation, i i am convinced that

everything in russia is not as good as it is, even... we can see through some numbers there, which are also given by russia, but paradoxically, i do not believe a single word, but not a single word, i can roughly understand, when he lies, when he doesn't lie, by the way, at one time putin tried not to lie, and really, but now he just has it, it 's already his second, second parallel world, full of lies, in many ways, so it seems to me that they are also seriously lying about their... internal situation, it is clear that they want to extend it to the 24th year elections in the usa, it is clear that they have set everything for next year, and what will happen in the 25th, i think that it is also completely unclear for them, so, well, let's go with what is, and i don't see any reason, no the fact that there are negotiations with him, uh, it's a bit strange to me that this criminal

wants to go somewhere else, well, he wants to... so remotely, but they invite him, so, well, it's a strange world, yes, it's a very strange world, where, at the same time everyone wants to achieve, sometimes mutually exclusive, goals. well, you mentioned that he is invited to virtual meetings, and such a virtual one the meeting will take place on november 22, putin is expected to take part in the g20 virtual summit organized by india, and well, that's also strange. it is so strange that the statement from the minister of foreign affairs of austria, alexander schalenberg, was made, he said that lavrov could be invited to the osce, there will be a ministerial meeting or a meeting of the council of ministers, it is called the organization of united security organizations and cooperation in europe, which will be held in skopje, and in an interview with depression, shallenberg said that it was correct to invite

lavrov to the meeting. in the capital of north macedonia, which will take place on december 1, at the same time, the minister of foreign affairs of austria calls on europe for a pragmatic and sober approach. in foreign policy, and they support the integration of ukraine into the european union, but austria is demonstrating and india is demonstrating that, in principle, there will be nothing terrible if lavrov is there, putin will virtually be in the big twenty, these are already attempts to somehow start a dialogue with this fascist russia, with fascist leaders. russia, well, i will say that it is the opposite, there is still a trend , after all, it seems to me that now, well, if we talk about isolation, certain, then it is the deepest, at first,

of a large-scale war, after all, because the leader the russian has to admit that he is not coming, well, the truth is, he says that he does not want to cause problems for his friends, which means that what this means is that they do not want to see him there. but in fact, well, somewhere there, somewhere, they will be afraid of arrest, because the warrant was issued for arrest after all, that's how south africa was twisted there, twisted and did not find a solution, to india, well, india takes such a position, in principle , like china to meet, but it seems to me that even this virtual story with this summit, they came up with some additional as compensation, because it is a very strange story. with this uh, tomorrow's virtual meeting, it's no, well, summit, okay, well, you know, well, what is a summit, a summit, i understand when swidzingpin participates, that's right, there was a meeting,

a summit, american, chinese, here sydzenpen is not participating, by the way , i am not sure that joseph biden will take part there participation, i'm not sure, that is, we'll see, that's why it will be such a compensation for putin, to say something. in russia, this is presented as an opportunity to talk with western countries, that is, he will once again tell that russia wants peace, at the same time , he will give the order to kill children and women to ukraine, insidiously, well, this is a criminal creature, and then he will tell that he wants peace and only for some reason, ukraine will not agree to give 20% of its territory there, why give them territory there, well, life must be preserved, that is, this is rhetoric. which we have already heard many times so i think it's a virtual story with twenty, and virtual and it will end, and india actually looks here, well, not very beautiful, because you know, to hold a summit,

a high level in new delhi, to do everything to prepare, and here is some online story for whom, for dictators who can't accept them, yes, well, it's actually, if there was a gathering, you know, a group here and there, well, i don't know, there were children in the class gathering there, but two children have to be constantly additionally somehow kept on distance, because they are hooligans who will hit someone and that will be the end of it, for me it seems that in general it was made under putin by this, this parody of the summit, because i do not remember this, these additional elements, especially since it is said that implementation will be considered there, well, that is , first, the big... leaders accepted decision, and now, come on, putin, sit down, you will implement something there, well, it certainly looks strange, but lavrov, this story is complicated, on the one hand, lavrov completely covered himself,

completely covered up the crimes, he himself, i will remind you once again from a high platform, declared on the correctness of strikes on the maternity ward in mariupol, these are his personal words, he said it correctly, the bombs were sent there, he is a war criminal, his place is of course, he is a follower of rebentrop, he chose his path and he is no longer a diplomat, he is not a diplomat, he is a propagandist, the fact that he is met, well, formally there is diplomatic immunity, that is, it is fixed in the vienna convention on the right of diplomatic relations, and in principle, in this context, anyone, even that... those who are under consideration by the international criminal court, the possibility of meeting with them is not denied, i don’t know, it seems to me that this question needs to be reviewed somehow, but it looks so

strange to us, but for some countries that expect to receive money from russia now, there is some oil, weapons, they don’t care who lavrov is, as the chinese said , that our belt is a road or there is one belt one road , they had the taliban, who recently, only we remember, destroyed historical monuments, and now there is the government of afghanistan, and any terrorists can participate, that is the world is divided into two parts, one part says that there must be some kind of relationship valuable questions, are they basic, and the other part says, no, the main principle is power, the main principle is that you rule over a certain territory, and then you represent it while you rule, that's all, this is china's approach, don't interfere in our business, we manage as we want, and you manage in your own way, and we are equal. americans don't fit like that, and

ukraine doesn't fit like that, after all, we don't care if somewhere authoritarian regimes simply kill people and that's how dictators stay in power, that is, they are offended when they are called dictators, but in reality it is, so you want to look, you know, imposing, but in reality the blood is dripping from the hands, and no matter what white collars you wear there. or a shirt, these spots, spots, these red ones, will be on you, so, well, they will identify him again, is it that putin, someone will tell that it is artificial intelligence there by 40%, identified, someone will say, by 60, well this will be the game, this will be, and the point of this meeting will be zero, well, by the way, you mentioned artificial intelligence, it’s the japanese, the local tv company tbs, they conducted an analysis,

or rather, ordered, the results of voice analysis putin's laboratory of the institute of audio accompaniment of japan, they made several recordings, analyzed them and came to the conclusion that the real president of russia was at the parade in moscow on may 9, and his doubles during the inspection of the crimean bridge have a similarity of 52%, and a visit to mariupol a coincidence of 40%. well, these are all the stories about doppelgangers, triplets, there, the real putin, not the real putin, you know, this, this whole story is again being launched by the fsb and russia in order to, in some way, remove the responsibility from putin himself for what happens in russia, because he can always say, there is some ivanovych, or vasilych, that he pressed something on the wrong button or something else, for which this whole topic disperses. that he is alive, he is not alive, doubles,

triples, and something else, in your opinion, what does this give putin, what maneuvers does it give him? well, if you evaluate rationally, then any leader of the country will not want to be discussed whether he is already in the freezer or not, probably putin has no influence on this, i think that these towers of the kremlin are waging a closed struggle and it has escalated to such a degree , that is possible discussion, sorry, well, but let's return to what is happening in russia, because kyrylo budanov, the head of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine , says that 2025 will obviously be a turning point for russia, i quote.

general budanov has hope that the 25th year will be a turning point in terms of internal systemic destructive changes and processes in the russian state, society and economy, but this is not a forecast, but an expectation, mr. valery, you also named the year 2025, well, obviously, we are already talking about about the year of the inauguration of the new president of the united states of the united states of america, because putin's election is in the 24th year, obviously in the 24th year he will be sworn in or remain in office, what is sworn in, and obviously from the 25th year, when either there will be a new president of the united states of america, the old new president , or another old new president, then it will be clear what will happen to russia itself, this is about why the 25th year can be decisive and turning point, well if... honestly, now everyone,

when there is some kind of planning, everyone thinks so, a year ahead, but our horizon is not like that distant, the same program of the international monetary fund, here is for ukraine, here is the option planned there, and until the middle of the summer of next year, now they are considering until the end of the year, that is, it just so happened that everyone lives by such frameworks, forecasts. and the 25th arose in the 22nd, when russia began a large-scale invasion , then various institutions there, until ... or institutions, calculated how much economic resources would be enough for them to wage an intensive war, of such intensity as now, and in principle, with from the very beginning, those whom i

trusted said that the first problems serious problems will arise in russia only sometime in the fall of 24th, that is why i am talking about the 25th , although they, because they, according to dem, well, not dumping, well, after all , they sold energy resources at reduced prices, the same one there china, india, they still extended the possibility of financing the war, but in the 25th, i don't think they will have such an opportunity as that allocated for the next year, if you look at their development, so this does not mean that something will happen there's a cardinal, i think we 're going to see a lot in the 24th, at the end of next year, in the fall of next year, because many moments coincide, well, actually, now , we also, you know, psychologically, i think, if you ask different people like this , look at the research, somehow a new so-and-so,

a new date that forms in our heads, it is the summer of next year there, after summer, as if the hot phase of the war should pass. well, this is a purely psychological moment, so i will tell you, frankly, these are all the frames of the 24th, 25th, 27th, it will move away, just the further we live, people will make these predictions, but they will to be done, well, for a year somewhere forward, well, that is, a year, we roughly understand what will happen next, and what will happen in the 25th, i think that no one in the world understands, that's why everyone is talking about the 25th year now, friends, we conduct a poll during our broadcast, we ask you about yes. should corruption in ukraine be equated with treason, we conduct polls on youtube, as well as on tv, if you are sitting in front of the tv, you can call the numbers and vote in our poll if you think that corruption in ukraine should be

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with ports, with sea ports, and this route from ukraine to the west is important, precisely through poland and slovakia, what are they doing right, what are they... doing wrong, if they are doing something wrong, what can be done so that both slovakia and did poland still act within the framework of current european legislation and agreements? well you know this arose due to certain peculiarities, the introduction of such a more favorable regime for ukrainian carriers in connection with large-scale aggression, but not only, in our country, in principle, decisions on liberalization were taken and the further they will be taken more and more, that is, ukraine is moving to the european union, but it should be a road with two-way traffic, so i believe that the truth is on our side, a decision was made in brussels to continue such a regime for

our carriers on the european union market as it is now, that is, this is a direct violation of the accepted in brussels decisions, these people have to , well, i don't mean those who... the carriers there, namely the politicians, have to decide, do they generally implement all the brussels ones, not only the recommendations, the mandatory things, or not? is this border only with poland, slovakia, or is it a border with the european union, that is, in fact , they went for a very long time, with many concessions , the same poland and slovakia, when they joined the european union, and now they basically want... to play it out in ukraine , well, that's how i see it, unfortunately, at this particular moment, only so, because earlier there was a question with the grain, whether it was possible to philosophize about something there. about how these supplies were formed and where everything was sold, and here, well, it is a purely open, pure question, i.e. ukraine

, which has all the rights according to our bilateral agreements with the european union, is blocked, and the polish government cannot do anything about it , in order to fulfill our obligations, that is, we need to translate this issue into the issue of brussels and warsaw as much as possible, so that those people standing at the border do not think that this is now yes... and there will be such problems in the future, it is ukraine that creates problems, no, the problems are not created by the implementation of directives by its official warsaw of brussels directives, what is the problem, why is it so, well, it is a difficult turbulent political period, here we understand the government is still not appointed after the elections, that is, the coalition is not formed, and it takes some time, and we, but we have to defend our rights through brussels, i... first of all, secondly, uh, well, there is

i think the technical solution for that is not to make a complete blockade, because it really does not look like a struggle for one's economic rights, but some kind of challenge, just blocking the border, it already borders on security issues, that is, this issue should be raised, er, it is possible to raise it up to the level of the advisory committee of the presidents, poland, ukraine and defend its position, it is clear that it is absolutely unnecessary, and this is evidence that our path to the european union will not be easy, because when the interests of specific people, specific organizations, sectors of the economy already arise, well, you know, when everyone is counting euros in their pockets, it is much more difficult than simply talking about mutual interests, but we have to raise this issue from the point of view of our contribution to security, i guess the fact that the front

has moved away and somehow everyone started breathing more rest assured, except for ukraine, this gives everyone the opportunity to go back to the way it was, but nothing has changed, that is, we have to put the issues of economy, energy and security in a complex, in a complex, that is, there can be no separate issues, if indeed there are any. but it creates a complete collapse for them earnings of those polish carriers, but i don't think so, i definitely don't think so, that's why they want a lot, by the way, they want our ukrainians to work on their trucks, on their cars and to give them all the permits, that is, they want in in the conditions of the war, it is also possible to earn more, well, this is quite a sector , i mean this sector, how much does poland help and how much does it provide, here specifically in this issue, so connect the three issues of security, economy,

there is energy or free movement , all in a heap, and to talk first of all with brussels, well and about security, now we will hear from tetiana vysotska, who works in strasbourg, today a meeting of the european parliament was held, which was devoted to the issue of providing ukraine with... 1 million artillery ammunition by march 24th, there a representative reported to the european deputies of the european commission, who were asked to answer the question, what is the reason for the delays in the supply of these ammunitions. tatyana, i congratulate you, and tell me what is happening there now in the european parliament, whether there are already any results, or what you i heard what they are saying about this 1 million ammunition, congratulations sergey, yes, the debate is still ... ongoing, the debate is hot and it started a little late, but the main points

of the european commissioner thiry breton have already managed to speak, and therefore i can directly from the backstage to talk about the situation with the provision of a million ammunitions to ukraine by the european union , as it is at the moment, so the debate began with a direct question from the european deputies to the representative of the european commission, to the european commissioner tyree britton, about: why the european union could not and will not be able to provide ukraine with 1 million ammunitions by march 2024, because as we know, at the beginning of this year, the european union promised to provide ukraine with one million ammunitions by march, but just this month it became known that ukraine has so far received only 300,000, and statements began to be heard from both the ukrainian and the european side that the european union simply will not have time to give another 700,000 ammunitions by march and that it actually does not have them... and today the european commissioner tyree britton actually began to refute this thesis, and this

actually big positive news for us. he stated that during this year, the european union was able to... increase production capacity and production potential, with the fact that by march 2024, the european union will be able to produce 1300-400 ammunition annually, that is, it is even more than he promised to provide to ukraine, but the problem is that, as of now, about 40% of what the european union produces is already contracted for supplies to foreign markets, that is, for export and those ribs... said that he will now turn to every minister of defence, to every leader of all 27 eu states, including key states such as france and germany , to review priorities and prioritize supplies to ukraine, and thus said tyra britton at the time that if eu member states and especially the largest eu members will prioritize ukraine, then

in march 2024 it may well receive... and that is, we are not saying that ukraine will not receive a million ammunitions, we are saying that ukraine can receive a million ammunitions if it will still be there the political will of the eu member states, this is such good news, thank you, tetiana vysotska, with good news from strasbourg, thank you for the inclusion, we continue our program, mr. valery, well, we have news that after all, this 1 million ammunition , who promised us until march 24th, that there is such a hope that everything, everything, everything will be fine, will it somehow affect what will happen, will happen at the front and will the europeans still fulfill their promises, well against the background of what is happening with poland and slovakia, whether or not it will be the case that in some

moment, we will have to pull the europeans every time and say, listen, well, you promised us ammunition there, you are there with the border... we have certain questions, whether it will not continue like this, well, poland is slovakia in the supply of weapons, i would be here i didn't criticize them, slovakia really announced now that the new government will not supply its armed forces, but slovakia has already provided so much, so here i am calm, there i am worried about hungary's position, they are trying to block everything possible in favor of russia, that is, it is about a russian, unfriendly, the anti-ukrainian position of the government, not the people, but the government, there are nuances here, but it seems to me that there will be tools in brussels for them if they do not block, so i think that the forecast for the next six months there is quite favorable, and in the usa , i also think that a solution will be found, it is difficult for me to say what will happen in the spring of next year, but for the next

one, this period there, as you say, until march until the summer, i think it is possible to thank mr. valery, it was valery chaly, a politician , diplomat, former ambassador of ukraine to the united states america. friends, we are working live on tv channel uso, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are watching us live right now, you can see on the screen, on ours, that we are conducting a survey and asking whether corruption in ukraine should be equated with state treason, yes, no, if yes, 0800 211-381, no, 0800 211-382, call, vote. because there will still be a second part of the verdict, after the bbc news release. now we will look at the intermediate results, what our viewers say. in parallel, we are conducting on youtube this is a poll, so 93% yes, i.e. for equating corruption with treason 7% no. in

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