[000:00:00;00] not those who are standing there, the carriers, namely the politicians, should decide, do they in general fulfill the brussels, all, not only recommendations, mandatory things, or not, this border is only with poland, slovakia, or is it a border with the european union, that is, in fact, they went for a very long time, made many concessions, the same poland and slovakia, when they joined the european union, and now they want to compensate for this by playing back in ukraine, well , that’s how i see it, unfortunately, but specifically at this moment only yes, because it used to be there the grain issue, was it possible to philosophize about how this supply was formed and where everything was sold, but here it is a purely open question, i.e. ukraine, which has all the rights according to our bilateral agreements with the european union , is blocked, and the government poland cannot

do anything. in order to fulfill our obligations, that is, we need to translate this issue into the issue of brussels and warsaw as much as possible, so that those people who are standing at the border, so that they do not think that this is the case now and there will be such problems in the future, this ukraine creates problems, no, problems are created by non-implementation of directives by official warsaw, brussels directives, that's what the problem is, why is it so, well, it's a difficult turbulent political period here... we understand, the government still hasn't been appointed after the elections, that is, the coalition not created and it's still going to take some time , and we, but we have to assert our rights through brussels, i think first of all, secondly, uh, well, there are, i think, technical solutions to not do a complete blockade, because it

really does not look like a struggle for one's economic interests rights, but some kind of... challenge is simply blocking the border, it already borders on security issues , that is, this issue should be raised, possibly raised to the level of the advisory committee of the presidents of poland, ukraine, and defend its position, it is clear that it is absolutely unnecessary , well, this is evidence that our path to the european union will not be easy, because when the interests of specific people, specific... organizations, sectors of the economy already arise, well, you know, when everyone is counting euros in their pockets, then it is much more difficult, what just talk about mutual interests, but we should raise this issue from the point of view of our contribution to security, probably the fact that the front moved away and somehow everyone started to breathe more calmly, except for ukraine, this gives everyone

the opportunity to turn back now: as it was , but nothing has changed, i.e. we have in the complex questions of the economy, energy and security, complexes, i.e. there cannot be separate issues, if indeed somewhere, it creates a complete collapse for the earnings of those polish carriers, but i do not think so , but i definitely don't think so, that's why by the way, they want a lot, they want our ukrainians to work, on their trucks , on their cars and to give them all the permits, that is, they want to earn more in the conditions of war, well, that’s enough, the sector, that’s poland, you see how much it helps and how much it provides, and here in this specific issue , therefore, connect the three issues of security, economy, there is energy or free movement all in a heap and talk first of all with brussels,

and about security, now we will hear from tatiana vysotska, who works in strasbourg, today a meeting of the european parliament was held, which was devoted to the issue of providing ukraine with 1 million artillery ammunition by march 24, a representative of the european commission reported to the european deputies there, who was asked to answer the question of the reason for the delay in the supply of these ammunition, tatyana , i congratulate you. and tell me what is happening there now in the european parliament, are there any results already, or what have you heard, what they say about this one million ammunitions, and congratulations sergey, yes, the debate is still ongoing, the debates are hot and they started a little late , but european commissioner thiry breton has already managed to make the main points and therefore i can directly

tell you about the situation with the provision of a million ammunitions to ukraine by the european union, which it is at the moment. so, the debate started with a direct question from the european deputies to the representative of the european commission to the european commissioner tira. about why the european union could not and will not be able to provide ukraine with one million ammunitions by march 2024, because how we we know that at the beginning of this year, the european union promised to provide ukraine with one million rounds of ammunition by march, but just this month it became known that ukraine has so far received only 300,000 of this million, and statements began to be heard from both the ukrainian and european sides that the european union simply won't have time to give another 700,000 ammunitions by march, and in fact it doesn't even have them, and today european commissioner tyree briton actually started to refute this thesis, and this is actually a big positive news for us. he said that during this year, the european the union was able to increase production capacity and

production potential with the fact that by march 2024, the european union will be able to produce 1,300-400 munitions annually, that is, it is even more than it. promised to provide ukraine, but the problem is that as of now, about 40% of what the european union produces is already contracted for supplies to foreign markets, that is, for export, and tyr britton said that he will now contact every defense minister , to every leader of all 27 eu states, including key states such as france and germany, so that they review their priorities and prioritize supplies to ukraine, and so...' then tyra briton said that if the eu member states, and especially the largest eu members, prioritize ukraine, then in march 2024 it may well

to receive what was promised, and that is, we are not saying that ukraine will not receive a million ammunitions, we are saying that ukraine can receive a million ammunitions, if there is still the political will of the eu member states. this is such good news, thank you tetyana vysotska. with good news from strasbourg, thank you for the inclusion, we continue our program , mr. valery, well, we have news that after all, this 1 million ammunition that we were promised by march 24th, that there is such a hope that everything will be fine, will it in any way affect what will happen at the front and will the europeans still fulfill their promises, well, what's more ? what is happening with poland and slovakia, will it happen that at some point we will have to pull the europeans every time and say: listen, well, you promised us ammunition there, you are there with the border in

we have certain questions, whether it will not continue like this? well, poland is slovakia in the supply of weapons, i would not criticize them here, slovakia has really announced now that the new government will not supply its own. weapons, but slovakia has already provided so much, so i am calm here, the position of hungary is disturbing, they are trying to block everything they can, in favor of russia, that is, this is a pro-russian unfriendly anti-ukrainian position of the government, not the people, but the government, there are nuances here , but it seems to me that there will be tools for them in brussels, so that they do not were blocked, so i think that the forecast for us... there is six months, it is quite favorable, and in the usa , too, i think a solution will be found, it is difficult for me to say what will happen in the fall of next year, but for the next, this period there, as you say, until march until summer, i think it is possible to assess the situation positively, thank

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everyone has the right to be safe. greetings friends, the live broadcast of the tv channel continues , and the verdict continues, today we work with you in a two-hour format and talk about ukraine, about the war, about the world, about victory, about what interests you, our dear tv viewers, today in the program. another requirement on the way to the eu is the increase of naboo state. what changes should be expected in the future? how much more will you steal, how bribe-takers and corrupt people get rich during the war, and why 10 years after the revolution of dignity , officials are behaving unworthily. to equate corruption with the state council, why zelenskyy has not yet introduced the announced draft law to the council. today. ukraine celebrates the day of dignity and

freedom, we congratulate all our tv viewers on this day, but on this very day three people's deputies were suspected of corruption, in an attempt to give bribes to officials, we will talk about all this during the next hour, and before starting our conversation, i will remind you that we are asking you, dear... viewers, whether corruption is necessary in ukraine equate to treason, yes, no, please vote on our youtube and facebook platforms, and you can also vote by phone lines, which if you are watching our telecast now, you can call 0800-211-381 and support this idea, i.e. sublimation corruption, corrupt acts up to treason no 08 211-382 all calls

are free for you, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, i want to introduce today's guests, so today we have andriy osatchuk, people's deputy of ukraine, holas faction, mr. andrei, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening sergey, good evening audience. oleg synyutka, people's deputy of ukraine, european solidarity faction. mr. oleg, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. good evening, congratulations viewers of espresso. oleksiy kucherenko, people's deputy of ukraine, faction batkivshchyna. mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening, council. to be with you, since gentlemen, we are asking our viewers whether they think that corruption should be equated with treason, i would like to remind you that this is actually volodymyr zelenskyi's idea, he promised to submit the bill to the verkhovna rada of ukraine, in order to strengthen the fight against corruption, i will ask you in the format of a blitz poll what you

think about this, corruption and to equate corrupt acts with treason, is it possible to introduce... a new crackdown on looting during the war and to strengthen even more some terms for corrupt acts. mr. oleksiy, let's start with you. thank you, i will be frank, of course, to please the audience now, then i probably have to say, yes, treason, the gallows, there, execution on the spot and so on, it is clear that society expects and so on, but it seems to me that and yes, we have enough... strict anti-corruption legislation is theoretical, you just need to understand why it is not working, we are creating new anti-corruption bodies, we are increasing the number of nabu, special courts and so on and the like, somehow it is not going anywhere, although there, the punishment

is strong enough, so i am not against it there was treason, god forbid that it would help, thank you, mr. andriy, what do you think, whether it is necessary to... strengthen responsibility for corrupt acts, or the anti-corruption legislation that was adopted enough to fight corruption, simply issue in execution laws, let me come from trumps to make our show more fun for our viewers , you know, we all have to be very responsible for the tone and the meaning of the messages that we put out into society, and now i sincerely believe, with all my love for espresso , you are pouring water on the populist mire of the president's office, because this whole idea of ​​treason appeared somewhere there two or three months ago, and believe me, it is exclusively a reaction to the inability to build an effective system of state power,

effective institutions, accountability, controllability, the appointment procedure is fine to do, and as a result everything goes back to the populist hype we heard during the 19th election campaign, remember where we will plant the spring, in general the idea that punishment will solve the problem is absurd , i remind everyone for the fifth year that the profile law is called the law on prevention of corruption, between the word fight against corruption and prevention of corruption, in general , there is a pitfall, unfortunately, it is difficult to explain to people, as well as very difficult to explain to people, what is corruption in general, everyone thinks that corruption is a bribe, you improved a little there, when the question ... there were corrupt acts, well, there are dozens and dozens of manifestations of these things, and for that, as he rightly said colleague oleksiy, we have very harsh punishments, dear friends, a civil servant, if you are caught, give the easiest bribe, in especially large amounts, which are actually insignificant, the punishment starts from five years,

it only starts, ten is possible it's easy to get, it's little, it's a lot, that's why we we need to change the logic of communication, we need to fight for an effective state management system, and when we will continue to chase corrupt officials and create hype around it, well, we have been doing this for the 10th year already, and the results are ahead of everyone else. mr. oleg, what do you say about zelenskyi's initiative, because the poll itself came from zelenskyi, why am i asking, because where there is monopolies, there is also monocorruption, i guess it should be said that way, i will honestly tell you that i am a little surprised, the position of my colleagues, because i have great respect for to mr. oleksii and to mr. andrii, but maybe today's searches of people's deputies had such an effect, but i believe that corruption is,

especially during the war, treason, because when they steal money that should go to the army... and not only when money is stolen, when decisions are made that are not in favor of the army, the armed forces, what is this , this is treason, i will honestly tell you that most of those who are involved in corruption today will somehow be seen somewhere moscow roots, and this is obvious, because they, by their corrupt actions, thefts, they grapple with the mill of moscow aggression, i have no doubts about president zelskyi's proposal for a draft law, so in fact we all understand very well, especially colleagues, people's deputies, that it was not about the fight against corruption . and it was about transferring the possibility of investigation , which today belongs to anti-corruption bodies, to controlled

law enforcement structures that are very easily coordinated from the office of the president, and when it came to this draft law, there is no i doubt that, especially during the period of martial law , corruption should be equated with treason, and let the anti-corruption bodies, which have leverage, deal with it. who have the appropriate capabilities and influence, and there is absolutely no need to create a police system from this, which, you know, everyone who disagrees, those who think differently, who have a different civic position, well, just take and control through law enforcement agencies, which will be pocket or is pocket money, that is, in essence, i believe that this decision must be made, and this decision must be made take as soon as possible. but the essence of this decision should not be to give greater opportunities to the controlled law enforcement

body. the essence of this decision should be to eradicate, if you like, put in place and warn all those who today want to steal money, to make decisions not in favor of the ukrainian state and its citizens. well, you mentioned, mr. olezh, about this story with three people's deputies, today, i will remind you that nabu transferred the case of serhiy labazyuk to the anti-corruption prosecutor's office, this is a people's deputy from the group for the future, and he was caught paying a bribe, that is, he asked to receive from the ministry of reconstruction subcontracts for the reconstruction of infrastructural facilities worth 1 billion hryvnias, and as a result received 50... hryvnias per subcontract for the restoration of a destroyed bridge in one of the regions of ukraine through a proxy

interest in the amount of $150,000 was transferred to mustafa nayem. in addition, nabu reported the suspicion of the people's deputy from the servant of the people faction andrii odarchenko, who tried to bribe nayem again, and, well, today is the day of hiring in the verkhovna rada, in nabu, today, you you know, yes this is so surprising, now i think, let's discuss it like this, well, in principle , in principle, in principle, all bribes went to the recovery agency, or then to the ministry of infrastructure, where nayem was the deputy minister, well, today is the day of dignity and freedom, we remember , that the euromaidan just started with mustafa nayem, who wrote a post and said, come for coffee in the evening of november 21, 2013, what kind of stories are these, why did they all explode on the same day, although we are talking about different

periods there, when bribes were offered, when these bribes came in, and all of them, in principle , concern only the ministry of restoration of ukraine, mr. oleksiy , can i try, because i really, i 've been thinking about this situation all day today, it's quite spicy and it's not trivial. mr. sergey, and colleagues, have you paid attention. that this is the first time, probably, yes, we say, i am not a lawyer for these deputies, if they broke the law, definitely, they should be punished, there is no doubt about it, and i have no sympathy there, absolutely for them there, but look, this is the first thing we consider, when a deputy is accused not of what he takes, yes, for something, we saw how one deputy took it there, for helping to cross the border, yes, or there for another, to solve some issue, and here where... they give details, you understand, they transfer money for something and to one address, you

see, well, it’s not a trivial situation, well , this is me, i don’t know abazyuk personally, well, three times the guy was elected by the majority, which means that he did a lot for the district, because it doesn't happen any other way, you understand, three times in a row, this a serious result, that is, what i am leading to, i have a slightly different hypothesis, what the hiring agency is, it is the former... ukraftodor, it was simply renamed a year ago under the agency of restoration and so on, well, the structures of avtodor, what did we all do we know, yes, approximately, yes, a big construction, a big thief, roads were built, but with what kickbacks the legends went about 50%, and now look, one deputy-rector wants him, the building, his university to be renovated, yes, and for it is he who... is trying to thank the other, wants the bridge there to be repaired in his

district and also hands over a package, the third one seems to be the same. then they are definitely guilty, if they really want to solve problems with money in this way, well, i ask a logical question, but don't you get the impression that right there in that agency, well , they somehow created such conditions there that without such a gift maybe the question was not resolved, you understand, i put such a bold question mark, and now the second: in the last months, mr. nayem was without... i have many complaints as well personally, that his agency failed to build a shelter program for energy critical infrastructure facilities, these are obvious things, they are well known to me, i know that the accounting chamber works there and so on, and i have the impression that this is such an operation

, to remove the charges, you see, it turns out that we have, i don't want to, i don't hire a lawyer, he did a lot there... 10 years ago, probably, but the fact that the institution called the recovery agency is no different from other managers of budget funds, in i personally have no doubts, i do not believe in fairy tales and fairy tales, you understand, if there is total corruption in the country, and we understand it, then basically any manager of budget funds, that is, a ministry, an agency, an inspection before... into a tool of this money laundering, this is my hypothesis. thank you, mr. andrii, what do you have to say about this situation, because it so happened that on this day that we are meeting on the air, three people's deputies, all of them carried money, carried, did not take, but carried, well, carried , yes, carried for and thanked, does this mean that well

the state has a certain system. because, if people's deputies decide the issue and carry, as entrepreneurs say, meatballs to one agency, then the question arises, what is actually happening in other ministries that are managers of public funds, well , look, let's try to look a little deeper at it all and a little more seriously and without hyping as much as possible, the fact that the law enforcement and anti-corruption infrastructure are showing effectiveness, well, that is certainly good, no one will argue, we created them, well, more precisely, the previous convocation parliament, and we strengthened it in every possible way, we give them a lot of money, everything is supposed to be fine, but you know, i really, really don't like that it happened today, exactly today on the anniversary of the maidan, well, we have everyone gathered on the air, so, that's enough grown boys, we remember all the horrors of the soviet system and

we remember this soviet tradition, to do something there before the big holidays. perform some feats, fly into space there, i don’t know , cut 1,000 tons of coal there by the anniversary of october and so on, and here on one day, on the anniversary of the maidan, when a bunch of guests came to us, when the topic of ukrainian corruption was raised again in the last six months, and this is a slightly different discussion, the ukrainian authorities say, oh , look, one, two, three, we are working, i just know a little bit how right-wing organizations work and you know, well, that’s how it is the coincidence is very strange that in one day we have three procedural actions against people's deputies, that is, once again, i, like my colleague kucherenko, am neither a lawyer nor a supporter, i don't even really know these, our colleagues, because i am still far away i don't know everyone by ear, but it looks strange

secondly, what the colleague says that they gave there. you see, it's not like that, probably like it was there, i don't know, 5, 10, or 15 years ago , when the mayor came from some overcrowded town, walked around kyiv, to the ministries, gave money to have repairs done, here everyone wants to conclude a contract with a specific contractor who can be controlled, and now there are already a lot of questions about this so-called recovery agency, there are already journalistic investigations, because in our country journalists are still a more active and operational source of such information, bigus did a good amount of digging in the kyiv region, so these are not unfortunate deputies who came to ask for their university there or for something else, it is most likely just a desire to sign a contract with a specific contractor for a certain amount, and that's it you can do something with a contract, and the last thing