tv [untitled] November 22, 2023 4:30am-5:01am EET
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[000:00:00;00] well, he was upstairs, he just physically couldn't hear it, my brother calls me every 10 minutes, you found the little one, you found the little one, i say no, that's it, he's panicking, i'm already here, well, that's it, and about an hour later, the brother called the man back and said, well, we found him. everything, this is it, you see, yes, this backpack, here it is, well, that is, i say , we returned this backpack and, i thought about keeping it at home, and then i think, but no, i will give it
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to him, slippers, sneakers, in what was he there, my god, he is going, my god, it is snowing, he is wearing sneakers, let's go, i say, where are you going to hide in those sneakers, mom, it's warm there, but it's fine, okay, here. glory to ukraine, by the way, when there was a funeral, we were walking on this very street, i saw it later on a video, that's how you want to go somewhere, yes, well, to walk, but some photos keep
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popping up in your memory and you think . no, i'd rather not, i don't remember why, but i remember that i was leaving the house, and here it was just like that, you know, it was drizzling, well, it was already well overcast, and in the center of no one, no one, in general, i was alone, and we have a large led screen near the fountain, and on the led screen is his photo from the side of the candle, and no one, it's so scary, really. well, it feels like, you know, that life stopped at that moment, well, nothing, god can, god gives a person exactly as much as he can endure, everything will be fine, everything will be fine, you know, i always ask myself one question, why
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do they create different medicine, yes, but, well, they don't create - some kind of pill so that, for example, there is a certain period of time, and then i drink it and that's all, and i just, well, sometimes , it starts, you know, to recover there in head, and it's, well, not because i think about it, but it just pops up by itself, and then you try to silence it, silence it, because i understand that if it starts to climb all the way up, it's hard, it's it's not even that it's hard, it's impossible, well, because it's such a pain, it tears you apart from the inside , which is why you jam, jam, jam, and so there is such a closet, you know, a safe, and it
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puts itself in there, puts . i have more than one closet, this closet belongs to my husband, this closet belongs to my mother, this closet belongs to my father, a quarter of the closet is in one little girl, the other little girl, if this feeling, it goes to the subconscious, that is, i have to call, i call my mother , i hear, and i am talking to her, and from the side there are shots, that is, i really understand that she is now sitting and watching video like that, it's all 5 minutes, let's run and get in there , well, that's how we constantly pull each other up, he 's similar, very similar, yes, you've had to hear
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the opinion that the maidan used to be, it's not the same. once, and, not only that, i had to hear the opinion that it is completely irrelevant, in general, not only that, i was told it was just a coincidence, but these things hurt you so much, as far as you know, they are like a shot, like a shot, like a shot, but when you get shot for the 10th time, you already have some kind of armor, you know, it is produced that flies like this and like that, well, that is me, i can’t say that i become indifferent to these things, no, it hurts until now, when they start doing this to me, well, to say, it hurts me, well, my soul is torn, but i i understand that i, well, i, i am not omnipotent, i
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cannot change everyone. why, i came to the square on the 21st, then when the suspension of european integration was announced, and then it went out until november 30, as usual, the participant came to stand and leave, there was no staying overnight, but starting with the dispersal of students, our legal barricade moved to the euromaidan sos office
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at the pool. and you have never been here, no, never, i thought about it for a moment, i think maybe i used to go out, no, i didn't, and i confess to you that probably, well , it's not like that, i started coming here a long time ago , and when the maidan ended. i specifically bypassed the maidan and i just didn't pass by here, me it just hurt a lot. obviously, it was a turning point, the beating of the students, everyone was very confused and everyone was very depressed, and then my colleagues and i said, let's think about what we as human rights defenders can do, and that's how the idea of making euromaidan sauce came about. we opened a facebook page, made the first post, wrote that if you were hurt during this crackdown, if you can't find your relatives or if you need any other legal help,
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contact us, we will provide it for free, at that time there was none among us lawyer and so literally seconds later we had a second post if you're a lawyer if you're willing to help the victims of the crackdown for free call us and to our surprise it worked and we definitely and i personally in no they could not imagine in their wildest dreams that we would work 24 hours a day, and that hundreds and hundreds of such beaten and injured people would pass through our hands. well, it was very difficult, i spoke with the mother of one of those beaten in the stadium, where
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you remember, under absolutely brutal and cynical they killed under the cameras, but you watch, you understand that they don't beat these berks, they kill people, and the mother went to look for her son, and then she called me. and he says: i saw him, it's not, it's not my son, it's bloody revenge, i'm going to faint now, and i'm so strict that you have no right, come on, i remember that somewhere time, i lost the ability to sleep, it was when the battles on hrushevskyi began, and it was critical for me, because if i don't sleep at least for these three or four hours, well, that's it, i'll just give up and my body couldn't, i even, well, i couldn't sleep, and in order to calm myself down, he told me what to do, i imagined how this situation should be
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resolved, how it should be resolved, well, just miraculously, there was no rational solution at that moment, and the miracle looked like this, white wolves came running, why white wolves, well , because we are for good, they cannot be, whether they are evil or black, and they rushed at berkut, at hrushevskyi , and berkut ran away, i remember very well, such a... there was a very difficult case when a woman called, it was from dnipro, immediately after the break-up of the maidan in dnipro, he was very brutally dispersed there , her husband was beaten, and as i remember, he was in a coma, that is, he had been, either unconscious, for a long time, or in a coma, in hospital, and the woman was pregnant, and she was in despair, and she was crying, and she said that she would end her life by suicide, and here is our psychologist, talked to her for several hours
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in a row, i am an ordinary person, despite the fact that i work with a very difficult cases, and some time ago i decided for myself that if such a situation were to happen and i would be in danger criminal prosecution, then if i can, i will leave, that is, i won’t, well, that is, i don’t want to be a hero, i will simply leave, and when the maidan began, i put my foreign passport in my bag, and i just took it with me wore, realizing that if i had the opportunity, i would just go out, and at some point i realized that i would not go anywhere, the most terrible moment... i will say the day of the shootings, but in fact, it was 18-20
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february, which for me started in one day, and in the very morning we started to break down hot line, people called and said that people were being killed on the maidan, but the most frightening thing happened to me when i received a call from my husband, i immediately apologized. that i am excited about this, i have already talked about it many times, to be honest, but , but the injury, it works like that, you can, you can sort of think about it, well, it’s been a long time, but still it hurts a lot, here i am a man called , and he told me, i even went out of the office to the yard to talk to him, i remember what day it was, how it was snowing, uh,
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i'm like that, there was dirt all around, and he told me that he, that he's on the square, that he loves me, and said goodbye, and that was, that was the scariest moment, because i knew that the shooting continued, because they continued receiving these messages, and it was another difficult moment, because well, i... i 'm an ordinary person, what i wanted to say to my husband, i wanted to say run away from here, but i understood that there are people on the maidan who have there are also women, there are men, there are children, and that it's just not dignified to say so, i don't she said, well, in the end, my case is over , still... plum, everything is fine with my husband, but we
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tried to block and close something on the maidan, motivated by the fact that they had to put up a christmas tree, they tried to cross out the european aspirations of ukrainians with a christmas tree, that is, and that's why the christmas tree became a baby girl, it was fun, various posters, posters were hung on it, they took pictures near it, it was one of the centers of such a mayda. there were steps here, yes, you could climb up. at some level here on the mountain, on this mast, there was a small place where you could stand with two feet, i held on behind there with one hand, somehow i stood behind this pole with my feet and took it off, it was the highest point, it was somewhere here, glory to ukraine, glory
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to the maidan, yolka - this is one of the videos that i shot, which flew around the world, it was shown literally... on all the huge channels of the world, american aljazeera, and i replied massive, today they are, i had a working day, but there was a small break of 15 minutes, and i decided to quickly jump out and take some shots, i came to the square, very quickly somehow climbed all these small things there, i must say that i am afraid of heights, and it was a little bit of a challenge for me, but nevertheless i hit this mountain and when i started filming, this is the sound, these millions of people, millions of voices, and it was actually concentrated in this point, yes, nothing, nothing prevented it from getting here , when people on the square shouted there some slogans, then i felt how the christmas tree trembled from the sound waves, that is, it was
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very powerful, and it deafened, well, really, the signing of the association with europe, yes, this is a victory, and only that. then we will join from here, because we have a revolution, a society, it was very emotional between you and me, i remember even now and it sort of sifts through this feeling. also, quite by chance, we put maidan as a streamer, i understand. that this stream is such a tool that can be used to show a very powerful reality that is happening, yes, and i considered it one of the best tools of journalism in general at that time, and then i stopped a lot of events of the revolution of dignity there, almost all the main and the first storming of the maidan, the mykhailiv barricade,
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and even the shooting of the 18-19 of the 20th, that is, all the riots, these mass fights and the city center, mm, well, a lot, let me remind you that there is a subway in kyiv, but the krechatok stations and the independence square are closed, but anyway, kyivites arrive en masse and go to the rally, well, dretse, yes, i sat on the mountain and watched the square, small, but there was still a fence here, by which you could climb to it, actually on the mountain it was to... it is convenient, yes , there is such a thing, a branch makes such a nest, yes, i settled there and held back, ukraine, my
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very, to the heroes of the heavenly hundred, three, three souls body, mykola. god for our freedom, and we will show that we are a cossack beard, glory to ukraine, three times glory to the heroes of the heavenly hundred, glory , good afternoon, you are from belarus, yes, you came here on purpose, or you just find it here, really, but can i ask you, yes of course, come on, let's put it this way, if you're not interested, you're not
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a reporter, you're an extra who just happens to be some work, the confrontations had already reached a critical point, i knew that something massive would happen, that there would be fights , i was preparing for it, i had protective equipment there, i came in the morning and went with all the hundreds to the verkhovna rada, then fled from the balcony of the sholkovychna institute, and then, when the law enforcement officers and bbshniks already drove people down to the square, yes, when the cleaning of the institute began. i got off this balcony and followed their footsteps, many were injured, they were solid. people, that is, open
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skulls and brains, there are injuries, broken eyes, there, some limbs were torn off, blood, it was such a very scary street, let’s say so, yes, and when i approached the upper exit of smytro hryshchatyk, after storming the barricade, the bodies of people who were already dead were still lying there, that is, yes, it was such a shock, a shock. there was a young girl who came up, looked at the two bodies that were lying there, they were elderly people, a man and a woman, and she said, call an ambulance, that is, she did not understand that they were dead, i have a live broadcast, i also start there
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crying means i have to say something but i have a lump here, yes, i go to the side, then i just came out of it, took her by the shoulder, and everything will be fine, this is such a difficult moment, our bread is stuffy, give us today and ask for our sins. ours, as we forgive our trespassers, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one, amen. on february 20, when the heavenly hundred were shot, the coordinator of the medical service of mykhailo zolotoverkh asked me to go to the third hospital in the evening and film how the bodies of the boys who died were described, they were the boys from the hotel ukraine, late in the evening i already arrived at the morgue of the third hospital here in kyiv and nav... i took a video of how this bugagan arrived, there these heroes were lying in three rows, as
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the investigators later described them, the screams of mothers, the screams of relatives there, i am very good, somehow i felt this on myself, yes, all this pain, and for me there is no such slogan, heroes do not die, yes, they die very quickly, and we must understand this, that we must protect them, yes. and i don't know how their mothers feel, but, it wasn't in vain, that's for sure, there was even a moment that my colleague i did the same thing, so i went to the maidan with her, yes, a journalist, then they bought us some first-class vests, then we began to demand second-class ones, then the war already started, we realized that we needed fourth-class ones,
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during the process period we already needed p of the first class, well, they are, we now have a lot of barnagelets at work, and i can conduct a tour of them, what protects what from what, yes, well, in fact, he is still there, even in a pillion in the swamp of the village of vodyane near mariupol, well he is constantly here on... suddenly, there is a fragment from shyrokyn, yes, kombat, sykoza, when i was there in 2018, we were walking around the former children’s camp, yes, sykoza, so he picked up this fragment, yes, and he says, this is a gift for you, so it is from the russian world, and he since then , it has been pouring into me, well, after all, if you take me to the maidan and after the maidan, then it's definitely two different people, right? at first there were a lot of acquaintances, friends, contacts, common pain, yes, and plus
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i changed professions, i.e. before the maidan i was actually an it activist, and after the maidan i already went into photography, reporting, journalism, you have ptsd, as you think, i think not ptsd, but something close to it, yes, and it is not even from the war, but from the maidan, from those events. on february 18, when i was there, when the first corpses, yes, the first screams, that is, my trauma was very deep from that, this is a fact, that is, i was going there for some
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time for spare parts, i remember it very much, there was such a crowd there, it was scary to watch all this, it was a real duel, the work of a policeman is not an easy job, it is a serious load, both psychological and physical, it is work constantly in conflict, let's say. when the maidan directly began, i was then in the position of an investigator , i went with the flow, i was fine, i was not an activist, i did not engage in any public activities there, i had no desire to support or help people there, i did not i was very interested in domestic politics in principle and what started the maidan, i learned about it only after
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the first time, in fact, i took a position there... in the government border service. on one of the days, they gave an order to get special equipment, well , there are protective equipment, there are helmets, these bulletproof vests, and they said that we should come forward to protect public order, at that time they did not explain where, they said to the city center, then we were simply put there in front of the fact, came to work, special vehicles were already waiting for us, we took them from... sat down in bohdany , such yellow ones used to go to the center of the city. in fact, the first time i came to the square was right after the dispersal of students the next day, when people began to gather on mykhailivska square. well, i, i was shocked, i did not think that there were units that were ready for such a thing, honestly, no there can be a question that these people should,
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well, they can be called some kind of law enforcement officers, that would be a real crime. it was clear from the video that people feel that they are sure that nothing will happen to them for this , the shifts mainly took place in daylight, the next day, it seems, we were given a day off, yes, on this day during the day i went to the maidan, or i went there after work, during the working day, at night, where i felt more like myself, yes, on the maidan with people. it really was inside, it was such a split at first the maidan, i didn’t have such a thing that i was there, well, why should i resign from the police , what did i do bad to whom, on the one hand, then i already started to delve into these events, to be interested in information, again to watch reports there , and it was all oppressive, and it
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was all not easy, on the one hand, well, if events. with which you do not agree, the actions of law enforcement officers, there, let's say so , colleagues, so-called, because i do not consider them colleagues, and on the other hand, the fear that you can just stay outside and there, i don't know, no knowing what would happen next, i guess i understood that it was very serious when it was taken over, i don't remember when it was, when the knda was taken over. on the first or second of december, i was at the kmda by myself, well, that is, i was not in the service, i think i just saw how it was there, how everything was organized there, i was interested, i think i even bought some products there, i just handed them to someone, well, i it was actually to my liking at that time, well, that is, i had
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pride at the time, at the same time i was working, i was an investigator in the police, and one day we were put in the courtyard of the kmd, we went out from time to time guys in balaclavas and they threw stones or bottles in our direction, i don't remember exactly, but they didn't throw them, well, that's what happened, it wasn't an incomprehensible situation, but it was very tense. there were no such serious experiences there at first, well, until the moment when we somehow came to work the very next day from service and were told that the guys with whom we worked there had crossed paths at work, and had received injuries, and some serious,
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